Utility Theory dose not demand that every individual experience the exact SAME utility from a commodity, not even over time. Again this is MARGINAL UTILITY THEORY. You people are revealing that you know absolutely NOTHING about the basics of utility theory when you make these posts.
Guys who oppose OP say right things about marginal utility which represents subjective value, though in layman's terms. Their naive understanding is correct nevertheless. If you want to discuss the theory of marginal utility in particular or subjective theory of value in general, you can do it with me... Oh, wait... We already had a debate recently where you failed to show real understanding what these theories are about
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MARGINAL UNITY THEORY it's 200 years old, learn some Econ 101 before you post such drivel.
We didn't go over "MARGINAL UNITY THEORY" in my classes. What is it an acronym for? He talks about the theory of marginal utility, which is not a theory by itself strictly speaking. The notion of marginal utility is one of the cornerstones of the subjective theory of value, which was independently developed by an Austrian economist, Carl Menger (hence the Austrian school of economics), and other guys in the second half of the 19th century. Though the roots of this theory can be traced back to the Middle Ages...
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Спасибо за отзыв и за комментарии. 1 и 2 - учтем и постараемся реализовать. 3 - это исключение. Наша главная задача - избегать таких исключений. А что до ставок комиссии… мы можем и 0% поставить, если народ будет сообща оплачивать наши расходы Вот как раз для таких исключений и следует предусмотреть систему дополнительных скидок. Я не думаю, что ваша прибыль от этого сильно уменьшится (поскольку это, с ваших же слов, исключительная ситуация), но у клиентов такая новация найдёт самый положительный отклик, даже если им с этим ни разу не придётся столкнуться на деле...
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When you justify using force to force people to be part of your system, you are justifying tyranny. Even if your system is measurably great in some way, or many ways. The ends (greatness in economic growth or some other measure) do not justify the means (infringing the right of other people to their life, liberty, and/or property).
It is our moral judgment that we erroneously extend on state which is beyond morality. You just can't attach your idea of means not justifying ends to state, whether you like it or not. It would be equal to saying that it is immoral when one animal kills another. Such judgments are simply inapplicable here... My basic argument is that there is no way you can justify infringing on someone else's rights to life, liberty, and property. So yes, I can say that no ends justify those means. You say that state is evil and should be liquidated, you probably think that this would be moral and justified. If state hurts you somehow (even through taxes which you deem excessive or not justified at all) or somebody else for that matter, you would obviously pretend that this is immoral... How come? Actually, I'm not justifying anything just as I don't try to justify predator hunting some prey. It simply doesn't make sense (beast cannot be held guilty in the first place)
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Looks like most people on this forum consider acceptable writing moar instead of more, center instead of centre...
I'm curious: what happens if you do this in your school works?
Merriam-Webster Dictionary: center - 17 entries found for center moar - word not found
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Lawyers: obsolete Machine learning algorithms going through all the law books on the planet analyzing all case histories, looking for all viable avenues. Doctors: obsolete Watson supercomputer deployed across the planet. Scientists: obsolete Automated research centers, slicing dicing staining, robotic probes roaming the planet. Police: obsolete robots incapable of corruption patrolling the streets, running on machine algorithms to predict crime before it happens. Teachers:obsolete Online pre programmed courses teaching people whatever they wish to learn. Military:obsolete Robots control the battlefield stronger faster smarter, incapable of PTSD, emotionless cold machines assessing and dolling out the appropriate response to a threat. Cooks:obsolete Automated machinery designed to cook any meal you like is already available. Government:obsolete The internet can already bring about world wide direct democracy. Programmers:obsolete Machine learning algorithms and A.I. systems with neural chips on neural networks constructing any program required.
People:obsolete
Skynet is patiently waiting...
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When you justify using force to force people to be part of your system, you are justifying tyranny. Even if your system is measurably great in some way, or many ways. The ends (greatness in economic growth or some other measure) do not justify the means (infringing the right of other people to their life, liberty, and/or property).
