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Natural money is the solution to many modern problems!Friends, we think that development of a decentralized and a digitalized economy is a modern challenge for many countries, since states lose exclusive control over monetary policy. Adaptation and compliance with the requirements of time is one of the tasks of progressive societies. The scientific and practical association Jus Naturale sees launching a self-regulating tax system based on the state crypto currency, which we call Natural Money, a way out for countries in this situation. The idea of Natural Money is a modern interpretation of the Silvio Gesell free-money idea. It is natural money in conjunction with online clearing systems like GEO that could solve many social and practical problems facing the state while ensuring society in free circulation of goods and services. Since modern scientific community is not ready to discuss this topic yet, we offer advanced crypto-community our proposals for discussion and criticism. Read more about the idea of natural money: https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/
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jean_levi
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October 20, 2017, 02:57:44 PM |
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Natural money is the solution to many modern problems!Friends, we think that development of a decentralized and a digitalized economy is a modern challenge for many countries, since states lose exclusive control over monetary policy. Adaptation and compliance with the requirements of time is one of the tasks of progressive societies. The scientific and practical association Jus Naturale sees launching a self-regulating tax system based on the state crypto currency, which we call Natural Money, a way out for countries in this situation. The idea of Natural Money is a modern interpretation of the Silvio Gesell free-money idea. It is natural money in conjunction with online clearing systems like GEO that could solve many social and practical problems facing the state while ensuring society in free circulation of goods and services. Since modern scientific community is not ready to discuss this topic yet, we offer advanced crypto-community our proposals for discussion and criticism. Read more about the idea of natural money: https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/ The idea is interesting, but it's highly depends on ability and desire of a state to cooperate. |
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xFGND
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October 20, 2017, 03:05:48 PM |
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Well if people's money decayed, what incentive would people have to save their money or rather how would they save their money? I think there's a reason that every money system does not have an incorporated deflation plan.
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mrcash02
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October 20, 2017, 06:36:27 PM |
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For me 'Natural Money' was what people used to trade much time ago on the first ages of the world when people used items to trade for another items they needed. For an example: I produce wood, you produce stone, so you give me stone and I give you wood as we need both materials, but we can't produce all of them at same time... Any other kind of natural money seems too artificial for me...  |
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joromz1226
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October 20, 2017, 07:35:47 PM |
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Natural money is the solution to many modern problems!Friends, we think that development of a decentralized and a digitalized economy is a modern challenge for many countries, since states lose exclusive control over monetary policy. Adaptation and compliance with the requirements of time is one of the tasks of progressive societies. The scientific and practical association Jus Naturale sees launching a self-regulating tax system based on the state crypto currency, which we call Natural Money, a way out for countries in this situation. The idea of Natural Money is a modern interpretation of the Silvio Gesell free-money idea. It is natural money in conjunction with online clearing systems like GEO that could solve many social and practical problems facing the state while ensuring society in free circulation of goods and services. Since modern scientific community is not ready to discuss this topic yet, we offer advanced crypto-community our proposals for discussion and criticism. Read more about the idea of natural money: https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/ Natural money was being used many years ago until now, for me it is the physical money where we can used it anywhere we go in the public places, even in online it can be use by simply have a credit card or Paypal something like that. |
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squatz1
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October 20, 2017, 07:44:22 PM |
