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2361  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Dominance rising again. What is happening? on: October 10, 2019, 10:48:18 AM
Yesterday people were overly bearish, today people are overly bullish. Make sure to keep an eye on the moving averages to see where we close today. No bullish close means that it isn't likely going to be followed up by more increases

This is called overreaction, isn't it?

Don't pay attention to perma bulls who always rehash the same bull crap narrative---people need to be made aware of the different phases in a market, and that it doesn't always look rosy in the short to mid term

The same is equally true with respect to permabears

Who are eager to reshuffle their old stories about Bitcoin going down to zero soon. And so what? Even if so, enjoy the ride while it lasts (taxi drivers' motto). We are heading to the next Bitcoin halving, and if anything, this is a strong fundamental (unless it is going to fall flat on its face like it happened with Litecoin's halving last time), no matter what moving averages are telling us right now. Fundamentals rule the world and conquer the markets
2362  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The secret of gambling? on: October 10, 2019, 08:22:01 AM
~snip
Now this is what you called "Lack of Financial Management".

I wish all the winners in gambling can learn how to manage their money if they win. This is just one of the stories of people who won in gambling but used all of it in the wrong way. This is a lesson from him but I don't think that it will happen to him again that he will win that huge amount of money. If he knows how to spend his money then he can be sleeping all the time with his money beside him but that wasn't the case.

He is a garbage man and most of the time these are the people who doesn't have any learning when it comes to handling money. I'm not saying all but most of them.
Things like this needs a good financial advisor after winning a huge amount of money, people who don't have knowledge about handling such amounts of money will only over spend same with how this garbage guy did

That's why winning a lottery should also include professional financial management services

But you can't actually force people to use such services even if they were required to hire a financial advisor after winning a lottery since who would be buying tickets then? If you win and are obligated to follow some financial expert's advice on how to spend your money, technically, it won't be your money at all. The latter makes the whole idea of lottery somewhat weird and contradictory

It's very important to look for good advice in putting up businesses in order not overused your money, this should be an open example to those who have a chance to experience the same luck with this guy

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink
2363  Economy / Economics / Re: Can Libra Disrupt The Financial/Economic System? on: October 10, 2019, 07:40:08 AM
Libra is a centralised cryptocurrency just like ripple, somehow it can disrupt the financial system because of their big influence in the social media world by Facebook. They have a lot of criticism specially from the government because of their previous controversies including the data leak or mishandling the users data. I doubt the adoption of this coin will be as healthy as Bitcoin and other crypto.

I am not a big fan of the shitcoin Ripple and I have criticized it on many occasions. But that said, at least we can say that Ripple is different from fiat currency. It has its own exchange rate, no matter how manipulated it is. The Ripple exchange rates are not dependent on any fiat currency, although it may be influenced by the fluctuations in the Bitcoin exchange rate

Well, maybe I'm missing something here

But frankly, I don't see how Ripple is much different from other fiat currencies for the reasons stated. Yes, it has its own exchange rate and it is not dependent on any other fiat currency. But that's exactly what makes it one such currency itself (and its centralized nature, of course). As I see it, the distinction between fiat and crypto lies in who or what controls that currency. If it is one entity like Ripple (or the FED, for instance), it can be considered a form of fiat, public or private, digital or otherwise

However, Libracoin is just a stablecoin similar to Tether and the numerous other coins out there. It doesn't have an exchange rate of its own, as it is pegged against the USD

In this way, Libra is a token, a currency derivative (perhaps, that's what you wanted to convey)
2364  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Martingale revisited on: October 10, 2019, 07:04:08 AM
Link only shows that after 5 M bets you had half the profit from 10 M bets

Yes, that seems to be correct

It also shows that I started small and at some point in time earned only 10 doges. My setup didn't change much since then apart from making my terminating strings longer as well as letting variance more leeway without changing my exposure (all of that has been explained in the thread). But quite honestly, I don't see what you are getting at here and what you are trying to get across

Just post here how much doge you have now (current balance + withdrawals) and i will know everything - starting balance, profit % and i can even code for you how much lucky you are

