mmm just questioning again, do any of you also get api errors with mtred ? I assume mtred is also unusable now or am I wrong?
I never get api errors with mtred. I get api errors with btcguild. Also, weirdness with ozcoi.in. I have two solved blocks with them, and the newer one has 3x the confirmations as the older one?? How is that possible? Well its not hopping to mtred anymore so the API in latest bithopper doesnt work with mtred anymore? Did you change anything? Mtred is at ~130k shares so it should have been hopping to mtred long ago, just gettin api error similar to btcg api error :/ My bithopper jumped the INSTANT mtred solved a block to mtred. What I am wondering is why it switched off of mtred and went back to ozcoin before hitting the magic 43% or whatever number. I don't know exactly when bithopper hopped off of mtred and back to ozcoin, but it was before 500k shares on mtred. Does bithopper see greater potential in mining at ozcoin at 250k shares than at mtred at 500k shares or something? No idea how that works. I thought bithopper jumped to a new pool and mined there until 680k shares unless there was a block solved at one of the other pools? It seems to jump to a pool after it solves a block but then switch pools again before hitting or coming near to 680k shares and return to the smaller pool with fewer shares that hasn't solved a block in hours. Maybe this is the right way to do it, i have no idea. |
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mmm just questioning again, do any of you also get api errors with mtred ? I assume mtred is also unusable now or am I wrong?
I never get api errors with mtred. I get api errors with btcguild. Also, weirdness with ozcoi.in. I have two solved blocks with them, and the newer one has 3x the confirmations as the older one?? How is that possible? |
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has any hopper actually made any coin on ozco.in? seems like I have mined there quite a bit to have a zero account.
they dont seem to post any info on pending... Are we sure they are proportional?
I also get a high stale rate there, anyone else?
and why does our hopper disagree with fasthopper.com so often?
er what is the formula for hopping?
I was just semi freaking out about this exact thing. Thought they might have sent automatic payment or something but it wasn't showing up. Their website needs to be updated to show unconfirmed payment. To see how much you have made, go to Pool Stats, go to the section that says "Last 10 Blocks Found" and click on All Blocks Found and it will tell you how much you earned per block and how many confirmations are left. I get like 10% stales there because they are apparently hosting their site in the middle of the outback off of a laptop using a tethered cell phone for internet access. |
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what sort of efficiencies you seeing? mine are mostly 1.5 to 1.8
I don't have any fancy stats setup or anything, but the first 24 hours I mined, which ended about an hour ago for me, I mined 92.3% more than I normally do. Almost doubled what I should be making. That is only counting what is confirmed and unconfirmed. Have unfinished rounds at ozco.in and bitp.it which should boost todays efficiency up pretty high when the blocks are finally found. Bitp.it has efficiency off the charts which is why I did so well today. How do you calculate the efficiency on a per pool basis? Are you using that proxy setup? |
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Wow, bitp.it just started having connection problems and within minutes their hashrate fell 50%. Think they might be getting a little hopped.
they were totally hopped:  but it was only a small hitch at the end there after stable hashrate for 2.5 hours. Don't think hopping was the issue. Mt Red has the ball now anyway, and bitpit are back to 50 Ghps. No, I don't think hopping caused the connection issues. I am just amazed at how pervasive hopping is that it more than doubled their hash rate. Makes me feel like a chump for not jumping on the hopping bandwagon sooner. Used to "hop" manually only when long blocks came up with fairly good success, but nothing like what I am seeing with bithopper. |
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Wow, bitp.it just started having connection problems and within minutes their hashrate fell 50%. Think they might be getting a little hopped.
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yep, not sure how the decision making process works. but the most important bit for us - total round shares - are there. i asked the site operator if he could be bothered adding triplemining and nofeemining and his own json api - would give us an easy way to add those pools that have messy or non json apis.
I would gladly donate to that site if it would enable deepbit support in bithopper. deepbit support is only provided to donators |
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btc guild now reporting total shares - only not via the pools stats page. luckily if you want to mine btcg, you can find and use (with some regex) the data here: http://fasthoop.appspot.com/Thats a pretty awesome page. Wonder why they see bitcoins.lc as the best pool to mine right now instead of bitp.it, which is where bithopper has me mining. Bitp.it just gave me my daily quota of BTC on a single 50 minute round, so I am inclined to disagree with that site on that one, lol. |
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Holy shit bitp.it. I think I love you.
