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241  Economy / Economics / Re: What happnes to BTC,if the oil price goes up? on: June 06, 2018, 05:09:43 PM
I do not see any directly connections between them, but, i think, if the potential investor will became richer or have more extra cash he will invest into btc, so price will go up, in theory ofc, and oil is limited resource like btc, but, it will end sooner or later.
Bitcoin and Oil is non related to the price, Any increase in price value of Oil affect the commodities involved in oil product,be it in production, utilities,and other related used of oil as to its power need for such company or industries, it does however affect the supply and demands for the economy(possible inflation). Any increase in Bitcoin price does not affect the supply and demand of local commodities, this is a digital crypto currency transaction, decentralized, no relation to Oil commodities in the market.

Yes, nothing will change. There is no single connection between Bitcoin and oil prices. That is why those guys that are in the crypto world may not worry about this problem.
i think oil and bitcoin have nothing to do, but globally there must be a link between them. i think investors are faced with two options to invest. from there it will be split into two if the investor trading both
242  Economy / Economics / Re: How to calculate profit on: June 06, 2018, 05:02:25 PM
So lets say I put in $100 dollars. I buy while its at a low of $10,400. The price goes up to $10,400 and I sell. Whata my profit?
I just heard about buying low and selling high and selling low, but I never thought that there would be buyers and sellers at the same price. That action is for silly and lack of thinking

in my opinion to calculate profit earned, we must see the price of people who want to buy and volume and fee. you can insert assets held on usual calculator at the top, from which the results will appear. it is possible also suppose the volume is not sufficient you will sell with different prices
243  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: koin yang sudah lama di dompet, tidak kunjung juga marketnya sampai saat ini? on: June 06, 2018, 04:01:04 AM
bagaimana pendapat agan mengenai masalah ini?
dan sampai berapa lama maksimal kita hold token itu?
saya sempat berfikir negatif apakah proyek itu hanya pemberi harapan palsu (PHP).

saya pernah mengikuti sebuah proyek yang sampai sekarang koin mereka gak ada keterangan masuk di market mana
karena telegram mereka juga sudah gak aktif, sedangkan thread btt juga sudah di lock.. sedangkan gak pernah ada pernyataan kalau proyek tersebut scam
jadi sampai sekarang koin tersebut tetep duduk manis di wallet saya tanpa tau dia bakalan migrasi kapan  Cheesy
sama halnya saya gan, ada koin awal saya ikutan bounty, sekiranya sudah satu tahun kemaren dan sampai sekarang belum masuk market juga. malahan harus verifikasi kyc dimana webnya masih gangguan, alhasil ya ane jadikan koin koleksi gan Grin
244  Economy / Economics / Re: Feeling bitter in banks? on: June 06, 2018, 03:56:21 AM
You damn right I am. These people who post sht about banks being gone for good and being replaced by crypto are either dumb or just trolling. It is pretty obvious that we still cannot survive without the banks. Yes, the banks have shitty terms and conditions but they work and we need them. Although cryptos are good, there is not a single crypto yet that is good enough to even be compared to the banks, or become a national currency of a country. Let alone be a worldwide currency.

As much as people are bitter with banks because they are using our money for their benefit and we discovered the fact that they are just giving so little interest for our money that cannot beat inflation, there are still advantages of using bank which is for security purposes. If we just wanted to keep our money somewhere so that it will be accessible all the time and have a stable value then banks would be the best choice. I believe we cannot eradicate banks because they are even researching on how to use blockchain technology to their advantage so that the cryptocurrencies wouldn't be able to eliminate them.
in my country there are plans some banks will offer blockchain in their system, so the future possibilities of cryptocurrency will be managed as well. but i do not see if cryptocurrency will eliminate bank
245  Economy / Economics / Re: Invest in BTC vs Invest in Real Estate? on: June 05, 2018, 04:11:14 AM
Its good idea to invest in real estate. If you have good amount of capital for trading im sure you can allocate some into gold or real estate and i do think its feel more safe when you have something tangible asset. But i do think investing in cryptocurrency still the best place to earn profit.
with the cryptocurrency investment, we will get a big profit, but have a big risk too. for that in my opinion there should be a balancer of investment. and what i mean is a real estate investment
246  Economy / Speculation / Re: Right time to buy bitcoin "again" ??? on: June 05, 2018, 04:06:31 AM
If you look at the trends last year even the year before, you wikl dee that the worst dio happens on the first quarter snd at the second. By the third quarter, you will see a marked recovery on the prices and by tye fourth quarter a steep rise. As of now, i would recommend beefing up your holdings so long as the market is going up.
right, it can be seen in the market every year. and from each year have similar movements. so it's not wrong if we sell btc at the end of the year. and for now is best suited to buy btc as much
247  Economy / Economics / Re: Biggest personal bitcoin loss on: June 05, 2018, 04:02:35 AM
I am not sure if I am putting this in the right section.

