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23741  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Has anybody ever successfully double spent? on: December 31, 2014, 08:34:52 AM
There was a fork in the blockchain back in March 2013 I think, due to incompatibility between new and old versions of Bitcoin QT. During that period, I seem to remember there was a successful double spend against an exchange. The situation was dealt with very quickly and I think the double spend was reversed.

As far as I'm aware, there haven't been any major successful double spends of Bitcoin since then.

there have been no double spends of bitcoin.. EVER

there have been instances that services have given away DIFFERENT currencies multiple times, but there is no actual double spend of bitcoin. the fault is of service providers not interpreting transactions appropriately.

23742  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Google is blocking me from searching for terms that have Bitcoin in them. on: December 31, 2014, 02:34:18 AM
yep, proxies /tor is the cause.. many have complained about google bot checking tor IP's
23743  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The new wealthy elite world order on: December 30, 2014, 07:50:06 PM
comparing bitcoin to gold at all is just wrong.

bitcoin is an asset.

gold is:
commodity
product
asset
currency

thus totally different.

what you should do instead is treat bitcoin on its own merits.

for instance if the population of the world put just $100 in their entire lifetime to buy bitcoin, that would make todays circulation cap $700billion, not $4bill.
for instance if the population of the just USA put $100 in their entire lifetime to buy bitcoin, that would make todays circulation cap $31billion, not $4bill.
which is not much of a investment for everyone to commit to, but can cause a price increase beyond golds 1oz price

so lets make it a $1000 investment
it only needs half the population of just new york city to invest just $1000 ever, to get the $4bill cap
it only needs half the population of just london to invest just $1000 ever, to get the $4bill cap
this can be reworded to say that only a quarter of new york and quarter of london combined need to invest $1000 each..


so lets take this a step further.
with just 2 million people. all they need to invest is $2000 EVER to get todays market cap.

so imagine 4 million people=$8bill cap, 7million people (0.1% population)=$14bill cap

so now getting to my point. if only 1% of people just invested $2000.. not their life savings. not their entire retirement portfolio.. just $2k each. bitcoin would have a $140billion cap, which is a $10k / btc price..

so it does not need the elites to cause a pump and dump. and it doesnt need average joe to put all their eggs into one basket. so i still fail to see your worries
23744  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The new wealthy elite world order on: December 30, 2014, 07:20:02 PM
By putting up buy walls for those who are cutting losses and exiting (helping them),even if bitcoin price goes 1$ we are the new wealthy elite.

What does it mean to become a new wealthy elite? Sooner or later this will happen beacause bitcoin has revolutionary real world purposes.
What kind of world we would be living? How new wealthy elite rules the world? What kind of world order and laws? And purposes?  Smiley

until BTC is an equal competitor to prize of Gold/Oz on a pretty stable basis I dont see it ever being in competition with the worlds elite considering right now any one of the top 1% of worlds wealthiest people could buy every btc in existance and crash the market and not bat an eye to it

comparing bitcoin to an ounce of gold??
the amount of gold in circulation is about 174,000 tonnes or 6,137,676,000 ounces

so if you want a more fair comparison a bitcoin (with 13.662million in circ) makes 1 bitcoin equivelent to 449oz (based on a rarity scale)

so dont expect 1btc to be worth 449oz anytime soon (to be a fair comparison) but i have no idea why you think 1 bitcoin should be in correlation to 1oz.. there is just no statistic or reason to suggest a bitcoin should be compared to 1oz of gold.. it makes no sense, there is no logical reason for it.

as for saying anyone of the top 1% of the world wealthiest people could buy every BTC in existance and crash the market..

well that is a good thing.
initially to buy EVERY bitcoin, they would have to pay high prices, because as soon as these rich guys start buying. potential sellers will raise their prices as there is demand. and thus the very last btc ever to be bought by someone could fetch many many thousands of fiat..

and now average jo is fiat rich by finally giving in and selling their bitcoin to the rich for the high premium price.. the rich1% guys then tank the price when they sell..

guess what.. the new buyers will get cheaper coins thanks to the rich.

in short. if i sold my bitcoin for $10,000 because i chose to hang on as long as i could to my btc hoard untill they offered me a price i couldnt refuse.. id be a multimillionaire.

