I take back this theory , as someone(a trusted member) who has shipped something to both of them PMed me . Anyways, this wasn't why I created the thread. I created it because of user TBZ, which I posted in the op.

Ok, I just have a theory which may or may not be true . But it is a possibility . I have never done business with ndnhc . But I happened to have used an address recently on purpose which was related to him. Kind of something I did on random but not to toss around any accusations, It was for something I do not wish to disclose, neither will I . The address I posted in a way was linked to ndnhc .



Recently after my account was wrongly accused of something I am not even remotely related with. Quickseller even gave me a negative trust because of it . I even started a few threads on Meta against Quickseller denying all the things, and providing proof that I bought the account , and It seemed to have pissed him off.  Now no one knew that I posted that address and it was related to ndhnc, but only Quickseller did, probably because he was stalking me since a while to find something to relate me to a scam or something.

Anyways, he never even talked about bought it until today.
Now suddenly I saw this thread today , and I didn't want to get related to ndnhc, from the address I posted a couple weeks back , so naturally I went ahead and deleted it.

Now suddenly all of a sudden Quickseller posted this : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072974.msg11473720#msg11473720

He claimed and knew about the address I had posted.

Here is what I believe:
Quickseller is pissed off with me , since I might be one reason he went off the trust list, even though he is back now. I believe he created an alt question2 to get it a negative trust. He tried to get ransom from another user Joca who he found out had an alt account somehow. (Only Quickseller is good enough to figure out alts so well) .
Then he posted some guy's address, which in a way linked to someone, I had posted an address to about couple days back. I believe the next step after ndnhc denying everything , would be Quickseller claiming of me to have posted an address related to ndnhc , and he would claim, that I am question2, and therefore getting negative trust on me permanently, and him taking revenge with me.

Here is why I believe so:
I was just looking at all the threads and question2's activity on the forum. It seems question2 posted a thread against Joca on May 10th. Now, I don't really expect someone to be following some scammer for a long time, since there are so many people on the forum with negative trust. question2 posted the address just yesterday : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996260.msg11467648#msg11467648

at 9:44 PM.

And just after , Quickseller started this thread, like he has been following the scammer from a long time, which I see no reason why he would do so, and that too from a Games and Rounds thread.
After this Quickseller made that post today
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072974.msg11473720#msg11473720

Looking at the whole thing, I now feel Quickseller is only doing so , to get me a permanent negative trust in a way revenge by him .

Again, I can't be sure, but I see no other reason why Quickseller follows me like crazy, and didn't even post about that address before, even after I was accused of being an alt of a scammer by him. He also happened to be following that other guy question2 , right when he posted the address, and started the scam accusation. Now before this gets to me, I wanted to clarify everything about what I feel on this. I already have a negative trust by quickseller, wouldn't bother if I get more anyways.

This theory is only true, if ndnhc denies the accusation against him. Its just a hunch  that I have because of a few things. One of them is the address user question2 posted 12Ey8KPWPcv22VVUdZWCTQFZH97Yy1XAuE , if you look it up on blockchain, it hasn't had any transaction in the last 5 months, which could mean 2 things.
ndnhc was trying to use another address for the giveaway, or someone is trying to frame him .

Thanks master-p. This is the proof I offered to TBZ, but he didn't want to listen to my side of the story, and blocked me from PM. He also requested a password change log, which I got to him from theymos, but despite that he didn't bother to remove the trust, and put it on the person responsible.

Thanks for the opinion, it might be true. I am not certain of it. But both of them are full of egos, that will destroy them in their lives. Anyways, can't really care to bother with both of them anymore

Random in a way I was chasing another address, and had it in my browser at the time I think. Again, just read the post above me. Also, maybe you are the one stalking me, and wanted me off your ignore list. Please put me back in, and refrain from replying.

Again, I don't care about Quicksellers trust, but the thread is about TBZ's wrongful trust. I don't care about any other claims against me.

No it hasn't been disproven. It is just something you think personally. I am sure people who use gambling sites or request loans to those address might have a similar problem. I even posted a recent case which proved a user Baro was someone else, with your exact saem theory.

That was actually deleted if you look through. It was the one with the loan address. I didn't have tons of other addresses to delete.

Seems to me this is me getting unlucky the second time. Firstly posting an exchange address, which had an address in the same key used by a scammer. And second time, using a second address, in which something similar happened.

I did not post that address on purpose. I find this fish hunting by Quickseller BS. I edited my address posting history to random addresses on the internet. However I deleted all of the posts with addresses now.


Reasonable at times, maybe. Egoistical if someone disagrees with him, all the time. I have tried to have that civill conversation 100's of times. Have even been hunting scammers on the forum in the past. But sucks, when I see someone like Quickseller not even trying to listen to any of my arguments and blocking my PM.

