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2321  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: March 07, 2015, 11:24:38 AM
So I tried the Trezor with the Electrum 2.0 wallet today and it worked like a charm. Glad to see another wallet service that has implemented the Trezor successfully. I'd like to see if you guys could make any progress with getting Mycelium or Wallet32 to implement it next Cheesy

you should probably ask mycelium and wallet32 devs.
2322  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: March 06, 2015, 09:01:05 PM
What's the difference between Apple Pay and Samsung Pay?

http://goo.gl/nejcBn

Ich versteh das schon richtig, oder: beide sind eigentlich Kreditkarten, bloss wurde der Magnetstreifen durch ein Smartphone ersetzt?

EDIT: Und: die ham 'ne Zeile vergessen:

"underlying value carrier":

credit, credit, credit, credit, real money
2323  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: March 06, 2015, 08:31:19 PM
chinesisches Dreieck (log scale)

2324  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] LocalBitcoins.com - a location-based bitcoin to cash marketplace on: March 06, 2015, 05:38:18 PM
.. if you ask me, i prefer mycelium.
...
DITO

Me too... No stupid bank wire offerings. Market still very small in my area, though
2325  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2015, 09:58:18 PM
Someone is putting up ask walls to protect their shorts on finex....

got cold feet
2326  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2015, 09:47:24 PM
I don't think it's likely, but if this has enough inertia to propel us beyond $320, there's more to come...
2327  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AUR] Auroracoin - a cryptocurrency for Iceland on: March 05, 2015, 05:07:19 PM
Airdrop coins in circulation, 50% Smiley

Can you be more specific as to what exactly you are saying?
2328  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 05, 2015, 06:50:43 AM
Seriously guys, you think that $5k by 2016 Is possible?

If nothing bad happens to bitcoin in the meantime it's quite possible.
2329  Local / Treffen / Re: Hamburg Bitcoin-Treffen, 1. Mittwoch im Monat, 19:00 im SternChance on: March 04, 2015, 10:48:48 PM
up, take bitcoins with you, have a domain to sell Smiley

and instead you sold some bits, hehe.

2330  Local / Off-Topic (Deutsch) / Re: GMX Accounts können gehackt werden? on: March 04, 2015, 09:26:33 PM
theverge story: Anatomy of a Hack

and how did it start?

How did Eve get in? We can’t say for sure, but it’s likely that she used a script to target a weakness in Mail.com’s password reset page. We know such a script existed. For months, users on the site Hackforum had been selling access to a script that reset specific account passwords on Mail.com. It was an old exploit by the time Davis was targeted, and the going rate was $5 per account. It’s unclear how the exploit worked and whether it has been closed in the months since, but it did exactly what Eve needed. Without any authentication, she was able to reset Davis’ password to a string of characters that only she knew.

aha!

Mail.com gehört doch wie GMX und web.de auch zu 1&1, dazu noch ne menge anderer Dienste.
Wie ist es bei denen?

antwort siehe oben
2331  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: March 04, 2015, 08:37:54 AM
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you don't own bitcoins if you own such an ETF

True, but if people prefer to own ETFs rather than own Bitcoins then that is a fault of Bitcoin, not of the users. The technology isn't meeting the needs of the target market.

True. In Case we fail at Making bitcoin accessible enough there is danger of monetary inflation through the backdoor through these vehicles (ETF etc). One of the main selling points would be invalidated (capped supply)... In fact the main selling point for me.
2332  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: March 04, 2015, 06:29:22 AM
ETFs are evil and a tool of the Corpo-fascists to destroy the true value of commodities. Case in point. Look at what they have done to precious metals. They trade paper representations of the same ounce of gold over and over again causing hundreds, if not thousands of people to own the same ounce. They use Kabuki Theater and rehypothecate precious metals to perpetrate the scam. Eventually it will fail and people who thought that they could get actual metal for their paper will be paid in fiat that will be worthless.  No one reads the fine print in the SLV nor GLD ETFs. They tell you as much. You get fiat at their discretion. You do not own a damn thing except shit paper.

When this comes to BTC you will be fed bullshit encouraging you to invest in these ETFs. Short-term, yes there will be an euphoric windfall compared to fiat, but if you dance with the devil you will end up losing your BTC and selling your soul.

