crypto-games.net, 30% house edge, bugs and vulnerabilities, screw the investors!

[fox19891989]

I wont say the site/sites that you can do this on for the sake of Sub. The one hint I'm going to give is "stupidly low house edge".
EDIT: The hell are people leaving neutral feedback on sub for btw. He isnt doing anything wrong.

exactly, i havent done anything yet; in fact im withholding all possible info so that I can protect the site from imminent abuse.

lmao, I am very hilarious to see your new trust!!!@ "claims to have a +EV strategy he wants to sell for a certain casino he's not going to name. no proof yet, be very cautious dealing with this one, guys!"

  Although it is a neutral one, it still funny cos you didn't sell anything, lmao. I am pretty sure if you sell this method and some people will give you neg feedback if your method won't be working.

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[arallmuus]

I am pretty sure if you sell this method and some people will give you neg feedback if your method won't be working.

Just to be clear, having +EV strategy (if it is real) doesnt mean that you will be rich overnight. It takes some times and combined with a decent bankroll and proper financial management then in a long term you could get a profit from this , considering that the "dice site" hasnt find out about this yet .
The same thing as running gambling sites which has +EV and there isnt any gambling sites operator that become rich in a single nights . +EV is just some kind of "guarantee" that you will be in profit in long term though



The neutral feedback is probably just as a precautions. As I've read the previous posts, it seems like dooglus is doing what his best of regarding the so called +EV strategy. Once Dooglus clarify on this matter, Im sure Shitaifan will remove the feedback.

This rating is probably due to the title,

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lets say I had a +EV method for a dice site, how much would you pay to know it?

The word "how much would you pay" is kinda missleading if you hadnt read the whole content that Substrata is actually asking dooglus to check on it first

[subSTRATA]

I am pretty sure if you sell this method and some people will give you neg feedback if your method won't be working.

Just to be clear, having +EV strategy (if it is real) doesnt mean that you will be rich overnight. It takes some times and combined with a decent bankroll and proper financial management then in a long term you could get a profit from this , considering that the "dice site" hasnt find out about this yet .
The same thing as running gambling sites which has +EV and there isnt any gambling sites operator that become rich in a single nights . +EV is just some kind of "guarantee" that you will be in profit in long term though



The neutral feedback is probably just as a precautions. As I've read the previous posts, it seems like dooglus is doing what his best of regarding the so called +EV strategy. Once Dooglus clarify on this matter, Im sure Shitaifan will remove the feedback.

This rating is probably due to the title,

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lets say I had a +EV method for a dice site, how much would you pay to know it?

The word "how much would you pay" is kinda missleading if you hadnt read the whole content that Substrata is actually asking dooglus to check on it first

true, might have been a miswording on my part, which may have led to some misunderstandings, just couldnt find a better word at that time. i won't change it now, since a lot has been discussed on this already; just going to wait on dooglus just as I expect a lot of others are doing as well, especially after dadice backed my claim.

[tsoPANos]

If I were you op, I would have exploited the flaw and only after I earn some serious btc I would have created that thread. And I didn't.

[trafficolaa]

So it seems there is some kind of bug at a dice site which makes you +EV as i understand from the dooglus words, i will also wait to hear from dooglus about this strategy how is that effective in long term gambling.

[DebitMe]

I am interested to see what the O.P. has found.  If it's not an error with the site or a hack I am interested.  Keep us updated OP when your ready to release what you found.

[arallmuus]

I would have exploited the flaw and only after I earn some serious btc

A "flaw" in this case is not the kinda "flaw" that was used by hufflepuff that could grant you ten or hundreds of BTC instantly and ensure you will win and become rich overnight ( it seems some people are getting the wrong idea about +EV )

It is a flaw that makes you have the +EV which means that it wont make you rich overnight and also unless you have a bankroll and proper management to use this, it wont work . You could suffer some losses before profit and time is the guarantee that you will get profit if you play it well.

i will also wait to hear from dooglus about this strategy how is that effective in long term gambling.

If it is truly a strategy that will give you +EV then there is no doubt in the long term you will be getting profit. To put it simpler, imagine yourself that you own a gambling sites ( that means you have +EV ) .In one night timeframe, you cant be a rich man but in the long term you will get some profit eventually

[subSTRATA]

I would have exploited the flaw and only after I earn some serious btc

A "flaw" in this case is not the kinda "flaw" that was used by hufflepuff that could grant you ten or hundreds of BTC instantly and ensure you will win and become rich overnight ( it seems some people are getting the wrong idea about +EV )

It is a flaw that makes you have the +EV which means that it wont make you rich overnight and also unless you have a bankroll and proper management to use this, it wont work . You could suffer some losses before profit and time is the guarantee that you will get profit if you play it well.

i will also wait to hear from dooglus about this strategy how is that effective in long term gambling.

