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241  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Mengapa harus menggunakan alamat SegWit (Segregated Witness) on: February 02, 2024, 05:42:27 PM
Untuk poin yang segwit katanya bisa tidak di kenali di exchange mungkin maksudnya adalah saat kita melalukan penarikan dan menempel alamat segwit native tetapi sistem exchange itu tidak mengenalinya sehingga alamat itu tidak di anggap alamat bitcoin. Apakah maksudnya seperti itu ya? tapi kalo untuk exchange di indonesia keknya udah pada support semuanya ya, baik yang natif atau nested
242  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are people still interested in bankroll investment ? on: February 02, 2024, 07:40:30 AM
The question is in the subject  Kiss I’m genuinely just curious if people are still interested in this because I believe it’s a good way to “HODL” your bitcoin.

Do you mean investing in a casino bankroll? I've never done it before and I think it requires a large amount of capital to invest in a casino bankroll and like any investment, there are risks involved, such as losses or even having the money taken away by the casino. But I don't understand why you think investing in a casino bankroll is another way to hold bitcoin? if we hold bitcoin then we only need to keep our bitcoin, there is no risk in it as long as we can store it safely, the risk is only if there is a decline in the price of bitcoin but the amount we hold will remain the same
243  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [LEGAL] Diskusi Tentang Dasar Hukum Bitcoin (Cryptocurrency) di Indonesia on: February 02, 2024, 06:34:10 AM
Bagaimana pandangan agan terkait Hukum Perdagangan Aset Crypto menurut Hukum Islam, saya kira ini juga cukup menarik untuk dibahas karena Indonesia Merupakan salah satu Negara dengan Mayoritas Penganut Agama Islam terbesar di Dunia.
Hal yang menjadi topik hangat dalam pembahasan crypto biasanya berkaitan dengan.
  • Prinsip Riba
  • Ghoror/ketidak pastian

aspek ini juga penting untuk di kaji dan layak untuk jadi bahan diskusi, alih2 bahan untuk debat tetapi setiap orang harus memiliki dalil untuk melaksanakan aktivitas ekonomi yang baik menurut Agama mereka (islam)

Saya pikir agan bisa membuat thread lagi untuk membahas itu. Thread ini ane dedikasikan hanya untuk sharing tentang regulasi bitcoin yang dikeluarkan oleh pemerintah. Kalo dalam sudut pandang agama/norma, monggoh angan bisa buka tread baru.

Btw thanks untuk feedbacknya gan
244  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [Info] Rencana Google Merevisi Aturan Periklanan Mata Uang Kripto on: February 02, 2024, 02:58:53 AM
ane masih setuju kalau semisal google ngelarang sebuah project crypto tapi yang gak jelas dan berujung scam. Karena banyak ICO yang bertebaran.
Ngomongin Iklan kemarin udah katanya ada yang udah keluar di googlenya berita lupa ane namnya, terus lagi Iklan Metaverse Sandbox juga udah sering keluar di youtube ane.
Sampai sekarang ane masih yakin kalau filtering Google baik di store ataupun search engine mereka ga berfungsi. Masih banyak banget aplikasi dan iklan phishing berkaitan dengan kripto (ataupun tidak) yang bertebaran di depan ane. Mau ada peraturan larangan iklan atau tidak kayaknya ga berpengaruh terhadap scam ini, malah proyek legit yang terkena imbasnya (walau kayaknya yang beneran berduit lebih memilih iklan di Coingecko dst). Boleh dibilang melonggarnya atau meningkatnya penerimaan positif atas ETF ini bisa disyukuri kalau agan ingin trading, tapi ga bakal berdampak sama sekali terhadap pemberantasan scam. Ga akan kaget juga ane kalau nanti malah makin banyak iklan scam dengan label ETF yang lolos seleksi. Entah kenapa di Twitter juga sama aja kondisinya, mungkin perusahaan" gedhe ini ga menggunakan input manusia sama sekali buat filter kali.

