Amazon delivering packages with drones is the least of my robotic worries.
Flying Hellfire armed Predators over Ferguson definitely got my attention.


Emailing them AGAIN tomorrow.
Asking for pricing on 1K 1385's.
Should be enough for ~50 TypeZero's.

When I know, this thread will know.

Ditto


Ok, I'll say their evil AND sleazy bastards.

The hang with Google and others is there is no way for the individual to track/control what personal information is disseminated to whom when.
Combine this with the fact the average "user" has no clue how that information can be analyzed and used is particularly compromising.

Most of the big search engines (Google, Yahoo/Bing, etc) and data miners (Axiom, et.al.) have entire divisions that service LE, it's a huge profit center for them.
As a personal individual I cannot access or correct the information all of the above have on file about me. Yet LE can. What if it's in error?

Sorry to hijack the thread but the problem is worse than one might imagine and I could not resist making a comment.

F'ing Awesome!!

So how long does it take to PnP 30 boards?

Favorite OS was the executive routine on the Univac CP-890/B mainframe.
WinNT was good (server and Workstation), XP, Win 7.
We run Rocks on the bigger of our 2 super computers (~200 Tflop) which is based on Centos and Centos on the smaller one (~50 Tflop).
All our VPN servers run Centos.
We have a smattering of HP DL380's in house that run Centos as well that host a variety of guest OS's.

A little secret, the way Vbox presents CPU cores to a guest OS is to present 1 physical CPU that has XXX internal cores.
This allows us to run Win 7 Pro as a guest OS with, say, 48 cores under VBox.
Thereby bypassing the physical cpu processing limit imposed by MS in their different OS's.

The Rocks Compute Cluster is used primarily to generate 4K/8K/16K DH keys and large Mersenne primes.
The smaller SC is used for DNN (Deep Neural Network) data mining/natural language processing and hosts our "air gapped" Win 7 accounting VM.

We are of the mindset to use an OS that is appropriate for the task at hand.

Take a vid of robot in action, pretty please (with a cherry on top).

I'd refine that to samples of production units versus samples of a test run. Cuz' a whole bunch of stuff could change as a result of test chip testing.


Finally, the saga might be over.
I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya'.

We have an incoming $3500 payment from a customer coming in.
I have ear marked this money to buy a small quantity (~1K) of chips from BM, assuming they decide to sell some.
Having said that, I'm a slut, if any other chip supplier has a suitable chip for sale prior to that they'll get the $3500 (first come first served).
Whomever's chips will be shipped to GS (with their approval ofc) for insertion onto hash boards.
We assume that a certain number of chips would be destroyed n the development process.

Once a suitable design is manufactured and field proven we'd be up for a real quantity purchase of chips (and then boards, ofc).

And regarding capex equipment purchases, I've had my eye on a CNC router for more than a year.
Something that will route polycarbonate and thin sheet AL for immersion tank construction.

Made a corporate decision a while back that we're done buying equipment that has a programmed obsolescence (S(odd) and C1).
I'm sick and tired of replacing perfectly good equipment every 6 months - a year solely due to fixed a Vcore which caps the maximum efficiency of the gear.
Screw that.
And yeah I know I could rip apart miners, mod the hash boards (at least to some extent) and get better efficiency. That's a doable option on 1-5 machines but not on 50+.

It is my belief that even the venerable S1, had it been designed with a reasonable lifespan in mind, could be profitable to operate in today's environment given an adjustable Vcore and clock. But it wasn't and neither was any of the BM follow on products. I believe this was part of a designed marketing campaign to continue to sell "new" equipment. Smart practice for miner manufacturer's but not very good for the 200Th/s and down crowd. As such, we're committed to purchasing/building equipment that will "stand the test of time" versus a throw-away mentality.

GS's designs embody this thought process and consequently we will opt to buy their product(s) over a competitor's.

Phil - I am very curious to hear, when your S7's come in, whether one can adjust Vcore and if so by how much.

The A3 is Scrypt, the A4 is SHA-256.
The have a prototype run of both and are looking for vaporware funding (a pre-buy in bulk qty's) for a tapeout of production units.
I know cuz' we asked, but I'm NOT going to dump a ton of cash to fund their dev effort (shades of BFL).
If we're going to dump a ton of cash on an endeavor like that it'll be our own dev or community dev effort.