I may be lucky in earning so much, but I'm not particularly lucky at gambling that long for the simple reason that no luck is involved in that. The primary goal of my system is to let me last as long as possible. In other words, there is little luck involved in me playing all this time without busting. Regardless, you can collect like 42 doges within a period of 7 days (the so-called 7-day streak). I missed a couple days, so it should be relatively easy to calculate profit margins

Other than that, you seem to be missing what I'm specifically looking for with my setup
2365  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Martingale revisited on: October 09, 2019, 03:46:02 PM
You can just look at my stats here and guess whether it works for me or not. Anyway, here come my recent results:
My simulation shows what will be the output for 10 000 - 100 000 gamblers. Not 1 lucky gambler. You see the difference? Out of 100 000 gamblers there is always one lucky bastard who made portfolio x5 and was not busted for 30 years (1 bet per minute, 8h daily, 365 days annually)

Presently, I'm rolling at wolf.bet

And their betting speed is likely the highest out there for the time being (like 4-5 bets per second). That's basically why I'm so interested in running this setup - to feel it with my own skin in the game. Well, with at least some part thereof (however small that part might be)

You see, 10 000 gamblers is not particularly different from just a single one if the number of their bets stays essentially the same. As you can also see, I have made over 12 million bets by now, and if you ask me, it is not something you can easily call a small sample size, by any means

BTW Is your 1200 doge profit (2$) really something to proud of?

Maybe, that the system has been working so far? Remember, Rome wasn't built in a day (or two), while the proof of the pudding is in the eating (I'm all practical)

2$ profit. And what was your bankrolll that you were risking doing martingale to earn this 2$? 10$? 50$? It means that you already earned 4-20% of your porfolio. Try to get 100% of your porfolio and then you might be in 30% gamblers who managet to do it in my simulation. In fact that a huge difference is there is 1 gambler or 10 000 of them

I started with free coins, basically with nothing to dance on (first records are telling everything). You guess how much I made, percentage-wise
2366  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Martingale revisited on: October 09, 2019, 02:03:45 PM
"long enough" means nothing in the real world. Some people win the lottery while they had one chance on 10 millions. So people can win a very long series while using a martingale

Could not agree more!

That's the essence of this whole thread. As long as you don't bust is already long enough to my understanding. And we can help ourselves last longer by choosing the right settings for our martingale setup while taking advantage of the bouts of variance through both accumulating profits and making our losing streaks longer and longer until we become virtually invulnerable and indestructible. That's technically the reason why so many casinos out there don't allow betting with lowest possible denominations or intentionally limit betting speeds (read, enjoy the ride while it lasts)

Well okay, I have read  three Martingale systems that you shared and it is all good enough for those who have big capital. For me Martingale v1 system is quite good even though it is an old system but it is good enough for barely capital. So far I also use Martingale system when I lose and mostly I make a single bet.

In fact my simulation shows that the more money you have the lower odds you have to double (or win profit equal to % of portfolio). The lowest limit v1 simulation was started was equal to 100. It is similar to enter casino with 100$ placing first bet equal to 1$. Or 10$ with initial bet equal 0.10 $. That's big capital?

You can just look at my stats here and guess whether it works for me or not. Anyway, here come my recent results:



I've encountered a few good outliers that helped me increase my balance during the last couple of days (but not too good to destroy me yet)

No. The chance of losing all goes down but the chance still remains. Aka you'll lose eventually

It's been discussed in the thread
2367  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Martingale revisited on: October 09, 2019, 12:43:23 PM
^^  THis is still a loss in my take because you are spending so much time invested in trying to win a simple gamble on the site.   Are you even having fun, its not a good system on any point of view as if done properly you are not even involved as a player in deciding when to bet but are being forced to follow that strategy

But really, what makes you think I'm so heavily invested in this?