id wait till the rich 1%guys tank the price and then if it tanked to $1.. id buy up every btc i could get my hands on to know id have more BTC then i did before the rich guys done the pump and dump..

and so would other smart people, which would bring bitcoin back to stable levels again.

what you need to know is that bitcoin, no matter who owns it or who shouts out that it is bad or good, will be around for atleast 100 years, so no matter how many walls or pump and dumps are tried. each pump and dump will make someone on each side richer or poorer.. which in your case would be the top 1% richguys poorer due to buying coins off us lot at a nice premium.
23745  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bringing WoT to some use. on: December 28, 2014, 10:50:21 PM
although i knew for 2 years now that WOT could be faked with lots of fake user rep points.. this topic is proving it by giving away free positive rep, without anyone really using the service..

stuff like this ruins what was once known as accurate true reputation.. and will make people believe the rating systems even less. i think people should only rate each other when an actual transaction occurs.

that way people dont give bad rep on just opinion that a site is a porn site without using it

that way people dont give good rep on just opinion that a site is honourable without using it
23746  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why I doubt we'll ever go mainstream on: December 28, 2014, 06:16:42 PM
If the Winkle twins are able to get Wall Street involved, we could see a Chinese type boon all over again.

seems people like you only care about the price boom and not the usage boom...

i think anyone only thinking about the price has never left their basement to try talking their local grocer into accepting bitcoin..
and as such, those lazy a-holes that want other people to do the hard work while the a-holes make fiat profits.. dont deserve any such profits.

going mainstream is not about price rise, its about usage. so instead of arguing that bitcoin will or wont go mainstream or that the price will or wont rocket.. and simply go talk to your landlords, grocery stores and gas stations and get them to accept bitcoin.

after all if everyone does their part to ensure bitcoin usage in their own area, the end result is that all area's are covered.
23747  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Retina Scan Or Thumb Print Authorisation on: December 28, 2014, 05:37:58 AM
bitID is a good concept..

as for retina/fingerprint.. goodluck when you get cataracts or ur thumb gets mangled in a machine at work.

the solution is to only have junk change in webwallets/convenience wallets. and have your hard earned larger sums in cold store.
23748  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'm so tired of seeing the complaint on block confirmation times. Here's why. on: December 28, 2014, 05:34:54 AM
agreed 99% of Tx's dont really require confirms..

but for all of those that do need confirms.. they cry when they wait over 10 minutes.. but i have never ever seen them post when their TX's have taken them just a couple minutes to confirm due to fast hashing
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It isn't fast hashing, it is just luck.  I've had to sit around a BTC ATM machine an extra 30 minutes because hashes were coming through that were longer than 10 minutes.

not really luck.. in short if i hashed 1 number a minute and wanted an average 10 minute hash time.. each hash would be a number between 0 and 20..
10 times it would average below 10 minutes.. 10 times it would average over 10 minutes.. but on average.. you will get a 10 minute hashtime when repeated the process a few thousand times..

its not lucky that a block is found in 1 minute or unlucky if it too 19 minutes.. its all based on maths, not luck. so its just a standard feature of randomness that some take alot of time some take very little time.

but i do laugh that you complain about 30 minutes, whilst a western union takes much longer. and then for instance trying to get paypal or apple pay to transfer money to your bank and then to a FIAT ATM... even longer..
23749  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why I doubt we'll ever go mainstream on: December 28, 2014, 05:13:07 AM
I watched that clip from letterman where he interviewed Bill Gates and everyone laughed at his visions of the Internet. Well the difference with Bitcoin is that since it's not centralised and therefore can't be controlled by the goverment (neither directly or through companies), leading it to the masses will be much more difficult.
when bill gates done the letterman interview, the internet was very centralised. AOL owned the majority stake.. it was not until the internet became less centralised with other companies popping up as ISP's did the internet truly expand beyond belief.

