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2361  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: ETH Soon Back To Sub 1 Dollar on: July 25, 2016, 07:57:01 PM
After the DAO exploit ethereum has ben losing grounds. Now I don't trust it and many others are now seeking to find another coin or project that can offer the same features but without the same flaws

If you do not trust it any more, it is better to sell it and do not care about it and waste time in the forum.

That is right. Too many trolls in the Ethereum thread. If they do not agree with hard fork, they can spend some money to mine not to fork.

Some people are mining the old chain at the moment. But the hash rate is quite low. They can get a lot ether.

The old chain is still in tact ("Classic Ethereum"), and people mining on it may be able to get a lot of (Classic) Ethereum, but it is also virtually worthless by comparison to Eth, so not really very compelling.
2362  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: July 24, 2016, 12:41:34 PM
From my point of view, paper money will always be available , bitcoin or any virtual coin will not take their place, for the next 30 years at least.

Its happening as we speaks, currently people doesnt really use paper money anymore. There are things that we use nowadays, credit card , visa and debit therefore even if cryptocurrency wont be taking lead in providing the world's new monetary system but definitely we wont see paper money for too long now
There is in no way paper money is going to be extinct, since the production of paper money is always there everyday. Although people are using cards for doing their transactions, they still have their equivalents in paper money.

Yup and they are using cards only because they have paper money in their bank accounts, if they don't have fiat then those cards would be useless.
We should have both, paper money and bitcoin as they should go together. Bitcoin is still young and we need a lot of time to test this technology and how strong it is even if the crisis, for now we should rely on paper money and even if the next 20 years even if bitcoin is more develop that time.

I'll be interested to see what Bitcoin does in the next financial crisis. Everyone here seems to think it will become insanely valuable like gold, but I think it will have the opposite effect and decrease drastically in price due to the risky nature of holding it. In a crisis, there will be a flight from the most risky assets to the safest, and that means major outflows from Bitcoin.
2363  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: July 24, 2016, 12:36:58 PM
In the light of the current discussion on helicopter money, with known inflation consequences, it could be that bitcoins become the much more popular. With high inflation, as people start fleeing towards a safe currency which could be the bitcoin.


Well you are right people are looking for a safe currency which is going to give them convenience at all. And with paper money there are robbers that are going to hunt you down if you are going to hold a lot of money. But with bitcoin it is safe on your bitcoin wallet.

Yeah due to the robbers people try to stay with digital system, like bank cards etc, and if they will know about bitcoin and will know about its features they will start to love it and will adopt it for their uses and security.
I think it is still very difficult to use digital money, maybe there are still many places that do not provide it. paper money may still be used for prolonged periods of time because the most important reason is that people have become accustomed to using paper money, it may take a very long time so that people can understand about digital transactions

If you've ever bought anything with a credit card, you've used digital money. It's not hard at all. Most the transactions that take place in America are digital transactions.

Of course it is happening to places with a high technology. They can afford it. But still there are countries who dont trust on a credit card. They think if they have that kind of thing that they know they can use even if they dont have money yet, they might abuse it. And of course banks would love that. If you think about it, it is also a marketing strategy or a robbery.   Grin

Credit cards do not necessitate taking loans. It's advisable not to use a credit card if you can't pay for whatever you're buying in full. Anyway, swap out credit card in the above example with debit card and point remains that the vast majority of transactions that take place in our economy are already using electronic money.
2364  Economy / Speculation / Re: 350 USD in August on: July 24, 2016, 12:34:24 PM
It should 950 in august not 350!! The rally will start on the first week of august in my speculation. And it will last for 3 months.
it will be a party for everyone

At least you're honest about your statement being speculation. So many people who post here are convinced that their predictions are based on anything other than a wild guess, even though they post nothing to support their opinions. At least if you were posting a technical analysis based on trading volume, that would be one thing, but I've yet to see that. Everyone just spouts optimistic nonsense because they're praying for a higher price.
2365  Economy / Economics / Re: panic selling on: July 24, 2016, 12:29:09 PM
I really doubt bitcoin will get lower, it may drop to 600 dollars but those its normal as bitcoin is very volatil crypto currencie. I believe before the halving day people expected a huge price increase and those didnt happened, soo they may be trying to get out to avoid loose.

People who expected that don't know how markets work. Any price increase directly attributable to the halving happens weeks, and probably months, beforehand because markets are forward-looking. If you consider that the price more than doubled in the 10 or so months preceding the halving, I'd say that looks about right.

that is not how a normal market works, that is how a hyped up market where people do panic buy/sell works. in a normal market the price rise should happen "after" the halving and before it there will only be small rise because of the hype or whatever. but the real rise should happen after the halving and when the supply was diminishing because that is the real effect.

