I would agree from past actions from them.  Some random person emailing them is not going to get the options a  big investor does when they show up with 6 figure backing.   So even if they say they only sell cloudmininng only bitfury in email.... show up with big backing in a real meeting in past you can buy miners.  A email does not equal much compared to past history.

And its getting away from the question I had which is what SP does with their gear.  I think the SP50 is beat by bitfury from info so far, and it could be wrong.   But if they only planned to sell to big customers and are beat before it's out... what do they do?  Release for cheaper? Forget it and lose R/D money?  My hope is they sell some home/hobby gear.  But I doubt that happens.

And they can pay them self's from a company and say they are working on it.  Keep going till they are empty on cash and close.   Maybe a few get lawsuits (even if you do it's no guarentee you get paid).

The only winners in this is the ones that scammed people.  No one should be buying them at this point.  And really no one should have bought at all.  People need to realize rendering does not mean there is a miner.

That is only "positive" ending story we have seen.  I still wonder about it to.  I think the cloud is a way they pretty much can guarentee they win and you lose. 

And with cloud they can either fake minning and send payments with no miners ever up, or use other miners that actually exist.  As most of hashcoins is eiter a ares where they split chips and are still selling way to high on price (One of the companies that split chips sold them at fair prices and no longer sell it).   And on their BTC miners they show as current it is just rendering... so not good.

If you want cloud mining go hashnest is the short version.

Thanks and yea on this one you will want to be a US buyer.  The 3 together are heavy and add packing to a box that can hold all 3.  It is expensive.

But I have best offer turned on.   If you ever wanted Avalon 4.1's throw in offer.   They are the most quiet full size miner I ever have had. If you are a dorm miner or mining in a room these are still one of the best options as far as sound.  So if you have access to cheap/free electricity might be worth a look.


And the ebay auction is for a set of 3.... so you get the full suite of 3 Avalon 4.1's. 

I keep hoping we will see a rise in bitcoin prices.  It would be great if we do.   But hard to say what will happen.  I think a lot of BTC will be mined and go straight to fiat to pay for this extra hashing that we now have.

If these big operations do trade daily to fiat... that is a lot of push downwards on value at least I see it that way.

Worst idea ever if you are being serious.  It could be considered a unauthorized device and they WILL notice the heat and sound.  And when they do ... you lose miner and hard to say consequences.  When you say school what level do you mean? High School? College?

So I hope it was a bad joke.   But I'm afraid your serious.  

The thing to consider to is we are gaining during a Chinese holiday.  I was not expecting that.  I thought during holiday we might get a little bit of a slow down.

I see two possibilities either people worked through it which is possible, but not very likely.  Or possibly some operations put in a lot knowing there was a holiday.   I hope it's the second one and they planned extra hash for holiday,  and maybe after it will slow down on next difficulty. 

Or we have a new scary high bar on difficulty changes.  One would think close to 20 is not sustainable.   I don't know what to think on some of it.

Very cool learning about other operations in different countries is something I really enjoy anymore.  It's neat to see it in so many different countries and so many different environments.

It sounds like you will have a heck of a operation with that low of electricity.   Thanks for sharing!

Closing as it has been sold/shipped.

Probley the lowest price your going to get a 4.1 at.   I have been condensing miners. Just lowered the price of a set of 3. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Avalon-4-1-x3-Kit-Each-1-25-TH-s-3-75-TH-s-Bitcoin-Miner-Faster-Than-S5-/322001366064?

How does it work when OP admits to selling though?   It is a interesting thread as I don't think I've seen one say they sold account and need to recovery most seem to hide selling.

Even though he admits to selling and buyer forgot password.  Sounds like buyer would be one needing to prove ownership.  This is one of reasons I tell people not to buy/sell accounts.  This sounds like buyers needs to prove ownership and seller would have no rights after selling.

If you bring enough capital... they do sell .  You can see in past big operations they sold to:  But look at like this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1167388.0

Were talking about a lot of money, and NDA's.  I think you talk to them with substantial capital selling can happen, at least it has in past. But just emailing them for buying no you will not get far at all.

In past they have but you have to have substantial order.  Home/hobby miners  are not their customers.   But look at like this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1167388.0  .  They also sold Bit-X 1 PH long ago - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896350.0

In past they have sold to big commercial operations.  So not sure where you got info they don't sell at all.  SP I see as going for same customers as the SP50 was geared twords big operations.  But again still lots of questions few answers.

It did official sell everything went through on sell now I am shipping it.  So I'm closing topic.

Sure you can define one liner posts.  Something such as "Great Post", "I agree!", "+1", etc.  Those are crap one liners... you don't see them near as much anymore as they lead to a ban.  But look at posts people have posted as little as "+1" saying they agree, and it really does nothing for thread.  It just is clutter.

Spam is based on content not the size.  I can think of fixing problems on hardware one line of anwser might fix some problems.  It's helpful, fixed a problem, and less then 4 sentances.  So 4 line rule is not 100 percent.

If you really want to look at "spam" go over to the off-topic board.   I avoid it as it's full of it.  Things like last song you listened to, last thing you ate, last thing you drank.   Off-topic is where you will find a ton a crap posts (and yes there are some good).  But there is a lot of spam in that board, which is why good signature campaigns don't even pay for Off-Topic.

But you pay so much it is hard to get that initial cost.  I paid 25 per compac on batch 1 and 2 I think it was plus shipping I believe.  Chances of them mining that back  (or the amount of btc I spent on them) very slim.  It's a compac... it's made by GekkoScience  

A lot of old usb miners go for more then they are worth in mining terms.  There are some who learn with them, some who collect, and some who lotto mine.  I think unless you lotto mined and got really lucky you will never get that cost back on it unless you sold it.

They are great and I love playing with them but I just don't see profit even at free electricity.  And I'm not dogging them I love my compacs, I just knew I was going to lotto mine them as regular mining would not pay for them, so might aswell have some fun and they are very low cost to run.  A S1 and a usb compac are like apples and oranges as far as miners comparing.

That is if they launch now or beat bitfury by a significant amount of time.  Since bitfury has shown demo of chip, and SP has not had anything but rendering publicly I'm not guessing this will happen.

I just see the big operations going to most efficiency with the "big money".   NDA's make it kinda hard to know progress as most are secret on a lot.  But if Bitfury beats SP to launch and has a better efficiency... I don't think it will be competitive.

And that is pure speculation.  We have no idea on SP process on how far they are with chip.  

Depends on your electricity price.  S7 is necessary for some operating conditions where electricity is higher.  In others S5's are great still.

So it's pretty individualized.  I would not say it served no purpose as I think it's efficiency did serve one but it is perhaps did the most for those with higher electricity prices.  As that is where it is harder and harder to mine.

It did run a access point very easy.  I think that was what mine was set to, it had a network cable going into it and put out a wifi signal. So in a way you could extend your network putting it at end.

But does it compare with my Nighthawk X4 WiFi for example...  no it does not.  So all depends on your use.

.03 cent's I think is on the low side for most.  But it's hard to say what most commercial operations are getting.   Were talking about a industry where most are privately owned so they don't really put out data.  They are also all over the world so it's not like one size fit's all.

How do you know most big farms don't have access to such cheap electricity? I have not found anything that really publishes their price on huge commercial operations.