GS is not alone, we got the same BS response (more than once) when we inquired about buying industrial quantities of chips.

Like being told to buy a new car when all one needs is a set of spark plugs.

"... PlanetCrypto is a somewhat industrial customer, ..."

With the nonavailability of affordable efficient hardware, something with "legs", we are becoming less "industrial" with every difficulty increase. If the trend that the community has experienced over the last six months continues we will be out of the game, so to speak. It is in our best interests, as a company, to promote and assist in anyway possible GS et. al. Simply put, it's a matter of survival for the BTC mining department/division of our organization.

I ran the ROI calculations on the new S7, and for us, it ROI's in early May of 2016. By the time the block reward drops to 1/2 an S7 exhibits $200-$300 net retained earnings on a roughly $2000 investment. That's crap. Effectively amounting to ~10% APR. There are other divisions of this entity that could use that same capital investment and return much higher retained earnings over the same period (Solar farming, VPN, Public Electrical Vehicle charging network, etc . . .).

To distill it down to it's simplest, if one or more chip manufacturers does not sell state-of-the-art chips for inclusion in a GS hash board (whatever that may be) we will be forced to shutdown our BTC mining operations and pursue other profits centers.

I work under moral, ethical, and contractual obligations to run this entity in the most profitable manner.
Sorry guys/gals, but we do it to show a profit for our shareholders and not for altruistic reasons.
I can absolutely guarantee that if/when profitable BTC mining becomes impossible, I'll shut it down in a New York nanosecond.
Till then I'll investigate any avenue that permits this division to continue operations.
Right now, as of today, this instant, I believe our best shot is to obtain some chips from either Innosilicon or BM1385's and have GS manufacture hash boards.
The next best "best shot" is to pursue fabricating our own chip(s) or mother a community effort to the same ends.

The S7 is NOT a viable option for us and our operations.
And at ~$2000 each we will likely not buy one, even for testing, favoring to spend that capital elsewhere.

What I'd like to see/buy is a retro fit S(odd) physically sized board, USB interface, that is voltage and clock adjustable, and has current monitoring at either the chip, string, or board level. That hashes somewhere in the .05W/GH/s to .3W/GH/s range.

Or one could build an appropriately dimensioned tank and dunk a buttload of'em in Novec 7100.

Profit is a nebulous term. What I pay attention to is retained earnings.


North Lakes Auto





These and more images may be found @ http://ftp://fullgoosebozo.net/

To the best of my knowledge there isn't one.


Per the physics laws of the conservation of energy, the only energy that does not get converted to heat in a miner is the energy used to light the LED's.
Everything else gets converted to heat, at a rate of ~3.15 BTU per watt.
So an overclocked S3 ends up being a ~1200 - ~1300 BTU heater.
A C1 that uses 4 S3 hash boards dissipates about ~2500 BTU per unit.

We have 5 installations that use BM C1's for comfort heat (my own home included) typically the coolant flow from the C1's is manifolded and pumped (w/ Taco hydronic infloor circulators) through PEX tubing as in floor heat.
Last winter all the installations heated the respective buildings at a profit. Most ROI'ed the hardware cost.

A couple of the installations use "off peak" or "Dual Fuel" priced electricity ($0.0465 KWh and $0.08 KWh respectively) this would make an S3 or a C1 profitable given the current network difficulty and price of BTC.
Worst case scenario given the above, is it might cost you a few penny's per day to run them. But certainly cheaper than resistive baseboard heat where there is no compensation to offset the electrical cost.

We are actually working on building a replacement 2 phase immersion cooled solid state hot water boiler. Targeted for the residential comfort heating market/industry. A prototype may be viewed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fStHV_Q-x7s Which BTW is using 2 S3 hash boards. Our YouTube channel is located here: https://www.youtube.com/user/PlanetCrypto

As a standalone unit, we like the C1's versus the S3's as they make less noise during operation.

Stated simply, I live in Minnesota and heated my home at a profit last winter.
I anticipate doing this again this autumn/winter/spring.
I currently have 2 C1's running in the living room.

