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This just in. Iconomi team members are not allowed to take vacations. They must work 24/7 365 days a year just like we do in our normal jobs that totally never have vacation time- ever. Additionally, they are not allowed to travel freely. Don't you know? Working for Iconomi means you must give up your basic human rights.
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Am i able to buy ICNX yet? Please DM me if you know a way
Not yet. Platform is still accessible only for 144 users (beta testers) ICO investors should soon receive access then it will be for the public Do note that there are 3500+ ICO investors which will receive access in batches. Unless they change this. We might have to wait for some time for public should be more than 144 beta users. That number was published few weeks ago Daparski, is there any good info that compares ICN vs ICNX and ICNP in terms of usage, how they relate to one another, and why you might prefer one over the other? I recall seeing that ICNP was more high risk/volatile and only available to ICO investors while ICNX will be the fund investment, yes? Iconomi.index (ICNX) is Iconomi flagship Digital Asset Array (fund). ICNX makes it easy to simultaneously acquire multiple digital assets with a few clicks. You benefit from having a diverse investment and spread risk. The cryptocurrencies currently included in the index represent 92% of the total market cap. ICONOMI.Performance (ICNP) is an actively managed Digital Asset Array (fund) with a high performance target, pre-seeded with ICO money. It is lead by a team of experts conducting thorough research and due diligence backed by Deloitte and CoFound.it. ICNP currently has investments in Golem, ByteBall and Santiment. Its current net value is ~10.2M usd You can't buy ICNP but you can be part of ICNP profits realization (20%) by holding ICN. ICN is the token that entitles you of profits distribution. Profits are made by any active digital arrays on Iconomi platform in a form of fees (management fees for ICNX like digital arrys or performance fees from ICNP like). Currently active DAAs are ICNP and ICNX (beta). Later this year, people will be able to create their own DAAs. Hope it helps |
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Am i able to buy ICNX yet? Please DM me if you know a way
Not yet. Platform is still accessible only for 144 users (beta testers) ICO investors should soon receive access then it will be for the public Do note that there are 3500+ ICO investors which will receive access in batches. Unless they change this. We might have to wait for some time for public should be more than 144 beta users. That number was published few weeks ago |
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Circular logic is circular.
You don't have any ICN, you shouldn't be discussing the value of holding ICN.
You have ICN? Sell it then instead of complaining.
Have Snkns' concerns been addressed by the ICONOMI team? Daparski, you see this concerns as valid. Maybe you can help encourage the ICONOMI team to address them.
I said that Snkns's posts can be an example of how to conduct a debate and a discussion. Snkns posts are all valid and are a great example of how discussion and disagreement about certain aspects should be addressed. He has his own concerns, I don't agree with some of them, mostly the dividends part. In addition, let's not forget that neither Snkns, nor anyone else had done what Iconomi are doing (first crypto fund). For that reason we don't know what are the obstacles they are facing. Them not answering certain questions doesn't mean they don't care about community. Perhaps they can't answer at the current state. Just a thought - assuming one of the reasons dividends were changed to buyback/burn due to potential future regulatory issues, do you think it is wise to write that in the company official blog? |
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I will keep looking in the archive for an answer from you about that one: You fail to provide a reason why you are so obsessed about Iconomi if you don't hold any ICN. obsessed as constantly "concerned" ... Anyway, I'm off out with the dogs. Have a nice day, Daparski. Enjoy the walk. I will be off with mine soon |
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You were always labeled as a troll (the concerned one) in my perspective. Buying 3ICN (or whatever was on that screenshot you posted) doesn't change that. The only reason most of your posts were not deleted is because you managed to hide the trolling behind these concerns.
Snkns posts are all valid and are a great example of how discussion and disagreement about certain aspects should be addressed.
Nothing of that can be said about you. He is not posting the same stuff, and he is not lurking here almost 24/7 after he sold all of his holdings.
In any case, I don't think that the community takes you seriously anymore.
You fail to provide a reason why you are so obsessed about Iconomi if you don't hold any ICN.
Waiting for ICNX public is just a made up reason. As well as "I am entitle to post".
