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23521  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 09, 2016, 07:59:34 PM
Might as well put this thread on hiatus until after September...that's when the fun begins again  Cool

What's so magical about September?  Something happening in September, or is that just your quasi-arbitrary technical analysis estimate?
23522  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 09, 2016, 07:57:24 PM
Countdown begins.....

4 years until halving

Bitcoin to the moon! Lol. A lot of pre-halving hype and then nothing. The chineses are playing with us, they control de market.

Yeah right, another one of these superficial and foundationless assertions regarding supposed "chinese control"....

Can I just say, Bullshit?  Oh, I just did.   Tongue
23523  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 09, 2016, 07:54:45 PM
Network seems to be humming along great, despite mining reward cut in half / inflation getting halved.

There was some FUD about it before the halving, but it seems to be ok, blocks are being found in normal time. It seems there has been no hashrate loss worthy of mention - apparently due to the much stronger price compared to the 250 and 400 levels.

I'm also looking at this: https://slushpool.com/stats/

It seems that yesterday hashrate was going in the 85-87 range, it did a small spike prior to halving, now it's in the 82-84 range (small drop was expected). So everything seems ok, network-wise and incentive-wise.

Next diff retarget in 9 days, it has some upward momentum right now due to the spiked hashrate pre-halving, but it might be corrected to "stabilize" over that period.

Maybe you can explain why changes in the hashrate matters so much, except merely perceptions?

If you look at bitcoin's hashrate, this network is likely closer to 100x more secure than it needs to be in order to prevent attacks and to protect value.  Yeah, if the price of coins goes up 100x, then that extra security will be a good thing, but at present prices, we got a lot of surplus mining power, so it really does not matter if half of them go away, except for nontechnical perceptions, such as public opinion, no?
23524  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 09, 2016, 07:09:06 PM
So... now that the halving has occurred, and the market starts to experience the effects of fewer newly minted coins, we can begin the process of price discovery.

Did you really think people (the market) were smart enough to price it in before the effects were actually felt? Ha. Any attempts up to this point were like playing "pin the tail on the donkey". Most people need to actually stick their hand in the frying pan to learn that it will burn them. That's just how it works.


Rarely, have I ever read wiser proclamations.     Wink Wink

23525  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 09, 2016, 07:07:33 PM
Yeah, right... If I wanted to get sympathy, I would reach out and post details on a semi-anonymous forum for such...  Sounds like a great strategy to deal with mental issues  Roll Eyes

...sometimes...

...............................the irony........


Is that your armchair assessment of the situation, fatso?    Roll Eyes


Get a life.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy    Tongue
23526  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 09, 2016, 07:04:27 PM
dammn nigga i just sold before panic selling. Any explanation why this bug?


If you sold before the dump, then that is good, because you can buy back at a lower price, but if you sold during the process of the dumping (or near the low price point hoping for a lower low), then you may need to take a loss and buy back before the price get's too far above your sell point.  On the other hand, you could take a chance and wait it out, which may or may not pay out (despite being a bit stressful to wait out and hope for another dump, which is not out of the question at this point).


I am lucky noob  Grin

You bought back, or not yet? 

I usually like to stagger my bets rather than to attempt to play too many BTC all at once.. and accordingly, if I were to sell 4BTC all at once, that better fucking mean that I have at least 200 BTC in my portfolio or otherwise I am pretty confident that we are going to experience at least a 10% correction, and I would be buying back every 2% or so, once the correction stabilizes. 

I also think that it is safer to sell on the way up and buy on the way down rather than selling on the way down (even though once in a while you could get lucky to attempt to time such).

No, this is all I have. Yes, noobish, I shouldn't trade with all my money but hey... let me tell you something Smiley.

I follow China charts, because EU charts are lagging around 5 second after chinas. (Euro has the smallest volume of BTC, CNY the biggest).



I have my doubts about whether I should take you seriously.

First:  you gave a bit of information about what you had supposedly done, but you are not really responding regarding your strategy to buy back or if you did buy back. 

Second: seems quite fantastical that anyone who claims that they don't know what they are doing would sell the whole stash after we have been experiencing several unsuccessful attempts to push the price down.. so there seems to be a bit more upwards price pressures rather than downward pressures, at the moment.

