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241  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: November 06, 2014, 01:45:49 AM
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My guess would be laundering money for triangle drug lords ( Myanmar, Cambodia and Thailand).
NO. Europeans that relocated to Bangkok and having fun.
Good people.

ofcourse ppl that deal with you must look legit. you think they would invite you to their fort with armed guard?
242  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: November 06, 2014, 01:42:43 AM
You guys probably never thought of this but i bet the fire started from the collapse of those shelves.

A quick calculation shows they load 600kg per shelf.  Undecided pure stupidity

 Each rack has 1800kg = boom
243  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: November 06, 2014, 01:38:06 AM
Im surprised its in Thailand. They dont have good electrical rate at all.

My guess would be laundering money for triangle drug lords ( Myanmar, Cambodia and Thailand).
244  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitcoin Powered Heating System on: November 06, 2014, 01:23:34 AM
OP, It has been discussed long b4 ASIC.

That copper baseboard wont work. Its around 580BTU per liner foot. So even if you have 8ft long pipe, thats still way too low for coupe of your miners 3.5kW

In addition, to effectively have a passive system like you post, your water temp must be above 60c, at that point your miner will fail miserably.

You must use active setup with a radiator and a fan. It has been done b4 by D&T.
245  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: November 05, 2014, 11:56:59 PM
Holy sh*t!!  I shed a tear for them.

 Cry

Better not pushing your SP20 with some random PSU. Have fire extinguisher near by and get a Nest fire detector (or any smart detector)



No need to be a stupid troll about it, its obviously a hastily setup on the cheap farm with dodgy wiring. Once an electrical fire starts like that in that sort of setup there is no stopping it.

Could have been caused by any number of reasons. And has zero to do with the SP20 seeing as all of those machines are SP30  Roll Eyes

Dumbfck i know full well they're SP30. Its not uncommon for the fire to start from PSU. It happened to several ppl back in GPU days.

What a fcking noob
246  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: November 05, 2014, 11:24:14 PM
SP-T, did the owner contact you regarding this? :



What is the source of fire? All 5MW miners burned down. I believe he said they're all SP30

Looks like an amateurish setup  for one just a few things i see :

-horrible cabling work  - i would not be surprised if the cables didnt catch fire first and all that stacked rubber just fed the fire.
-machines are stacked on top of each other generating even more heat : for that many machines you should use real racks with the proper spacing btw units
-where the Fk is the fire suppression units or at least sprinklers up top, i see no evidence of the duct work you would need to have for a proper halon or water
suppression system
-looking at the floor all i can say is no no no.
-if you look some of the units are facing the opposite direction from the others which indicates they were not doing any kind of venting of all the heat those units generate via some sort of turbine system.

these units generate a ton of heat bra  heck my dryer went and out i don't miss it my SP30 drys all my cloths faster than my dryer lol.

No way anyone would insure that much equipment with a setup like they better start begging for SP30 coupons from SP TECH or call it a total loss.

I would have paid money to see all that BTC flare up though I just hope no one died



-Its hard to see the cable management work since the shit was all burned down. So i think this is moot

-There is no problem stacking the SP30, Infact when you populate a 42Urack with this, there is no spacing between them. Its not like SP10 where the bottom heatsink actually touch the case.

-I dont see any units facing opposite from others. You're looking at all of them in the back. There is no ducting because the whole side of the building is filled with big ass fans. They're sucking all the hot air out as you can guess.

-The setup is typical for Bitcoin Megaminer. This is not datacentre ppl. This is a FARM. They're all setup like this. No need for fancy floors and lighting or ducting. Infact i've seen worst from Chinese farms which only use "supposedly" inferior chinese miners (cheap quality parts). Yet i've not seen any incident like this .....

-sprinkler system is not simple, as you cant just use water in server rooms. This is not your typical office space. I agree that they should have a sprinkler system using 3M liquid, its expensive.
 
247  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: November 05, 2014, 09:42:18 PM
Holy sh*t!!  I shed a tear for them.

 Cry

Better not pushing your SP20 with some random PSU. Have fire extinguisher near by and get a Nest fire detector (or any smart detector)

248  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: New diff thread .diff in the 0.2% to 12.8% range. covers Nov 4 to Nov 17? on: November 05, 2014, 09:40:07 PM
Hey OP, I got an answer as to why the difficulty was slowed down last jump:





It was said to be 5MW facility......



