true, there's no chance that amazon will capture 1% of the book market either
I'm not saying that a real estate company on the blockchain can't reach 1%. I'm saying that Atlant can't. This is because by requiring investors to put in effort (as a result of decentralized management), their business model won't appeal to the masses when there are more passive opportunities available (on the blockchain as well), potentially with a better return. If you really want the details, I'm happy to explain, but it would be naive to say they can hit 1% of the real estate market just because Amazon hit 1% of the book market. Atlant might have its place, but their ownership model won't be mainstream with their current business model. Can you explain it how? I get your points butwe cant say it finally because we are not on the team and it is not finish atlant is just sfarting from now. Altlant has begun to big a big project but in terns of real estate wi will see it in the future. Most people aren't (and don't want to be) real estate experts. So, when Joe the plumber decides he wants to invest $500 into a real estate investment, he's got a few options: 1) invest in a public REIT 2) Invest through Atlant (decentralized management) 3) Invest through another [Suspicious link removed]pany with centralized management Let's put the REIT option aside and focus on #2 and #3. What advantage does Atlant really provide? Joe has more control over his investment. From a day to day perspective, this is generally limited to just voting on the management company each year, which shouldn't be too difficult (as long as everything is going well). But before he even gets to the ownership part, Joe has to decide which property he wants to invest in. A property was put up for sale and there's plenty of info to support a decision, but he's got to go through that process himself. Deciding if he's OK with the location, condition, broader market, etc. So he's got control over which investments to make, but not really over the day to day stuff. It's not like it's even that efficient from a cost perspective because he's still paying fees to Atlant token holders (7%) at inception, and to the property manager. That's a lot of work for a $500 investment, so he'll likely want to invest through a platform that where he can rely on real estate experts to make some of these decisions for him. If there are options where he can rely on the expertise of others to help with the initial decision making process, I think they will attract more investors than Atlant will. I disagree with most of what you said. 1- I think real estate has pervaded the public (at least in the U.S.) and most average people would find it appealing to be real estate investors of some kind but just have a huge barrier of entry. 2- I dont believe in the term "real estate experts" I think that's horseshit and even if there are i believe most people would rather invest in real estate themselves. 3- decentralization has upsides of not having to deal with different people (barrier of entry), cutting out silly middlemen, and possibly buying property to get away from paying taxes. 4- i want to buy a house from my bedroom. 1) agreed 2) Are you saying that you understand real estate as well as someone who's spent their entire career doing it? 3) agreed 4) agreed While I agree on points 1, 3 and 4, there are other companies offering access to real estate that don't have issue #2. That's a big deal. Before you invest in real estate, you should understand things like market occupancy, cap rates, rents, job growth, supply, demand drivers, access to amenities, etc. Do you have the resources to find out if there's a brand new office building being built half a mile down the road from the one you just invested in? I didn't even mention the fact that it's unclear if these properties would qualify for traditional financing because of the way they are structured. If not, or if it's at a higher cost, investors will have lower returns relative to other investment structures. The Atlant team didn't have an answer to this when I asked. |
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true, there's no chance that amazon will capture 1% of the book market either
I'm not saying that a real estate company on the blockchain can't reach 1%. I'm saying that Atlant can't. This is because by requiring investors to put in effort (as a result of decentralized management), their business model won't appeal to the masses when there are more passive opportunities available (on the blockchain as well), potentially with a better return. If you really want the details, I'm happy to explain, but it would be naive to say they can hit 1% of the real estate market just because Amazon hit 1% of the book market. Atlant might have its place, but their ownership model won't be mainstream with their current business model. Can you explain it how? I get your points butwe cant say it finally because we are not on the team and it is not finish atlant is just sfarting from now. Altlant has begun to big a big project but in terns of real estate wi will see it in the future. Most people aren't (and don't want to be) real estate experts. So, when Joe the plumber decides he wants to invest $500 into a real estate investment, he's got a few options: 1) invest in a public REIT 2) Invest through Atlant (decentralized management) 3) Invest through another blockchain company with centralized management Let's put the REIT option aside and focus on #2 and #3. What advantage does Atlant really provide? Joe has more control over his investment. From a day to day perspective, this is generally limited to just voting on the management company each year, which shouldn't be too difficult (as long as everything is going well). But before he even gets to the ownership part, Joe has to decide which property he wants to invest in. A property was put up for sale and there's plenty of info to support a decision, but he's got to go through that process himself. Deciding if he's OK with the location, condition, broader market, etc. So he's got control over which investments to make, but not really over the day to day stuff. It's not like it's even that efficient from a cost perspective because he's still paying fees to Atlant token holders (7%) at inception, and to the property manager. That's a lot of work for a $500 investment, so he'll likely want to invest through a platform that where he can rely on real estate experts to make some of these decisions for him. If there are options where he can rely on the expertise of others to help with the initial decision making process, I think they will attract more investors than Atlant will. |
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true, there's no chance that amazon will capture 1% of the book market either
I'm not saying that a real estate company on the blockchain can't reach 1%. I'm saying that Atlant can't. This is because by requiring investors to put in effort (as a result of decentralized management), their business model won't appeal to the masses when there are more passive opportunities available (on the blockchain as well), potentially with a better return. If you really want the details, I'm happy to explain, but it would be naive to say they can hit 1% of the real estate market just because Amazon hit 1% of the book market. Atlant might have its place, but their ownership model won't be mainstream with their current business model. |
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Everything eventually gets sold online, thats what the past 20 years have taught us. Real estate is the final type of transaction to enter the internet. It doesnt even have to disrupt real estate, if 1% of real estate transactions are made on Atlant, the token will easily be worth 50+
Sorry, but there's not a chance that Atlant will capture 1% of the real estate market. |
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lol...people keep talking about bounties. You're missing the point - its not about bounties, its about investing in a platform that can disrupt a multi trillion dollar market. The price isn't even half a dollar...obviously the project could fail, but if it succeeds and you buy in now or even a year from now you can become a millionaire.