After all, the bets are automatic and after a few improvements that have been implemented recently on the site, there are no more memory issues or cpu cycles wasted, so it just runs somewhere in the background. And yes, I'm having fun since otherwise I wouldn't even bother to look how things are going on down there - something like "you're all going to die down here" in a little girl's voice (if you know what I mean)

Eventually after a long time of the tiny bets you might be able to walk away with a tiny profit rather then a loss, it could be worse but there was never any potential to win only to lose your own time on a pointless pursuit using a bad system

Variance is the new word to learn this time around
2368  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin has no practical use and could be damaging to the economy! on: October 09, 2019, 08:52:26 AM
And I'm not even speaking about being outright corrupt which is in fact quite common and widespread as history has proved it so many times (as in "when money talks bullshit walks"). The implication here is that if taxes were not taxes but rather direct payments for services rendered and goods provided, they, first, wouldn't be so high (as there wouldn't be a "third party" and thus no risks of inefficiency and incompetence), and, second, there would be less tax evasion, and for a good reason (actually, for two obvious reasons). People would be encouraged to pay such "taxes" as they would be just regular payments (read, you know what you pay for), and there would be less avenues and loopholes for deliberate tax evasion
But people can find loopholes to hide their crypto holdings which could be used for tax evasion in high rate compared to fiat cash flow.Only thing which encourages people to pay their taxes without evading will be good spending of those paid taxes for the payers benefits

But isn't it what I'm writing about?

I think if people paid directly for services and goods they are supposed to receive in exchange for taxes paid, that would encourage them even more, in fact, in a sort of absolute way. If you don't pay for something, you don't receive it. Simple, isn't it? And it doesn't really matter what type of currency, crypto or fiat, you pay in or choose not to pay as it is just a simple exchange of goods, not some obscure and potentially shady stratagem or scheme involving payment of taxes (extremely prone to abuse as well as corruption)
2369  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The secret of gambling? on: October 09, 2019, 08:11:01 AM
He is a garbage man and most of the time these are the people who doesn't have any learning when it comes to handling money. I'm not saying all but most of them

In fact, there's nothing surprising in this story at all

As I'm inclined to think, the vast majority of us would behave in rather strange and bizzare ways if granted a sum of money we are not used to handling. And financial literacy or management wouldn't make a difference here unless you already have a prior experience of this kind (read, you have already lost some monies in the past and learned your lesson hard, which is the real literacy in these matters)

In such situations people are not able to think clearly and rationally, whether they are financially literate or otherwise, as their primal instincts and emotions come to surface leading to grandiosity, promiscuous tendencies, compulsive behaviors, various addictions, etc, and ultimately to rash decisions culminating in a frightening and irreversible decline of one's personality (or worse). That's why a winning ticket should come with a financial manager by default
2370  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What do you think about Bitcoin and the games industry? on: October 09, 2019, 07:02:18 AM
I have not seen much of the game that integrate Bitcoin in their ingame system.  Probably because of the complexity of the needed knowledge,  The only gaming sector that had fully taking advantage of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency is the gambling industry

The gambling industry capitalizes on Bitcoin's popularity and value

Okay, you may rightfully ask why other sectors in this industry don't do the same and that would be a fair point. The short answer is that their business model is different. If they tried to integrate Bitcoin or another cryptocurrency into their games, they would lose control over some parts of the game as people would definitely find a way to exploit that distinction somehow (for example, building a market for game things outside the game itself). With an in-game currency the company behind a game retains its full control of the game
2371  Economy / Gambling / Re: WOLF.BET - Provably fair dice game $1,000 Daily Race7-day streak bonus on: October 09, 2019, 06:23:50 AM
you said short term ?  short terms means you play for a short period of time so your supposed to bet on higher odds so that you can win or loss quickly but betting in smaller odds is indeed good for smaller bankrolls  so that you can minimize your chance of loosing but itll make you also play longer  . loosing 20 times in a row can be acceptable or not depending on your bets  .  i can play longer but i dont have a big bankroll , its only a matter of bankroll management .
Short term and long term is not the amount if you ask me, its the time and the wagered amount. Just to give an example if you gamble with 1k satoshi for a whole day on all automatic you will still get at most 1-2 btc (or maybe more I don't really know the speed) but if you gamble 100 satoshi for 1 month you will gamble a lot more. Which is why I personally think its the wagered time instead of wagered amount