That is absolutely how a normal market works. You trade in the present on the expectation of future profits. That's how the stock market works, it's how bank deposits work, it's the very basis of capitalism. Markets are forward looking by nature. When people expect a price rise due to an event, it's logical and obvious that they trade ahead of that event to profit from it.
2366  Economy / Economics / Re: Sell Everything? on: July 23, 2016, 02:10:23 PM
Royal Bank of Scotland economists have urged investors to sell everything except high-quality bonds, warning of a “fairly cataclysmic year ahead.”

Writing in a client note dated Jan. 8, the bank’s European rates research team said that clients should be concentrating on return of capital, not return on capital, and that an ominous outlook to the world economy “all looks similar to 2008.”

The Key Points


  • The note is particularly bearish on China and global commodities, and predicts that oil could fall as low as $16 a barrel.
  • In a grim set of predictions, Andrew Roberts, head of European economics, rates & CEEMEA research said that the world has far too much debt to be able to grow well.
  • He also warned that advances in technology and automation are set to wipe out up to half of all jobs in the developed world.
  • The note says equities could fall 10% to 20%.
  • It predicts the year will be spent focusing on how to exit positions that have benefited from long-running QE, including emerging markets, credit and equities.

Source: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2016/01/12/rbs-warns-sell-everything/?mod=e2fbRBS

A 10 to 20% fall in equities certainly isn't a long shot. QE has produced a long run-up in stock prices, and on average, we see a market correction of 10% every two years and a 20% correction every five years. Still, the advice to "sell everything" seems a bit much.

What's interesting is that we did indeed have a fall in equities of 10%, as the analyst predicted, but we've since made it up and more. So if you sold everything in fear at the beginning of this year, you lost out.
2367  Economy / Economics / Re: panic selling on: July 22, 2016, 11:33:17 PM
I really doubt bitcoin will get lower, it may drop to 600 dollars but those its normal as bitcoin is very volatil crypto currencie. I believe before the halving day people expected a huge price increase and those didnt happened, soo they may be trying to get out to avoid loose.

People who expected that don't know how markets work. Any price increase directly attributable to the halving happens weeks, and probably months, beforehand because markets are forward-looking. If you consider that the price more than doubled in the 10 or so months preceding the halving, I'd say that looks about right.
2368  Economy / Speculation / Re: 350 USD in August on: July 22, 2016, 11:27:55 PM
Price is very stable right now, i don't think that something will change next month, at my opinion something big will happen in the end of September or at the start of October.
Exactly I have the same feeling that price will cross $1k mark by that time so I am not expecting any major price drop in next couple of months.

I am at the opposite side. My feeling is that it will slowly go to sub $600 for a while and stay there. But of course in time it will go up again and hopefully rise above $1000. But there has to be a stimulus that will cause a rise. My theory is a great financial crisis that is going to happen in the European Union will be the stimulus. Bitcoin will be considered and will be classified like gold where it will be a safe investment.

Financial crisis will tank the Bitcoin price. Nobody is going to flock to a risky, speculative asset when they're afraid of the future economic prospects. The only reason Bitcoin is doing "well" now (relative to where it has been) is because investor sentiment is flying high in the US. This fantasy that Bitcoin is going to hold value like gold in a financial crisis is foolish.
2369  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: July 22, 2016, 11:23:54 PM
In the light of the current discussion on helicopter money, with known inflation consequences, it could be that bitcoins become the much more popular. With high inflation, as people start fleeing towards a safe currency which could be the bitcoin.

Well you are right people are looking for a safe currency which is going to give them convenience at all. And with paper money there are robbers that are going to hunt you down if you are going to hold a lot of money. But with bitcoin it is safe on your bitcoin wallet.