The ownership part of the business model will never be something that becomes mainstream enough to disrupt the industry. It's too much of a different approach to be anything more than a niche product. That doesn't mean it can't be "successful", but I don't think this will make many people millionaires. |
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They mentioned in Telegram that there have been 650 people whitelisted for the presale so far. My sense is that's 650 is pretty good for the presale, but it's hard to say.
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Read the project's VP. A little confused due to the hard cap did not begin to limit. All the block-funds do this, at least the ones I saw. And here they decided to neglect it, didn’t they?
No neglect, as you put it. This is a deliberate decision. REALISTO chose the ICO format without the hard cap limitation, as there is no reason to limit the ability of investors to purchase high-yield real estate. In real estate, the more capital you can use, the more diversified and stable your investment portfolio will be Ok! It became clearer. But why then did most of the rest restrict the hard cap? Do you seriously think that someone is ready to answer for these "other funds" that you have studied?) Look again: 90% of the capital will be used to finance portfolios of the Main Pool and the Pool of Opportunities. This choice of format for the sale of tokens without capping on the hard cap is entirely aimed at sending the maximum amount of funds raised for the intended purpose. Well, then would it be more logical to not install soft and hard cap at all? They are only confusing. You have found a niche with almost unlimited possibilities No, it's not logical! This is due to the fact that the tokens are provided with assets, and the more REA tokens will be distributed free of charge in the form of pre-sale bonuses, the less funds (in relation to the released tokens) will be directed to the purchase of assets. That's so logical, isn’t it? Thank you, then put everything on the shelves. And how will the cost of tokens be formed in the implementation of the project? From what to depend? The token price will depend on two things: 1) value of the underlying real estate 2} progress on attracting new real estate experts to launch their own investments on the platform |
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Read the project's VP. A little confused due to the hard cap did not begin to limit. All the block-funds do this, at least the ones I saw. And here they decided to neglect it, didn’t they?
No neglect, as you put it. This is a deliberate decision. REALISTO chose the ICO format without the hard cap limitation, as there is no reason to limit the ability of investors to purchase high-yield real estate. In real estate, the more capital you can use, the more diversified and stable your investment portfolio will be Ok! It became clearer. But why then did most of the rest restrict the hard cap? Most other tokens aren't backed by real assets, so a cap is more important. This article explains it in more detail: https://medium.com/@crypto_dax/asset-backed-token-icos-how-important-is-a-hard-cap-7294253112ed |
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Err... where is TG chat? Did they shut it down?
Yeah, they shut it down |
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How likely is it that the beta and airdrop happen this year?
They are definitely expected to be before year end. |
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Except the ATLANT which is in the controversy right now, almost all real estate related projects failed, they are very active and alive at the start like REX but turn out to be a failed project later, what do you think is the reason? Are we really ready for a real-estate crypto project?
It's a good question because you have to look at asset backed tokens differently than other tokens. It's possible that investors have to get used to this, but it's not very complex, so I don't think it's a big hurdle. In fact, I find asset backed tokens much easier to analyze. Atlant isn't even an asset backed token, but their business model sucks in my opinion, so that may be why they aren't doing well. I think the right business model with the right team can do well. |
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Gentlemen, isn’t it enough for Berlin alone with its real estate market? Diversification is the way to reduce risks! So we have to look wider - and pay attention to other markets.
