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2381  Economy / Gambling / Re: WOLF.BET - Provably fair dice game $1,000 Daily Race7-day streak bonus on: October 07, 2019, 11:30:56 AM
If you run 10 million bets on 1.01x, your average losing streak will be equal to 1 since it can't be equal to 0 by definition and it still can't be greater than 1 plus some small fraction since the chances of winning are pretty high.
Every thing is possible. I myself lost 3 times in a row while the odds was 1.01x

That's called an outlier

Well, 3 times in a row on 1.01x may not be what a real outlier would look like (since something like 10 and more would be one such) but if such things are happening more often on 1.01x than on 9900x (normalized to some metric to allow for valid comparison of the frequencies) or vice versa, that would make a dramatic difference. From what I read about other people's experiences and what I come to think myself, the higher the multiplier (payout), the more you are exposing yourself to the impact of outliers
2382  Economy / Gambling / Re: WOLF.BET - Provably fair dice game $1,000 Daily Race7-day streak bonus on: October 07, 2019, 10:46:27 AM
My question is not about profitability. If we take your example (10 Satoshi 10 million times), we will see winning and losing streaks of 10 satoshi at each step. Obviously, with 1.01x you will see more winning streaks than losing ones and vice versa (it doesn't really matter). So, will variance in the length of, say, losing streaks remain the same for both of these options? To put it differently, we will inevitably see outliers (like 15 losses in a row for 1.01x) but will their regularity, i.e. how often they appear (if we measure them in some relative terms to make them comparable for different multipliers), be the same?

You are right about losing streaks. There is no doubt probability of losing 15 times consecutively is much lower when you wager on 1.01x

Okay, I will try a different approach to convey what I'm particularly curious about

If you run 10 million bets on 1.01x, your average losing streak will be equal to 1 since it can't be equal to 0 by definition and it still can't be greater than 1 plus some small fraction since the chances of winning are pretty high. On the other hand, if you bet on 9900x, the length of your losing streak on average can be like 1000 (I don't really know, it's just a hunch and a number to show what I mean). But neither average tells us anything about outliers. Is the frequency of outliers normalized to some common denominator (i.e. variance or deviation from the mean) going to be the same for these two multipliers? That's what interests me so much
2383  Economy / Gambling / Re: WOLF.BET - Provably fair dice game $1,000 Daily Race7-day streak bonus on: October 07, 2019, 09:20:48 AM
I even wanted to create a separate topic dedicated to it but didn't dare. While it definitely looks like the odds don't matter on their own (as far as the house edge is concerned), can the same be said in respect to variance? I mean would variance remain the same for both 1.01x and 9900x if you used these payouts in a hypothetic martingale setup?
I ask you a question.
Assume that you want to bet 10 Satoshi 10 million times. Which one is more profitable? 10 million times on 1.01x or 10 million times on 2x or 10 million times on 9900x?
In all three cases you wager 1 Bitcoin totally.
Do you agree that in all three cases you are expected to lose 0.01 bitcoin?

But this is not what I'm asking

My question is not about profitability. If we take your example (10 Satoshi 10 million times), we will see winning and losing streaks of 10 satoshi at each step. Obviously, with 1.01x you will see more winning streaks than losing ones and vice versa (it doesn't really matter). So, will variance in the length of, say, losing streaks remain the same for both of these options? To put it differently, we will inevitably see outliers (like 15 losses in a row for 1.01x) but will their regularity, i.e. how often they appear (if we measure them in some relative terms to make them comparable for different multipliers), be the same?
2384  Economy / Gambling / Re: Email SCAM: "receive Free Bitcoin and Ethereum With Bitcasino" on: October 07, 2019, 08:14:39 AM
I cant believe that in 2019 people still got scammed by e-mail... I thought it was an era of y2k.

How can scammers have a list of "pre-defined group of players" ? Did they have a man "inside" Bitcasino? What do you think ?

Even in year 2030 people will still fall for those scams. They would have stopped the scamming already if no one trapped in it.

They just send it to 1000's of users and if just 1% are trapped they keep doing it.

