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23161  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin's intrinsic value on: December 13, 2013, 09:00:35 AM

So, bitcoin will always command a high exchange rate, maybe not because of its great functionality, just because there are so many fiat money out there and so little coins on the market

Yes, and the fiat money is constantly depreciating at that. Functionality of bitcoin provides its usefulness beyond pure speculation and wouldn't let its price fall below some level of support (unlike tulips). It can be a bubble or in a bubble, but surely it is not a pyramid or Ponzi scheme...
23162  Economy / Services / Re: Earn up to 0.4BTC/month just by posting! on: December 13, 2013, 08:51:21 AM
yes if you have no payment then you can take 2 months together I also read here one person take 2 months payment Stunna has no problem with this

Yup, If you don't have 50 posts by Dec 17, I will note your post count and add it onto January payout.



stunna I dont get this, do we have to keeo you updated with post count here or on pm daily?

You should PM him on the judgment payment day (the 17th) with your net count of posts that you submitted during the month period (total count minus posts that you consider as non-constructive)...
23163  Local / Новости / Re: Швейцария может приравнять биткоин к закl on: December 13, 2013, 08:46:42 AM
А я за то, что бы легализация Биткоина оставалась в подвешанном состоянии. Не разрешена и не запрещена. Разрешение подразумевает регулирование, а это далеко не свободные рамки использования. Это конечно способствует продвижение идеи в массы, но в тоже время противоречит свободе биткоина (пока потенциально).

"Не можешь победить, переходи на сторону победителя и возглавляй это движение".

Все идет к централизации...

Это палка о двух концах. Пока Биткоин остаётся в подвешенном состоянии, следует ожидать самых разных подвохов со стороны, например, налоговых органов. По сути, каждая налоговая может по своему трактовать доходы, полученные от его продажи (если их засветить, конечно). Например, как доходы от продажи имущества, доходы полученные в виде курсовых разниц (самый лучший вариант, на мой взгляд), доходы от выигрышей и призов и т.д. И, думаю, на этом их фантазия может не ограничиться...
23164  Other / Off-topic / Re: Lose vs Loose on: December 13, 2013, 08:40:26 AM

Well, to be fair, google translate (for example) does do a good job at it. Still, I'm not sure it adds much to the thread to bring Spanish into a discussion about how many people either don't know how to spell, or are using different rules.  Tongue

Many people on this forum are not native English speakers. They may not use the language perfectly but at least they try. There are also many children here that don't attempt to use perfect written communication. They are at a disadvantage because they were schooled in the USA.

Children?! I don't remember exactly, but isn't this forum 18+ or so?

23165  Local / Трейдеры / Re: BTC-Trade.ru - обменный сервис биткоинов on: December 13, 2013, 08:33:16 AM
Сегодня в течение дня.

деньги поступили, спасибо
работаю теперь с вами

Это всё, как правило, очень сильно от принимающего банка зависит (ТКС в этом плане один из лучших). Русский Стандарт, например, всегда межбанк только на следующий день ближе к послеобеду зачисляет, про Спёрбанк я уже вообще боюсь заикаться, хотя не думаю, что здесь его основные клиенты собрались...
23166  Local / Новички / Re: Новичкам сюда! - FAQ on: December 13, 2013, 08:29:37 AM
Я правильно понимаю, что личные сообщения тоже только через 4часа/5постов писать можно?

Не проверял, но очевидный ответ, что да, поскольку думаю, спам в личных сообщениях дело более серьёзное, чем спам в просто на форуме...
23167  Local / Новости / Re: Зеттафлоп — не предел для мощности в майни on: December 13, 2013, 08:21:36 AM
Понимаю, что вы копипастите и переводите, но хоть минимальной фильтрацией бреда бы себя утруждали, что ли...
Причём за последний месяц это уже не помню какое сравнение асиков с флопами. И всем пофиг на каменты.