I'd say it is more about the number of bets you make

Yep, given the same betting speed it still comes down to how long you roll (given the same bet amount), but technically, it is the number of rolls multiplied by your average bet amount (if I'm not missing something here). In this manner. betting 1k for 3 days on end should be the same as betting 100 satoshi for 1 month in terms of wagered amount, even though the times are obviously quite different. Correct me if I got something wrong here

You can gamble 10 btc all at once and win or lose the same amount, that is just once and you won't find out the average loss expectancy that way, however if you bet 1 million times with 100 satoshi over a month period then you will get to the 1% house edge average for sure. You won't also lose much and still have a high wagered amount that would help you out

You don't need to wait a whole month

That would be an enormous overkill as rolling around 1000 times will typically suffice to see where the house edge is. It pretty fast approximates to that number (1%), or whatever it is (I tested this approach at other casinos)
2372  Economy / Gambling / Re: WOLF.BET - Provably fair dice game $1,000 Daily Race7-day streak bonus on: October 08, 2019, 03:36:12 PM
by the way , due to the house edge the minimum chance to win is 98% , so the multiplier is set to 1.0102 , only a few sites allow it to be set lower ( bitvest.io comes to mind )
the chances to get 5 reds in a row playing 1.0102x are once in 300.000.000 bets on average
the problem is that when you get 3 reds in a row while martingaling , you have to multiply your initial bet by 101*101*101 to even return your initial bet
for 3 reds it means that you got to have a 0.01+ btc bank to cover this streak , for 4 reds it is 1 btc +
It is pointless betting on such low multipliers in my opinion since every roll is independent and it is possible to lose 3 or 4 times in a row even with such a small multiplier which is why x2 is always my preferred multiplier

I definitely see your train of thought

But if we are to follow this logic through, then there is no limit on how long a losing streak can be, no matter the multiplier, as the odds remain the same, right? So if you lost 4 times in a row on 1.01x, you can then lose time and time again, which is statistically totally true, by the way

To correctly understand probabilities, we should never forget that they only refer to future events as probabilities don't exist with respect to past events since the latter already happened, i.e. their probability is strictly 100%. You can't unhappen something like it never happened. There are no snapshots to return to if something goes wrong
2373  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Martingale revisited on: October 08, 2019, 02:51:58 PM
Does your base bet is on minimal?

Yep, I start with the minimal possible amount at 0.00000001 doges

To make things clear right at the start, I know that martingale is a losing strategy in the long term as there is no way to beat the house and its edge if only by chance alone (or by exploiting a bug in the system). And since martingale effectively removes the chance part from the equation, it is set to fail in the end
Martingale doesn't remove chance from the equation, it only removes  mischance. Because if you win you don't need to use it. You only double your bet when you lose.

Well, that depends on how you are going to end up

If you leave with your balance multiplied, it could be construed this way, i.e. you always end up winning at the end of every series of bets, every losing streak. That point I agree with. However, and this is what the part of my post you quoted refers to, if you end up broken, with no coins left, as this is the inevitable outcome of any martingale setup provided you run it for long enough (unless you are following the strategy described in the OP, of course), that mischance will eventually catch up with you, totally and irreconcilably
2374  Economy / Gambling / Re: Email SCAM: "receive Free Bitcoin and Ethereum With Bitcasino" on: October 08, 2019, 02:12:18 PM
This seems to be a different case

The sender was authentic because emails came from a legit source which had been hacked (at least, as far as domain names are concerned). In this manner, it is not a typical phishing attack (if at all) as you would find no difference in domains. That likely explains why people fell victim to this attack as they saw that the source was authentic but they didn't expect it to be compromised (hacked). Really, if you trust the casino with your money, you would trust emails received from them unless they ask you something which they explicitly made clear in advance that they would never ask under any circumstances

How can you know the sender is the real one?

Define the sender here

If by that you mean an individual from the casino staff and not the scammers, then you can't know that. But you can't prove otherwise either as the sender's address is a legit one, i.e. the one belonging to BitCasino. In other words, this is not what is called address spoofing. As the Internet suggests, "spoofing is the act of disguising a communication from an unknown source as being from a known, trusted source". But these emails were not from an unknown source but from BitCasino itself (technically, from BitCasino's email service provider which had been hacked)
2375  Local / Новички / Re: Зачем вообще нужна криптовалюта? on: October 08, 2019, 11:03:10 AM
На сколько я помню пару лет назад или год сбербанк давали в новости и начал применять блокчейн и уволил порядка более тысячи сотрудников...разве нет?!