In my country, in fact at my very own bank, news stories have been published that people have lost access to their bank accounts due to BTC withdrawals. This is a kind of barrier that might be rather difficult to push through and try to get the rest of society to embrace. Aren't we basically saying here that in order to win over the banks we'll have to make BTC so big that they can't ignore it (or rather, their businesses will die if this happens...like in an revolution against the system)? Considering how much we rely on banks today I'd say it's an extremely heavy resistance we're facing.
when people realise that they can hold wealth and operate without a bank account (bitcoins true purpose) then those smart people will adopt bitcoin. it wont be until a few years before general public are ready for bitcoin.. we are still in the innovation stage after all.. so relax.

And on the same note, it BTC goes up to $10,000 tomorow would you still hold? IF you'd sell I'd argue this only strengthens the theory that we're in for one hell of an upphill battle. I mean even if we, the people on this forum who generally seems to be extremely anti-banks, praise anonymity and so forth would cash out.

anyone looking at the bitcoin price more then once a day/week are not the anti-bank population. the ones that even care about a $10k bitcoin are the ones that are only in bitcoin for a get fiat rich scheme.. and to be honest. ill be glad to see them go.

I find it very unlikely to wake up one day, turn on the TV (or something like it) and hear the mainstream media praising Bitcoin.
Why? Because:
1. Mainstream media is centralised (=can be controlled by the government). Why would for example USA ever wish to push BTC (which they can't control) before the dollar? IMO we'd need a fully decentralised mass media for this to happen. Meaning if you sit down and talk with your family at the end of the day, and everyone are talking about the same big news, this news would have been delivered by decentralised (but still trustworthy) sources. This is of course already happening a bit, people hear about things on Twitter etc but then again those are privately owned companies driving this movement of alt news sources.
media not positive about bitcoin? are you sure???
http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2013/12/10/ron-paul-bitcoin-currency-dollar-fed.cnnmoney/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqN6n9_xVgw
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/11138581/Bitcoin-will-become-the-new-gold.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/11138905/Bill-Gates-Bitcoin-is-exciting-because-it-is-cheap.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28816975

plus hundreds more..

2. Mainstream media only has room for simple "truths" that are easy to digest without too much thinking. BTC is not simple but quite nuanced and gray. It's neither "good or evil". Compare this to say computers or FB which almost everyone would say are fantastic inventions.

when talking about computers no one gos into details to explain what gigaherts, ram, HDD, quad-core truly means
when talking about money no one talks about the cotton paper or the ISO numbers of the inks or the fabrication methods


And whenever something bad/illegal happens on say FB it can be tracked down, removed etc. This way the service itself (which took action) is not to blame but the actual user who did it. But with BTC it's a bit different because we can't single out users like that as easily.

trendon shavers - in court
mark kerpeles - in court
ross ulbricht - in court
charlie shrem, btcking - in court
the other heists like the bitcoinica, intersango.. well we all know its amir taaki.
now tell me how many bankers have been pt in court if bank note fraud is such easier to audit???

If an exchange is hacked then you'll read "Bitcoin Hacked!". I believe this phenomenon isn't only tied with ignorance but also the fact that the BTC service can in fact be misused with zero consequence. Meaning it's Bitcoin's fault...Bitcoin was hacked. See the simple logic going on here? No one's responsible.

no one is respobsible for gold thefts either.. for far too long people have been reliant on banks.. but how often have banks forclosed on people, how often have banks closed accounts. how often have credit cards been declined..

How could this issue be solved? To expand on this, Bitcoin can as we all know be used to do "bad" things. Yes so can fiat but remember it is the Internet we're talking about as well and tor networks are (at least currently) more tangible and easier to try to hunt down than say two people meeting up in a back alley somewhere. The Internet also allows people to do illegal things on a much bigger and global scale than ever before. It's hard to see how these facts could be ignored by the mass media. But again, perhaps if everything is completely decentralised it'd work. An alternative "twist" to this would be to say well this issue of trust, usabillity, responsibility (if a user is stupid/hack occurs) can be solved by letting services like say bitpay handle all mainstream transactions. But...then we're going back to cecentralisation aren't we? People say don't use Online wallets which is out of your control but IF BTC can go mainstream aren't most people going to use this exact method of storing their value? Which would go completely against the concepts of not needing a third party to overlook everything.