Menurut ane karena sistem ads yang dikelola oleh google, twitter, facebok berjalan secara otomatis jadi iklan-iklan scam tetep bisa lolos dengan memainkan keyword saat memasukan iklan. Hal ini keknya sama kayak iklan obat herbal yang sulit dan seringe pasti kena ban saat mau jalanin iklannya di adword dan fb ads, tapi kalo udah mainin keyword biasanya bisa lolos. Ane pernah coba ngiklan di adword untuk obat herbal dan itu sulit karena termasuk keyword yang di ban tapi dengan sedikit trik iklan bisa jalan

Selama proses sortir dilakukan oleh algoritma maka hal-hal seperti itu pasti tetep terjadi gan, kalo di sortir sama manusia ntr proses jalanin iklannya jadi lama karena nunggu acc. Kalo akun udah diban karena ketahuan sering jalanin iklan yang dilarang maka tinggal bikin akun lainnya. Jadi tetep sulit dan ya, yang jadi korban malah iklan yang bener dan bukan scam
245  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [LEGAL] Diskusi Tentang Dasar Hukum Bitcoin (Cryptocurrency) di Indonesia on: February 02, 2024, 02:26:56 AM
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 ~ thread 11 Peraturan Pemerintah > 02 feb 2024
246  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 02, 2024, 02:12:25 AM
If bitcoin ....................................
If only bitcoin ....................................
Although bitcoin ....................................
Because bitcoins ....................................
Why bitcoins ....................................


What is the right word to fill it?
247  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / [LEGAL] Diskusi Tentang Dasar Hukum Bitcoin (Cryptocurrency) di Indonesia on: February 02, 2024, 12:39:55 AM
Mungkin sebelumnya sudah ada yang membahas legalitas atau dasar hukum bitcoin atau crypto di Indonesia, ane udah coba search dan menemukan beberapa thread tentang diskusi seputar hukum tentang bitcoin, antara lain;

Hukum dan Penggunaan Bitcoin di Indonesia ( Bitcoiner harus tau )
Menyikapi Hukum Bitcoin di Indonesia
Hukum bitcoin dalam islam

Ijinkan ane juga membuat thread tentang dasar hukum yang berlaku untuk bitcoin/crypto dan semoga bisa terus di update sehingga kita para member sebagai anggota forum utama bitcoin bisa update tentang dasar hukum bitcoin yang pastinya akan terus berkembang dari waktu ke waktu




DASAR HUKUM BITCOIN/CRYPTO DI INDONESIA


1. Undang-Undang No. 10 Tahun 2011 Tentang "Perubahan Atas UU No. 32 Tahun 1997 Tentang Perdagangan Berjangka Komoditi" ~ Lihat/Download PDF file
2. Peraturan Menteri Perdagangan Nomor 99 Tahun 2018 Tentang "Kebijakan Umum Penyelenggaraan Perdagangan Berjangka Aset Kripto (Crypto Asset)" ~ Lihat/Download PDF file
3. Peraturan Kepala Bappebti Nomor 3 Tahun 2019 tentang "Komoditi Yang Dapat Dijadikan Subjek Kontrak Berjangka, Kontrak Derivatif Syariah, dan/atau Kontrak Derivatif Lainnya Yang Diperdagangkan Di Bursa Berjangka" ~ Lihat/Download PDF file
4. Peraturan Badan Pengawas Perdagangan Berjangka Komoditi Nomor 2 Tahun 2019 Tentang "Penyelenggaraan Pasar Fisik Komoditi di Bursa Berjangka" ~ Lihat/Download PDF file
5. Peraturan Badan Pengawas Perdagangan Berjangka Komoditi Nomor 5 Tahun 2019 Tentang "Ketentuan Teknis Penyelenggaraan Pasar Fisik Aset Kripto (Crypto Asset) di Bursa Berjangka" ~ Lihat/Download PDF file
6. Peraturan Badan Pengawas Perdagangan Berjangka Komoditi Nomor 6 Tahun 2019 Tentang "Penerapan Program Anti Pencucian Uang Dan Pencegahan Pendanaan Terorisme Terkait Penyelenggaraan Pasar Fisik Komoditi Di Bursa Berjangka" ~ Lihat/Download PDF file
7. Peraturan Badan Pengawas Perdagangan Berjangka Komoditi Nomor 9 Tahun 2019 Tentang "Perubahan atas Peraturan Badan Pengawas Perdagangan Berjangka Komoditi Nomor 5 Tahun 2019 Tentang Ketentuan Teknis Penyelenggaraan Pasar Fisik Aset Kripto (Crypto Asset) Di Bursa Berjangka" ~ Lihat/Download PDF file
8. Peraturan Badan Pengawas Perdagangan Berjangka Komoditi Nomor 2 Tahun 2020 Tentang "Perubahan Kedua atas Peraturan Badan Pengawas Perdagangan Berjangka Komoditi Nomor 5 Tahun 2019 Ketentuan Teknis Penyelenggaraan Pasar Fisik Aset Kripto (Crypto Asset) di Bursa Berjangka" ~ Lihat/Download PDF file
9. Peraturan Badan Pengawas Perdagangan Berjangka Komoditi Nomor 11 Tahun 2022 tentang "Penetapan Daftar Aset Krypto yang Diperdagangkan Pasar Fisik Aset Kripto" ~ Lihat/Download PDF file
10. Peraturan Badan Pengawas Perdagangan Berjangka Komoditi Nomor 4 Tahun 2023 tentang "Perubahan Atas Peraturan Badan Pengawas Perdagangan Komoditi Nomor 11 Tahun 2022 tentang Penetapan Daftar Aset Kripto yang Diperdagangkan Di Pasar Fisik Aset Kripto" ~ Lihat/Download PDF file
11. Peraturan Menteri Keuangan (PMK) Nomor 68/PMK.03/2022 tentang "Pajak Pertambahan Nilai dan Pajak Penghasilan atas Transaksi Perdagangan Aset Kripto" ~ Lihat/Download PDF file