Да причем тут асики... Сама по себе идея думать о каких-то флопсах в системе, построенной на целочисленной арифметике - это тот еще бредок. Cheesy

Да ладно вам цепляться-то. Как-будто у тех "флопсов" нет целочисленной арифметики или её производительность будет как-то сильно лучше (хуже) производительности в флопсах. Вы лучше на мой конкретный вопрос ответьте, если здесь все такие крутые знатоки собрались...
23168  Local / Трейдеры / Re: BTC-Trade.ru - обменный сервис биткоинов on: December 12, 2013, 09:43:52 PM
Биток просел и резервы наполнились на полную  Grin ни кто не сливает однако  Wink

Большинство уже успело слиться по 1100-1200 долларов, пора закупаться однако...
23169  Local / Новички / Re: Новичкам сюда! - FAQ on: December 12, 2013, 08:55:46 PM
Сколько должно пройти времени, чтобы писать на сайте?


Если мне не изменяет память, то необходимо в общей сложности быть залогиненным четыре часа...
Сейчас сам себя проверил, оказалось, что память меня не подвела

23170  Economy / Economics / Re: It's a bubble! on: December 12, 2013, 08:43:24 PM
Trying to raise bitcoin price? Smiley

If there are guys that come here to beat bid it down, why not bid it up?
23171  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: CoinAd.com, a Paid-To-Click that pays you in Bitcoins! on: December 12, 2013, 08:14:50 PM
  • Changed entire site to mBTC
  • Fixed referrals commissions problem
  • Advertise price is now based on current BTC price
  • Added a new feature to advertisers (bulk discount)

I don't understand new prices. It seems that they have fallen even lower (in dollar terms)...
23172  Local / Новости / Re: Зеттафлоп — не предел для мощности в майни on: December 12, 2013, 08:05:59 PM
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Производительность вычислительной мощности всей сети, задействуемой для майнинга Биткоин, скорее всего уже в 2014 году преодолеет отметку в один зеттафлопс.

http://coinspot.ru/news/zettaflop-ne-predel-dlya-moshhnosti-v-majninge/

Мне вот интересно, за какой срок первая десятка из top500.org намайнила бы оставшиеся биткоины, если бы сложность осталась неизменной на текущем уровне? Или, как вариант, на какой уровень сложности эта же десятка могла бы загнать биткоин с текущего уровня?
23173  Other / Off-topic / Re: Lose vs Loose on: December 12, 2013, 08:02:57 PM
I find hardly anyone can ever correctly spell 'definitly'... wait... definately... definetely... defiantly... fuck!




Easy to remember - "finite"
23174  Economy / Economics / Re: Can Bitcoin replace the dollar? on: December 12, 2013, 07:53:45 PM
I'm gonna say no because the Dollar has uses Bitcoin can't accomplish.  Such as fast transaction from person to person in an instant, not however long the blockchain takes.  But over long distances Bitcoin steals the show IMO.

This is not an inherent property of dollar, it is made possible by a payment system. Actual processing of payments can take up to a month (if we are talking about MasterCard or Visa), if I'm not mistaken. I think this can be done for Bitcoin as well if such a need would arise (it will if Bitcoin persists). If you transfer funds from one wallet to another in Coinbase, the transaction is instant too (even from one account to another)...
23175  Local / Майнеры / Re: Вывод с 50btc on: December 12, 2013, 07:46:35 PM
Проснулся я недавно утром и прочёл на хабре, что курс коина значительно вырос (аж до 1к$) и пошёл гуглить пулы и первым или вторым мне попался 50btc, где хром предложил мне мои логин и пароль (я уж и забыл где я майнил 100 лет назад).

Если это немного утешит, то здесь недавно была новость про мужика из Ньюпорта, который в 2009 году намайнил 7500 биткоинов, а потом благополучно забыл про них и выкинул жёсткий диск с кошельком на городскую свалку (народ предлагал скинуться и выкупить свалку)...
23176  Economy / Economics / Re: "Backing" - what does this actually MEAN? on: December 12, 2013, 07:07:47 PM
The perennial accusation against Bitcoin is that it's 'not backed by anything'. Fiat money is backed by the government, and I would say that Bitcoin is backed by cryptography. But that's only because I've formed an 'implicit definition' of that word - I hear how other people use it.