These are called phishing attacks and gamblers / online users need to be aware of it. When we receive an email, we should verify its source and the sender. Usually there is little different in domain names which can be noted if we carefully see the email id. The scammers know that there are people who will believe the email is real and will act upon it without any verification

This seems to be a different case

The sender was authentic because emails came from a legit source which had been hacked (at least, as far as domain names are concerned). In this manner, it is not a typical phishing attack (if at all) as you would find no difference in domains. That likely explains why people fell victim to this attack as they saw that the source was authentic but they didn't expect it to be compromised (hacked). Really, if you trust the casino with your money, you would trust emails received from them unless they ask you something which they explicitly made clear in advance that they would never ask under any circumstances
2385  Economy / Gambling / Re: WOLF.BET - Provably fair dice game $1,000 Daily Race7-day streak bonus on: October 07, 2019, 07:30:42 AM
In the long term, there is no difference between betting on 1.01x and betting on 2000x.
As long as the house edge is 1%, you lose 1% of the total amount you wager. The odds doesn't matter in the long term

This is the kind of question which has been bothering me lately

I even wanted to create a separate topic dedicated to it but didn't dare. While it definitely looks like the odds don't matter on their own (as far as the house edge is concerned), can the same be said in respect to variance? I mean would variance remain the same for both 1.01x and 9900x if you used these payouts in a hypothetic martingale setup?

In more mundane terms, are outliers going to happen equally frequently (infrequently) in both of these cases? This is important. Statistically, variance should also be the same as long as the bets are truly random, but practically, it may be different due to various physical factors involved which make the outcomes not so random

You may try try yourself with few hundreds/thousands doge to test the race and wager as much as you can to be eligible for the prize

With so little amount it's not going to pan out. I've been doing that for a few months already (since July, to be exact). And guess what? I'm in the second hundred (and never made it to the top ten)
2386  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Bitcoin and casinos on: October 06, 2019, 10:13:44 AM
I think it is actually possible to have such casinos were one will pay using bitcoin in physical casino, but think about those waiting time due to slow network confirmation

Personally, I don't think it would be an issue

In regular, bricks-and-mortar casinos you don't play with your cash anyway. The point is, if such a casino were to enable cryptocurrency gambling, they would most certainly require you to deposit a few bitcoins before you are even allowed to enter the casino's premises ("proof of wealth"). Well, it is essentially the same process as with online casinos where you are required to top up your balance before you can start playing. So, this is not an issue really

What is an issue, though, is the fact that there is no demand from the gambling public for Bitcoin land-based casinos as this public can easily gamble at home without moving their ass, or exchange their bitcoins to fiat if they wanted to visit a regular casino, Las Vegas style and flair, hookers and all
2387  Economy / Economics / Re: Money Is Political, Not Technical on: October 06, 2019, 09:19:33 AM
If anything, it is politicians who determine the economic policy of a country and ultimately its fate, not economists. Politics has the upper hand in the economic matters, and to prove that is in fact pretty easy. Most wars turn out an economic disaster for the belligerent countries (it has been so for millenia), while the questions of peace and war are in the hands of a few people who may not have a damn clue about economics and how the economy works. In other words, it remains to be seen whether political decisions are actually aimed at strengthening the economic conditions of a country as it may well be to the contrary

Could those people actually end up having economic benefits from wars? Direct of indirect benefits?

This is certainly possible

Ultimately, it all depends on how successful these people are at warfare and ensuing dominion (remember, the winner takes it all, the loser's standing small). The most conspicuous example of this kind is the Roman Empire (first Republic, or how it was called before it became an empire). It led quite a number of successful wars through which it expanded its territory manifold and promoted economic wellbeing of its citizens

And when it finally collapsed, it was mostly due to internal corruption and discord, not wars of conquest as such. As a matter of fact, the Roman Empire even began to shrink near the end of its rule as it was no longer able to protect its lengthy borders due to continual economic and political failure of the state (e.g. Romans withdrew from Britain in the late 4th century about a hundred years prior to the fall of Rome herself)

Centralization of power and situation where economic operators are dependent on government to operate creates situations of monopolies, corruption, etc...