Думаю, это под шумок уволили. Не было бы блокчейна, придумали ли бы какую-нибудь иную отмазку. А так и блокчейн грязью облили и себя отбелили. Типа это не мы, а блокчейн виноват

На самом деле принятие технологий сейчас идёт быстрее, чем раньше. Ещё несколько лет назад NFC в телефонах просто отсутствовал, а сейчас я видел даже, как пенсионерка даже оплачивала покупку с телефона

Пару дней назад имел счастье воочию наблюдать оплату с телефона в гипермаркете Магнита, да

Прямо перед мной стоял продуманный мужик лет пятидесяти, который долго и упорно пытался расплатиться телефоном. Сначала он на нем что-то набирал (пароль, видимо), потом он его стал прикладывать к терминалу на кассе. И так и сяк прикладывал, ничего не получалось (возможно, не той стороной прикладывал). Потом плюнул и стал пытаться расплатиться банковской карточкой. С карточкой такая же фигня приключилась (потом вроде расплатился с третьей попытки). Я прямо спиной чувствовал, как очередь позади меня была готова порвать этого мужика на американский (зачеркнуто) британский флаг
2376  Economy / Economics / Re: My challenge to bitcoin on: October 08, 2019, 09:29:38 AM
Bitcoin becomes valuable because of its usage. It helps the economy also to have a fast and vast transaction. So, why do we need to hate this new innovative currency, if it can be a substitute and will be used for a long term purpose?

No, It does not help any economy at all, I'm pretty sure Bitcoin is an asset. It can not be a substitute(for now) but rather an alternative, I'm pretty sure you're using Fiat right now and still will for about 10 more years, even more

Opinions vary on this one

For sure, Bitcoin is an asset, and a speculative one at that, for the most part. However, it is still a good value transfer vehicle, and still more so if you don't want to show your wealth to anyone, especially the prying eyes of the government and their greyhounds. It doesn't know borders, so you don't have to bother about ridiculous financial regulations (read, limitations) imposed on international money transfers (which could be a pain in the ass). This is where Bitcoin can be not just a substitute but often the only option available (say, for the unbanked)
2377  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Is Still bad? JPMorgan Chase Traders Accused Of Market Manipulation on: October 08, 2019, 07:39:00 AM
~Smaller markets are easier to manipulate (silver is not a very big market overall) but even the biggest markets get manipulated. It just requires more leverage which is not available to "regular" billionaires. This is the task for central banks and their likes. Obviously, you can't catch these as they are the ones who do all the catching (and punishment, for that matter)

Well, we can't catch them, but we can spot them, and at least we have the right to not participate in the manipulations. (By "participating" I mean allowing them to rob us.) Maybe we should invest less in what they tell us to invest in, and think more with our own head

That would be of little help

You would still have to use dollars, euro, rubles, whatever, whether you like it or not. And these are the biggest scams ever aimed to steal from you and your wealth (read, you are forced to "invest" in what they tell you after all). I know what you are going to say next, namely, that now we have crypto so we have essentially won that right back. Honestly, I wish I could agree with you

But is it really so? If crypto is just an assortment of speculative assets (for all practical intents and purposes), how much is it actually different? You still remain a toy in the hands of a bunch of rogue and extremely selfish market manipulators and whoever else might be hiding in the dark out there. In fact, the only real choice we have is to use what we've got to our advantage by gaming this very system
2378  Economy / Economics / Re: Money Is Political, Not Technical on: October 08, 2019, 06:57:34 AM
Christ this country is fucked.  (United States, that is)

We need a proper perspective on the situation

For example, the US may be fucked but it doesn't matter if the rest of the world is even more fucked up. So if the elites (world government, aliens, etc) keep things this way, the US is essentially okay. Regarding excessive money printing, it doesn't in the least affect the future generations, and for two good reasons

