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241  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Does anyone else ignore coin threads that contain "PoW" ? on: August 08, 2014, 02:48:04 AM
Here's the thing about POS... as a currency it's terrible because you have to buy the currency from someone else to use it. How convoluted is that? You need a fair distribution method or else it becomes a pyramid scheme very fast.
242  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Does anyone else ignore coin threads that contain "PoW" ? on: August 08, 2014, 02:46:03 AM
I don't know about everyone else but I just ignore all new coins.

I sure have and haven't regretted it since making the decision.  New PoW coins all seem to die as they get dumped by the professional miners (the hardware kings) who are more concerned about short term profit than long term holding.


Yeah, isn't it obvious 99.9% of the coins here are scams? PoW has nothing to do with it.  PoS mostly are scams too, IPOs are again mostly scams.

Guess what? There are less than 10 legitimate crypto coins in existance.

I would say less than 5
bitcoin
litecoin
namecoin
peercoin (maybe)

Myriadcoin
243  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Myriad [1st Multi-PoW] Multi-vPoW | Simplicity v0.1 | Myriadcast Episode 1 on: August 07, 2014, 11:37:48 PM
Done.

No tip, take the 200myr for something else Smiley

You the boss. Wink
244  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Myriad [1st Multi-PoW] Multi-vPoW | Simplicity v0.1 | Myriadcast Episode 1 on: August 07, 2014, 11:23:26 PM
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Please register to these forums and send a reply saying you would like to see Myradcoin added to their payment platform!
Paste your address below after leaving a reply and I'll tip you 200 MYR!
http://forum.casheer.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=5
245  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Multi-vPoW and Block "Tips" - Myriadcoin's Solution to Parasitic Merge Mining on: August 07, 2014, 10:58:18 PM
So which coins can be merge mined already, and which coins (other than Doge) are due to fork in the near future to be part of polyMYR? Is there a master list somewhere with dates for when forks are due to happen?

I don't know if a master list exists anywhere...that would be a nice thing to have.

However, merge mining pools already exist. ManicMiner.in, for example. (http://manicminer.in/docs/coins)

Here is the list they have (they refer to parent coins as "main" and child coins as "sec):



Sure, most of the sha256 and scrypt ones are easily found. I was really asking about coins that may be in the pipeline for the other 3 algos, and what stage you're at with convincing any of them to fork?

Ah! We will be releasing some experimental coins with those other 3 algos. I believe we have Skeincoin forking for us. Myriad-Groestl and Qubit are still relatively unused algorithms but they'll gain in popularity once PolyMYR is underway.
246  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Casheer- A Multi-Currency Mobile Wallet & Consumer-to-Merchant Platform on: August 07, 2014, 10:46:57 PM
Get your coins/currencies listed!

The Casheer User Forums are now up. http://forum.casheer.net/index.php

This is for things specifically related to the Casheer platform and is the starting ground of our support system. You can also list your favorite coin(s) and raise support for their inclusion into the Casheer platform. Currencies added based on demand. Feel free to stop by and say hello.

We're working on many things behind the scenes, so stay tuned...I hope to have some juicier updates soon. :good:

While I wait for my activation email... I'd love to see Myriadcoin on this. If this works how I think it does, this is fucking incredible and you are going to be a very rich man.

What can we do to help get Myriadcoin on your payment platform?
247  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Multi-vPoW - Myriadcoin's Solution to Parasitic Merge Mining on: August 07, 2014, 10:42:02 PM
I have a question it doesn't directly relate to the topic but more to vPoW-
let me give you a scenario - :

is there an attack vector that exists here:

lets say we have for example 3 "algos"

1. Xa

2. Xb

3. Xc

now (in this world) - there is a beautiful community developed CPU and GPU miner for both

what this miner does is it can mine each of the 3 and choose the lowest diff of each -

is there a potential attack vector where the miner can "game" the next block i.e by jumping form aglo to aglo -

so exploited some how the way in which the next block is determined?

sorry for the newb question.

what i'm asking is:

what is the mechanism that determines the next block is it really random?

None, the block hash is generated and can be solved by any of the algos. It's just a matter of difficulty vs hash power.