Note : Link PDF adalah link terercaya yang di link-kan secara langsung ke website resmi pemerintah




Dasar hukum undang-undang di atas adalah yang ane temukan dan beberapa sudah tidak berlaku karena sudah di revisi dengan undang-undang baru. Karena sulitnya mencari secara komplit tentang regulasi aset kripto di Indonesia maka daftar akan ane update berkala dengan masukan dari temen-temen semuanya karena data terbaru kayaknya masih ada yang terlewat


Source:
https://legalitas.org/tulisan/hukum-kripto-indonesia
https://bappebti.go.id/
248  Local / India / Re: Everything is becoming shitty with the local board. on: February 01, 2024, 02:40:59 PM
Merit givers or merit sources are not to be seen., why? As they don't consider our replies worth enough, Is it because we are not worthy enough or the first or they do not consider us suitable to get merits?  I wonder why they are not responding to posts and assume they are busy with their own problems, but will it continue?

Looking forward to your replies and suggestions!

Sorry, I saw your post and opened it. I don't know what's going on, but it seems like you're really angry here.

I don't know how the merit source in the Indian local board distributes the merit to local members, but in our local board (Indonesia) the merit source distributes it to active members every month evenly, and members who have good posts will be appreciated more. I think merit sources in local board have a duty to support local member. Maybe you need to contact him privately and talk about this. Good luck guys


Does India already have merit sources? If not, perhaps you can contact one of the merit sources to help your local board.
249  Other / Meta / Re: BCT vs BTT abbreviation for this forum on: February 01, 2024, 10:27:51 AM
Bitcointalk it's for "Bit Coin Talk" or Bi Tcoin Talk" ?
I want to know your logic if you answer the 2nd solution.
Bitcoin is a word, although formed from two words, but one word in the crypto lexicon. Bitcoin-talk could just be BT according to m2017, but...
Exactly. Nobody perceives the word “bitcoin” as two separate words anymore (Bit-Coin). Bitcoin is currently an independent word, like a brand or trademark. Nobody reads Micro-Soft . For everyone, it's Microsoft. Something whole and complete. Therefore, Bitcoin should not be abbreviated as BC, but only B is sufficient. If we consider this word in isolation from bitcointalk.

AFAIK, In fact, there are no special rules for abbreviations, usually abbreviations are used to make pronunciation easier

If Bitcoin uses the abbreviation BC, BC is more popular as the abbreviation Before Christ

Quote from: cambridge.com
(ii) B.C. stands for 'Before Christ', meaning before the birth of Christ. For example, a time period written as 200 B.C. means 200 years before the birth of Christ.

So bitcoin is abbreviated as BTC because it is easier to call and is not affiliated with other abbreviations that have been used previously.




So bitcointalk can be any abbreviation, the important thing is that it's easy to say and that other people understand what we mean. Or is it better not to use abbreviations? lol  Grin
250  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: VPN - Differences between countries where gambling is legal and not on: February 01, 2024, 10:13:28 AM
Hi, guys

Maybe I actually want to ask how do countries that legalize gambling protect gamblers? Does the country have a special institution to regulate gambling? Or does the state legalize gambling just to collect taxes and not pay much attention to legal protection for gamblers? if there is no significant difference then there is no difference from countries that prohibit gambling because VPN can be used to bypass

I think, the protection for gamblers probably depends on the where casino is registered and regulated. I don't know much about that, better to ask that question in this thread: AMA: I Operate an Online Casino.