Anyway, what are some of your guys biggest bitcoin losses?  Did many people here loss everything with Mtcox?  For me it is online casinos.  I do have a moderate gambling habit so it was bound to happen.  Cry
definetly all of us have a different experience of lossing especialy in bitcoin portfolio,but in my self i experience loosing my bitcoin,when there is a scamming  online transaction,that supposedly i want to buy an item,we have a treaty that he allowed to accept a bitcoin payment ,at first our communication is okey,but when i paid him into his given wallet ,he instantly dissappered  and never communicating again,thats why i said to myself thats its better sometimes to become vigilant.
right, the bad experience we make a lesson so that the future does not happen again and remain cautious. if i never lose btc, and from your experience become my experience to be more vigilant
248  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN] Bob's Repair ICO endorsed by John McAfee on: June 04, 2018, 03:14:00 AM
Ya maksud nya token di kunci sementara dalam hal masih terjadi nya pendistribusian bisa jadi juga tim memaksukan dulu bob kemarket baru di di buka kembali.
Untuk hal ini hanya bisa bersabar dan cepat masuk ke market bagus agar bisa dijadikan sebagai thr lebaran.
iya kalau marketnya sebelum lebaran sudah di rilis gan, masalahnya ini juga ada belum selesai distribusinya kan? dan untuk list di exchanger juga passtinya butuh waktu. tidak berharap banyak yang penting terbaik bagi team saja, kita yang hold tokennya cuma bisa sabar gan.
untuk distribusi sepertinya sudah semua dan tinggal menunggu marketnya saja yang tidak ada kepastian kapan dari pihak bob's
semoga saja bisa secepatnya karena ini sudah terlalu sangat lama menunggunya.
mungkin itu bukan harapan agan saja tapi harapan semua orang gan.
tapi saat ini mereka sedang menjalankan airdrop di telegram, saya harap airdrop ini tidak jadi alasan dev untuk segera mendaftarkan bob di exchange besar.