Third:  asserting that chinese exchanges are leading tends to be a FUCD spreading disinformation campaign.. Yeah, people say it .. but really nonsense.
23527  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Bullish Media Center (The 1 stop Bullish BTC news source) on: July 09, 2016, 06:40:45 PM

If you were logged into their site during the minute or two following the first block of the halvening, there were fireworks going off, too, on the page... COOL!
23528  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 09, 2016, 06:28:26 PM
Just got margin called. Again. Worst day of my life.

Yeah, right... you are either a dumb-ass or making shit up, again.


[why not both, meme?]

You're the gentleman who made me feel bad about being so trusting...

594 on BTC-e Sad I was promised we would *never* go below 600 Cry

Don't be an idiot.

First:  BTC-e is not reflective of overall BTC prices, HELLO?


Second:  If anyone tells you "never" in relation to bitcoin, then by definition, they must be either misleading or misinformed or more likely, you are making shit up in order to act like a drama queen...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I guess I should stop trusting people so much. They seemed nice . . . you're not even nice, you're just rude.

And now on this, the worst fucking day of my life, just as I'm at my lowest and most fragile, you return to torment me some more? To rub your poisonous hatred into my wounds?
What kind of a heartless monster are you?


Yeah, right... If I wanted to get sympathy, I would reach out and post details on a semi-anonymous forum for such...  Sounds like a great strategy to deal with mental issues  Roll Eyes
23529  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 09, 2016, 06:26:08 PM
dammn nigga i just sold before panic selling. Any explanation why this bug?


If you sold before the dump, then that is good, because you can buy back at a lower price, but if you sold during the process of the dumping (or near the low price point hoping for a lower low), then you may need to take a loss and buy back before the price get's too far above your sell point.  On the other hand, you could take a chance and wait it out, which may or may not pay out (despite being a bit stressful to wait out and hope for another dump, which is not out of the question at this point).


I am lucky noob  Grin

You bought back, or not yet? 

I usually like to stagger my bets rather than to attempt to play too many BTC all at once.. and accordingly, if I were to sell 4BTC all at once, that better fucking mean that I have at least 200 BTC in my portfolio or otherwise I am pretty confident that we are going to experience at least a 10% correction, and I would be buying back every 2% or so, once the correction stabilizes. 

I also think that it is safer to sell on the way up and buy on the way down rather than selling on the way down (even though once in a while you could get lucky to attempt to time such).
23530  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 09, 2016, 06:19:52 PM


Reminds me of JimboToronto.   Cheesy Cheesy
23531  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 09, 2016, 06:14:31 PM
Why is the price still dropping?

People are scared and want to get out.






NOT






Looks like it will keep falling lol.


Price could continue to be manipulated downward, that is true, but I would not describe that as "falling."

If you do not realize this, we are in a bull market, especially with anything above the $400s... So, why don't you snap out of it and maybe even zoom out a little bit in your looking at the charts, if that is what you are doing.  Roll Eyes


Why is the price still dropping?

People are scared and want to get out. Looks like it will keep falling lol.

I was wrong, actually I have no fucking idea what is going to happen. I am drained.

That's probably a more accurate assessment of the situation.
23532  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 09, 2016, 06:11:50 PM
Just got margin called. Again. Worst day of my life.

Yeah, right... you are either a dumb-ass or making shit up, again.


[why not both, meme?]
23533  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 09, 2016, 06:02:19 PM
dammn nigga i just sold before panic selling. Any explanation why this bug?


If you sold before the dump, then that is good, because you can buy back at a lower price, but if you sold during the process of the dumping (or near the low price point hoping for a lower low), then you may need to take a loss and buy back before the price get's too far above your sell point.  On the other hand, you could take a chance and wait it out, which may or may not pay out (despite being a bit stressful to wait out and hope for another dump, which is not out of the question at this point).
23534  Other / Off-topic / Re: What is your plan to get rich with Bitcoin? on: July 09, 2016, 10:54:41 AM
I'm just trying to accumulate as much as I can through trading and a signature campaign. It's really hard to do with the price so high right now. If the price doesn't go up quickly then we still have tome to gain some to hold on to for long term.