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Seems like bitcoins.lc has a 30 minute delay on reporting a block solved. Just switched over exactly 30 minutes after they solved a block after mining on a backup pool for the prior 30 minutes.
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bitcoins.lc also does the same thing like BTCguild
I don't think so. BTC guild spoofs their shares so bithopper would never stop mining at their pool. Also, is it possible for bithopper to absolutely cripple an internet connection? I have fiber directly to my house and for the first time in years it was brought to its knees for about 20 minutes today (first day running bithopper). |
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C:\c00w-bitHopper-50ab019>bitHopper.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\c00w-bitHopper-50ab019\bitHopper.py", line 7, in <module>
import work
File "C:\c00w-bitHopper-50ab019\work.py", line 12, in <module>
from bitHopper import *
File "C:\c00w-bitHopper-50ab019\bitHopper.py", line 16, in <module>
import lp
File "C:\c00w-bitHopper-50ab019\lp.py", line 11, in <module>
from twisted.internet import reactor, defer
File "C:\Python27\lib\site-packages\twisted\internet\reactor.py", line 37, in
<module>
from twisted.internet import selectreactor
File "C:\Python27\lib\site-packages\twisted\internet\selectreactor.py", line 1
7, in <module>
from zope.interface import implements
ImportError: No module named zope.interface
C:\c00w-bitHopper-50ab019>
I had python installed already, I installed twisted.. that didn't work. I installed zope.interface by putting it in "C:\Python27\Lib\site-packages" directory...
I am still getting this damn error. What is the problem and why won't this damn zope.interface install correctly on Win7?
Thank you and please help me.
Are you placing the .egg file in that directory? Thats what I did and I got the same error. You have to unzip the .egg file and place the contents in that directory, then it works perfectly. Just open it up with winrar or whatever you use to extract things. |
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Is there a way to simply re-enable bitcoins.lc? I would look to see how he handled the multiclone situation before re-enabling. He banned multiclone but decided to keep their coins they generated. after outcry, he relented but the guy comes off as a real douche. I can see being annoyed with hoppers, and dont have a problem with the banning, but taking the coins and being a dick about it was wrong. I dont care if you hop him, just think you should know the kinda guy he is, and just know unlike multiclone, if he bans you and steals your coin, it is hard to have an outcry with only one individual. I know. I just feel that the chances of getting banned are slim to none. he banned multiclone because one account had thousands of connections every second and it was harming the pool. bithopper doesnt work like that. On a separate note, what is a better implementation of bithopper. Running a separate bithopper instance on each machine I am mining in or pointing all my miners on various rigs to one machine running bithopper on my network? |
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Is there a way to simply re-enable bitcoins.lc?
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I have to ask. Why do some people get no fees at Mt.Gox while others get .3% fees? What is their justification for this? Seems unfair as shit, especially because I am in the .3% camp.
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This post documents a basic misunderstanding of the variance of Bitcoin. The past luckiness of a pool, or even how long the current round is, has nothing to do with how much you will make in future rounds. Every single time your computer trys a block hash, it has a very small chance of solving it that is always the same, a chance that is only based on the difficulty setting of Bitcoin. Your average earnings are completely based on how many shares you submit in a round, which is completely based on your hashrate. Whether you solo mine, or join the biggest pool, your expected earnings from your personal hash rate against this 'difficulty' problem will always average out to be the same. Only pool fees (and rejected shares or downtimes) can affect your expected earnings; and you can buffer against possible pool downtimes by running a second miner per GPU pointed at a different pool.