I guess that makes you.... wrong again huh? Oh wait.... you're never wrong. Infact you should predict next difficulty jump to be 0-30%. You can never be wrong then.
249  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: November 05, 2014, 09:37:34 PM
SP-T, did the owner contact you regarding this? :



What is the source of fire? All 5MW miners burned down. I believe he said they're all SP30
250  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Dell.com accepts Bitcoin..... but Dell.ca doesn't! on: November 05, 2014, 06:36:48 PM
everyone should bug their chat support.  
The guy i talked to didn't know why the bitcoin option wasn't there, and said he would e-mail me back about it.
 Roll Eyes looks like i'll have to find a forwarding address

I heard Canadian bitcoin is too clean... So they think canucks dont need stinky computers anyway.
251  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: New diff thread .diff in the 0.2% to 12.8% range. covers Nov 4 to Nov 17? on: November 05, 2014, 07:08:04 AM
Might as well says 0.1% - 20% to make yourself looks like a genius.

 Roll Eyes
252  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Mining (NSFW) on: November 04, 2014, 05:57:22 AM
Suddenly this channel gets 1,000,000 subscribers

dont underestimate us, nerds ...mang
253  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Brothers Aim To Disrupt Bitcoin Mining on: November 04, 2014, 05:54:39 AM
Either this guy faked one helluva Linkedin page or he's the real deal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ackermann

Hunt him down and let us know? I mean we got you, now go rip that asshole..... another hole?


Jesus Fuckin' Christ, I'll suck your dick if this dude isn't Satoshi: http://web.archive.org/web/20001205132100/http://www.tjack.com/html/resume-long.html

Either this dude's for real, or somebody is using his vitals to advance a major scam.

pfft.... wanna see my resume? I helped NASA develop chips using graphite.... silicone is sooo outdated.

btw, i built Beowulf back in my grade 11, it was fun.....


Serious, his resume is nothing special..... however i doubt any of that is real.
254  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Cooling micro data center for miners on: November 04, 2014, 05:50:26 AM
This project is proven to been feel interesting. Yes, right now my cabinet is 3.5kw capacity. The question is how capacity should I upgrade my design. Talking from point that I have pictures shown as working production for another application already. So I like to find a spot in bitcoin mining. But the one I have does not fit the capacity requirements yet.
Thank you for your advice mate

I am racking my brain to understand what situation someone would ever use a 20kW contained-cooling rack. Usually these are used with 1-2kW of gear as a sound-dampening enclosure, not meant to actually cool a large amount of power.

OPTION 1: You put 20kW of equipment in an open rack or on shelving. It costs <$400. 20kW of heat is blown out the back of the cabinet.
OPTION 2: You put 20kW of equipment into a sealed enclosure with a 1.3 PUE AC built in. It costs >$5000 and weighs >300lbs when empty. 26kW of heat is blown out the back of the cabinet.

oh, and option 2 is a little quieter, you only have the noise of a 20kW-capable air conditioner.



Seriously - this is a product with no market. Liquid Immersion cooling tanks are the obvious alternative, and are quieter, FAR more power efficient, and can move the heat outside of a building by pumping the hot liquid to a radiator located on the roof.

It might allow a data center without the airflow to host a few miners.  But cost I don't see this as feasible.

The true data centers for bitcoin have massive airflow.  And they would never need this.

I would have to agree to expensive to hobby miners, and no market for these in a true bitcoin data center.

The product sale good with more then 10,000 units to market like bank branch, small office, cellular site and etc in Thailand alone. Heat pass through a duct out of the room.

Immersion cooling is what I'm looking at next. I'm developing a 200kw per horizontal rack with micro chiller. Trying to make one withIn $20K budget right now.

LOL you just pulled that shit from Alliedcontrol didnt you?

Such a joke.

Actually no, I did such project as OEM for supercomputer heat pipe cooling direct to CPU before.
Personally i like what allied control did with their modular design.

Uh wut? yeah that would help you with your immersion project....lol you have alot more to learn then.

BTW, the 200kW per tank was actually calculated by AlliedControl. So dont BS, you might find someone who works with AlliedControl on here ...wink wink*
255  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: STOP BUYING MINING HARDWARE on: November 04, 2014, 05:49:01 AM
I wish he'd buy some punctuation.