biasanya untuk awalnya akan masuk di exchange yang biasa dulu gan, disamping cepat mungkin karena biayanya yang terjangkau. tetapi saya kira apabila awal2 langsung masuk di hitbtc sudah bagus rasanya, karena exchange ini sudah menempati peringkat 7
249  Economy / Economics / Re: Can Amazon Integrate Bitcoin? on: June 04, 2018, 03:03:43 AM
Yes according to the news, it is confirmed Amazon is planning to add crypto currency in their payment processing. Its either they will add Bitcoin or Amazon will create its own crypto. Or more possible Amazon will use both Bitcoin and their crypto coin.
I think that if you use an electronic currency on the market, the Amazon Group will not be as savvy with Bitcoin. But if that is the electronic money they make based on Blockchain technology, this is a viable option. Amazon is a business conglomerate, they put profit on top. Using electronic money in payment operations is a risk. But if it is their electronic money then they will probably take risks but bring high economic value.
i think if amazon can make their own and based on bitcoin, this will accelerate its development as it is ready to face the cryptocurrency market in the future, where will be a lot of crypto users for transaction
250  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN] The Deal Coin - Decentralised P2P Lending Eco-system on: June 02, 2018, 08:13:10 PM
kok masih belum ada perubahan untuk hasil penjualan nya ya sudah beberapa minggu macet diangka $17 nih, Huh
saya lihat sudah mulai banyak project yang sukses mencapai hardcap nya nih jadi kondisi market bukan menjadi alasan untuk stuck nya penjualan project ini nih gan, ada apa dengan project ini ya. Roll Eyes
Kurang pas mungkin strateginya sepertinya tim marketingnyapun harus aktif mempromosikan proyek ini seperti mengadakan even atau seminar cryptocurrency untuk mendongkrak penjualnnya yang sedikit tersendat
Bisa jadi itu gan dari itu penjualan dari project ini sedikit terhambat, seperti nya pihak team harus melakukan sesuatu agar investor lebih mengenal lagi tentang project ini biar penjualannya tetap berjalan dengan mulus kayak nya.
Dari segi promosi mungkin harus di tingkatkan lagi tapi yang paling manjur untuk meningkatkan penjualan saat mengadakan event dengan mempersentasikan langsung di depan investor dapat menambah pencapaian penjualan token
jika penjualannya macet di angka $17 hingga selesai iconya apakah proyek ini bisa di katakan sukses gan? sepertinya tim perlu promosi yang efektif untuk meningkatkan penjualannya.
jika misalnya proyek ini sampai selesai dengan pencapaian sebesar $17 juta, menurut saya sudah bisa dikatakan sukses karena pencapaiannya yang telah di raih jauh melampui softcap yang hanya $5 juta, karena setiap proyek yang sudah mencapai softcap bisa dikatakan sukses cmiiw, tapi semoga saja bisa mencapai hardcap
Jika sudah mencapai softcap pesertanya pasti akan mendapatkan hasilnya nanti gan, menurut ane lihat kayaknya untuk level hardcap project ini akan susah gan gan dimana target mereka itu lumayan tinggi .
Kalau pas diawal sih optimis bang karena ada gebrakan yang investasi sampai $16 juta
Cuma di pertengahan ini tim developer mulai kurang aktif menurut saya dan investor pun juga
belum mengalami perkembangan yang signifikan lagi
Proyek ini memang sedikit unik gan hasil penjualan pada saat awal dimulai sangat mengejutkan dan mendapatkan lebih dari $15 jt kalau tidak salah dan itulah yang membuat banyak peserta bounty ikut proyek ini, terbukti dengan hanya beberapa haris pesertanya langsung full. Kalau soal perkembangan itu memang urusan developer untuk membuat strategi yang lebih matang lagi untuk promosi.
sudah tidak dipungkiri kalau the deal coin bakalan sukses besar ini,
apalagi the deal coin masih lama projeknya, sekitar bulan juli ya baru selesai.
beruntung yang join di project ini karena softcapnya sudah tercapai dan masih ada banyak waktu untuk iconya meskipun project ini berjalan lumayan lama tapi nanti hasilnya bakalan maksimal
Yap harapan ane juga bisa menuju hardcapnya sih gan dan mungkin seluruh anggota yang bersangkutan berharap sama. Ya semoga sampai akhir waktu penjualannya bisa meraih hasil yang maksimal
Pastilah gan gak mungkin timny gak berharap bisa mendulang hardcap, tetapi kalau dilihat dari sisa waktu sedikit sulit untuk mencapai hardcap apalagi pasar kripto sedang loyo kayak gini marketcap makin menanjak turun tiap hari.
saya kira waktu masih lama sampai bulan juli baru selesai, dengan modal mencapai softcap saya kira akan lebih banyak investor yang tertarik, meski tidak dipungkiri kadang penjualan maksimal justru berada diakhir ico, apalagi dengan banyaknya partisipan bounty yang ikut memasarkan proyek ini menjadi nilai plus tersendiri
251  Economy / Economics / Re: what will happens if everyone has own currency, doesn't a bad for Economics ? on: June 02, 2018, 08:08:43 PM
If everyone has their own currency then it will be very bad with the economy of a country even very bad for the world economy because people are shopping or doing transactions with their own currency so that currency is no longer valuable because there are too many currencies circulating in a country.

It may happen. For now, Bitcoin remains the most popular non-centralized virtual currency, but there is no guarantee that its position will remain that way. There's already another set of coins inspired by Bitcoin. It may be assumed that significant development will be required by the new currency to take over Bitcoin in terms of market-building ability; although this remains unpredictable. Bitcoin may also be able to adopt the development of rival currencies, as long as it does not change the underlying basis of the protocol.
Nothing will happen. Are we even supposed to be having this conversation ?
You think if you have a coin right now with no value or a solution it is solving, I would want to accept it ?
Moreover, you think the government will keep watching every tom, dick and harry to keep creating their own coin or token however they like. You think your coin will be listed on any exchange ?