It is our moral judgment that we erroneously extend on state which is beyond morality. You just can't attach your idea of means not justifying ends to state, whether you like it or not. It would be equal to saying that it is immoral when one animal kills another. Such judgments are simply inapplicable here...
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Actually, there are many objective metrics to measure the efficiency of the state existing nowadays for this very purpose. Economic growth as one of the most evident and encompassing example of such a metric. Also, how are you going to define freedom/liberty in more or less objective terms and would it be a moral issue then?
The problem is this: if you decide to use economic growth as a metric, then you are setting up economic growth as being valued more highly than other factors. Say some people would want equality over economic growth. Either way, this is a moral decision. The basic principle is this: the ends (your metrics) don't justify the means. So some system might result in more economic growth, but that doesn't mean it's right to force it on people - maybe they value something else more highly than that economic growth. Or some system might result in better equality, but it would be wrong to force it on you or others who believe economic growth should be paramount (just an example). Or maybe reducing traffic deaths is the number one goal, or childhood obesity. Your appeal only makes sense when it is directed to a human being for whom there exists a moral scale (i.e. by which he can tell that some decisions are more moral than others). But it would not be my decision to set up economic growth before equality. State would be interested in equality as long as it has some influence on economic growth if it decides to prioritize that metric... You just can't draw out a morally justified decision from an entity which doesn't have morality inherent to it
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You shouldn't have the power to compel people to go along with your ideas. So, for example, you think everybody should abstain from alcohol. Great - persuade people instead of outlawing it, because nobody should have the power to outlaw it. It shouldn't be a matter of voting on who gets that power over everybody, because nobody should have it.
Otto von Bismarck once said that "Die Politik ist die Lehre vom Möglichen", which can be translated as "politics is the science of achieving the possible". It may be better to persuade people to abstain from alcohol instead of just outlawing it (in fact, I have no doubts that what you say is true), but it would require so many resources (human, financial or whatever) that it would actually be more damaging in other parts than useful in just one. So outright outlawing alcohol may actually turn out to be the best option available, taking into account all possible consequences and effects...
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Assume for a moment that we can make artificial neurons that would be functionally identical to natural ones, and then we begin to gradually substitute neurons in brain with them. If consciousness would be preserved, then yes, the answer to your question is positive...
It would be hard enough to simulate a single neuron, let alone billions of them on the same scale is impossible (and illogical). I'm not talking about simulation, you seem to have entirely missed my point. I speak about artificial neurons that would be functionally identical to our own. Actually, we don't even need to place them physically into the brain... If you would be using neurons identical to our own then you wouldn't be creating anything, you'd be leaving most of the work to nature and creating human beings rather than robots (or biological robots at the very least) It is not given. We don't know what is consciousness, we don't know if artificial neurons that we would consider identical in functionality to natural would support it. If they would, then we could just take them alone and create a self-aware robot that you asked about in your opening post. This is an empirical way of dealing with such problems... I thought it was pretty obvious
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Скажу вам вот что. Я создал тему, меня завалили г.вном из вентилятора. Каждый олицетворяет то, что он пишет. Мое мнение в любом случае останется при мне. Для чего вы мне тут только что вылили все это, вместо того чтобы ответить на простой вопрос?
Потому что вести себя нужно немного скромнее. Оно можно, конечно, начать быковать, только, как правило, людям, знающим себе цену, в этом нет никакой необходимости...
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If this is not what you actually mean here, aren't elections what would go for "picking a competing ISP"? No, in elections (as we know them), you are picking the government that other people will be subject to. What we want is for each person to be allowed to pick their own government. Example: when George W. Bush won in 2000, it was immoral to force everybody to be subject to his government; people should've been allowed to be under a competing system run by Gore instead, if that's what they really wanted. (Personally I'd pick neither.) As I said above, the system you promote is already here. Though it may look very different from what you likely dream about, but the staples are present there. And even if you prefer to remain neutral you can secede and fly to Antarctica which has no government and is considered politically neutral...