Well, technically, centralization of power doesn't necessarily mean centralization of economy through monopolies, etc. Although such centralization definitely creates certain incentives, you may still have a kind of monarchy with a properly decentralized economy
2388  Economy / Economics / Re: On stablecoins on: October 06, 2019, 08:00:52 AM
Whether withdrawing to Tether is of any use to you personally depends on your use case

Indeed, if you want to purchase something, then withdrawing to Tether doesn't make a lot of sense unless your seller is willing to accept tethers. But this is not what tethers and, more broadly, stable coins (both centralized and decentralized) are used for. There are two major uses for stable coins. The first is to effortlessly move funds between exchanges without exposing yourself to volatility, while completely bypassing the banking system as a nice bonus of sorts. And the second use is about preserving the dollar value of your cryptocurrency stash without exposing yourself to third party risks (that mostly refers to stable coins based on cryptocurrencies like DAI)

Many thanks for the very detailed explanation. I guess Tether won't be of much use for me, because I don't move my assets from one exchange to another very often. And I don't care much about volatility, as I always measure my assets in terms of BTC (and not in terms of USD). I guess this is one of the advantages of being a long-term holder, rather than being a cryptocurrency trader

You're welcome too!

This also proves why the government restrictions on the cryptocurrency trading is not very successful. The cryptocurrency users are always one step ahead of the government, and they have made use of the loophole by using stablecoins instead of fiat cash. The only thing that should concern these users is the frequent hacks targeting the cryptocurrency exchanges. There is always a chance of someone hacking the exchange and stealing the user funds

This issue, i.e. third party risks, can also be alleviated to a degree

It is called hedging, and I explained how it works on numerous occasions already (even in this very thread). In fact, you can use hedging not only for reducing your risks in this realm (i.e. someone hacking the exchange and stealing the money) but pretty much as an effective and efficient substitute for stable coins themselves (though it is not applicable to every exchange out there). In essence, hedging allows you to kill two birds with one stone (and then pick up that stone for further bird shooting)
2389  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A cryptocurrency entirely dedicated to GAMBLING? on: October 06, 2019, 07:34:02 AM
for gambling, I think altcoin is better because coins are cheaper and also have a very small fee compared to BTC. Gambling profit results using altcoin are exchanged for BTC, this I do as the final thing after gambling.
Since you are calculating about fees then altcoin is better rather than btc to avoid high transaction fees. There is also multiple gambling sites who are accepting different Altcoins for gambling. So it's become bit easier to play with altcoin as well. But there is fear of dump when you are playing with alts. Because if your alts dump hugely then you will get nothing even you are winner on the gambling. So obviously you have to choose potential alt coin which is not much volatilities. Then most likely you will be gainer from both sides

Dogecoin is that coin, absolutely

It may seem as something unimportant or insignificant, but Dogecoin is certainly one of the top cryptocurrencies out there with most real life adoption, even if this adoption is only about gambling. It is cheap as dirt which means you can build pretty sophisticated martingale strategies with it, and it is extremely fast as far as transaction speeds are concerned. Nowadays its price is pretty stable in dollar terms (for an altcoin) and doesn't depend too much on the overall cryptomarket volatility:



In simple words, if you are looking for an altcoin to bet with, don't look any further
2390  Economy / Reputation / Re: List of banned participants in the Cryptotalk Campaign on: October 05, 2019, 07:44:29 PM
Whether it be in the same thread/post or multiple threads one after the other. There are a few rare users who can post one post after the other and it be constructive but in most cases that's not the case

That's not the only possibility

For example, you are being post limited, i.e. only a certain number of posts per day is counted (like 20 for the campaign in question) but you feel like you can post more for that day (and probably less for the next), so you compose your posts today for different threads and post them one after another tomorrow (so there's nothing even remotely resembling a world record in doing that)

And every post you thus submit contains a constructive reply or detailed explanation on some interesting and important topic (read, no shit posting). Indeed, you can stretch them out (what you should normally do), but would that count as burst posting if you don't? Just curious (don't shoot the messenger)
2391  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Margin trading. Where to start? on: October 05, 2019, 06:16:03 PM
Margen trading is so tentative if you are a good trader but i suggest you that you use only a margen trading in forex or stock market because crypto is very volatile and its very hard to predict what will gonna happen in the future. This is just my suggestion but in the end you are the one responsible with your actions so think it carefully before doing it.