You would as well create your own coin and keep it all to yourself until you realize something like this can never work. This cannot happen, and as time goes on regulation will cause most shit coins in the market to even get scrapped.
seeing the development of cryptocurrency, i think the government will set it for the continuity of future technological developments. with government policy i think it is not easy to pass the regulation for a coin, and finally everyone will need each other coin. this is to be expected
252  Economy / Economics / Re: Peer to Peer Exchange on: June 02, 2018, 08:02:04 PM
Is there any trading/exchange site that have a feature where people can directly trade and communicate with each other? Like a social media type platform?

if you talk about peer to peer exchange I think localcoinswap is a very good p2p platform and can be a very successful exchange place and now localcoinswap is ICO time which means it will be created after ICO is finished hopefully localcoinswap can be your solution.
localcoinswap is designed in that way. we can use it and feel free. as far as I know this ico project has been completed and we can wait for its development so the roadmap goes according to plan and go into it
253  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] LIGER Coin - Cryptocurrency Revolusioner untuk Kasino dan Game on: June 02, 2018, 05:48:17 AM
Proyek sangat bagus untuk di ikutin apa lagi berkaitan dengan dunia kasino pasti ico nya cepat terjual karna rame orang yang suka tentang kasino yang penuh tantangan
memang tidak dipungkiri lagi proyek dengan konsep kasino banyak yang menyukainya dan rata rata sukses.semoga semua pihak proyek ini bisa bekerja sama dengan baik supaya nanti hardcapnya bisa tercapai.
Kalau tahun lalu sih masih banyak yang suka gan projek gambling atau kasino, tapi untuk tahun ini udah gak jamannya lagi gan. Projek yang berbasis gambling/kasino udah susah mendapatkan investor. Sekarang jamannya projek exchange dan blockchain.
kita lihat saja perkembangan proyek ini, saat ini menurut saya agak susah diprediksi dimana kadang proyek kelihatannya bagus tetapi malah hasilnya kurang memuaskan begitu pula sebaliknya, mungkin memang karena kondisi market yang belum mendukung
254  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What’s hot in June? on: June 02, 2018, 05:41:36 AM
Every month people come up with some predictions, and finally majority of the predictions fail while a few succeeds providing with some real time profiting. Myself too have the same mentality and importantly every month used to expect a certain percentage growth in a gradual manner but after the peak rise slowly it has been declining every month.
that is the reality faced. we can only predict and pray with our analysis and the market movements that determine it. but i most believe with bitcoin and ethereum for my hold coins
255  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: day trading effective? on: June 02, 2018, 05:35:44 AM
it is very difficult to talk about profit of trading days,now we can take profit but tomorow you can fail and lose money,trading days you always buy and sell,when i trading days i see i don't get profit,i lose my money,after that I only make rich for exchange,now I think we should invest for long time,buy and hold
trading in everyday life can not be ascertained because indeed we must understand well the trading pattern itself. like what you say. when we invest now is not necessarily will quickly get a profit
then it would be better to use free money to invest. but for daily trading we must be more careful because it takes a special skill to analyze market. although the result is big but the risk is big also
256  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [ANN] Bob's Repair ICO endorsed by John McAfee on: May 31, 2018, 03:41:20 AM
Jadi bukan manager bounty nya yang melakukan perhitungan final ya? Sda maslaah apa denagn manager biunty nya atau mr jamala membuat kesalahan sehingga dev tidak mempercayakan perhitungan final ke jamal
Bisa jadi gan karena banyakny kasus yang menimpa mr jamal sehingga dev dari bobs tidak mempercayakan mr jamal untuk melakukan perhitungan final, liat aja sekarang udah sepi banget si jamal handle proyek hal ini menandakan kualitas jamal yang sudah jelek..

bener gan , ini distribusi belum kelar2 ada yg tau knp ga gan??
kalau setauku distribusi dilakukan buat investornya dl .dan masih dalam penyelesaian administrasi tentang perhitungan sake dan juga problem walet?
apakah itu benar ya?

sabar gan , kita berharap saat didistrbusi sudah listing dimarket ,biar harganya ga jatuh banget .
dan emang kalau kita butuh langsung jual ga pusing cari marketnya .
projek bobs kemungkinan akan berkembang kedepannya .
sejauh yang saya tangkap dari informasi ditelegram tadi mengatakan bahwa sudah ada 6 orang untuk mulai melakukan proses pendistribusian, untuk itu kita bersabar saja supaya lancar pendistribusiannya dan tidak ada kekeliruan
257  Economy / Economics / Re: Natural money on: May 30, 2018, 08:59:47 AM
Natural money is the solution to many modern problems!