Sounds like you're mad. A made up reason? Haha. How so? "You failed to give a reason, except the reason you did give - which I've decided you made up" Good one. And here I have been defending you when people questioned your moderation. Snkns set stop-losses. I sold. There is little difference, except for the fact he is a better trader than I am, and I took the quick way out. My points have been similar to his, and I've conducted myself just fine. You're showing a huge amount of butthurt here, and it's not a good look. I'm sorry I've upset you, Daparski. When you're done crying, feel free to join us back at the adult's table. I am only mad about slow bank transactions. Snkns wrote that he is now free riding with ICN due to few sell-buy moves he did. It means he still holds ICN. You, from the other hand, claim that you've sold your ICN because of broken promises, etc. I will keep looking in the archive for an answer from you about that one: You fail to provide a reason why you are so obsessed about Iconomi if you don't hold any ICN. obsessed as constantly "concerned" |
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3. People who allegedly have no interest in the well-being of the said project suddenly claim to have your best interest in mind and just want to "protect you." AKA the concerned troll. Who said Mendeleev? The fact that he holds no ICN (according to his own claim) does not mean that he can't keep posting the same things over and over here. After all, he is concerned about the overall direction of the project and he wants to help others. No self hidden motive whatsoever. Oh dear. Daparski has let himself down again. I told you I bought 3.14159 ICN so you couldn't make that silly argument anymore. You have a poor memory. Fascinating how you flip back and forth on whether or not I'm a troll. I've been here since the ICO, you clown. Same as Snkns, and he isn't a troll either. Question: If my thoughts mirror those who hold large amounts of ICN (which they do), where does that leave your argument? Helping others isn't my primary goal. I'd happily watch the ignorant (like you) suffer. I'm not a saint. Schadenfreude would most certainly apply if fools like you got burned. You were always labeled as a troll (the concerned one) in my perspective. Buying 3ICN (or whatever was on that screenshot you posted) doesn't change that. The only reason most of your posts were not deleted is because you managed to hide the trolling behind these concerns. Snkns posts are all valid and are a great example of how discussion and disagreement about certain aspects should be addressed. Nothing of that can be said about you. He is not posting the same stuff, and he is not lurking here almost 24/7 after he sold all of his holdings. In any case, I don't think that the community takes you seriously anymore. You fail to provide a reason why you are so obsessed about Iconomi if you don't hold any ICN. Waiting for ICNX public is just a made up reason. As well as "I am entitle to post". |
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Dummies' Guide to Signs of a Good Coin:   1. FUD groups just keep coming back and refuse to abandon the project even after they allegedly claim to have abandoned their position a long time ago following a dump. 2. Newbies popping up all the time and spending a great deal of time explaining why they will never invest anything in said project. 3. People who allegedly have no interest in the well-being of the said project suddenly claim to have your best interest in mind and just want to "protect you." 4. Devs keep professional by focuing on the main tasks and shun all the trash talk altogether. 5. Steady stream of good news despite of all the negative talks. 6. Price always bounce back on strong volume after a dump. 7. Majority of coin supply is in "cold storage" (ICO or personal wallets). 8. Healthy trade volume on a daily basis. 9. Developers focus their effort and resources on core business instead of branching out into unrelated, unprofitable activities. 10. Having a strong focus on software development instead of trying to hype a coin by devoting valuable resources to "showmanship" or useless marketing effort. ----------------------------- Score for Iconomi: Rated 10/10 3. People who allegedly have no interest in the well-being of the said project suddenly claim to have your best interest in mind and just want to "protect you." AKA the concerned troll. Who said Mendeleev? The fact that he holds no ICN (according to his own claim) does not mean that he can't keep posting the same things over and over here. After all, he is concerned about the overall direction of the project and he wants to help others. No self hidden motive whatsoever. Everything else is spot on. After all is said and done, more is said than done - is the motto for most of the crypto projects in the last few years. It's about the change |
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lol
what is people like me? And who nominated you to represent the voice of the "disappointed" and the concerned?
Last time I checked, it was a forum, and by its definition, people discuss things, it is not an official AMA channel.
Anyway, your explanation about the backed up assets makes no sense. Same goes for the over-chewed dividends. You don't know how that would work too. The main thing is Iconomi generating profits.