On the one hand, this type of business has many pluses. However, margin trading has another side. Exchanges do not sufficiently disclose the risky side of cryptocurrency trading with leverage. Inexperienced traders, who watched several videos on YouTube, are led to this and give their last money, wishing to double it soon.

The result is quite the opposite, and they lose not only their savings but also get into debt.

Investing in cryptocurrencies is as risky on its own

And I'm not sure about the debt part. How are you supposed to get in debt by margin trading? In the worst case scenario your position gets forcefully liquidated which might potentially lead to a complete loss of balance, though not necessarily as you could just have insufficient collateral to keep your current margin positions open (for example, when price moves against you). Honestly, this is the first time I hear you could get in debt with margin trading (unless you mean something else, of course)

I think there is a risk to go in debt with margin trading when you are a trader and you manage investor's money. Then somehow you lose everything and they put you in debt until you return money.
For sure it is rare case, but this is the only thing coming up into my mind

But why would anyone want to trust an inexperienced trader with her milk and honey, so to speak?
2392  Economy / Economics / Re: On stablecoins on: October 05, 2019, 02:40:12 PM
That these so-called stable coins are just a crappy substitute for fiat, with fiat being a better option if you want to pull out.
All right, I guess you just answered my question then.  I hear so much about them that I've often wondered what the big deal is.  Their trading volumes are higher than btc if I'm not mistaken, but that makes sense if there are pairs of crypto that trade with USDT or another stable coin.  I wouldn't assume that any trader really wants to own any of the stable coins for the long term

You're welcome, bro

The problem with stable coins is that they are not tested in extreme market conditions yet. That mostly refers to stable coins based on cryptocurrencies since we don't really know how stable they are going to be when the underlying cryptocurrency loses like 90% of its value overnight (or just fast enough). In other words, putting your entire wealth in one such coin is like playing with dynamite. If things go massively awry, you are likely to fare a lot better in the long run if you just keep the underlying cryptocurrency (say, Ethereum)

The case with centralized stable coins like Tether seems to be pretty obvious on its own as the stability of these coins depends entirely on the company issuing them (read, whether they are in fact backed up by anything). And as recent events have shown (I refer to Bitfinex "borrowing" dollars backing up tethers, which effectively meant that the latter were only partially backed up by the former), third parties cannot be trusted in these matters because it is only a matter of time till they start to abuse people's trust in them
2393  Economy / Economics / Re: On stablecoins on: October 05, 2019, 01:22:41 PM
I don't really understand the purpose in having all these stable coins. If you don't like the volatility of the cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin and Ethereum, then just convert your coins to fiat currency. Why bother converting them to stablecoins such as USDT or TUSD?

The answer is easy

If you convert your cryptocurrencies to fiat (like dollars or whatever), you may have to pay hefty fees trying to withdraw the fiat proceeds (and wait for days until you receive the funds). But with centralized stable coins, say tethers, you can completely bypass the fiat system (read, banks and all that pain in the ass that comes with them) and move your tethers either to your Tether account (or how it is called) or to another exchange where they are accepted. Essentially, these coins are working like fiat while without making use or having to use the banking system (under whatever name)

But withdrawing to Tether is of no use, right? If I want to purchase something, and I need fiat currency for that, then obviously I need to cash out these Tether tokens using any of the exchanges or peer2peer platforms. And once again, this process is going to cause unwanted delays. The conversion to Tether will be adding another unnecessary layer and the delay associated with it

Whether withdrawing to Tether is of any use to you personally depends on your use case

