Идея это пшик, но видимо за неимением ничего другого, ее обычно так старательно и опекают, пока она не сгинет в клоаке памяти автора.
Вот с этим я категорически не согласен! Идея, на мой взгляд, как раз имеет более высокий приоритет по сравнению с реализацией (какая бы уникальная или крутая последняя ни была). Показать это достаточно просто. Далеко не факт, что конкретная идея выстрелит даже при самой совершенной и безупречной реализации, но, с другой стороны, при отсутствии хотя бы самой плохонькой идеи речь вообще не может идти о какой-либо реализации, поскольку нечего реализовывать в принципе! Впрочем, всё сказанное нисколько не означает, что идея, которую здесь столь тщательно берегут от посторонних глаз, стоит даже выеденного яйца... |
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Почему то когда говорят про уникальность идеи, забывают про уникальность реализации. Если ее кто нить реализует, второй раз уже не получиться, нельзя сделать второй гугл или айфон, хотя секрет их успеха известен.
Так об этом же и речь! Кто первый встал, того и тапки! Любая реализация будет уникальна в своём роде, даже если в её основе лежит одна и та же идея, но это никак не снижает ценность самой идеи... |
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That's what I'm talking about. You can take any successful businessman and after some harsh scraping you will get a slaveholder in disguise...  The Google guys are extremely successful. Are they slaveholders? If they work directly with personnel (which I doubt) then yes, for sure. If you want someone in person, you can take Microsoft and Steve Ballmer or Apple and Steve Jobs where it will be more evident. It may be very well hidden under the tinsel of equality and all that nonsense, but nevertheless it is still there  Though this shouldn't even be a point of doubt for you if you are pro-anarchy. From your stance any corporation is evil by definition... |
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I don't know how you've misconstrued "no rulers" as "each for himself", but I'm happy to point you toward a job in politics if that's the kind of lifestyle you're after When we discussed female genital mutilation, your reply was "As long as its not my daughter its fine." How is that not "each for himself?" There is no substance behind what all those guys say here, save maybe for one of them who did actually admit that anarchy can be considered as a condition where every man should stand for himself. Whenever they come across somebody who is not liable to their eyewash and cheap propaganda and who is able to show how perverted their logic really is, they always end up contradicting themselves or even resort to value judgments about their opponents... |
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I have got suspended second time. Sending emails through https://coinad.com/?a=contact does not works. No activity in coinchat.org/j:coinad. Looks like the btc rate increase shutted down the project like many others. I'm not suspended but "no advertisement found, please come back later". I also have strong suspicions that it might soon be over... Though just as well it might be my pessimism showing through! |
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How is earth unsanitary, please enlighten me. If I recall correctly, man made items are the cause of this modern problem of cancer.
Have you ever heard about worms, microbes and other evil creatures that live in soil and carry or cause various diseases? This modern problem of cancer? Are you kidding? Cancer has been known since ancient times... |
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Kitchenware? That's a cup. No electric wires? They're in the wall. Electric stove tops cost $100. Water supply? Called a well.
I would personally prefer people poop away from my house anyways. But the great thing is, if you want people pooping in your house, you can build a bathroom inside, because you sorta build it yourself.
So the only thing which justifies this house as "back to earth" is its earth walls, right? What are these "earth" walls made from actually? Some type of concrete or plain old clay? Whatever it might be, wooden logs are much better, their only drawback being combustibility...  |
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не совсем в тему, но относительно здоровья. Не делайте никаких прививок. Особенно детям. Да, всё что вы найдете в интернете по этому поводу смахивает на вселенский заговор, но тем неменее - включите собственные мозги и анализируйте информацию. Высказывания отдельных личностей типа Билла Гейтса об ограничении численности населения говорят в пользу того, что заговор есть, он вполне реальный, и главное, реализуемый, особенно под таким невинным прикрытием, как гумманитарная помощь странам третьего мира. Здоровья вам
Ага, прививки зло! Смех и радость нам приносят оспа и туберкулёз... |
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Investopedia is confused. anth0ny and deisik seem to be agreeing with each other that "intrinsic value" is an incoherent term. And it is. Sure, it's used in common parlance...but one of the first lessons of clear thinking is not to bring terms of everyday talk into a technical context, even if certain academics are in the habit of doing do.
Actually, I don't say that "intrinsic value" is an incoherent term. I just say that this term has a very limited usage in economics nowadays, and it was used by anth0ny in a sense for which there is already a proper well-established term. I can't say anything specific and definite about its use and coherence beyond economics... |
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This notion of intrinsic value that things have value in and of themselves has no application in economics.