If it is truly a strategy that will give you +EV then there is no doubt in the long term you will be getting profit. To put it simpler, imagine yourself that you own a gambling sites ( that means you have +EV ) .In one night timeframe, you cant be a rich man but in the long term you will get some profit eventually

+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1

people here seem to think that +EV means becoming the next hufflepuff, completely agree. people here think that "lolwhy is he selling this is he can become hufflepuff!!!! lol!!!!"
there's your answer; I dont have the patience nor the resources to dedicate to this,  in addition, this is gambling of all things, profit is not 100% guaranteed.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Anybody care to elaborate on the 'hufflepuff' story? I've been investing in BTC for around 18 months & on bitcointalk.org for nearly a year but I've only been active in the gambling section for 3-4 months.
What's the story on hufflepuff, I've seen things mentioned before but never got the full story?

[subSTRATA]

Anybody care to elaborate on the 'hufflepuff' story? I've been investing in BTC for around 18 months & on bitcointalk.org for nearly a year but I've only been active in the gambling section for 3-4 months.
What's the story on hufflepuff, I've seen things mentioned before but never got the full story?

heres the link to the story that was just released: https://medium.com/@Stunna/breaking-the-house-63f1021a3e6d

basically, hufflepuff found a way to cheat the provably fair system and managed to walk away with 2000+ btc from primedice.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Anybody care to elaborate on the 'hufflepuff' story? I've been investing in BTC for around 18 months & on bitcointalk.org for nearly a year but I've only been active in the gambling section for 3-4 months.
What's the story on hufflepuff, I've seen things mentioned before but never got the full story?

heres the link to the story that was just released: https://medium.com/@Stunna/breaking-the-house-63f1021a3e6d

basically, hufflepuff found a way to cheat the provably fair system and managed to walk away with 2000+ btc from primedice.

Just reading about it right now, absolutely terrible. He walked away with 1 million USD (at the time) worth of bitcoin.
Unbelievable. He then returned with another account & tried it again but only managed to get away with 50-60 coins.
That sucks to be honest, I presume because of the nature of bitcoin & his anonymity no legal proceedings were able to be taken. Sorry for going off topic, awful story though.

[Bardman]

I would have exploited the flaw and only after I earn some serious btc

A "flaw" in this case is not the kinda "flaw" that was used by hufflepuff that could grant you ten or hundreds of BTC instantly and ensure you will win and become rich overnight ( it seems some people are getting the wrong idea about +EV )

It is a flaw that makes you have the +EV which means that it wont make you rich overnight and also unless you have a bankroll and proper management to use this, it wont work . You could suffer some losses before profit and time is the guarantee that you will get profit if you play it well.

i will also wait to hear from dooglus about this strategy how is that effective in long term gambling.

If it is truly a strategy that will give you +EV then there is no doubt in the long term you will be getting profit. To put it simpler, imagine yourself that you own a gambling sites ( that means you have +EV ) .In one night timeframe, you cant be a rich man but in the long term you will get some profit eventually

+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1

people here seem to think that +EV means becoming the next hufflepuff, completely agree. people here think that "lolwhy is he selling this is he can become hufflepuff!!!! lol!!!!"
there's your answer; I dont have the patience nor the resources to dedicate to this,  in addition, this is gambling of all things, profit is not 100% guaranteed.

But if enough people know the trick and with enough days the casino will go broke pretty fast, as i said only if few people know it and they are using it against the casino and it seems that a good amount of people know it

[tsoPANos]

I would have exploited the flaw and only after I earn some serious btc

A "flaw" in this case is not the kinda "flaw" that was used by hufflepuff that could grant you ten or hundreds of BTC instantly and ensure you will win and become rich overnight ( it seems some people are getting the wrong idea about +EV )

It is a flaw that makes you have the +EV which means that it wont make you rich overnight and also unless you have a bankroll and proper management to use this, it wont work . You could suffer some losses before profit and time is the guarantee that you will get profit if you play it well.

i will also wait to hear from dooglus about this strategy how is that effective in long term gambling.

If it is truly a strategy that will give you +EV then there is no doubt in the long term you will be getting profit. To put it simpler, imagine yourself that you own a gambling sites ( that means you have +EV ) .In one night timeframe, you cant be a rich man but in the long term you will get some profit eventually

+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1

people here seem to think that +EV means becoming the next hufflepuff, completely agree. people here think that "lolwhy is he selling this is he can become hufflepuff!!!! lol!!!!"
there's your answer; I dont have the patience nor the resources to dedicate to this,  in addition, this is gambling of all things, profit is not 100% guaranteed.

I understand some people simply don't know what that means.
But I am not one of them. There has been a misunderstanding.
From what I understand it is like reversed house edge.
So in the long run the house looses. But could you earn some serious btc with this?