Me too. my ways of getting bitcoin are same as you. trading and participating in signature campaign. and I don't think I could become rich with these low amount of earning. but I am happy because I am able to complete my daily life needs and supporting my family little bit.
hope one day I'll get a better chance to earn and become rich.
signature campaigns can help your in spending from other like tuition fee , daily food , bills it can helps a little but its a big for your daily life you can your own money.

Yes you are right but it cannot make help you rich. If you are going to depend with signature campaign and you want to be rich.
Signature campaign is not the best way for it.
I will just believe that someone can be rich with bitcoin if he is a good trader.


Yes.   

Trader with a goal of accumulating BTC.. and to allow some of that appreciation of the accumulated BTC to drive the increasing of the wealth.

You just need to be good at it and you need to always monitor the fluctuation of price of the alt coins you are going to buy.
And that is really going to be good if you are going to study first and be a good trader.

I think that you can begin with very small amounts and learn, and you do not necessarily need to delve into various alt coins and to complicate  the matter with alt coins.  Bitcoin is a handful in and of itself to learn how to trade bitcoin with accumulation strategies and principle preservation strategies and to get better and better at it without gambling too much in the process.

I have been employing a self-learned system that pretty much does not require gambling of my principle and that is selling on the way up and buying on the way down, and I only deal with BTC and don't try to over complicate matters... even though practicing does seem to pay off in order to get better and better at it and to stack up dollars and bitcoins in order to continue to be able to buy more as the price goes down and to be able to sell on the way up (without selling too much in order to always keep some stash of BTC)

You are right it is good to start out trading with just a small amount because you are going to able to manage that good or it is a good start so that if ever you loss your trading.
That's not going to be a big deal at all.

I think that my point is a bit different than what you are suggesting.

I am suggesting to start trading in small amounts, not because I would be worried about losing the whole thing because gambling is no way what I am suggesting to attempt.  I am suggesting that you can learn better with smaller amounts, and there is not as much pressure regarding leaving some of those small amounts on the table.  For example, the strategy is to stack up buying on the way down and selling on the way up... but sometimes the price is going to run in one direction or another or both much quicker and much further than you expect, and if you are playing with smaller amounts it is much easier to budget and not to run out of either dollars or BTC... but you gotta continue to tweak and to monitor and to plan and to learn by strategies that you employ.

In this regard, you do not bet all or nothing.. you bet with stacking and you don't give a shit if the price keeps going in one direction as long as you budget for such price movements in either direction.  So let's say for example, you only have $1000 and about 10 BTC.  If the price keeps going down, you may only feel comfortable buying less than $50 at a time and in $10 increments in order that you do not run out of money, if the price were to drop a couple hundred.  Also, as the price goes up, you may only want to sell up to $50 max, per every $10 the price goes up because that would be selling half of the profits (because with 10BTC, you have $10 profits for every $1 the price goes up, and $100 profits for every $10 the price goes up).  Anyhow, you can play around with your trading allocations in order that you are not gambling but you are still accumulating and protecting your portfolio by selling small amounts at comfortable intervals.
23535  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 09, 2016, 10:29:36 AM
oh fuck, i didn't think the level of lame dumb-ass FUD couldn't get any worse ... and then it just did

It's FUCD. Don get it twisted, institutional investor JayJuan"AllMyCoinsOnExchange"Gee said so. Buy Buy Buy! Or, just keep hodling like Marcus, he ain't no fool buying $600 coins.

(Is dragon sleeping again? He looks a little droopy going into the last "bullish backstory for loose rubes" event pre-2020.)


Well, thanks for thinking of me, dumbfbr.   Wink

Regarding buying or selling, what you do, kind of depends upon where you are at.  If you do not have any coins, then of course you buy, buy buy at this point.  On the other hand, if you have accumulated quite a few coins, like I have and probably a lot of other longer term folks, then you sell small amounts on the way up and buy on the dips... with the goal of continuing to accumulate and to bring down your average costs per BTC.

It's also good to have a little bit of a theory.. for example, considering that overall we are in a bull market at the moment, unless prices go below $500 for some kind of significant period of time, and there is a bit of resistance until about $800 or $850.. Once prices go passed $800 or $850, then likely BBBBBBAAAAAAMMMMM.. we have decent chances to go to the $3k to $5k price territory.