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Natural money is the solution to many modern problems!Friends, we think that development of a decentralized and a digitalized economy is a modern challenge for many countries, since states lose exclusive control over monetary policy. Adaptation and compliance with the requirements of time is one of the tasks of progressive societies. The scientific and practical association Jus Naturale sees launching a self-regulating tax system based on the state crypto currency, which we call Natural Money, a way out for countries in this situation. The idea of Natural Money is a modern interpretation of the Silvio Gesell free-money idea. It is natural money in conjunction with online clearing systems like GEO that could solve many social and practical problems facing the state while ensuring society in free circulation of goods and services. Since modern scientific community is not ready to discuss this topic yet, we offer advanced crypto-community our proposals for discussion and criticism. Read more about the idea of natural money: https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/ The idea is interesting, but it's highly depends on ability and desire of a state to cooperate. This is the simple thing that I've said so many times on this forum. Governments, like anything else, are going to want to retain the power that they have -- they're not going to give up the power and the influence which they hold over their citizens and their economies just because people want them to. This would work, and I've always said that Bitcoin and other ideals could work -- but they work at the whim of govenrments and how they feel as if they should regulate them. |
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palle11
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October 20, 2017, 09:01:46 PM |
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Natural money is the solution to many modern problems!Friends, we think that development of a decentralized and a digitalized economy is a modern challenge for many countries, since states lose exclusive control over monetary policy. Adaptation and compliance with the requirements of time is one of the tasks of progressive societies. The scientific and practical association Jus Naturale sees launching a self-regulating tax system based on the state crypto currency, which we call Natural Money, a way out for countries in this situation. The idea of Natural Money is a modern interpretation of the Silvio Gesell free-money idea. It is natural money in conjunction with online clearing systems like GEO that could solve many social and practical problems facing the state while ensuring society in free circulation of goods and services. Since modern scientific community is not ready to discuss this topic yet, we offer advanced crypto-community our proposals for discussion and criticism. Read more about the idea of natural money: https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/ The idea is interesting, but it's highly depends on ability and desire of a state to cooperate. This is the simple thing that I've said so many times on this forum. Governments, like anything else, are going to want to retain the power that they have -- they're not going to give up the power and the influence which they hold over their citizens and their economies just because people want them to. This would work, and I've always said that Bitcoin and other ideals could work -- but they work at the whim of govenrments and how they feel as if they should regulate them. Off course, I have always known that government won't relinquish the hold they have. The hold has always been used to manipulate citizens and make the government relevance. |
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krauzzer02
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October 21, 2017, 06:22:06 AM |
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It is not literally an exchange of natural goods like in the old times like barter exchange, this idea of system uses crypto currency technology "Blockchain" computes the goods by the formula S = T*N for the S is the value of goods and T is for the Time spent of making goods and N is for the quality factor of time spent following the principle of Silvio Gesell the Natural Money is a great idea with the implementation of it in the blockchain based technology.
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digaran
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October 21, 2017, 02:12:15 PM |
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For me 'Natural Money' was what people used to trade much time ago on the first ages of the world when people used items to trade for another items they needed. For an example: I produce wood, you produce stone, so you give me stone and I give you wood as we need both materials, but we can't produce all of them at same time... Any other kind of natural money seems too artificial for me... That's your natural money, you live in stone ages. stop lol. start, "natural money" is not referring to something like wood for stone, it's not about natural gas, full stop lol. this is yet another shit coin trying to take Bitcoin's place. natural money for me is Bitcoin, truly decentralized. you don't get another crypto currency like it. |
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neurotypical
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October 21, 2017, 02:29:10 PM |
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You could call "gold" natural money already. As far as I know, gold is part of nature. Gold nuggets pop under the wet dirt in certain places, it is definitely part of the cycle of life in a way.
The big problem with anything natural is the fact that it becomes cumbersome to store, divide and transport. You will never be able to outcompete bitcoin with something that is not digital, which is why im sure we are not going to see anything like that being a threat model for bitcoin.
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Basmic
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October 21, 2017, 02:40:42 PM |
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I do not believe that such a project may be of interest to people. Any cooperation with public authorities leads to the fact that this currency is no different from Fiat. Governments always want to spend more money and therefore steal money from citizens through the mechanism of inflation. You want the same with cryptocurrency? Lol. My opinion is the people themselves politicians themselves. Until our interests are not the same, it makes no sense to cooperate.