[arallmuus]

A "flaw" in this case is not the kinda "flaw" that was used by hufflepuff that could grant you ten or hundreds of BTC instantly and ensure you will win and become rich overnight ( it seems some people are getting the wrong idea about +EV )

It is a flaw that makes you have the +EV which means that it wont make you rich overnight and also unless you have a bankroll and proper management to use this, it wont work . You could suffer some losses before profit and time is the guarantee that you will get profit if you play it well.

there's your answer; I dont have the patience nor the resources to dedicate to this,  in addition, this is gambling of all things, profit is not 100% guaranteed.

There is also no guarantee on how long this strategy will hold ( if it is indeed a +EV strategy ). Basically this thread is kinda an alert trigger with its title

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+EV strategy in a dice site

Most dice sites around here will probably be triggered by this alarm just by reading on the title and once they figured it out then this "flaw" will be fix and it wont be a +EV strategy anymore. So the decision to sell it is the best option however notifying the site owner after dooglus verify your claim will get you a bounty as well I supose

people here seem to think that +EV means becoming the next hufflepuff, completely agree. people here think that "lolwhy is he selling this is he can become hufflepuff!!!! lol!!!!"

Sadly some people are keep getting on the wrong idea about such "basic" things in gambling such like provably fair , +EV and the other things. Might be great if someone could make an EDU thread which contain complete list about such things .
Therefore most people can stop getting into delusion that the site is rigged if they lost after having a 20 + red streak on 49.5 % and that +EV is the "thing" that will make you into the next hufflepuff

So in the long run the house looses. But could you earn some serious btc with this?

Yes and Yes. I have answered this, in a long run you could get a profit (just imagine yourself having a gambling site, thats all )

[subSTRATA]

I understand some people simply don't know what that means.
But I am not one of them. There has been a misunderstanding.
From what I understand it is like reversed house edge.
So in the long run the house looses. But could you earn some serious btc with this?

potentially, yes. in theory, the math says you should be able to dump the house's bankroll because it is +EV of course, I would much rather tell the site and claim a reasonable bounty rather than sell it off to one or two people, unless those one or two people manage to offer a price high enough to buy off my morals. in addition, if the site decides to remedy this flaw, those one or two people would likely become rather angry at me, which is something id rather not have, even though it is something that I cannot be responsible for.

[laughingbear]

I understand some people simply don't know what that means.
But I am not one of them. There has been a misunderstanding.
From what I understand it is like reversed house edge.
So in the long run the house looses. But could you earn some serious btc with this?

potentially, yes. in theory, the math says you should be able to dump the house's bankroll because it is +EV of course, I would much rather tell the site and claim a reasonable bounty rather than sell it off to one or two people, unless those one or two people manage to offer a price high enough to buy off my morals. in addition, if the site decides to remedy this flaw, those one or two people would likely become rather angry at me, which is something id rather not have, even though it is something that I cannot be responsible for.

Then contact the site directly instead of posting a thread about it?

[subSTRATA]

I understand some people simply don't know what that means.
But I am not one of them. There has been a misunderstanding.
From what I understand it is like reversed house edge.
So in the long run the house looses. But could you earn some serious btc with this?

potentially, yes. in theory, the math says you should be able to dump the house's bankroll because it is +EV of course, I would much rather tell the site and claim a reasonable bounty rather than sell it off to one or two people, unless those one or two people manage to offer a price high enough to buy off my morals. in addition, if the site decides to remedy this flaw, those one or two people would likely become rather angry at me, which is something id rather not have, even though it is something that I cannot be responsible for.

Then contact the site directly instead of posting a thread about it?

that wasnt the intention at the very beginning, but it is now. I've said it multiple times before in the thread, I will be contacting the site after dooglus's confirmation.

[dooglus]

that wasnt the intention at the very beginning, but it is now. I've said it multiple times before in the thread, I will be contacting the site after dooglus's confirmation.

I just confirmed that the site in question does offer +EV bets for the player. In the worst case the edge is 30% for the player.

I fully expect the site to fix this when subSTRATA tells them about it.

[subSTRATA]

that wasnt the intention at the very beginning, but it is now. I've said it multiple times before in the thread, I will be contacting the site after dooglus's confirmation.

I just confirmed that the site in question does offer +EV bets for the player. In the worst case the edge is 30% for the player.

I fully expect the site to fix this when subSTRATA tells them about it.

there you go. I will be contacting the site about this asap when dooglus give then green light. panic ensues as dice site owners await a pm

[shulio]

that wasnt the intention at the very beginning, but it is now. I've said it multiple times before in the thread, I will be contacting the site after dooglus's confirmation.

I just confirmed that the site in question does offer +EV bets for the player. In the worst case the edge is 30% for the player.

I fully expect the site to fix this when subSTRATA tells them about it.

And to give him a huge bounty. 30 % house edge for player is no joke at all, I wonder why only substrata notice this if there is 30 % house edge for players, all players playing there should have notice this as well. Is the details for this +EV strategy will be release later after the site fix it? I am curious to know how substrata notice this as well