First, whatever insane amount of money gets printed, it is almost instantly balanced out by prices. Rising prices are a sort of knee-jerk reaction which resets the balance at a new level. And second, a new generation can just reset the currency itself (and start printing new money like never before)
2379  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin has no practical use and could be damaging to the economy! on: October 07, 2019, 06:43:33 PM
If you think on fact that people still use it besides these legal financial chanells that might have an effect like unregistered economy but that is so small percentage that actually doesn't have significant influence

And it is not given at all that such use necessarily hurts the economy

Indeed, I'm not talking about things like drugs, human trafficking, financial schemes and other nefarious activities involving payment with cryptocurrencies. These have an extremely ruinous effect on society irrespective of the currency used to facilitate them (and while we are at it, the use of cryptocurrencies is in fact quite minuscule compared to fiat use for the same purposes). That definitely goes without saying

On the other hand, though, if someone gets paid in crypto without paying any taxes while still contributing to the common good in general, the net effect for the society stays positive and welcome. Truth be told, it remains to be seen whether this effect would in fact be greater if all due taxes had actually been paid given how irresponsible and inefficient if not outright corrupt a government can be
More and more taxes makes the politicians more rich not the citizen that is the only reason people don't want to pay taxes,if everything spend for the good cause then people will come front and pay taxes by themselves

Governments are famous for their inefficiency and incompetence

And I'm not even speaking about being outright corrupt which is in fact quite common and widespread as history has proved it so many times (as in "when money talks bullshit walks"). The implication here is that if taxes were not taxes but rather direct payments for services rendered and goods provided, they, first, wouldn't be so high (as there wouldn't be a "third party" and thus no risks of inefficiency and incompetence), and, second, there would be less tax evasion, and for a good reason (actually, for two obvious reasons). People would be encouraged to pay such "taxes" as they would be just regular payments (read, you know what you pay for), and there would be less avenues and loopholes for deliberate tax evasion
2380  Economy / Gambling / Re: WOLF.BET - Provably fair dice game $1,000 Daily Race7-day streak bonus on: October 07, 2019, 05:38:40 PM
I even wanted to create a separate topic dedicated to it but didn't dare. While it definitely looks like the odds don't matter on their own (as far as the house edge is concerned), can the same be said in respect to variance? I mean would variance remain the same for both 1.01x and 9900x if you used these payouts in a hypothetic martingale setup?
I ask you a question.
Assume that you want to bet 10 Satoshi 10 million times. Which one is more profitable? 10 million times on 1.01x or 10 million times on 2x or 10 million times on 9900x?
In all three cases you wager 1 Bitcoin totally.
Do you agree that in all three cases you are expected to lose 0.01 bitcoin?

But this is not what I'm asking

My question is not about profitability. If we take your example (10 Satoshi 10 million times), we will see winning and losing streaks of 10 satoshi at each step. Obviously, with 1.01x you will see more winning streaks than losing ones and vice versa (it doesn't really matter). So, will variance in the length of, say, losing streaks remain the same for both of these options? To put it differently, we will inevitably see outliers (like 15 losses in a row for 1.01x) but will their regularity, i.e. how often they appear (if we measure them in some relative terms to make them comparable for different multipliers), be the same?

15 reds on 1.01x is almost impossible , even 5 in a row is extra rare , think the most I had  was 4 in a row ever
as for the variance , 1.01x gives you the worst , the best is 2x

Well, there is more to it (but thanks for the link, I will look into it)

Just 5 losses on 1.01x is a rare event, when 15 would be an extreme outlier no one has probably witnessed ever in the whole gambling history of the world (though who knows). But that's the whole thing about outliers that they are outliers, i.e. something which shouldn't happen but nevertheless does happen in real life, no matter what (read, statistically improbable is not the same thing as statistically impossible)

Further, if we calculate the odds of this highly unlikely event (like 15 losses on 1.01x) and then calculate back the losing streak for the 9900x multiplier, we would seemingly have two losing streaks very different in length though still having the same odds. But does it mean that such an outlier on 9900x will in fact be as likely as on 1.01x? Remember, these are outliers, i.e. they are not required to follow any rules per definition (otherwise it is not an outlier)
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