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poldanmig
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October 21, 2017, 02:43:19 PM |
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Natural money is the solution to many modern problems!Friends, we think that development of a decentralized and a digitalized economy is a modern challenge for many countries, since states lose exclusive control over monetary policy. Adaptation and compliance with the requirements of time is one of the tasks of progressive societies. The scientific and practical association Jus Naturale sees launching a self-regulating tax system based on the state crypto currency, which we call Natural Money, a way out for countries in this situation. The idea of Natural Money is a modern interpretation of the Silvio Gesell free-money idea. It is natural money in conjunction with online clearing systems like GEO that could solve many social and practical problems facing the state while ensuring society in free circulation of goods and services. Since modern scientific community is not ready to discuss this topic yet, we offer advanced crypto-community our proposals for discussion and criticism. Read more about the idea of natural money: https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/ The idea is interesting, but it's highly depends on ability and desire of a state to cooperate. in modern times now most people use modern way. because modern times have become the needs of society, can not be separated among the community. if to offer crypto-community sophisticated proposals for discussion and criticism. it's up to the community also want to be invited to cooperation or not, so what our friends say is true jean. |
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The_prodigy
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October 21, 2017, 03:06:44 PM |
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Natural money is the solution to many modern problems!Friends, we think that development of a decentralized and a digitalized economy is a modern challenge for many countries, since states lose exclusive control over monetary policy. Adaptation and compliance with the requirements of time is one of the tasks of progressive societies. The scientific and practical association Jus Naturale sees launching a self-regulating tax system based on the state crypto currency, which we call Natural Money, a way out for countries in this situation. The idea of Natural Money is a modern interpretation of the Silvio Gesell free-money idea. It is natural money in conjunction with online clearing systems like GEO that could solve many social and practical problems facing the state while ensuring society in free circulation of goods and services. Since modern scientific community is not ready to discuss this topic yet, we offer advanced crypto-community our proposals for discussion and criticism. Read more about the idea of natural money: https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/ It is cery difficult for a country to sureender its hold on the conomy by adopting this as this will sirely impunge a lot of their holdings or their sway over corporations due to regulations on currencies. IF This is implemented I can see the point but the application is another thing to discuss |
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mrcash02
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October 21, 2017, 03:33:29 PM |
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For me 'Natural Money' was what people used to trade much time ago on the first ages of the world when people used items to trade for another items they needed. For an example: I produce wood, you produce stone, so you give me stone and I give you wood as we need both materials, but we can't produce all of them at same time... Any other kind of natural money seems too artificial for me... That's your natural money, you live in stone ages. stop lol. start, "natural money" is not referring to something like wood for stone, it's not about natural gas, full stop lol. this is yet another shit coin trying to take Bitcoin's place. natural money for me is Bitcoin, truly decentralized. you don't get another crypto currency like it. I'm kidding, they say Crypto-Currency is natural money, but they follow a theory that has nothing about "Natural", trying to control other people's heritages and this kind of stuff that it's common in socialist countries. Anyway, even Crypto-Currency isn't natural for me, it's a free world, but not a "natural" one, it's just a tactic to call something the opposite it is to bring more adepts and make people accept it. |
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Lord of the Lies
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October 21, 2017, 04:27:06 PM |
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states have proven time and time again how they manage to screw up money
i'm skeptical that any system where the state has control wouldn't be subverted like always
most economists or financiers would include "a store of value" in the definition of "money", but no fiat today is a store of value as its value is eroded by inflation
until that is addressed, money isn't money anymore
also, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon is a nutter
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jakagintiri
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October 22, 2017, 07:06:28 PM |
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Natural money is the solution to many modern problems!Friends, we think that development of a decentralized and a digitalized economy is a modern challenge for many countries, since states lose exclusive control over monetary policy. Adaptation and compliance with the requirements of time is one of the tasks of progressive societies. The scientific and practical association Jus Naturale sees launching a self-regulating tax system based on the state crypto currency, which we call Natural Money, a way out for countries in this situation. The idea of Natural Money is a modern interpretation of the Silvio Gesell free-money idea. It is natural money in conjunction with online clearing systems like GEO that could solve many social and practical problems facing the state while ensuring society in free circulation of goods and services. Since modern scientific community is not ready to discuss this topic yet, we offer advanced crypto-community our proposals for discussion and criticism. Read more about the idea of natural money: https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/ The idea is interesting, but it's highly depends on ability and desire of a state to cooperate. I strongly agree with your opinion, I think in the absence of cooperation with the country will be the same. such as wasting time |
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Igor Opadchiy
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October 23, 2017, 05:12:06 PM |
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For me 'Natural Money' was what people used to trade much time ago on the first ages of the world when people used items to trade for another items they needed. For an example: I produce wood, you produce stone, so you give me stone and I give you wood as we need both materials, but we can't produce all of them at same time... Any other kind of natural money seems too artificial for me... That's your natural money, you live in stone ages. stop lol. start, "natural money" is not referring to something like wood for stone, it's not about natural gas, full stop lol. this is yet another shit coin trying to take Bitcoin's place. natural money for me is Bitcoin, truly decentralized. you don't get another crypto currency like it. I'm kidding, they say Crypto-Currency is natural money, but they follow a theory that has nothing about "Natural", trying to control other people's heritages and this kind of stuff that it's common in socialist countries. Anyway, even Crypto-Currency isn't natural for me, it's a free world, but not a "natural" one, it's just a tactic to call something the opposite it is to bring more adepts and make people accept it. you unfortunately did not quite understand the idea. The name of the natural has developed historically and this is not the main thing (call it whatever you like). in this concept, it is important to divide the two mutually exclusive functions of money, modern technologies only help build a self-regulating tax system for the free movement of goods and services |
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Lampaster
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October 23, 2017, 05:34:49 PM |
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Some cryptocurrencies also have the mechanisms of inflation. Bitcoin has limitations in the number and this is to some extent reduces the risk of inflation. But it kompensiruet volatility of bitcoin. It turns out that the real money does not exist. Explicit or hidden inflation is inherent in all money. Fiat is not to blame for the fact that they are rule incompetent politicians.