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All they have to do is just respect each other's rights to life, liberty, and property. Imagine if the Republican and Democratic parties were each governments. Each citizen picks whichever one they want. If you commit a crime against another citizen of your party, your party handles it in the way they deem appropriate. If they commit a crime against a citizen of the other party, it'd be handled by collaboration between governments: extradition, etc. So, if you are Republican and murder a Democrat and the whole world witnessed it on television, the Republicans probably hand you over to the Democrats to face justice. But if you are Democrat and have an abortion, the Democrats don't hand you over to the Republicans, because while the Republicans have outlawed abortion, the Democrats have not.
Now generalize it: instead of two parties/governments, allow any arbitrary number of them. Allow people to create new ones as they see fit.
How is that different from what we have right now on an international level with the difference being only that your parties/governments (i.e. states) are distributed across the globe? But in today's world, where you can fly from any inhabited area to any other within several hours, even this limitation is actually losing its significance...
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foreach в крестах нету, а решётки мне неинтересны. Если что, официальный кошелёк написан на c++
Вы изъясняетесь как уголовник. Я и уши могу надрать за дешёвые понты...
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Юноша бледный со взором горящим...
Попрошу вас в моей ветке быть корректным и изъясняться по существу если, конечно, есть что сказать. Вот скажите мне, что быстрее for или foreach? И да, мне 35. foreach в крестах нету, а решётки мне неинтересны. Если что, официальный кошелёк написан на c++
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Я чувствую бред. Конкретная реализация алгоритмов вовсе не на C#, никакая объектная модель с друмя трансляторами их не ускорит. Алгоритмов много разных используется, но постановка вопросов вызывает удивление даже у меня. Начну с конца: оф. клиент перестал майнить с тех пор, как мощность одного процессора стала ничтожно мала, по сравнению с общей мощностью сети, как следствие, вероятность награды за блок устремилась к нулю. Поддерживать нерабочий функционал -- кому оно полезно? Об этом много где написано, прочитавшему "все темы из разделов Майнеры и Кодеры", это должно было попасться, хотя бы в FAQ. Теперь почему бред: о каких именно данных речь? Чтобы знать какие данные нужны, сначала нужно знать на какой именно вопрос они должны отвечать. Пока что я вижу абстрактные пасы в воздухе про алгоритмы, данные, объектную модель и прочие баззворды.
Бред надо сначала почувствовать, потом осознать, а потом избавится от него. Юноша бледный со взором горящим...
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Assume for a moment that we can make artificial neurons that would be functionally identical to natural ones, and then we begin to gradually substitute neurons in brain with them. If consciousness would be preserved, then yes, the answer to your question is positive...
It would be hard enough to simulate a single neuron, let alone billions of them on the same scale is impossible (and illogical). I'm not talking about simulation, you seem to have entirely missed my point. I speak about artificial neurons that would be functionally identical to our own. Actually, we don't even need to place them physically into the brain...
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I'm not sure why the goal of AI is to create human like intelligence. The point of computing, so far, has been to use computers to do things that we cannot already do.
Why create a computer that is so human that it knows how to talk about last nights tv in a human like way? ('it was ok', said the computer, 'but it was no Breaking Bad')
The answer to this question is pretty obvious. Because we don't know any other intelligence, and don't even know whether another form of intelligence alien to ours is ever possible at all. No one actually wants to create a computer that can only talk about last show in a human like way...
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If you ever needed proof that the Discovery Channel employs no one who can do math and doesn't bother fact-checking, there it is. This thing has been around for years and gotten no closer to construction.
Actually, I know this and agree with all that you say about this scam. Just thought that the image was appropriate for the purposes of reviving the discussion...
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That's not a building, that's a render. The "Freedom Ship" initiative collected several USD$million and failed to build anything. Most people agree it was a scam.
Naval architects, looking at the proposed size of the darn thing, were pretty unanimous in their "Why are people giving these idiots money to build something that can't exist?" response -- mostly because the ocean has swells miles long that greatly exceed the proposed height of the vessel, meaning it would be an unsupported spar between wave crests - and at the proposed size/mass, we can't build anything capable of supporting itself on that big a span. So, it would break up.
It seems that it is still afloat (no pun intended)...
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