So then couldn't a group of miners devote hash power to the algorithm with the lowest difficulty? or does it become where the sheer number of different altcoins it can be mined with should make that unachievable?

Lets assume that a mining pool of groups of mining pools have a lot of hashpower in different algorithms and can switch their hashpower to the algorithms of the lowest difficulty like the reverse polarity of the Myriad Blockchain itself to achieve maximum profit. How would the different algorithms prevent such an attack?

This is a good project and important for all altcoins so I am trying to get my head around how this can be implemented on a large scale.

Right now Myriad has a chicken and egg problem: Our hashrate is not incredibly high, but once we gain hashrate through PolyMYR and Simplicity we should have continuous long lasting high network hashrates that should make it increasingly harder to attack individual algorithms.

Furthermore, we have discussed some interesting mechanisms to prevent algorithms from solving multiple blocks in a row. One solution might be to temporarily raise the difficulty on one algorithm if it finds two blocks in a row. The difficulty would rise exponentially if they found 3, 4, 5 blocks in a row. So even if an attacker is trying to form 5-6 blocks in a row and then insert them into the blockchain, the exponentially rising difficulty would prevent them from ever getting to that 5th or 6th block in a reasonable timespan.
248  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Multi-vPoW and Block "Tips" - Myriadcoin's Solution to Parasitic Merge Mining on: August 07, 2014, 10:36:04 PM
So which coins can be merge mined already, and which coins (other than Doge) are due to fork in the near future to be part of polyMYR? Is there a master list somewhere with dates for when forks are due to happen?

I don't know if a master list exists anywhere...that would be a nice thing to have.

However, merge mining pools already exist. ManicMiner.in, for example. (http://manicminer.in/docs/coins)

Here is the list they have (they refer to parent coins as "main" and child coins as "sec):

249  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Multi-vPoW and Block "Tips" - Myriadcoin's Solution to Parasitic Merge Mining on: August 07, 2014, 08:11:02 PM
I have done merged mining using blake-256, its really cool mining as usual, but you get what you mined, plus extra other alt coins Smiley
I think what you are proposing here could be the way of the future. What is the next step to get this going? I would like to try it out...I still have my settings for when I was mining Myriad using skein algo.


Thank you. Just stay tuned to Myriad and we'll let you know when PolyMYR is released where you can try this out.
250  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Multi-vPoW - Myriadcoin's Solution to Parasitic Merge Mining on: August 07, 2014, 06:43:52 PM
I like the multi-symbiosis of Myriadcoin, I researched it a bit a few months ago and it's a good idea. By working on multi-algorithmic mining and merge mining, it opens more doors to different features in cross-chain transactions and securing many small networks. I am quite avid though that Proof of Work alone with high rewards over time tends to hurt price so I am not quite sure how this should combat this because if you have something that will gain you proportionally more over time, you would have more of a tendency to hold on to it.

"I am quite avid though that Proof of Work alone with high rewards over time tends to hurt price so I am not quite sure how this should combat this because if you have something that will gain you proportionally more over time, you would have more of a tendency to hold on to it."

What is being gained proportionally more over time in this case? Myriadcoins? The child coins? Holding any coins is good for the price, is it not?

My idea revolves around the whole idea of removing the perception that merge mining does nothing but kill the price of the child coins. If we can still retain high network security (hashrate) while removing the real and perceived "dumping fest", we WIN and we can begin to use merge mining in much more creative ways than it's being used right now.


What are some of the things that Myriadcoin wants to strive for over a long period?

Solving merge-mining, experimenting with this idea and coming up with a proper balance between block rewards and block tips.
Bringing mining to developing worlds. We dont want to force people to have to just buy our coin to use it, we want them to mine it to. Bitcoin, unfortunately, has become a country club of mining. We want to reach areas that Bitcoin cannot.