If you, or anyone else bought in due to ethereum dividends and hoped to open a long accumulating position - just go and buy ethereum.
At the moment there are several things that are required from the team:
1. Keep developing the platform and release it to the public
2. PR, updates and the rest of the semi whining requests
Since we are still in beta, I think keep developing is more important.
People like you = die hard fanboys who can't imagine scenarios that might not align with your fanboy perspective. Sure, you're happy to let people like ME speak our mind - but at the end of the day, you've already decided we're wrong. Nobody nominated me to do anything. I think it is self-evident that people want answers from the team. If you can't see that, then you've not been paying attention. My explanation doesn't make sense to YOU. I accept that. You're right - I DON'T know how it will work either. I already said I might be wrong. Pay attention. That's why people are asking questions, and aren't happy with the information they've been given so far. This "put development first" response is rubbish too. Stop being such a ballbag. Jani has been replying to people on reddit - so he has already invested time into reading and responding... but he has avoided the questions he's been asked. So, Daparski, I put it to you that if he has the time to issue half-baked responses, insult investors, and generally flail around reddit saying nothing of any value... then he has the time to actually respond to what people are asking him. So, sorry, this "PR comes later" reply holds no water. I would LOVE it if you end up financially worse-off because of a decision they make later down the line, which causes you to lose money. I really hope you come to this board, and express how upset it made you, so I can tell you to stop whining looks like uncle Mendeleev is itchy today I did my checks and due diligence during the ICO, and am following the team and the project closely even since. I asked a lot of questions back then and was satisfied with the answers. After the ICO it is time to work and not to update, that's how I see it. Also, I do understand that not every quetion can be answered. If I will see something fishy I will come out and say it. |
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You are operating under the assumption that ICN represents ownership of anything. One of the concerns is that the token 'ICN' is now completely divorced from the platform, and serves purely as a stake in the company's success, with its value driven by nothing but speculation. Under this sort of set-up, the value of the token is not necessarily driven by the success of the platform. How is that different than previous profits distribution way, aka dividends, or from any other company in the world? How is ICN completely divorced from the platform? Currently it's backed up by Iconomi assets - ICO money, ICNP and ICNX funds. the rest is speculation for future success. How is that different than any other stock out there? If the company products/services are used by a lot of people, and the company has a solid business model - this will drive tits stock price up. Same with Iconomi It was backed up by the assets when dividends were going to be paid from the profits realised, and when people were more convinced they actually owned something. That gave the token value in the form of a 'passive income'. I have explained this before. The connection is purely psychological now (not my words... the words of people who favour buybacks) I might be wrong. I've said that too. But I am explaining the reasons behind people's concerns, and why more information is required from the team. There's a number of ways of looking at it, and not all of them are positive. This is why people are asking questions, and want answers. People like you have just been replying with "best case" responses, which aren't backed by any concrete information. Again, as I've stated before, you should be encouraging the team to respond to the concerns people have raised - not attempting to respond to them yourself. There's no point, because people don't want YOUR answers. They want the team to answer. It's just irritating when somebody talks about these things, and the only response they get is a random user giving some silly calculation based on reduced supply, or some other baseless theory about why this system will work. You all seem to think you're the experts with all of the answers, and people with questions aren't "enlightened" enough to understand the methods of the wise and powerful gods of Iconomi  lol what is people like me? And who nominated you to represent the voice of the "disappointed" and the concerned? Last time I checked, it was a forum, and by its definition, people discuss things, it is not an official AMA channel. Anyway, your explanation about the backed up assets makes no sense. Same goes for the over-chewed dividends. You don't know how that would work too. The main thing is Iconomi generating profits. If you, or anyone else bought in due to ethereum dividends and hoped to open a long accumulating position - just go and buy ethereum. At the moment there are several things that are required from the team: 1. Keep developing the platform and release it to the public 2. PR, updates and the rest of the semi whining requests Since we are still in beta, I think keep developing is more important. |
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Maybe I'm being too harsh - I have seen genuine criticisms here, on reddit, etc.
My issue is during the days following the buyback announcement I remember following the thread closely. There were some real, legitimate perspective that the moderator was censoring. It made no sense to me and looked horrible for ICONOMI.