He cant do charge back on those since they're digital,  Grin
256  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: STOP BUYING MINING HARDWARE on: November 04, 2014, 05:34:17 AM
As it is right now he is absolutely correct in the sense that mining at the current and projected daily rates will not pay off, which is probably why there are SO MANY people trying to sell the S2's on ebay for a fifth of what they originally sold for, I do have a confession to make though- I currently don't have to pay for electric so there is no loss on that aspect for me personally and I got mine on ebay for $400/shipped and then did a chargeback so I technically got the equipment for free as well. I know what I did is despicable but I made out alright with it so far and the seller didn't seem to care much... Even at 1000.00GH/s, I only manage to mine roughly 0.02-0.03 btc daily so at the current rate it's about $8.00-$10.00 in a 24 hour period, it's worth it for ME because the electric is free, and the equipment was essentially free for me as well so I have been making money with it since I got it but for the average user the electricity costs will far outweigh what you can mine, even on a large scale operation with one exception, if the value of even 1 btc rises from the current avg of $370 up to say 10,000 in one day then you will make an enormous amount of money off one btc, and it's happened in the past where 1 btc skyrocketed from around $250 to $1000 in a day then steadily declined over the next few days and it's been forcasted from a btc enthusiast that one day the btc will skyrocket at some point in the next couple of years so it's a good assumption to save the btc you have mined and wait for the price to at the very least double, then payout or buy whatever it is you want, so in some aspects as the way things are currently it is not economically feasible for most people but there is the off chance that when the right time comes and one btc triples in value overnight that expensive gear will have more than paid itself off. So it's a game of chance really for people that haven't purchased mining equipment yet. And with the newly released S4 for like $3,000.00+, you would be better off getting 2 x S2's for $500 each on ebay and still mine the same amount as 1 S4, to me that price point just doesn't make sense just because it's new. 1 S4 mines @ 2TH/s, and the S2 mines @ 1TH/s so it makes more economical sense to buy 2 S2's IF you plan on mining, which right now really will put you in the hole money wise.


Go and "buy" more on ebay man, get like 10 more

257  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Brothers Aim To Disrupt Bitcoin Mining on: November 04, 2014, 04:55:59 AM
Either this guy faked one helluva Linkedin page or he's the real deal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ackermann

Hunt him down and let us know? I mean we got you, now go rip that asshole..... another hole?
258  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Cooling micro data center for miners on: November 04, 2014, 04:54:13 AM
This project is proven to been feel interesting. Yes, right now my cabinet is 3.5kw capacity. The question is how capacity should I upgrade my design. Talking from point that I have pictures shown as working production for another application already. So I like to find a spot in bitcoin mining. But the one I have does not fit the capacity requirements yet.
Thank you for your advice mate

I am racking my brain to understand what situation someone would ever use a 20kW contained-cooling rack. Usually these are used with 1-2kW of gear as a sound-dampening enclosure, not meant to actually cool a large amount of power.

OPTION 1: You put 20kW of equipment in an open rack or on shelving. It costs <$400. 20kW of heat is blown out the back of the cabinet.
OPTION 2: You put 20kW of equipment into a sealed enclosure with a 1.3 PUE AC built in. It costs >$5000 and weighs >300lbs when empty. 26kW of heat is blown out the back of the cabinet.

oh, and option 2 is a little quieter, you only have the noise of a 20kW-capable air conditioner.


Seriously - this is a product with no market. Liquid Immersion cooling tanks are the obvious alternative, and are quieter, FAR more power efficient, and can move the heat outside of a building by pumping the hot liquid to a radiator located on the roof.

It might allow a data center without the airflow to host a few miners.  But cost I don't see this as feasible.

The true data centers for bitcoin have massive airflow.  And they would never need this.

I would have to agree to expensive to hobby miners, and no market for these in a true bitcoin data center.

The product sale good with more then 10,000 units to market like bank branch, small office, cellular site and etc in Thailand alone. Heat pass through a duct out of the room.

Immersion cooling is what I'm looking at next. I'm developing a 200kw per horizontal rack with micro chiller. Trying to make one withIn $20K budget right now.

LOL you just pulled that shit from Alliedcontrol didnt you?

Such a joke.
259  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Cooling micro data center for miners on: November 04, 2014, 04:51:43 AM
This project is proven to been feel interesting. Yes, right now my cabinet is 3.5kw capacity. The question is how capacity should I upgrade my design. Talking from point that I have pictures shown as working production for another application already. So I like to find a spot in bitcoin mining. But the one I have does not fit the capacity requirements yet.
Thank you for your advice mate

Hey are you a failed engineer or something?

You CANT upgrade the cabinet cooling capacity due to the damn design is based on phased change. There will be no compressor setup in the world that can handle 10kW that can fit in that cabinet.

You want high density, look for other alternatives.
260  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2014-11-3 Qntra.net "Court Order: BFL to transfer Bitcoins to Court" on: November 04, 2014, 04:47:43 AM

THIS IS BAD!

Does the court know much about bitcoin technology? How does the court hold the receiver responsible for "bitcoin theft"  Wink (uknowwhatimean).

Stupid judge should assign some expert bitcoiners to setup multisig. Giving the receiver full control of those coins = says good bye to them already.
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