If I were you (and I'm not) I'd keep the S3's, strategically place them around the house as needed, and run them in lieu of the baseboard heat. I would probably electrically disconnect the baseboard heaters, wire in outlets, and plug the miner(s) into those outlets.

Hope this helps.

MX-4

http://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Performance-Compound-Interface-Material/dp/B0045JCFLY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1440541753&sr=8-1&keywords=MX-4&pebp=1440541709147&perid=0J0XTDQMQT4H00B53G0E

http://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-MX-4-Thermal-Compound-Non-Electricity/dp/B004ULZITS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1440541753&sr=8-2&keywords=MX-4

I have money/BTC in hand "he who shall not be named" won't take it.

Sandwiches sound good, Jimmy Johns it is then.

No pressure as you really can't do squat (almost literally  ) until "the one who shall remain nameless" gets off their respective bums and sells chips.

Have a really good handle on what it's like to be a mushroom (kept in the dark and feed crap).

What a name for a company, Mushroom Development, LLC. 

I've got 10 S1's, 12 S3's, 22 C1's and they all need to be upgraded.
Hint hint.

Concur


Good, it's about time a manufacturer started paying attention to the intelligence available in the community at large.


IMHO:
It's still a 28nm product, a 28nm process with some maturing improvements, but never the less it's old tech.
Of conspicuous notice is the last revision date (upper left hand corner of every page) of 8/20/2015. As of this writing that's a mere 9 days ago.
The datasheet has the kind of info S/W guys will like, but leaves the H/W guys guessing a bit.
Looks like they listened to sidehack et. al.'s comment/desire to bring the power in on one side and GRND on the pad (application of common sense).

Do I like it? Yup.
Can I get it? NOPE!.

My position remains: The bestest coolest tech in the world ain't worth the powder to blow it to hell if I can't buy it.
As such, releasing the datasheet is relegated to hyping their design for a complete miner (of which the profit margins are higher than chip sales) versus actually providing the community with a usable, reliably available, power consumption competitive raw component.

They released just enough info to get us talking about it, versus us talking about Innosilicon's 14nm chip, a community based dev effort, or something else.
This boils down to marketing BS nothing more.
It's commonly known that any press is better than no press, as such I'll have no further public comment about their "new" chip and/or S7.
Sell me 1K chips at a reasonable price and I'll change my tune.

HAMLET [Re-enter Players with recorders]
O, the recorders! let me see one. To withdraw with you: -- why do you go about to recover the wind of me, as if you would drive me into a toil?

GUILDENSTERN
O, my lord, if my duty be too bold, my love is too unmannerly.

HAMLET
I do not well understand that. Will you play upon this pipe?

GUILDENSTERN
My lord, I cannot.

HAMLET
I pray you.

GUILDENSTERN
Believe me, I cannot.

HAMLET
I do beseech you.

GUILDENSTERN
I know no touch of it, my lord.

HAMLET
Why, look you now, how unworthy a thing you make of me!
You would play upon me,
You would seem to know my stops,
You would pluck out the heart of my mystery,
You would sound me from my lowest note to the top of my compass;
and there is much music, excellent voice, in this little organ, yet cannot you make it speak.
'Sblood, do you think I am easier to be played on than a pipe?
Call me what instrument you will, though you can fret me, yet you cannot play upon me.

BTW, using the projected design one could get 8 20 chip boards into a C1 chassis versus 4 for the S1/S3/S5 making it a 5.2 TH/s liquid cooled machine drawing ~1125W.

And all we (the community) needs are the chips.

As far as as I know, the 18 chip board will be a 20 chip board whose mounting is hole compatible with 1/2 of a S1/S3/S5/C1 heatsink/waterblock.
Assuming stock clock and Vcore with an operating efficiency of .216 W/GH/s and 80 chips total. 80 x 32.5 GH/s = 2600 GH/s (2.6 TH/s) drawing ~561W.
IF GS et. al. works a little magic and permits Vcore adjustment (which likely they will) this board via devolting/declocking will remain profitable to operate well into 2016.



Plus/minus a couple of holes and in a word, YES.
and because the C1 uses S3 hash boards that unit can be included as well.

Now if Bitmain will sell chips, which currently they refuse to do, this endeavor could proceed forward.