Yeah, there was a lot more being deleted around that time. I think a lot of people (including the moderator) genuinely thought this was FUD/trolling, but now people are starting to accept that these concerns are genuine. ICN would function under the same principal... there is no change and as "part owners", ICN owners should applaud the more efficient "burn" decision.
You are operating under the assumption that ICN represents ownership of anything. One of the concerns is that the token 'ICN' is now completely divorced from the platform, and serves purely as a stake in the company's success, with its value driven by nothing but speculation. Under this sort of set-up, the value of the token is not necessarily driven by the success of the platform. You might say "Yes, the whitepaper said it represents ownership", but you'd have said the same about dividends at one time. What else might have changed? At this stage, we don't really know either way. That's why people have raised concerns, and want answers. There are other concerns too. The above is just a small portion of what people have been asking. And they want answers from the team - not just from other users/investors like you or I. You are operating under the assumption that ICN represents ownership of anything. One of the concerns is that the token 'ICN' is now completely divorced from the platform, and serves purely as a stake in the company's success, with its value driven by nothing but speculation. Under this sort of set-up, the value of the token is not necessarily driven by the success of the platform. How is that different than previous profits distribution way, aka dividends, or from any other company in the world? How is ICN completely divorced from the platform? Currently it's backed up by Iconomi assets - ICO money, ICNP and ICNX funds. the rest is speculation for future success. How is that different than any other stock out there? If the company products/services are used by a lot of people, and the company has a solid business model - this will drive tits stock price up. Same with Iconomi |
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@cryptobarron, thanks for the explanation @mendeleev, agree 100% with what you're saying. The team needs to address this. The comments in the 'Buy Back Announcement Thread' - https://medium.com/iconominet/iconomi-introduces-repayment-programme-54bfa449d458 thread - have they been addressed by the ICONOMI team? Have they actually announced how the buyback will work over time? Will all ICONOMI.PERFORMANCE realized investment profits be used in the buyback program? '“Burning” means that purchased tokens will be taken off the market, with the consequence that the total supply of ICN tokens will decrease. This option represents a fair way for everyone, especially if conducted transparently.' ^especially if conducted transparently? How about ONLY if conducted transparently. The more I read this announcement post... It's mind boggling to me just how little regard it seems ICONOMI has for it's original investors. Most of your questions are answered in the medium post. All profits will be used for buy/burn, not just ICNP. Burning means sending them to an address that cannot be used for withdraw. |
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Daparski is turning people off
There were legitimate concerns in this thread that were blocked / tagged as FUD
Horrible moderation in this thread - why does the team let this person continue like this?
Not true. All deleted posts were FUD That's just not true at all. Maybe they were deleted before you saw them - but I saw them. People were raising legitimate concerns in the change of business model (dividends vs. buyback) and the language binding ICONOMI to follow through on the buyback. These were legitimate concerns from people who invested in the project. Overall, the way this change was communicated was extremely poor. The post you referenced ( https://medium.com/iconominet/iconomi-introduces-repayment-programme-54bfa449d4580) should have addressed the unintentional 'bait and switch' nature of the change of business model. You can't raise millions of dollars saying your business model is X, then not address WHY you are changing it. This post was incredibly weak in my opinion - they needed to explain the change in strategy/direction - not just pretend this was always the plan. EDIT - Furthermore, ETH dividends were a big reason why this project was attractive to many. Dismissing these investor concerns as FUD is incredibly toxic. Not every post is/has been deleted - but this moderator has been out of control (IMO) mmm, No. "People" were newbies sock puppets accounts. If you don't like the moderation, you are welcome to contact the team about it |
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Post with your real account. Newbie accounts that start fudding will be deleted
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Guys, please don't quote the trolls. I don't like to delete posts.
I don't believe you. I was wondering when you will enlight us with your concerned wisdom. I don't because it means that trolls are lurking around, and I prefer troll-free community with healthy discussions and debates, even concerned ones |
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Concern troll is concerned! Oh no! Better listen to the account with the name TheTruthIsOutThere that was made 8 days ago specifically to bitch about Iconomi non-stop despite obviously not being involved or invested in Iconomi. Seriously, just look at that fuckers post history and it will be clear to you why they are here.