Part of this initiative is fulfilled with our development of "Simplicity", a "two-click" wallet and mining software package that aims to remove ALL complicated/overwhelming/confusing aspects of setting up mining for the first time. Link to beta download is here: http://myriadplatform.org/simplicity/

We get lost in our little cryptobubble and forget how hard and complicated it is for people on the outside to understand. They want to be a part but cryptocurrencies cast an intimidating shadow that causes many to just forget it and go about their normal lives. Nuh-uh. Myriadcoin is aiming to make the on-ramp a little smoother.
251  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Multi-vPoW - Myriadcoin's Solution to Parasitic Merge Mining on: August 07, 2014, 06:37:33 PM
Read the full article here: http://coinbrief.net/myriadcoin-merge-mining/

Visualizing multi-vPoW




again back to my Question its a possible beautiful answer but it needs peer review as what determines the score - i.e the score for the block randomization  - i assume its in the code - but can you point me to it link me for example put the link here.

"but it needs peer review as what determines the score - i.e. the score for the block randomization"

When you say block randomization, do you mean the lower block rewards given at seemingly random to the algorithms of child blockchains being merged mined by a parent?

If so, peer review would work...but I think what would be healthier is just trial and error. We release experimental coins or other developers give it a whirl and the free market will sort out what are proper balances for the real block rewards and merge-mining block rewards (which are more like block "tips")
252  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Myriad [1st Multi-PoW] Multi-vPoW | Simplicity v0.1 | Myriadcast Episode 1 on: August 07, 2014, 06:30:11 PM
The prices of all alt-coins are currently tanking. This should just be taken as an opportunity to implement the projects which were promised for MYR so as to be prepared when the price rises again at the end of September. Obviously not a lot of you know how prices work.

Thanks for being level headed. I would tip you but there aren't any tipping bots on bitcointalk.
253  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Multi-vPoW - Myriadcoin's Solution to Parasitic Merge Mining on: August 07, 2014, 08:30:23 AM
Dogecoin merge-mining under Litecoin (i.e. Dogecoin is the “child”, Litecoin is the “parent”).

I'd be grateful if you could you add a bit more detail to this assertion, in particular what determines the “child” / “parent” relationship.

I ask because my understanding of AuxPoW seems to be adrift, I managed to get a completely different impression from reading the Dogecoin statement.


Cheers

Graham


What determines the child vs. the parent? This is something that a programmer could explain better (I don't code). It is something specific within the code.

The main difference is that pools can be set up for Litecoin miners to apply their same hashes to the Dogecoin blockchain and possibly solving both. You cannot do this the other way around--nobody can make a pool where Dogecoin hashes can be applied to Litecoin blocks. Therefore, Dogecoin is the "child" and Litecoin is the "parent". Whether or not these names for "who's on top" are really all that accurate is a different story, but it is sort of reverberated through the fact that Dogecoin needs to hardfork to become a child while Litecoin doesn't have to do anything (except set up pools).

One of the key things that the articles announcing the Dogecoin/Litecoin merge mining made a mistake with is that Litecoin is the only parent. Once Dogecoin becomes a child, ANY Scrypt blockchain can become a parent. This means Scrypt miners on Myriadcoin will be able to merge mine Dogecoin. It's not strictly limited to Litecoin.
254  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Multi-vPoW - Myriadcoin's Solution to Parasitic Merge Mining on: August 07, 2014, 08:24:46 AM
The multi-vPoW solution involves adjusting block rewards based on which algorithm finds the block. With Myriad as a parent multi-PoW, the child coin can become a multi-PoW (if it isn’t already) that selects a few algorithms that are merged-mined by parent Myriad algorithms and an algorithm(s) that is not merge-mined (creating a degree of overlap).

Wait, what exactly is the purpose to have the overlap? Sorry, some of this is confusing me a bit -- if you could just elaborate on how making the child multi-PoW plays into the overlap.

The purpose of having the overlap is to devote a few of the algorithms to network security through merge mining and "tip" them a smaller block reward while keeping a few others with the "real" block reward numbers.

Looking at the examples in my visualization again, Myriad Child A overlaps Myriad with the Myr-Groestl and Qubit algorithms. Myriad Child B overlaps Myriad with the SHA256d, Scrypt, and Skein algorithms.




In layman terms this means we can make a merged mined child coin which would support shitcoin algo of the week aka the X series. while still having all the normal power on the myriad network. (We'd support the myriad algos while other pools? and pools for the other algos would mine on the X algorithm)

Ahh, I see. So it essentially allows for easier transitioning from algo to algo without hurting one specific coin due the chaining effect that would've happened otherwise. Got it... I think Tongue

I think you are confused still because your response confused me lol.