Thanks budd
251  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pajak di Indonesia [Taxes in Indonesia] on: February 01, 2024, 09:36:44 AM
Kalau saya pribadi sih gak masalah mau pemerintah ngambil untung dari perdagangan crypto melalui exchange yang mereka buat sendiri, tapi yang saya tidak suka adalah bagaimana perlakuan pemerintah kepada aset crypto. Pemerintah terkesan menganaktirikan cryptocurrency dibandingkan dengan instrumen perdagangan lain seperti forex atau komoditi yang lebih diperhatikan. Pemerintah harusnya juga ikut memperhatikan ekosistem cryptocurrency di Indonesia, jangan taunya ngambil cuan mulu di pasar crypto tapi crypto-nya dipandang sebelah mata dan penggunaannya dibatasi di banyak tempat.

~ Pemerintah juga memperhatikan forex, terbukti dengan adanya regulasi dan bagaimana binomo di tumpas oleh aparat.

~ Pemerintah mengambil pajak baik dari exchange yang dibuat sendiri atau tidak, adanya pajak pasti membawa regulasi dan regulasi adalah bentuk perhatian pemerintah terhadap sesuatu

~ crypto tidak di pandang sebelah mata, kalo di pandang sebelah mata pasti pemerintah tidak terlalu peduli dengan pajaknya tapi karena pemerintah melihat potensi yang besar di crypto sehingga mau bikin regulasi biar dapet pajak

Pemikiran pemerintah itu beda dengan pemikiran kita sbg rakyat biasa. Kalau bebas full, ada kemungkinan crypto itu digunakan untuk hal gak bener, kyk pencucian uang, penggelapan pajak

~ pemikiran pemerintah emang gimana gan? Pemerintah liat potensi pajak jadi merhatiin, adanya pajak juga ga bisa jadi jaminan kalo crypto aman dan tidak digunakan untuk pencucian uang dan penipuan, ga ada hubungannya itu gan. Fiat juga banyak kok dijadiin alat pencucian uang, emas juga, saham juga, soalnya semua yang bernilai itu bisa diganukana sebagai alat pencucian uang karena nilainya itu tinggal gimana metodenya aja

~ bebas full maksudnya gimana gan? Bebas tanpa pajak ato bebas di gunakan untuk beli beli? Sekarang juga bebas kan, siapa aja boleh beli beli crypto
252  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you believe visiting a seer or spiritual house could make you win a game? on: February 01, 2024, 04:55:20 AM

So I was wondering if there is any connectivity here, or do you believe such could happen in your own situation? Can you do such a thing to win? Have you had the experience of going to such places to seek predictions on how the outcome or results of games could be if they worked in your favor or not? Have you had anyone say or tell you such before and how their experience was?

I myself have never had an experience like this and never thought about doing it at all. In my opinion it's just a myth and after all gambling is all about probability so it can't be predicted with the power of magic, maybe there are people who can do it but most people are fraudsters.

But in the past, when lottery was still popular in my country, people would go to haunted places like caves or cemeteries to get predictions about lottery numbers that would come out, that happened when I was a kid so I don't really remember it, and now that's the practice there is no more.
253  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Remove Proxyban (evil fees) - email to get whitelisted for free on: February 01, 2024, 01:46:43 AM
Can I ask for help to fix my friend's account that was hit by a proxy ban?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3597593

Thanks

Sorry, LoyceV

I recommended my friend to join the forum because he saw me when I opened the forum at work and he was curious to join too. But I saw that his posts were very bad and all his posts were deleted by the moderator, I only found out when he told me why his posts were always deleted.

I didn't know that he had never joined any forums, so he was still very new to the forum discussion format. Sorry if I recommended the wrong person, but I will try to teach him how to comment and discuss
254  Other / Meta / Re: If I'm Satoshi Nakamoto How do I prove it? on: February 01, 2024, 01:31:19 AM
~snip~

If I'm Satoshi Nakamoto How do I prove it?