I love how you even try to flip good news (an update to the team and documentation to reflect that) into bad news. You were one of the people to say the OP needed to be updated to reflect new team composition but now that you can't get upset about that you find something else to get upset about.
This personal also apparently has no concept of what a PR agency does either, if you think anybody needs to come babysit you in slack or on reddit or even here you need to grow the fuck up and look into how things work in the real world for a change.
And yeah, another developer at this stage is obviously the better move because they are still in the development phase. Right now there is no finished product to market, why would they start PR and communication rushes right now if they aren't even sure exactly when the product will be finished- that would just be setting people up for another let down.
I was about to write pretty much the same, but had to delete some daily turd. Guys, please don't quote the trolls. I don't like to delete posts. |
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How to store ICN in nano S?
Send the ICN to the ETH address provided by your nano s. Make sure you only send a few first time round incase you make a mistake and send to the wrong address. Go to the settings when you select your eth wallet on the actual nano and turn on browser support. Go to https://www.myetherwallet.comOpen up your wallet using the website and it will allow you to view your tokens. Make sure you turn browser support off when you want to go back to using the chrome app for your eth wallet Do we need to keep our ICN in nano S if we want to hold it for long duration?Is'nt it okay if I keep them on Iconomi dashboard or myetherwallet?What do you guys recommend of these twos? There is no correct answer. It is always a trade-off. Keeping ICN on Iconomi should have enterprise security, quote from Jani: "Safeguarding of assets is our number one priority. Assets as of now will be stored in a 3 level cold storage and for sure won't be kept at exchanges: 1st and deepest level is 4/6 multisig and I expect to be used for 70-85% of assets where at least 3 keys are held by outside people not known to each other 2nd level is 3/5 multisig where 3 keys are held by outside people not known to each other - probably up to 90-95% of total assets will be in 1st and 2nd level 3rd level is 2/3 multisg where 2 keys are held by outside people not known to each other - in all 3 levels all the assets except the ones needed for buffers will be kept - I assume ~98% When I say outside people it's actually external individuals and/or organizations acting as custodians. One of the requirements from regulators is to have assets safeguarded by/in-cooperation with custodians. Full details will be known and published before we're out with the platform." https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/5smp7k/iconomi_cryptocurrencies_index_icnx_31_january/ddgx3z4/The downside with that approach is that technically you don't have a direct control over your funds. Using Ledger or mew gives you full control over your funds, but it also comes with greater responsibility from your end - you need to make sure you have the 24 words seed/private key kept in a safe place and that it won't be compromised/destroyed. For best security - use air gapped pc |
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would be nice to see how much jan and daniel from cofound.it were paid while they were at ICONOMI..... you won't see individual salaries. No company shows that. Would you want your salary to be made public (assuming you have a day job)? well, since you are interested in my "day job", I am a neuroscientist involved in research on oligodendrogliomas...... I can send you my thesis if you want Daparski and you tell me what you think? okay? now this little part is taken care of, i expect at the very least for them to say how much of the ICO money they have used for salaries.... PS: https://forum.lisk.io/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1425Furthermore, a pre-payment of around 200,000 EUR (213.610 CHF) was conducted to the lightcurve GmbH which handles development, marketing and community support. Max, bless him, at least admits that he paid himself and Oliver around 200,000 EUR via his Lightcurve bs.... I couldn't care less what you do for living.. You just confirmed that you are nothing more than a fake troll account. The question was: No company shows that. Would you want your salary to be made public (assuming you have a day job)? It's really funny how when one asks any questions relating to transparency, one is immediately labelled a "TROLL" Well, if asking for the truth makes me a Troll, then, yes, I am proud to admit than I am a "Troll" At least, it's better than being an unpaid blind shill who will abandon his moralities in the hope that his constant shilling will somehow prevent investors from asking pertinent and totally legitimate questions. You weren't labeled as troll immediately , the original response was you won't see individual salaries. No company shows that. Would you want your salary to be made public (assuming you have a day job)? You chose to ignore that simple question simply because you are not here to discuss things. Fact still remains the same - no company in the world is yet to publish its employees salaries. No reason for Iconomi to be the first. What I'd like to see is expenses breakdown - infrastructure, legal, salaries, etc |
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