the admin of the site seems rather hostile and is trying to rip both me and dooglus off, demanding a lower bounty for the deal, i am entertaining offers in this thread or through pm regarding this. a percentage of this will be paid to dooglus for his help in confirming this issue.
kind of like blackmail? they don't pay up so you sell the exploit? "heres my price take it or leave it lolol fk off" is basically the tone im getting from this guy. he seems rather hostile, which is dissuading me from helping his site out, which i believe the price I asked for for two very serious bugs was completely reasonable. how large is this site? How much is the max win? im not heartless; im not going to give any details as to what the site is. |
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What if they found about it and got fixed it ASAP then the method will become pointless/useless this may cause a problem in your part Subtrata.
thats true, but judging from his hostility the admin is hes scrambling to find it and panicking. ive already offered just 1 BTC to give the details of the bug allowing for +EV bets, and another .5 BTC for a more serious bug found by dooglus. the implications of the second bug will not be disclosed for obvious reasons, but given the severity of these bugs, id think the price offered was completely reasonable. im fine with accepting the offer given, but that's not up to me; dooglus holds the details regarding the second bug ad i believe he has gone to sleep for the time being. until then, this is up for grabs. if dooglus is fine with accepting the proposed deal, so am i, but after this, i really have a negative impression of the site's admin in regards to professionalism and trust. until dooglus gives me word that he is fine with this, its up for discussion, but either way, i will be giving dooglus a percentage share of the bounty for his immense help with this issue. |
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1106133this thread has become a noticeable topic in the gambling section in the past day or so, and that these +EV bets are possible has been confirmed by dooglus. asking 1 BTC to start and this will only be given to a couple of people. escrow accepted for this deal, and confirmation/calculations that these bets are +EV can be given.
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the admin of the site seems rather hostile and is trying to rip both me and dooglus off, demanding a lower bounty for the deal, i am entertaining offers in this thread or through pm regarding this. a percentage of this will be paid to dooglus for his help in confirming this issue.
kind of like blackmail? they don't pay up so you sell the exploit? "heres my price take it or leave it lolol fk off" is basically the tone im getting from this guy. he seems rather hostile, which is dissuading me from helping his site out, which i believe the price I asked for for two very serious bugs was completely reasonable. |
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the admin of the site seems rather hostile and is trying to rip both me and dooglus off, demanding a lower bounty for the deal, i am entertaining offers in this thread or through pm regarding this. a percentage of this will be paid to dooglus for his help in confirming this issue.
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2000th roll bonus went to Player-X. Nxt bonus on 2500th roll.
What was the bonus? I can't see  It's a pity I don't really know to play this game the bonus was 0.005 BTC i believe, if i remember what I saw in chat correctly. There is a video on the site (how to play) that will give you a run down on what to do. dont get addicted like me though, ive won a fair bit from the site but damn its so fun to play i dont know why. |
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Congratulations! Seriously. As all the detractors pointed out, this is tough to find and you would think site operators would be more careful.
I liked the way you handled it and it was nice of dooglus to both vouch for it as well as lay out how often minor oversights like rounding can easily lead to a positive expected value situation for the player.
Good Luck!
thanks, rather than draining the entire site's bankroll, im deciding to take the moral route for now, unless an offer for 5 BTC shows up in my inbox within the next hour  dooglus also pointed out something; in the case the site decides not to pay me or such, there are plenty of pm's between me and dooglus proving the existence of this exploit, and if they choose not to pay, i doubt the site would ever be trusted if that evidence were ever to be posted in this thread. ill be contacting the site's admins in a few hours when i am at a better location (home) unless something comes up. locking until further news to prevent "omg tell me" spam. |
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that wasnt the intention at the very beginning, but it is now. I've said it multiple times before in the thread, I will be contacting the site after dooglus's confirmation.
I just confirmed that the site in question does offer +EV bets for the player. In the worst case the edge is 30% for the player. I fully expect the site to fix this when subSTRATA tells them about it. And to give him a huge bounty. 30 % house edge for player is no joke at all, I wonder why only substrata notice this if there is 30 % house edge for players, all players playing there should have notice this as well. Is the details for this +EV strategy will be release later after the site fix it? I am curious to know how substrata notice this as well this info will be released after the issue is fixed, pm's are still going on with dooglus regarding this. as for how i noticed it, you just have to use your head, all i can say. |
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that wasnt the intention at the very beginning, but it is now. I've said it multiple times before in the thread, I will be contacting the site after dooglus's confirmation.