Indeed, if you want to purchase something, then withdrawing to Tether doesn't make a lot of sense unless your seller is willing to accept tethers. But this is not what tethers and, more broadly, stable coins (both centralized and decentralized) are used for. There are two major uses for stable coins. The first is to effortlessly move funds between exchanges without exposing yourself to volatility, while completely bypassing the banking system as a nice bonus of sorts. And the second use is about preserving the dollar value of your cryptocurrency stash without exposing yourself to third party risks (that mostly refers to stable coins based on cryptocurrencies like DAI)
2394  Economy / Gambling / Re: Email SCAM: "receive Free Bitcoin and Ethereum With Bitcasino" on: October 05, 2019, 11:16:19 AM
How can scammers have a list of "pre-defined group of players" ? Did they have a man "inside" Bitcasino? What do you think?

There was no such man (and need not have been)

As explained in the first posts of the thread, the casino had been using a third party email service. That means, first, they ("the third party") knew the email addresses of the players (as all emails were going through them), and, second, the emails sent to these players were technically authentic as they were coming from legit BitCasino addresses (read, it was not some typical phishing stuff you see every other day). Hacking the email provider allowed the hackers to look and feel like they were the real casino
2395  Economy / Economics / Re: The re-accumulation period is in on: October 05, 2019, 07:24:19 AM
4) OTC options like Bakkt are ready for boomers and computer illiterates which want exposure to Bitcoin but have no resources to keep their own

I always thought Bakkt was for institutional investors

Indeed, you can say that fund managers are computer illiterate as well as some of them boomers but that's likely not what you actually meant. It seems you can't reliably expect a surge in the influx of institutional investors (like pension funds) until they are officially allowed to invest the money they manage (including the money coming from these two cohorts) in cryptocurrencies. And we are not there yet (at least, as far I know)
2396  Economy / Economics / Re: Taxless society idea on: October 05, 2019, 06:26:54 AM
1) But aren't humans social beings?.... But society can do pretty well on its own since quite a few had existed long before both governments and taxes came about

2) Indeed, it is valid to ask that we may in fact need a form of government at a certain point in the development of human civilization, but given that we didn't have such a need before (in prehistorical times), there is no plausible reason to think that we will always need it in the future (along with taxes)

3) It is not the taxes themselves which are at the root of the evil but rather how they are collected and spent that people disagree with

1) I might've mixed up things, what I meant to say is that the country as a whole. But isn't it given that a society is being led by someone(?), thus making it a government(?)

Actually, you could say that

And call it a proto-government, leadership, or whatever. But it naturally (as opposed to being forced) comes about only when there is a need for that, i.e. when a certain society becomes too big and complex, making solving issues directly by the consensus prohibitively expensive in terms of effort and time. Thus, they are solved by a group of selected individuals ("government") who are delegated such authority by the consensus. I don't consider the case when this authority is taken by force as we have assumed that it should be natural ("self-inflicted"), not imposed

2) So you're saying that in the future, government and tax will not matter in the future(?) How so? Are we talking about Post-Apocalypse here?

No, I definitely didn't mean the Mad Max scenario

What I meant could be loosely construed as a government-less society, technically, a form of anarchy (but without the lawlessness of the latter). This is mostly a theoretical construct still. No government means no taxes, i.e. what counts as taxes now could then be just a regular price for a service just like any other service out there
2397  Economy / Economics / Re: Can Libra Disrupt The Financial/Economic System? on: October 04, 2019, 05:05:23 PM

If anything, it is the government that will get the first-hand access to all this wealth of personal information. So why should they resist if only for this reason alone?

How will the government get hold of all that personal information? Laws are in place that prevent them accessing it

Well, I'm not sure about those laws at all

As far as I understand it, the laws which are in place do not only fail to prevent the government from accessing this sensitive information but explicitly allow such access for special services (which are part of the government, by the way). Indeed, specific laws and their scope may be different across various jurisdictions, but generally, you wouldn't really expect those writing these laws to limit themselves in so important matters (see Patriot Act for one such example). In simple terms, do you really think that the US government (represented by whatever alphabet agency) doesn't have access to Facebook servers and their contents, digital or otherwise?
2398  Economy / Gambling / Re: WOLF.BET - Provably fair dice game $1,000 Daily Race7-day streak bonus on: October 04, 2019, 04:00:18 PM
However, wolf.bet is brand new already, they don't need to make a new website, they can rebrand themselves as a "not just a dice site" with their current name, I don't get why people think that having a dice in your name must mean you are purely a dice website, there are a ton of websites with weird names that go for only slots for example and that doesn't mean they can't have any other game, they just don't want to.