Yeah due to the robbers people try to stay with digital system, like bank cards etc, and if they will know about bitcoin and will know about its features they will start to love it and will adopt it for their uses and security.
I think it is still very difficult to use digital money, maybe there are still many places that do not provide it. paper money may still be used for prolonged periods of time because the most important reason is that people have become accustomed to using paper money, it may take a very long time so that people can understand about digital transactions

If you've ever bought anything with a credit card, you've used digital money. It's not hard at all. Most the transactions that take place in America are digital transactions.
2370  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: July 22, 2016, 11:22:25 PM
Traditional money in the near future will lose its function universal means of payment and will be replaced by electronic money. The main difficulty rejection of coins and banknotes lies not in the level of technology and in human psychology.
In e-money has a number of advantages and disadvantages. Banks and other electronic payments, bills and small change than financial institutions are much cheaper and easier to operate. The development of e-commerce further accelerates the process of eliminating the traditional money.
In the future it could happen, I know digital currency or e-money will rule the world as it gives us the convenience to transact online, and it would be easy to trace our transaction but paper money will not be out in the circulation.
yeah it is possible that we will get some digital currency or e-money,but believe me,it wont be a bitcoin.
Humanity is not ready yet for such a change,and bitcoin is too young for it.We will have something else.

I think that will be bitcoin, as bitcoin is going to become more famous in the online world and going to be the master of all digital currencies. and if the governments would like to adopt any virtual currency then they will adopt bitcoin as bitcoin is ready-made currency for them and is more advanced.

That will never happen that government will adopt bitcoin as a primary currency replacing their own currency on which they have total control.

If the bitcoin can cut the cost of banking, banks will adopt the bitcoin and force governments to do that.

The "cost of banking" is the bank's profit margin, so is it your position that banks are going to adopt Bitcoin and cut themselves out of profit? Cuz that doesn't make much sense to me.
2371  Economy / Economics / Re: Why better tech can't kill Bitcoin on: July 21, 2016, 10:18:36 PM
Altcoin can't kill bitcoin because Altcoin price is dependent on Bitcoin price, in my opinion.  New  and advance tech would not and will not automatically kill the previous tech as long as the previous tech is functional and updated to catch up with the newest tech or even compete with it.  Bitcoin technology in the same manner is ever advancing to cope up with advancing threat of hacks and exploitation.  Another thing is Bitcoin had set it foundation as fortress that can't easily be taken down.

Although they often move in near-unison, they're not linked. Bitcoin is just the most well-known. When the value of btc rises, it raises the value of everything else too because part of the volume is based on trades between those two currencies. If Bitcoin disappeared, there would likely be another to take its place, it wouldn't be the end of crypto.
Altcoin is a different thing because it is independent with bitcoins but since bitcoin is more popular that is why it is mostly compared but with successful altcoins they are unique that is why the succeed, we will see great altcoins in the future when the crypto world will grow, all projects just needs to gain the trust of the investor in order for the altcoins to grow.

The inflationary period of Bitcoin (where new bitcoin's are created) will be over, however, mining will continue. It's just that at that point, the only thing being mined will be transaction fees.
2372  Economy / Speculation / Re: 350 USD in August on: July 20, 2016, 10:24:52 PM
With the price going to 350 over 90% of the miners will have to close shop, because the high difficulty vs the low reward 12.5 btc at the moment.
So no i don't see this happening, in a way it's crucial this doesn't happen.

That 90% figure is based on nothin and shouldn't be taken seriously. Plus, as more miners leave, the rest of them mine more profitably. The system reaches equilibrium far before 90% of the miners leave the market. 
2373  Economy / Speculation / Re: 350 USD in August on: July 20, 2016, 10:23:03 PM
350 USD in August or ever again for that matter. Btc is well recognised now.

All the stock indices are posting new high after new high. The market is an an upswing. When economic uncertainty rises, and it invariably will, the indices and the btc price will both come down. Not only is $350 not impossible, I'd say it's likely at some point in the future.
2374  Economy / Speculation / Re: 350 USD in August on: July 17, 2016, 12:18:24 AM
everyone can say that, but it is difficult to completely correct. although I do not think it will go down very quickly within a few weeks.
I hope that does not happen, and hope halving give the best effect, for at least the prices are rising or stable above $600

The bitcoin price will not go below $500. That is the near term bottom. The price will rise after consolidation.
If thats happened,then it would be great.
But i think we can go even further from 600. Maybe 900$ is the next stable price of.bitcoin.
price will rise because Bitcoin will still be scarce enough to be valuable. The price will never go below $600.

That is right. There is limited supply of the bitcoin. There will be some bitcoin lost every year as well.

how will be some bitcoins lost with the limited supply? the supply will not be limited with the reducing the number of available bitcoin, but the supply will be reduced because a number of miners will leave mining and they felt loss in mining.