Look at your BTC as physical PMs. It is not yours unless you have it in your possession.

That's a knock against precious metals themselves - they are not good enough to stand up against ETFs because no one has any use for them. The hassle of delivery and storage combined with the lack of any practical use of the metal itself to its owner (can't spend it as money directly anywhere, aren't going to make a spoon out of it). If this wasn't true then more people would be holding precous metals themselves instead of buying ETF shares in them.

Too bad the discussion veered off on a rather boring tangent in a very emotional way after the above 2 posts.

I think it's a very valid discussion and I'm thinking about this myself a lot: loads of people will buy the silbert or later maybe the winklevii shares and they will brag to their friends how they own bitcoin now. At first it will probably work out and they will participate in BTC appreciation through the shares they own.

coinits is right, though: you don't own bitcoins if you own such an ETF. Afaik there isn't even a way described to take delivery unless you are a primary dealer or whatever. It's easily imaginable that the trading volume of such vehicles might greatly exceed the volume on the 'real markets' and then we'll have a 'tail wags the dog' situation.

shields answer is promising at first sight: bitcoin isn't gold. It's easy to transact and store, so it's going to be easier for bitcoin to stand up to the ETFs.

I fear the answer is a bit weak, though: the primary use case of bitcoin currently is speculation. This use case is covered by he ETF just fine. I don't see ETF share owners taking delivery on their bitcoins (it's not encouraged or probably even possible, there might even be fine print saying they can be payed out in fiat). In addition: if they were planning to own bitcoins in the first place, why did they buy the shares and not coins, then.

To people who are saying: "but a share is always backed by 0.1 real Bitcoins in custody of the ETF handlers" we can only answer: that's a solution that requires trust in a centralized entity.

I fear these ETFs might turn out to be a slippery slope and might turn out to be misused to control bitcoin price. Hello naked shorting.

Yes: the utility of bitcoin can potentially stand up to such an attack, but only if bitcoin enjoys widespread actual use.

thoughts?
2333  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: March 02, 2015, 09:19:16 PM
Die folgende downtrendlinie (am 27.2 bestätigt) ist durchbrochen... jetzt support?



ob das hält?


Im Wochenchart wurde die Downtrendlinie auch klar durchbrochen. Es lässt sich jetzt keine neue Downtrendilnie mehr finden. So ein Mist, was heißt das jetzt? Liegt der Erwartungswert der Kursentwicklung jetzt bei + Unendlich?  Grin

Na gut, in der logarithmischen Ansicht sind wir noch weit von einem Durchbruch entfernt:



Meine Ansicht ist auch logarithmisch.

Meine Linie ist viel steiler als Deine, fängt am 13. November 2014 bei $475 an.
2334  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: March 02, 2015, 08:31:49 AM
A long way back is fine  by me. Thanks for excellent analysis, masterluc. I highly doubted your call of > 1 year bear trend back at the ATH. Now that it is confirmed, I am very impressed.


2335  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: March 02, 2015, 08:22:19 AM
Würde sagen die Zeichen stehen nun auf grün und uns erwartet wahrscheinlich eine Frühlingsrally, verdient hätten wir es, daraf haben die Bitcoiner jetzt schliesslich lange genug warten müssen Wink

Man muss erst durch's tiefe dunkle Tal gegen um ans Licht zu kommen.
2336  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: March 02, 2015, 06:33:59 AM
Die folgende downtrendlinie (am 27.2 bestätigt) ist durchbrochen... jetzt support?



ob das hält?
2337  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: March 01, 2015, 09:54:31 PM
ich glaube auf bitfinex ist der liquidation-bot gerade schwer am ackern.
2338  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: March 01, 2015, 09:52:14 PM
Falls hier noch jemand auf den Kurs schaut... gerade lohnt es sich...

allerdings Wink

EDIT: irgendwelche news? vielleicht die eben genannte?
2339  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: March 01, 2015, 09:51:13 PM

könntest du nächstes mal bitte wenigsten die headline copy-pasten?

"Bitcoin Investment Trust Gets Finra’s OK to Become Public Bitcoin Fund"
2340  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2015, 09:49:58 PM
wtf.

that was unusually explosive, no?
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