its already happening now, that normal DUMB users are using webwallets for small convenient daily spend amounts.. even some of the big smart players are too. but then keeping the long hoard stuff backed up offline. that is going to be the nature of bitcoin . just like the nature of all currencies..

to have a little bit of junk change in your pocket to spend today, but secure your main savings separately. so relax its happening

Summary:
I believe Bitcoin might be too smart and disruptive of a technology for it's own good. Or at least to be able to be digested by the mainstream.
I'm starting to think the future of BTC might still be "underground" but still successful, like in poker/gambling sites, adult content or other services where anonymity is naturally sought after. Disagree? Why?

bitcoin is not smart or too disruptive.. its just code. it has no voice.. what you have to realise is that we are still in the innovator stage where a high percentage of users are geeks trying to show off. thus the limited PR that gets sent out, is usually spun out with all the scientific lingo..
when normal people start adopting bitcoin and the early main adopter phase begins, you will see less talk about the technical aspects and more about the simple 'features and benefits' just like no one talks about how many bolts and welding spots it took to put a car together, they just tell customers about the leather seats and top speed.
23750  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: call for suggestions on oversight and constitution on: December 28, 2014, 01:33:31 AM
small minded, unprepared speaches...

doesnt seem like your doing well before you have even started..

for one.. your 10k quote of civil servants. is narrow minded, thanks for admitting u are american and cant see past the coastline of your country, to be able to see the GLOBAL picture.

also for a "constitution" there needs to be more than just a currency with arbitrators of claims.. their needs to be other services and sectors to ensure a full loop economy and community.. so dont compare yourself to paypal customer service department by saying arbitrators.. instead think of all public service roles and stuff.. think proper economy/community stuff if your even gonna try using big words like constitutions and oversight..

oh and to correct your numbers, in regards to just money management and forgeting public services.. and ill do you a favour and limit it to just USA,...

there are over 140,000 debt collectors in america....
23751  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: call for suggestions on oversight and constitution on: December 28, 2014, 01:06:32 AM
a constitution should never be based on money.. it should just be as simple as

"your free to do whatever your biologically capable of, as long as it does no cause harm or loss to anyone else"

oversight should just be warning messages to get people to check their trust with the other party. if you start making rules. and become the administrator of them rules.. then you become accountable and trust me, unless u have 100,000 employee's to administer every rule broken and be the mediator between the parties.. it wont work.

the key point is to make everyone accountable for their own actions rather than having to rely on third parties.

that being said..

you can put as many motto's as you like into your slogans, and create alot of media awareness and glossy videos talking about constitutions.. but in the end.. ur currency needs to be different and of benefit to users to not be just another pump and dump altcoin..

if you have wasted your time creating an altcoin before even thinking up your mantra (i presume to be ur constitution) then i already see your failure in management and ultimate failure in the coin.

23752  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is not a currency and this is why. on: December 27, 2014, 06:07:10 PM
bitcoin is still a currency coz it can be used in paying or sending money to someone

so by your definition paypal and western union are currecny as these can be used to pay for things and send value to someon

paypal and western union are not currency.. they are just money services businesses.. the currency that western union and paypal "service" is fiat,.,,,,, and its the fiat that is the currency..

a person, computer, business that does the transfering is not the currency... the item/product/data being transfered IS. for instance if i was to give u $10.. does that make me the currency.. no.. i just hold/and transfer the currency without being the currency myself..

so paypal/WU are not currencies. they are just holding/exchange SERVICES

bitcoin the protocol (software GUI) is not a currency, it is a service.
bitcoin the blockchain ledger signed transaction is the currency.

it does not matter for what reason bitcoins are being swapped. or by whom they are being swapped with.. as long as a collective of a few people atleast treat bitcoins as having a value then it becomes a currency.

anything can be a currency as long as people agree it has a value and an ability to swap between different owners
23753  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: just looked at the pie. How come ghash.io collapsed? on: December 27, 2014, 05:54:03 PM
1. china's rule concerning bitcoin (more precisely lack of rule) this year to not be soo hard on bitcoin allowed china to expand its mining farms
2. the prize percentages for miners shares is better on discus
3. alot of people are seeing that GHASH.io rig renting (cloud mining) is expensive
4. china has 1.3billion population. america/eurupe combined is not even half that. so even if 0.002% of world population is into bitcoin.. the scales are more in favour of china.