That's not how mining works at all. Bitcoin's supply increases at a constant rate (minus halvings) regardless of how many miners there are. If there are 100 miners or 1000 miners, the number of coins produced is the same.
2375  Economy / Economics / Re: Why better tech can't kill Bitcoin on: July 13, 2016, 12:10:50 AM
Altcoin can't kill bitcoin because Altcoin price is dependent on Bitcoin price, in my opinion.  New  and advance tech would not and will not automatically kill the previous tech as long as the previous tech is functional and updated to catch up with the newest tech or even compete with it.  Bitcoin technology in the same manner is ever advancing to cope up with advancing threat of hacks and exploitation.  Another thing is Bitcoin had set it foundation as fortress that can't easily be taken down.

Although they often move in near-unison, they're not linked. Bitcoin is just the most well-known. When the value of btc rises, it raises the value of everything else too because part of the volume is based on trades between those two currencies. If Bitcoin disappeared, there would likely be another to take its place, it wouldn't be the end of crypto.
2376  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: July 12, 2016, 10:29:29 PM
Traditional money in the near future will lose its function universal means of payment and will be replaced by electronic money. The main difficulty rejection of coins and banknotes lies not in the level of technology and in human psychology.
In e-money has a number of advantages and disadvantages. Banks and other electronic payments, bills and small change than financial institutions are much cheaper and easier to operate. The development of e-commerce further accelerates the process of eliminating the traditional money.
In the future it could happen, I know digital currency or e-money will rule the world as it gives us the convenience to transact online, and it would be easy to trace our transaction but paper money will not be out in the circulation.

But even then, you're talking about e-money in a form controlled by the government. Our economy and banking system is largely electronic already, but the control of the supply is still down top-down, from the Federal Reserve and the banking institutions it oversees.
2377  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: I Don't Get It... on: July 12, 2016, 04:57:48 PM
The problem with faucets is that they generate bad traffic.
The real humans who visite those faucets, the just want the satoshis and do not care about ads.
And the many bots who visit faucets even care less about ads.
To me it makes no sense to advertise on faucets.

That's true of just about all advertising ever. I'll give you three examples:

1) Commercial websites. You go to CNN for news, not the ads; you use gmail for the service, not the ads placed in them. The ads just support the business of delivering news or e-mail.

2) People watching TV programs don't care about the ads, they just want the program. The value for the advertisers lies in the fact that people see the ads, regardless of whether they want to or not.

3) Nobody really cares to see or seeks out to see billboards on the side of the highway. There's usually never anything terribly interesting on them. However, that's valuable advertising space because so many people see them anyway.

In summary, advertising is a numbers game. The more eyeballs you deliver, the more valuable your advertising space is. Nobody wants to see the ads, but that's not terribly relevant. The only difference for faucets is so much traffic is generated by bots, and bots don't have eyes, therefore provide zero value to advertisers. This is why incentive-based traffic (like faucets) is prohibited by AdSense and other advertising networks.

But that has nothing to do with people not wanting to see the ads.
2378  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! on: July 12, 2016, 04:45:59 PM
Your losses? Grin You make 7-16btc daily with your dice game.
You said you pay up to 4btc daily for your users so you will still have 3-12btc profit every day.

Profits from the dice game are much lower, at the moment they only about cover the payouts.

Does this take into account overhead or how does this factor exactly? With a 5% house edge, and based on the number of rolls this site gets (which reduces variance and smoothes out user luck, which can be lumpy), shouldn't the profit margin on the dice game be relatively close to 5%?

We actually have a lot more variance than other dice websites because most of our users only make small bets and so a few high rollers can create a lot more ups and downs for the bankroll. However, things have been looking u the last couple of days.

That makes sense. So at this point, with ads off, is all the revenue the site generates then from people who deposit coins for the purpose of gambling?
2379  Economy / Speculation / Re: Good idea to buy bitcoins now? on: July 12, 2016, 02:15:28 AM
I do not know now the right time to buy or not. the current prices are quite stable. I do not know the current price is low or high prices. but halving not given the opportunity to pump yet

Stable prices are the best thing for bitcoin, but also, the community's definition of "stable" is extremely warped. People say that the price is stable when it trades in a $20 range for a week. Zoom out a bit and you will see that these periods of "stability" are always between highly unstable periods. The one constant for bitcoin is that the price is not stable. Has never been since inception, and I don't anticipate it becoming so in any meaningful way any time soon.
2380  Economy / Economics / Re: Sell Everything? on: July 12, 2016, 12:27:31 AM

$1k price is likely to achieve in this year and that is the  reason majority of users are holding their coins to sell when they see  that price, as halving will not show us more then $750 I guess.


If the mania over the halving didn't get the price to $1k, I don't see anything else this year acting as a catalyst to get there. The rally has petered out.
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