Me and ndhnc Nice joke. But thats not this thread for. I already have a thread for you, so please go post in that. This one is for TBZ . And I posted that address on purpose, but saw today that he was involved in a scam accusation , so didn't want unnecessary trouble. I am in no way ndhnc and I am not going to argue with that anymore. The only thing this thread is for TBZ, and I will not answer to any other argument or accusation on this thread.

There are also reasons I believe Quickseller and TheButterZone are the same people, because both of them added their trust rating on the same day or by a difference of 1 day. Then again later they claimed to say that they had given the trust rating earlier, but were surprised it wasn't there.
Quickseller even deleted his previous trust rating from March 2nd or 3rd, to only give a new one, so probably he could not be related to TBZ in any way. TBZ gave his on March 3rd. Quickseller shifted his by deleting the previous one, which was on March 2nd, which I believe he did to make it look he never posted it along with TBZ. But this is just speculation. Based on what I heard about TBZ from people, I do feel they might very well also be the same people. However I would request to refrain from this topic, and focus on the one in the Op.

I feel the trust rating and all is getting destroyed on the forum by some egoistic people on the forum , namely 2 encountered by me - Quickseller and TheButterZone

Have already discussed regarding Quickseller on the other thread so going to go with the latter here.

I basically bought this account from user Ume on 31st Jan, after the original owner defaulted on the loan he took from Ume. However before buying it, I also started a scam accusation against Ume before he sold this account,  which should by now make it pretty clear I am not an alt of Ume .

The account Twipple is also based in UK and has traded with trusted members here in person as can be seen from the trust .


On 31st January , I bought the account from an alt account of mine. A few hours before selling me this account and giving the details to me, Ume sent a message to TheButterZone begging, with just a stupid PM .
""hey can you give me some btc as a firned ?" "

Now after I got the account, I received a negative rating on it due to that PM and was given to me on March 3rd(even though ButterZone claims it was earlier, but I have never seen it before) .

Just recently, I messaged him providing every proof of the sale.
Then he posted this :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974336.msg11423117#msg11423117
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974336.msg11423281#msg11423281

Firstly, he spoke to me in an egoistic tone  in that post. Along with banning my PM's(Even though I hadn't spammed him in any way) .

In the second link he said

Now I specially requested theymos to send him that PM. Which he did, and despite all that. He now changed to topic and till date hasn't removed it.

I also sent him a PM which clearly showed that the message for Begging was sent before the account was sold to me. To which he said, that TIME ZONES CAn bE CHANGED. Then I said,  I can let an escrow log in to the accounts and prove it wasn't.


The Only reply I got after that from him is "

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974336.msg11450376#msg11450376





Basically, he didn't care about the proof. He thought no admin or mod will provide it. But they did, and now he is just ignoring me or my messages, and has a Negative Trust on me, which I feel is completely inappropriate. I provided him all the proof he asked for , to remove it. But He is now being an arrogant Egoistic Asshole, and is not removing his negative trust.

I also requested an escrow Master-p , to login to my account and verify that the begging PM was sent By Ume, before the account was given to me, and no time zone had been changed. He will also be verifying it here.

The reason I believe this will never happen is that a lot of people actually post on here due to the ads, and is what makes it very active. I guess theymos could perhaps disable ads for a week and see if the posting is still as wild as it gets these days.

They are just egoistic assholes on the forum ,and the whole scenario is mis-interpreted but a lot of people on here. What most people see here is a negative trust on a scammer and who was spotted by Quickseller or someone and they follow him like scammer spotting god. What they don't realize is the other side of the argument and how they also do unethical things on here. Quickseller gave me a negative trust for something clearly I didn't do , and despite providing all the proof he disregarded all of it. But there happened to be another guy with the exact same case as mine, and he got his rating removed from Quickseller, because apparently Quickseller acted as an escrow on the deal and got 1$ out of it.

This was bound to happen, sooner or later he was going to be readded to the list , but this can't be helped. The Quickseller - Badbear theory could be possible looking at how things went but is highly improbable.

I think its too late for that. They shut down their investments soon after the incident, which is something no business usually does, and that only points to the fact that they are insolvent.

They claimed that they provided each investor with over 1 BTC with an individual cold storage, so I doubt following the money trail would lead you to it. But that excuse lets them be insolvent or show incorrect investment stats.

They recently claimed that they have shutdown investments so there is no excuse any more along with any excuse of not showing the funds.

Since I donot see you replying, I would like you to consider this.  I provided you with all the proof and the time stamps of the message that was sent to you, and the message that was sent to me with the account details. All prove that it was the previous account holder who had sent that message to you. But why even after all that is it not evident that it was Ume who sent the message ?