I just confirmed that the site in question does offer +EV bets for the player. In the worst case the edge is 30% for the player. I fully expect the site to fix this when subSTRATA tells them about it. there you go. I will be contacting the site about this asap when dooglus give then green light. panic ensues as dice site owners await a pm |
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I understand some people simply don't know what that means.
But I am not one of them. There has been a misunderstanding.
From what I understand it is like reversed house edge.
So in the long run the house looses. But could you earn some serious btc with this?
potentially, yes. in theory, the math says you should be able to dump the house's bankroll because it is +EV of course, I would much rather tell the site and claim a reasonable bounty rather than sell it off to one or two people, unless those one or two people manage to offer a price high enough to buy off my morals. in addition, if the site decides to remedy this flaw, those one or two people would likely become rather angry at me, which is something id rather not have, even though it is something that I cannot be responsible for. Then contact the site directly instead of posting a thread about it? that wasnt the intention at the very beginning, but it is now. I've said it multiple times before in the thread, I will be contacting the site after dooglus's confirmation. |
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Agreed. There's high incentive in accepting bitcoin. Being a early adopter in doing so will attract a new audience.
it can attract a new audience, but it can also potentially drive away some people as well; people fear what they dont know, and some people ignorant of bitcoin could be driven away, only knowing that bitcoin was used to "buy drugs and hookers" on silk road. |
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I understand some people simply don't know what that means.
But I am not one of them. There has been a misunderstanding.
From what I understand it is like reversed house edge.
So in the long run the house looses. But could you earn some serious btc with this?
potentially, yes. in theory, the math says you should be able to dump the house's bankroll because it is +EV of course, I would much rather tell the site and claim a reasonable bounty rather than sell it off to one or two people, unless those one or two people manage to offer a price high enough to buy off my morals. in addition, if the site decides to remedy this flaw, those one or two people would likely become rather angry at me, which is something id rather not have, even though it is something that I cannot be responsible for. |
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Anybody care to elaborate on the 'hufflepuff' story? I've been investing in BTC for around 18 months & on bitcointalk.org for nearly a year but I've only been active in the gambling section for 3-4 months.
What's the story on hufflepuff, I've seen things mentioned before but never got the full story?
heres the link to the story that was just released: https://medium.com/@Stunna/breaking-the-house-63f1021a3e6dbasically, hufflepuff found a way to cheat the provably fair system and managed to walk away with 2000+ btc from primedice. |
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I would have exploited the flaw and only after I earn some serious btc
A "flaw" in this case is not the kinda "flaw" that was used by hufflepuff that could grant you ten or hundreds of BTC instantly and ensure you will win and become rich overnight ( it seems some people are getting the wrong idea about +EV )
It is a flaw that makes you have the +EV which means that it wont make you rich overnight and also unless you have a bankroll and proper management to use this, it wont work . You could suffer some losses before profit and time is the guarantee that you will get profit if you play it well. i will also wait to hear from dooglus about this strategy how is that effective in long term gambling.
If it is truly a strategy that will give you +EV then there is no doubt in the long term you will be getting profit. To put it simpler, imagine yourself that you own a gambling sites ( that means you have +EV ) .In one night timeframe, you cant be a rich man but in the long term you will get some profit eventually +1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 people here seem to think that +EV means becoming the next hufflepuff, completely agree. people here think that "lolwhy is he selling this is he can become hufflepuff!!!! lol!!!!" there's your answer; I dont have the patience nor the resources to dedicate to this, in addition, this is gambling of all things, profit is not 100% guaranteed. |
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I am pretty sure if you sell this method and some people will give you neg feedback if your method won't be working.