It has no application in philosophy either. Except to refute it. Why then would you use it in this discussion, to make things more complicated or what? |
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No electricity, no gas supply, no hot and cold water, no toilet... Actually, not very far from a dugout, provided the walls are made from earth. It may look pleasing to the eye, but I don't think this hovel makes a decent, safe and sanitary dwelling... A hippie retreat! I'm quite sure that house has all of the above, except maybe gas, but why do you need gas? It is much more safe than the houses we live in today, it is more resistant to high winds, tornadoes and earthquakes. It is better for your health too, better than humans breathing in the byproducts of air conditioners and heating elements daily. I strongly doubt about that. I see no electric wires but I see kitchenware outdoors, so I guess the food is cooked over a campfire. Without electricity you might use gas for cooking, so no gas either. Central water supply is probably also absent (iron trough outside), so no toilet (perhaps an outhouse somewhere around). Earth walls are just plain insanitary, next to nothing beside log walls... In any case if it has all of the above how would you call that "back to earth"? |
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By the way, this is not a pro-anarchy site, so I guess you're taking it too far to tell anyone here (even me) what they should do, right? You and your noob friends are pushing awfully hard. If you read my posts closely here (or elsewhere for this matter) you will see that I refrain as much as I can from value judgments about anyone. I'm always doing my best to provide hard facts and give cogent reasons for anything I say or state... |
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So you propose we continue killing each other, because that's what monkeys do?
Me?! God forbid!!!  I just wanted to show you that nature is not just "packs of squirrels", that it can be brute, ruthless and lethal (and in fact is just such), that there is nothing specifically "human" in all this... |
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Simply move out of the city and build one of these.  Do you consider this a dugout? No electricity, no gas supply, no hot and cold water, no toilet... Actually, not very far from a dugout, provided the walls are made from earth. It may look pleasing to the eye, but I don't think this hovel makes a decent, safe and sanitary dwelling... A hippie retreat! |
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You can't substitute "utility" for "intrinsic value": The notion of intrinsic value is the notion that things have value in and of themselves, rather than as a means to something else. It's false. The notion of utility is not the notion that things have value in and of themselves, rather than as a means to something else. It's not false.
This notion of intrinsic value that things have value in and of themselves has no application in economics. Economics begins and ends with what people think about value (i.e. subjective assessment of value), intrinsic value as you describe it here is of no interest to economics... And if you read me more closely, you will see that I said it directly that utility is not intrinsic value but subjective valuation existing only in the mind. Now you blame me of confusing these two notions... I just said that you substitute utility for intrinsic value to keep things correct and clear |
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А если он на самом деле киллер, и с глоком?
Для справки - в глоке 31 патрон, больше чем в калаше, и стреляет в 2 раза быстрее калаша...
Я не понял, хвастаетесь что ли? Вы это, осторожнее, я то, конечно, вас не сдам, но ведь наверняка найдутся желающие за тридцать-то сребренников... А может быть это вы шпион? |
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Do you see packs of squirrels killing each other for acorns? No, this is nature, where EARTH's resources are shared and rightfully owned by no person, but earth.
Nature is the perfect balancing force of the universe. If someone wants to try and gain power over people, let nature take them out.
Take your antifreedom agenda elsewhere.
Never saw feral dogs fighting to death with each other for a bitch or food? Never heard of ant armies waging wars between themselves or chimps killing their own posterity? Maybe, it's some other nature, not from this planet? By the way, this is not a pro-anarchy site, so I guess you're taking it too far to tell anyone here (even me) what they should do, right? |
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So now you suggest we should all come back to caves, eat raw meat (if ever), wear raw hides and die at the age of 25 from smallpox and malaria (if not eaten by some predator even before that)? You may choose as you like personally, but I doubt it strongly that the total majority of humans would love to follow your steps... No, I'm proposing we create natural homes out of the earth, eat food grown locally and naturally and that we all evolve consciously so we don't have to die. It's all within our reach, we just have to work as one. Instead of caves you propose to dig dugouts? I'd rather go with caves, given these only options... What are going to do with the population of big cities, subject them to liquidation with subsequent total annihilation of the cities? |
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I think those of you, guys, who deem themselves as anarchists are terribly misusing the term... Considering what you say here (small isolated settlements, ostracism, communal efforts and all that nonsense) I would rather call you hippies... Or maybe an anarchist is just an age-worn hippie? You're attempts at discrediting anarchism are futile. I have already given my understanding of what true anarchism is ("each for himself") and been agreed with here... And that's what I really like about it! |
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Не понимаю почему ты упорно видишь во мне пропагандиста наркотиков, я о легалайзе вроде не писал, наоборот Лучше даже не пробовать!!! Ну а если уж и влезли в это, отдавайте себе отчет чем вы занимаетесь, и не врите себе, что у вас все под контролем и вы умнее всех, вокруг нарки, а вы д'Артаньян (растаман)
Было бы лучше, если бы ты вообще с этим не вылезал... Хотя, с другой стороны, оно может так и к лучшему - внести ясность в некоторые непонятные моменты |
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