Friends, we think that development of a decentralized and a digitalized economy is a modern challenge for many countries, since states lose exclusive control over monetary policy. Adaptation and compliance with the requirements of time is one of the tasks of progressive societies. The scientific and practical association Jus Naturale sees launching a self-regulating tax system based on the state crypto currency, which we call Natural Money, a way out for countries in this situation. The idea of Natural Money is a modern interpretation of the Silvio Gesell free-money idea. It is natural money in conjunction with online clearing systems like GEO that could solve many social and practical problems facing the state while ensuring society in free circulation of goods and services. Since modern scientific community is not ready to discuss this topic yet, we offer advanced crypto-community our proposals for discussion and criticism.

Read more about the idea of natural money: https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/
The negative side of natural money is that the value of it is constant, never be change not like bitcoin the price of bitcoin increases and decreases . It depends on the demand of bitcoins.
i guess because unit bitcoin units are based on usd, i think if bitcoin as usd and other coins as other currencies, then this will be the same. we can see in forex trading, currency fluctuate as well
258  Economy / Economics / Re: Do we need blockchain technology? on: May 30, 2018, 08:55:37 AM
Hello everyone.

When I see there are too many ICO and shitcoins on novaexchange. I keep asking myself: do we really need blockchain technology?

In case of Bitcoin. Of course, I agree.
What about ETH? I agree too.

But, have a look at the others on the market. I don't even know why should people use their service. There is no real use in real life.

An ad management system on blockchain? - We already had Google Ads & Facebook Ads.
A social network on blockchain? (steem) - Do we? I don't see anything but a centralized forum hosted on a random hosting using its currency to pay for the writers.

There are too many projects  that we don't really need it on blockchain.

Sometimes, I think there is a black swan (Blockchain is useless in real life) lurking around.


Please enlighten me.


Yes we need block chain technology in order to mine cryptocurrency and thanks to satoshi nakamoto the founder of bitcoins who started the very first coin and now there are a lot of people who are getting rich because of that.
right, we really need it because so far many people who achieve financial freedom by working in bitcoin. so many have retired in their youth. hopefully this technology is growing so poverty can be overcome
259  Economy / Economics / Re: Good news or bad news... on: May 29, 2018, 08:02:13 AM
this is good news, i think Japanese government is increasingly paying attention to the development of cryptocurrency, so anticipated money laundering can anticipated from anonymous nature
260  Economy / Economics / Re: How do you feel about market regulation? on: May 29, 2018, 07:54:58 AM
There's been a lot of talk about submitting the Bitcoin economy to governmental regulation and, frankly, it scares the hell out of me. One of the reasons I'm so excited about Bitcoin is because it presents the same promise of a fully free market that cash does without all the problems surrounding a fiat currency.

Personally, I am strongly against Bitcoin regulation. I believe the market is completely capable of caring for itself and regulation would simply expand government intrusion into people lives. I can see no benefit and a lot of detriment.

What do you think? Do you think the Bitcoin economy should be regulated? If so, to what extent?

Rage


no! no! no! bitcoin should not be regulated. it is very impossible as well. as we all know government will always find a way to sow what we plant, it shouldn’t work that way in bitcoin.
I am not agree with you as for me it is yes, yes and yes, now almost everywhere we need bitcoin as bitcoin is best source to pay for goods and it is allowing us to involve investment and trading with bitcoin, now my government is showing really positive attitude towards regulation of bitcoin and same as my place many more are accepting the worth of bitcoin which will keep on increasing so bitcoin regulating as globally is now certain.
i think government will not turn a blind eye to the development of cryptocurrency technology. of cryptocurrency will be able to prosper society so i think later there will be clear market regulation from government
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