At the moment, it’s already quite a lot! The Berlin real estate market has an annual volume of transactions of $24 billion, which is approximately one-seventh of the market capitalization of all existing crypto-currencies ($180 billion). Yeah, that’s right! It turns out the share is very big. Does it also turn out that the whole market can be provided with crypto-currency? But you can’t use no matter what crypto-currency! You can use any of them, but a considerable project chooses the most high-quality one. For example, the ether-crypto currency of the Efirium, which is capitalized at $ 28 billion, can be chosen. So you’re right, the owners of crypto-currencies have significant opportunities to influence the real estate market in Berlin. If crypto-currency is capable to exert such a significant influence on the market, it should lead to the increase in prices, shouldn’t it? After all, there will be more money, and, consequently inflation will take place. The impact this will have on cryptocurrency is in the amount of profits it generates. Even though investors are contributing cryptos, it'll be converted to fiat before being invested in real estate. Those assets will back your token value, but real estate won't be transacted in cryptos. Cash flow from the property will also be paid in fiat. Realisto will then convert this fiat to ETH and distribute it to investors as dividends. That's where projects like this can have an impact on the crypto market, since those dividend conversions will be new capital flowing into ETH. |
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How can you make real estate investment available for everyone? After all, not everyone has sufficient savings for such expensive purchases
That's the point. By tokenizing real estate, you can participate with as much or as little money as you want. You don't need a lot of money. |
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Looking at the project and other past real estate projects in the space and their performance on the exchange I really don't feel there is a place for real estate on blockchain, to me it is as if there is free money in town doing ICO to collect money from these people
A couple of "real estate" projects have tanked hard after their ICO (Atlant and REAL), but their models were very different than Realisto. I wouldn't touch either of those right now, even at their discounted prices, but I have confidence in Realisto. It's important to note that any tokens backed by an asset (like real estate) is different than other ICOs, so keep that in mind, but you can't lump all these real estate projects into the same bucket. |
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There’s such a question: if I am ready to invest a fairly large sum in the project and, of course, I'm worried about this ... This sum will be comparable to the price of housing in Berlin. Let’s suppose the project has failed. What do I get in the end? Can my risks be insured in such a way that I will receive as compensation at least the same housing that will be purchased within the project?
Are you asking if you can get one of the properties as compensation if the project fails? |
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FYI - Melissa just answered many of my questions privately, so they are still communicating even though the Telegram group is closed. Since it was a private conversation, I don't want to post it here publicly without permission. I still have concerns, but I at least wanted to mention that they are listening.
Melissa asked that I not copy/paste the conversation here because she's concerned it could lead to confusion, which would just feed the trolls.
That said, she gave me permission to answer similar questions here if I know the answer.
I've got few questions then: - is the delay in platform deploy caused by not meeting goals, or did they come across legal problems that were not foreseen? - are they already selling their ETH benefitting from good price, or are they willing to wait till property acqusition? I don't know if they have cashed out their ETH yet...I didn't ask that question. Based on her comments to me, it seems like they are still trying to work through their structure. They are trying to do something innovative, so it takes time. Melissa assured me that the process requires more than just setting up an SPV, but she didn't go into more detail. She did mention they are working with Dentons, a top law firm. At the same time, they are also exploring markets in Southeast Asia to invest in. |
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I haven't bought ATL yet, but the project seems pretty appealing to me. Do you think this is a good time to buy in? Cause from the looks of it, the price should drop even lower, and stay there until some big things come for this project, which i believe would happen no sooner than mid 2018.
I'm still skeptical about the ownership platform they are building, but I think the p2p business has potential if they can pull it off. |
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Hello! Lots of attention is paid to the real estate market in Berlin in your strategy. I’m sure that this isn’t accidental. There’re a lot of illustrative and informative statistics, but what about other regions and major cities in Europe?
Hello! You have well outlined that much attention is paid to Berlin in the summary of the strategy of this company. The reasons are the following: it is the largest city in Europe; this is an illustrative example, because it is Berlin where there is a very high population growth despite the shortage of housing; Germany is the leading European country, the situation in which we can guided buy and rely on in our forecasts. Excellent! I got it. But what about the countries which are, for example, not the leading ones and not the major ones? I think that when developing the strategy, Realisto experts analyzed the statistics of the whole Europe, carried out different kinds of segmentation of markets to assess their prospects and depth. Berlin was one of such segments. However, there are a number of countries and cities that have become something like a “second line” in recent years within the Europe. People from Asia and Eastern Europe invest actively in real estate of these countries. Switzerland and Monaco stay apart. The company's staff is developing or finalizing an investment strategy for each segment now. This isn't correct. The Realisto team will focus ONLY on Berlin real estate because that's the market they know best. Their platform will allow other investment managers to invest anywhere around the world. It will be different companies managing those investments, but they will pay fees to Realisto to be able to use the platform. As a token holder, you'll get a percentage of those fees. So people will be able to invent around the world through the Realisto platform through various investment managers. |
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