5. think up several other theories, that have some small form of possibilities.. then add them p to form a theory that not one single cause is to blame, but a combination
6. speculate further....
23754  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Probability of Next Block Within 10 Minutes on: December 27, 2014, 05:16:21 PM
It's a Poisson process, with a mean of 10 minutes. So...

What is the probability that the next block will be found within 10 minutes from now?
63.212%

Or within 1 minute?
9.516%

Or 10 seconds?
1.653%

Or 1 second?
0.167%

23755  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Update on VAT case in EU Court of Justice on: December 27, 2014, 04:26:43 PM
american sales tax vs european VAT are 2 different things..

in america sales tax is meant for anything sold.

in europe VAT is for anything that's become more valuable since its initial creation.

EG potato's dont have VAT, but if a supermarket had a restaurant and cooked the potato's put them on a plate offering a knife and fork, then basically people will perceive that potato to be worth more due to the extra work put into it. thus VAT is added to a cooked meal at a restaurant.

you can buy raw gold VAT free. but as soon as its shaped into something special again VAT is added.

in short look at what VAT stands for "VALUE ADDED TAX" and then think to yourself, what value is being added simply by selling raw bitcoins. the only time i can consider there to ever be VALUE added. is if the bitcoins are sold at a premium due to being in a casasius coin or novelty printed bitcoin bearerbond.

if you ever got charged VAT for selling dollars to euros or euros to pounds, then and only then would anyone consider bitcoin to be in the same situation to be in the scope of VAT. but its not.

i do hate it when people that dont even understand what VAT truly means, tries to suggest that in some manner VAT should be taken for simply swapping currencies
23756  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Give me your best sales pitch why I should buy your PoS coin. on: December 27, 2014, 04:04:47 PM
altcoin motto "buy before the pump, else you gotta dump"
23757  Other / Off-topic / Re: What should I do with my domain "bitcoinedelic.com" ? on: December 27, 2014, 04:31:57 AM
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caption. "free your mines" (wordplay: minds)
23758  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'm so tired of seeing the complaint on block confirmation times. Here's why. on: December 26, 2014, 06:06:58 PM
agreed 99% of Tx's dont really require confirms..

but for all of those that do need confirms.. they cry when they wait over 10 minutes.. but i have never ever seen them post when their TX's have taken them just a couple minutes to confirm due to fast hashing
23759  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is not a currency and this is why. on: December 26, 2014, 05:52:24 PM
I always see Bitcoin as a precious commodity, like an electronic version of gold. It can be used for payment but I never thought its suited well for that.

gold (the commodity) is used to be melted down and used to make products.

gold (the asset) is a store of value.. like the federal reserve use to have vaults full of it. not for production but for the purpose of value storage

commodities are items that are used in production. beef= nice beef burgers. wheat=bread oil=car fuel.. get my point?

so please will people realise bitcoin is not a commodity.. its an asset.

and anything in the world should a few people choose to use it as such, can use anything as a currency.. so bitcoins full description is an asset based currency
23760  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is not a currency and this is why. on: December 26, 2014, 02:26:32 AM
lets clarify points mis-understood by previous posts. especially the OP.

currency can be anything. cigarettes in prison, vodka for favours in russia, etc. so currency so not a sustainable loop. currency includes products, favours, money, stocks, shares, commodities, property, assets, etc...

a sustainable loop is a small segment of the umbrella category of currency. and the OP should realize this small segment he talks about is 'money', thus the OP's topic should be that 'bitcoin is not money and this is why'

before the rebuttles come in.. money is not limited to FIAT (federally owned monetary currency) or legal tender or whatever.. money is the main sustainable currency used in any economy no matter who rules it, who owns it or how its used.

now lets move onto commodities.. as i hate that silly misconception.. bitcoin is not tangible or intrinsic (keywords of commodities), bitcoin however is in the realm of being an ASSET currency...

now with that said. bitcoin is a currency, its an asset currency, but it has not got to the point of being treated as money...... yet!
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