There are a few other things to keep in mind, but overall the above are good starting presumptions.. and we kind of continue to monitor on a fairly regular basis just to account for how the market dynamics are playing out.. and to consider whether we need to make any significant tweaks to our plans or our perspectives.



EDIT:  BTW

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23536  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 09, 2016, 10:16:21 AM
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Yes, I think this picture sums up very well the upcoming Bitcoin halving.  Bring back usability to Bitcoin, development team, or forget it and let's think about another Crypto currency.

Yeah,... you sound like a retard, Agaguk24... making shit up.. as if there were some kind of actual problem with bitcoin besides some stupid-ass talking point that you want to fantasize...   By the way, which alt are you suggesting, stupid ass?  By the way, there's no alt crypto that even come close to bitcoin in it's development, security and immutable censorship resistance, which is really all that matters in the whole scheme of things.
23537  Other / Off-topic / Re: What is your plan to get rich with Bitcoin? on: July 09, 2016, 04:02:15 AM
I'm just trying to accumulate as much as I can through trading and a signature campaign. It's really hard to do with the price so high right now. If the price doesn't go up quickly then we still have tome to gain some to hold on to for long term.

Me too. my ways of getting bitcoin are same as you. trading and participating in signature campaign. and I don't think I could become rich with these low amount of earning. but I am happy because I am able to complete my daily life needs and supporting my family little bit.
hope one day I'll get a better chance to earn and become rich.
signature campaigns can help your in spending from other like tuition fee , daily food , bills it can helps a little but its a big for your daily life you can your own money.

Yes you are right but it cannot make help you rich. If you are going to depend with signature campaign and you want to be rich.
Signature campaign is not the best way for it.
I will just believe that someone can be rich with bitcoin if he is a good trader.


Yes.   

Trader with a goal of accumulating BTC.. and to allow some of that appreciation of the accumulated BTC to drive the increasing of the wealth.

You just need to be good at it and you need to always monitor the fluctuation of price of the alt coins you are going to buy.
And that is really going to be good if you are going to study first and be a good trader.

I think that you can begin with very small amounts and learn, and you do not necessarily need to delve into various alt coins and to complicate  the matter with alt coins.  Bitcoin is a handful in and of itself to learn how to trade bitcoin with accumulation strategies and principle preservation strategies and to get better and better at it without gambling too much in the process.

I have been employing a self-learned system that pretty much does not require gambling of my principle and that is selling on the way up and buying on the way down, and I only deal with BTC and don't try to over complicate matters... even though practicing does seem to pay off in order to get better and better at it and to stack up dollars and bitcoins in order to continue to be able to buy more as the price goes down and to be able to sell on the way up (without selling too much in order to always keep some stash of BTC)
23538  Other / Off-topic / Re: What is your plan to get rich with Bitcoin? on: July 09, 2016, 03:44:24 AM
I'm just trying to accumulate as much as I can through trading and a signature campaign. It's really hard to do with the price so high right now. If the price doesn't go up quickly then we still have tome to gain some to hold on to for long term.

Me too. my ways of getting bitcoin are same as you. trading and participating in signature campaign. and I don't think I could become rich with these low amount of earning. but I am happy because I am able to complete my daily life needs and supporting my family little bit.
hope one day I'll get a better chance to earn and become rich.
signature campaigns can help your in spending from other like tuition fee , daily food , bills it can helps a little but its a big for your daily life you can your own money.

Yes you are right but it cannot make help you rich. If you are going to depend with signature campaign and you want to be rich.
Signature campaign is not the best way for it.
I will just believe that someone can be rich with bitcoin if he is a good trader.


Yes.   

Trader with a goal of accumulating BTC.. and to allow some of that appreciation of the accumulated BTC to drive the increasing of the wealth.
23539  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 09, 2016, 01:34:27 AM
89  (but who's counting?)

23540  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 08, 2016, 09:56:46 PM
As long as bitcoin has intrinsic value (which we agree it does), the price can boom due to economic conditions, just like the precious metals.

where's the intrinsic value? i don't believe anything has intrinsic value in the great scheme of things. value's awarded and mutually agreed, it's not a concrete thing.


Intrinsic may be the wrong word, yet describing bitcoin fundamentals and utility may justify the same conclusion that bitcoin is valuable as it has been created and has the ability and the potential to fill various niches in ways that are currently inadequately fulfilled.
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