But is there an explicit definition, and if so what is it? If I think that X is a good thing because "X is backed by Y", what am I actually saying?

I don't use any specific definition for this, but the correct answer to your question can be logically derived from the subjective theory of value. Bitcoin (or anything for that matter) is backed up by its properties that are useful in achieving an individual's personal ends (even if it is pure speculation). So when you say that X is backed by Y, it usually means that people either find Y directly useful (positive feedback as in security of Bitcoin) or the possession of X is useful for preventing some undesirable effect from Y (negative feedback as in taxes)...

This is an ad hoc explanation, but its logic is correct nevertheless
23177  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The propaganda of artificial intelligence on: December 12, 2013, 05:46:29 PM
It's probably easier to just say that the only evidence we have that consciousness exists at all is our own personal experience. Where's the evidence that it does belong in the material world?

In my opinion, the most convincing evidence is that we can change the material world in a conscious way. This actually leaves us with only two options, i.e. the material world and consciousness within it (though not yet explained), and no material (objective) world at all but only consciousness. The latter option brings about the train of logical paradoxes I raised in my previous post (possibility of only one sample of consciousness and the like)...
23178  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The propaganda of artificial intelligence on: December 12, 2013, 05:17:59 PM
Do you know about quantum physic experiments ?
Most people ignore it. Some reject it. Only few can actually understand it because it imply accepting the idea that time and space is an illusion.
Oh, these buzzwords, how I like them... Could you explain us in layman's terms the results these quantum physic experiments led to? If time and space is an illusion, what is not illusion then? Well, I can probably guess the answer you are going to submit...

Yes and it doesn't matter what answer I am going to submit.
There is one rule about consciousness : you cannot make something that you believe is impossible.

It is very comfortable and reassuring to believe things you see with your eyes exist and the world as it is has always been the same and will always be.
Sounds like a dream, no ?

So there is only one sample of consciousness "existing", and it is mine/me, lol. Do you guys agree?
Oh, wait... What about those quantum mechanic experiments, did they actually conduct them and how then would I know? Still makes no sense...
23179  Economy / Economics / Re: EU nations agree rules on bank bailouts - replay of Cyprus bank crisis on: December 12, 2013, 05:11:18 PM
Extreme moves could couse extreme response from masses. It could couse massive protest that can go out of control. They will make such a move only if they would want to start it. And for what? Hard to say what is on minds of the richest people that rulles this planet.

I would disagree partially. I have seen how easy it is for the government to manipulate the media. The government can turn the public opinion against Bitcoiners, by running media campaigns accusing Bitcoiners of tolerating CP, human trafficking.etc. They can camouflage their campaign against BTC by claiming that it is a campaign against these evils.

What's worrying me is that our population is quite low. Might be less than 100,000. 99% of the rest don't know what a BTC is.

If so, then government shouldn't care, neither the rest of population. It would likely cost them more than they could possibly get by...
23180  Economy / Economics / Re: EU nations agree rules on bank bailouts - replay of Cyprus bank crisis on: December 12, 2013, 05:05:19 PM
I wouldn't hope for this. Remember bullion gold and gold coins confiscated after/during the Great Depression in the USA?

Quite possible.

This is way it can be kind of smart to move some of your national fiats into Bitcoin or another altcoins. Couse they can not check how many you have on your wallet addresses.

The bankers might be greedy, but for sure they are no idiots. If they can't seize your bitcoins, then they will make the possession of the same a criminal offense (talking about an extreme scenario).

Nevertheless, bitcoins are easier to hide&hold than gold, so we might actually have a chance to survive and save the wealth. If they would actually try to do something evil to bitcoin and its owners, we could expect many new cryptocurrencies to spring up with stronger anonymity and security features...
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