Wolf.bet has a good name with no dice in it and no nothing so they could just put any game and not worry about the situation of people thinking they are just a dice game website neither. So, it works out great for them

Well, it is not quite our business anyway

So we can only speculate here. As I see it, there is a certain window of, say, a couple of years when adding new games wouldn't hurt the image of the site. But after this window is closed, it might be better to keep things as they are. It doesn't actually have anything to do with the name itself (i.e. whether it has the word dice in it) but rather with the public perception of the casino that will be firmly established by that time
I disagree, I think it is exactly the opposite, this is why running a casino is such a hard task. If they improve their website for years then we should be expecting them to keep improving their websites, if they want to change something they should do it right now so we don't get too comfortable with it

But that's not exactly what I'm trying to get across

My point is that the owners may not have the resources to add new games all the time while they still have to weed out existing bugs and add new features to what they already have (read, dice). Indeed, it would be nice to have all these fancy games that other such sites entertain, the sooner the better, but this option may simply not be available due to reasons mentioned. Dice is essentially a simple hi-lo game but the stuff built around it can be quite complicated and demanding in terms of time and effort (which seems to be the case here)

That is why I think having a website for few years where you add a new game every 6-8 months means you need to keep doing that

The whole of wolf.bet itself has been around for less than that (or around that time)
2399  Economy / Economics / Re: Can Libra Disrupt The Financial/Economic System? on: October 04, 2019, 02:41:11 PM
Libra is facing too much resistance and it looks to me that it is never going to realize. First, it was the American law makers who had issues with the project. And now even the partners such as Paypal are no longer interested in it and are looking for an honorable exit. It seems that many of these companies jumped in to the Libra bandwagon too soon, without thinking much about the consequences.

I really doubt whether Mark Zuckerberg has properly studied about the concept of cryptocurrencies. He wanted to take advantage of the hype surrounding Bitcoin and use it to remove the stagnation in the FB revenue growth. Also my guess is that he wanted to compete against Bitcoin, as his rivals (Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss) are well known supporters of BTC.

The issue is that nobody trusts Zuckerberg

But then nobody should be using Facebook, right?

Actually, it doesn't really matter since "when money talks, bullshit walks". I mean people will turn deaf and blind as soon as they start to smell the easy money that Mark is going to offer them (or they come to think he is going to). They won't care about the dangers of losing their privacy, personal data being misused and sold to companies without their prior consent, or whatever. People are greedy and that's what would count and make all the difference in the end

But crypto that matches up with all your personal data, combined with a rogue company that will happily sell to advertisers not only who you are but how much money you have in your wallet - that's just too much and too dangerous

In fact, governments might be happier with that than with plain vanilla cryptocurrencies. If anything, it is the government that will get the first-hand access to all this wealth of personal information. So why should they resist if only for this reason alone?
2400  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why are big leaders now opposing cryptocurrencies suddenly? on: October 04, 2019, 01:53:03 PM
It makes no sense for a leader of one country to be in favor of another currency, because that means that he is against his own currency. This trump talk is more about trying to knock down bitcoin and trying to prevail your currency

The relationship between Donald and Bitcoin may be more complex than it first appears

As a relentless and quite ruthless capitalist in the worst, Marxian sense of the word, Trump can easily say one thing, think another, and then do a completely different one. What it means is that he may love and hate Bitcoin at the same time. I know it is kind of schizophrenic but who said he is not one deep inside?

More specifically, Trump may in fact hate Bitcoin after all, but he may hate it less than any other regular currency out there (other than the American dollar, of course). In this manner, he may unwillingly and unconsciously come to love Bitcoin as it is not a real threat to the dollar but can be one in respect to other fiat currencies
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