What do you mean by "easier transitioning from algo to algo?" What is the transitioning, who is doing the transitioning, and how is it easier?

Also, what "chaining effect" are you talking about precisely?

I just want to help you understand Smiley
255  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Multi-vPoW - Myriadcoin's Solution to Parasitic Merge Mining on: August 07, 2014, 12:41:44 AM
I really think Myriadcoin's multi-algorithm PoW is revolutionary as far as PoW crypto currencies are concerned, but I'm not sure if I'd invest in it purely for that reason... I guess I am on the fence.

You guys definitely have a great idea in allowing the simultaneous mining of different algorithms, each with an equal chance to find the next block. This is just another benefit of that innovation that I had not thought of before.. good work.

See the link in my thread.. "Using Oracles... ". I would like to see someone implement a PoS coin with your multi-algorithm PoW idea.. I think it would be the fairest PoS coin release thus far.

Thanks a lot! I'm not asking to invest, but what I am showing is that Myriadcoin could function as a security enhancement while simultaneously not killing the child coin's value. The child coin "tips" smaller block rewards that miners may use to sell if they wish, but not at the magnitude they would with normal block rewards. The child coin helps support the parent coin (Myriad) and the finances of the child coin may be re-invested into Myriad or they may be kept for investments.

I do think that if a solution for a child coin could be created whereby the child coins generated through merge mined could be staked by the merge miners, we would create an even better partnership between parent and child. Miners would have the option of dumping their "tips" or instead staking them and removing even more sell pressure from the market.
256  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Multi-vPoW - Myriadcoin's Solution to Parasitic Merge Mining on: August 07, 2014, 12:36:01 AM
Updated visualization for multi-vPoW to include "block tips" concept for better understanding:

257  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Myriad [1st Multi-PoW] Multi-vPoW | Simplicity v0.1 | Myriadcast Episode 1 on: August 07, 2014, 12:21:10 AM
Updated visualization of multi-vPoW to include the new "block tips" concept. Hopefully it makes the relationship of block rewards for algorithms merge mining and not merge mining easier to understand.

258  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Multi-vPoW - Myriadcoin's Solution to Parasitic Merge Mining on: August 06, 2014, 11:29:03 PM
The multi-vPoW solution involves adjusting block rewards based on which algorithm finds the block. With Myriad as a parent multi-PoW, the child coin can become a multi-PoW (if it isn’t already) that selects a few algorithms that are merged-mined by parent Myriad algorithms and an algorithm(s) that is not merge-mined (creating a degree of overlap).

Wait, what exactly is the purpose to have the overlap? Sorry, some of this is confusing me a bit -- if you could just elaborate on how making the child multi-PoW plays into the overlap.

The purpose of having the overlap is to devote a few of the algorithms to network security through merge mining and "tip" them a smaller block reward while keeping a few others with the "real" block reward numbers.

Looking at the examples in my visualization again, Myriad Child A overlaps Myriad with the Myr-Groestl and Qubit algorithms. Myriad Child B overlaps Myriad with the SHA256d, Scrypt, and Skein algorithms.


259  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Multi-vPoW - Myriadcoin's Solution to Parasitic Merge Mining on: August 06, 2014, 11:24:24 PM
if you are talking innovation on this forum you will be talking to your self primarily - there are few that come though these parts, mostly travelers Junk town is a stop off mostly the resupply sell some cheap wares, that about it your better off heading across the desert into Reddit territory or even find newer pastures....

I like Myraid and find it intriguing  i find the vPoW very interesting.

I think in the future there will be a basket of quality Crypto -  none of them will be single algo -

Thanks for the feedback. I was posting my article every that I could. I figured people on here would read it... even if it's just a few. A lot of people have their own agenda and if Myriad or merge mining isn't on it they simply ignore it.
260  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Myriad [1st Multi-PoW] Multi-vPoW | Simplicity v0.1 | Myriadcast Episode 1 on: August 06, 2014, 07:29:08 AM
http://myriadplatform.org/multi-vpow/
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