Your last sentence is kind of a lie. Pools go through waves of luckiness and unluckiness. I dont know why this is, but it IS the case. If you leave unlucky pools and join lucky ones you effect your expected earnings in a positive manner. For example, deepbit has outperformed bitcoins.lc everyday this week. If bitcoins.lc outperforms deepbit everyday next week, then someone who stuck with either pool will end up in a wash while someone who was at deepbit this week and bitcoins.lc the next will come out ahead. Its all a gamble. When a pool pays me out below what I expect to get paid for my hash rate a couple days in a row, I usually check out the other two pools I am registered in and jump in right after a long round has just finished. I have noticed very long rounds are very rarely grouped together. Maybe there is no factual basis to what I do, but it has certainly worked for me as I have mined more bitcoins than all of the calculators told me was possible with my connection consistantly for each difficulty since I started mining. |
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Not for two weeks, no. but the odd long block.. yes. That being said, There has been a massive jump in difficulty as of late, and considering we still pop off the occasional 20 min block, it's not as bad as it would seem to be. The only issue really, are the very few "too long" blocks. That needs to be solved. Quite frankly though, we could go a week without seeing another one of those and still not know if its solved or not. However, I'd rather not see another for a while and just assume its fixed; then seeing proof that its not.  No, its been at least two weeks. I switched my main pool two weeks ago and switched again a few days ago, and have been monitoring them all to see if I made the right decision. MtRed has consistently made more than bitcoins.lc would have for me up from the time i switched until a few days ago, and now deepbit is doing the same. Bitcoins.lc before that point was making me a LOT more than I would have made at other pools. I would be right back to bitcoins.lc as I really liked the pool except for the no full payout thing if it was earning me the most for my mining. The best day bitcoins.lc had in the last 2 weeks was the 13th, and I would have made ~.45btc. Instead I was mining at deepbit and mined .47BTC. Every other day pretty much I would have been off by at LEAST .1 BTC mining at bitcoins.lc, which is 20%, save for the 5th of july. On the fifth of july I was able to mine half at MtRed and half at bitcoins.lc and really made a fairly good gain, even though I would have been better off probably just staying at bitcoins.lc for that one day. |
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I was working out some numbers and thought that I would share. I worked out the average time it is taking this pool to solve a block at each difficulty. I only went back as far as Duration was listed under "Found blocks". current difficulty 135072 (still ongoing - Next Difficulty in 1006 blocks)
5.568678161 hours for 29 blocks from 135110 (7/7/11 04:36am) to 136058 (13/7/11 11:14am)
last difficulty 133056
5.598598485 hours for 44 blocks from 133151 (25/6/11 03:34am) to 135052 (6/7/11 05:45pm) Don't look at the above times and cringe, it make no difference what pool you are in. If they are solving on average one block every 20 minutes (microscopic payouts) or one every 2 days (larger payouts), you will end up being paid the same (excluding fees, donations and minimum balance for payout). It may be that this pool is lucky at the moment and solving blocks faster than it was at the last difficulty, but it is more likely due to the Ghash/sec growing because new members are joining. That isn't true. Moving pools when one gets unlucky is very smart. I started at deepbit until it stopped making me as much as I should be making. Jumped over to bitcoins.lc and made WAY more than I should be making for several weeks. Then it started to get really unlucky. Jumped to MtRed for 2 weeks making way more than bitcoins.lc would have made (i monitored it daily). Dumped MtRed a few days ago and went back to deepbit and so far have outperformed MtRed everyday since the move. Sticking with a single pool is a good way to lower your efficiency. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love MtRed because of the awesome features, but I go where the bitcoins be flowin. |
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I guess this pool has been having some pretty awful luck for the last 2 weeks.
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Pretty much anyone who sees the potential of Bitcoin transacting and has money to invest should be investing. The first person to come up with a well designed POS system will likely capture the first mover and networking advantages, dominate the market, and make millions. Your question is like asking, "who the hell is investing in exchange services" about 6 months ago. Sure, it would've seemed like a stupid money-losing investment then, but look at Mtgox activity and profits today.
No, my question is not like asking that. Exchange services serve a purpose that had to exist. POS systems and ATM's do not need to exist. The need for them to exist will come AFTER bitcoin becomes a stable and very widely used currency. All POS systems and ATM's would serve now is an extra useless layer between turning your real money into purchased goods. Take your real money, put it in the ATM, get out your wacky crazy bitcoin money, go to store, pay with wacky crazy bitcoin money, which the teller has to then turn instantly back into real money. Its like a giftcard with none of the advantages for the seller. |
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