Just to be clear, having +EV strategy (if it is real) doesnt mean that you will be rich overnight. It takes some times and combined with a decent bankroll and proper financial management then in a long term you could get a profit from this , considering that the "dice site" hasnt find out about this yet . The same thing as running gambling sites which has +EV and there isnt any gambling sites operator that become rich in a single nights . +EV is just some kind of "guarantee" that you will be in profit in long term though
The neutral feedback is probably just as a precautions. As I've read the previous posts, it seems like dooglus is doing what his best of regarding the so called +EV strategy. Once Dooglus clarify on this matter, Im sure Shitaifan will remove the feedback. This rating is probably due to the title, lets say I had a +EV method for a dice site, how much would you pay to know it? The word "how much would you pay" is kinda missleading if you hadnt read the whole content that Substrata is actually asking dooglus to check on it first true, might have been a miswording on my part, which may have led to some misunderstandings, just couldnt find a better word at that time. i won't change it now, since a lot has been discussed on this already; just going to wait on dooglus just as I expect a lot of others are doing as well, especially after dadice backed my claim. |
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Alright, it seems it is not bustabit/ttm. That wasnt my original guess but it is a good candidate. However it does say "dice" in the title.
Well, I would suggest that means any site that is offering some kind of Dice games. i mean, i did put "dice" in the title for a reason, I honestly dont know why bustabit/ttm was even suggested. its straight up dice, high/low. |
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I finally get the idea of this. Is this particular site is bustabit or tothemoon? Because with the bonus thing, it is easy to have a +EV for you but as always it wont work because you may crash before you cashed out. i realize that, i just find it hilarious when people say "caution!!!11111 use escrow and caution when dealing with this user!1!1" when I literally havent done anything yet.
This is what this trust system is. People can leave anything that they want and also that there is a slogan that innocent until proven guilty is not a thing here because it is guilty until proven innocent I'll let sub answer that, however it is very easy to get +EV on those 2 sites. Hell, might even be some public strategy that give you that. well i have done the whole pm exchange with dadice, their response is coming, and as a dice site owner, hopefully their input will matter. |
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I wont say the site/sites that you can do this on for the sake of Sub. The one hint I'm going to give is "stupidly low house edge".
EDIT: The hell are people leaving neutral feedback on sub for btw. He isnt doing anything wrong.
exactly, i havent done anything yet; in fact im withholding all possible info so that I can protect the site from imminent abuse. |
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Well, that is a common threat, I can tell you..... The entire trust system is useless.
i realize that, i just find it hilarious when people say "caution!!!11111 use escrow and caution when dealing with this user!1!1" when I literally havent done anything yet. In fact I've gone out of my way to request a vouch from dooglus to gain credibility for this claim that im not even 110% sure of. people are too quick to point fingers and slow to read that im not selling some sort of strategy. im going to send you a quick pm by the way. NOTHING TO DO WITH DADICE'S SITE LETS NOT START ANOTHER WITCH HUNT |
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I don't like the sound of this, seems like foul play to me. Like dooglus said I definitely think you should inform the site first before you start trying to sell it to people on here. The site will have a lot to lose if this is genuine so they're likely to offer a lot more as they'll see it as some kind of bounty. I guess they'd pay handsomely for you to keep quiet about it so it gives them chance to fix or remove it.
Please don't be vindictive & attempt to ruin whatever site it is.
i will likely be informing the site with dooglus' confirmation, people here are way too skeptical and angry, more so angry. I'm more skeptical, I'm about as laid back a person as you'll ever meet so I'm certainly not angry. Apologies if I offended you, I didn't mean to. I was just saying the site will probably shit themselves if this is true & they'll pay you not to reveal it to anybody else  Have you used it to make money on their site yourself  the comment wasn't directed at you, but people are starting to be antagonizing/insulting towards me just yelling "no its impossible 100% your lying haha no martingale is -EV lolololol" and stuff like that. It depends on the type of +EV method you are selling but most likely it is not worth to pay for it.
If it is about abusing bonuses, then it is illegal and not worth to pay for it.
If it is some loophole on a dice site, you would have exploited it to earn lots of btc. Why would you share with us?
because its gambling, and no one said anything about abusing bonuses, in fact i already stated it doesnt involve any of this. its just something I see to get an edge, and im not risking all my money just for an edge. people are failing to understand that this is gambling, and im not selling any sort of "LOL FREE MONEY LOOK LOOK!!!" or BS like that. people are actually starting to leave neutral feedback in negative context regarding this issue. people are still failing to understand that this isnt some martingale or labouchere or whatever positive progression strategy, its just getting an edge. |
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