It's easy, if Satoshi could disappear without anyone knowing then he would know how to come back and how to prove himself

If someone claims to be Satoshi and is busy trying to prove it, he is clearly not Satoshi. Satoshi knew how to disappear and he definitely knew how to come back, if he disappeared without planning it then he would never come back
255  Other / Meta / Re: BCT vs BTT abbreviation for this forum on: January 31, 2024, 04:05:50 PM
Bitcointalk it's for "Bit Coin Talk" or Bi Tcoin Talk" ?
I want to know your logic if you answer the 2nd solution.

ah, seems logical to me. But why Bi T Coin for BTC?  Huh
I want to know  Wink



256  Other / Meta / Re: BCT vs BTT abbreviation for this forum on: January 31, 2024, 03:54:46 PM
Let me add more fuel to the discussion to help it flare up better. Smiley Why is the option not being considered:
BT - BitcoinTalk, briefly and clearly.
Obviously, this is an added patrol but then I will like to say that BT is too simple and easy to write or memorize. We don't like cheap things in this forum  Grin

Of course I don't support this, because in my country BT is often an abbreviation of Boring Time or Bad Time, and in my country the term BT is very popular with it.
257  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: VPN - Differences between countries where gambling is legal and not on: January 31, 2024, 02:20:44 PM

When the casino starts asking KYC the gambler who stays in the country where gambling is illegal will learn the difference. No difference at all and he will be banned instantly when they see the documents he is a national from a country that bans gambling.

But because some casino allows gamblers to withdraw certain amounts without KYC, the VPN users are fine.

So that's all? countries where gambling is legal do not have laws or institutions to protect gamblers from online casino fraud? So how does a casino license work if gamblers cannot report or protect their gambling activities?

If the difference is only about KYC, then I think gambling from a prohibited country and not doesn't seem to have a significant difference, and VPN can be used to access gambling sites by changing the IP address
258  Economy / Gambling discussion / VPN - Differences between countries where gambling is legal and not on: January 31, 2024, 01:58:06 PM
VPN is something that is popular and widely used, including for gambling. Regardless of privacy issues or access to sites that are prohibited in a country. Regardless of whether a casino's policy allows the use of vpn or not, are there any differences in protection for gamblers when they come from countries where gambling is legal?

Such as protection for gamblers who are cheated by casinos because their games are considered suspicious or because their accounts are blocked unilaterally by the casino. If yes, how do report it? if there isn't then there is no difference between countries that legalize gambling and those that don't
259  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [HELP]Bantuan untuk menaikkan Rank (Newbie s.d Hero) V.2 [UPDATE] on: January 31, 2024, 03:54:04 AM
Assalamu'alaikum wr wb,
selamat pagi



Ijin koreksi, post nomer 1 dan nomer 4 ga ke link ke post agan, seluruh post yang di ajukan berdasarkan pada posting yang dibuat pada tanggal 29 dan 30 januari 2024. Sepertinya agan terlalu memaksakan diri buat post disini setelah tidur cukup lama...  Wink

Maksimal posting yang dibuat pada hari yang sama untuk dimasukkan dalam aplikasi sekarang akan turun menjadi 2 posting
260  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [LOG] List Rank Up Member Indonesia (Member - Legendary) on: January 31, 2024, 01:55:16 AM
Selamat gan @PytagoraZ

Trims gan

saya ingin mengataka bahwa om @PytagoraZ ini dia member paling tercepat dalam belajar di forum dan menjajaki rank, itu sangat hebat dan semua orang saya rasa tidak seulet itu dalam pembelajarannya, karena saya juga memperhatikan setiap argumen yang dia tulis dan dimana dia melakukan postingan.

Gak lah gan, ane cuma member biasa aja, top member noh si @BABYSHOES, ga ngotak meritnya bisa deres gitu. Masih FM merit udh mau hero aja. Kalo ane jauh dari kata posting bagus dll karena naik rank aja perlu di gotong bareng member SFI, tanpa SFI si ane bisa apa, ane hanya semak belukar di forum gan

dan kurangi postingan debat karena saya lihat ente sering debat dengan DT apalagi di board reputation  Grin.

Lol  Grin

Ternyata banyak yang mantau board reputasi juga yak, wkwkww.. iya ane mungkin banyak belajar karena debat sama si JG di reputasi jadi mau ga mau perlu banyak baca biar bisa ber argument, kalo engga ya tewas ane lah. Ane mpe seminggu keknya tidur jam 3 pagi baca-baca rule forum biar punya amunisi buat debat sama si JG. Tapi dah kapok ah, reputasi terlalu gila dan mencemaskan kalo buat member kelas semak belukar seperti ane
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