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mrcash02
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October 23, 2017, 05:53:35 PM |
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For me 'Natural Money' was what people used to trade much time ago on the first ages of the world when people used items to trade for another items they needed. For an example: I produce wood, you produce stone, so you give me stone and I give you wood as we need both materials, but we can't produce all of them at same time... Any other kind of natural money seems too artificial for me... That's your natural money, you live in stone ages. stop lol. start, "natural money" is not referring to something like wood for stone, it's not about natural gas, full stop lol. this is yet another shit coin trying to take Bitcoin's place. natural money for me is Bitcoin, truly decentralized. you don't get another crypto currency like it. I'm kidding, they say Crypto-Currency is natural money, but they follow a theory that has nothing about "Natural", trying to control other people's heritages and this kind of stuff that it's common in socialist countries. Anyway, even Crypto-Currency isn't natural for me, it's a free world, but not a "natural" one, it's just a tactic to call something the opposite it is to bring more adepts and make people accept it. you unfortunately did not quite understand the idea. The name of the natural has developed historically and this is not the main thing (call it whatever you like). in this concept, it is important to divide the two mutually exclusive functions of money, modern technologies only help build a self-regulating tax system for the free movement of goods and services What are the two mutual functions of the money? Why to build a self-regulating tax system if it's working very well without anyone? Sorry, but for me it's just an excuse to start controlling other's money in name of social justice. People must have the free will to choose saving or spending the money and if there is someone able to pay interest over savings, there isn't any problem. As I understood, this theory would force people to spend money instead of saving it to make the market in constantly circulation, no? |
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Igor Opadchiy
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October 24, 2017, 10:59:38 AM |
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For me 'Natural Money' was what people used to trade much time ago on the first ages of the world when people used items to trade for another items they needed. For an example: I produce wood, you produce stone, so you give me stone and I give you wood as we need both materials, but we can't produce all of them at same time... Any other kind of natural money seems too artificial for me... That's your natural money, you live in stone ages. stop lol. start, "natural money" is not referring to something like wood for stone, it's not about natural gas, full stop lol. this is yet another shit coin trying to take Bitcoin's place. natural money for me is Bitcoin, truly decentralized. you don't get another crypto currency like it. I'm kidding, they say Crypto-Currency is natural money, but they follow a theory that has nothing about "Natural", trying to control other people's heritages and this kind of stuff that it's common in socialist countries. Anyway, even Crypto-Currency isn't natural for me, it's a free world, but not a "natural" one, it's just a tactic to call something the opposite it is to bring more adepts and make people accept it. you unfortunately did not quite understand the idea. The name of the natural has developed historically and this is not the main thing (call it whatever you like). in this concept, it is important to divide the two mutually exclusive functions of money, modern technologies only help build a self-regulating tax system for the free movement of goods and services What are the two mutual functions of the money? https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/ in the third picture there are mutually exlusive function of money or contradiction Why to build a self-regulating tax system if it's working very well without anyone? Sorry, but for me it's just an excuse to start controlling other's money in name of social justice. People must have the free will to choose saving or spending the money and if there is someone able to pay interest over savings, there isn't any problem. As I understood, this theory would force people to spend money instead of saving it to make the market in constantly circulation, no? |
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