Before people go off trying to deify Satoshi, they need to remember (or be informed) that Gavin himself was correcting Satoshi's coding mistakes. That was before even sharper devs came into the project.
Yup. Good thing that all the innovation that Satoshi gave us was in economics, game theory, and protocol, rather than simple software execution. Your observation is akin to criticizing Hemingway's output based upon his penmanship. |
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Roger Ver and the Bitcoin Cash community said that, nodes do not matter, and the miners decide. Well the miners have decided. Bitcoin SV will be the real Bitcoin Cash! Hahahaha. What now? Will they say that non-mining nodes matter, and that users should decide? Or that Bitcoin SV is an attack?  No. ABC redirected 4Ehash from BTC mining to Bitcoin Cash ABC mining in order to show mining strength. Thereby demonstrating the fact that non-mining, fully-validating clients (often mistakenly called 'full nodes') are irrelevant against the non-sybillable mining power. |
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In the midst of this despair, I just wanted to surface the observation that anybody who has been holding bitcoin for more the thirteen months is in the green.
That is all.
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Guys sv just died, no split, no sv coin..no hash
Boy, when you state falsehoods, you go all-in, don't you? Every last one of your 'no' statements above is disproven by the most cursory glance at Coin Dance. |
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Haha. Do you think I am SV? That's rich.
You've done nothing but shill for CSW so hard that if you weren't him, you're his biggest fan, so its a logical assumption. I think you need to revisit what I have actually written. At least if you want to claim you have an informed opinion on the matter. |
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It doesn't really matter either way. ABC wouldn't have accepted SV blocks even without the checkpoint,
ABC not accepting SV blocks is irrelevant. The goal of the checkpoint is to limit the potential depth of a reorg to the block height of the checkpoint. The attack this is meant to preclude is SV sympathizers secretly mining an ABC chain of empty blocks. If such chain exceeds the cumulative PoW of the public ABC chain, that parallel chan could be released, invalidating all previously-considered-settled txs on what is now an orphaned ABC chain. Of course, in order to remain a viable mechanism for forestalling such an attack, the checkpointing will need to be performed periodically, as it can only guard against reorgs preceding and including the checkpoint block height. |
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In offbeat news, Bitmain is now shipping development boards employing its BM1880 Sophon AI deep learning chips: <press release> The Bitmain Sophon(TM) Edge Developer Board is designed for bringing powerful Deep Learning capability to various types of applications through its quick prototype development. Sophon Edge Developer Board is powered by a BM1880, equipping tailored TPU support DNN/CNN/RNN/LSTM operations and models. This board is compatible with Linaro 96boards while also supporting modules for Arduino and Raspberry Pi. Developers can leverage off-the-shelf modules and develop cutting edge DL/ML applications, like facial detection and recognition, facial expression analysis, object detection and recognition, vehicle license plate recognition, voiceprint recognition, and more! </press release> https://www.96boards.org/product/sophon-edge/ |
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The ABC-ers seem to celebrating what they are terming a win. I don't understand this, unless their concept of 'win' is 'unable to be reorged out of existence'. Certainly, this does not preclude SV existing into the future, or even still to become the preponderance of economic activity.
And I was so looking forward to seeing an actual hash war.
Though the future will still be quite fascinating regardless. I've not seen what SV's response will be.
Your fork is currently 40 blocks behind ABC. Doesn't matter how you were defeated, fact is, you were defeated. The polite thing to do would be to throw in the towel and admit defeat. Though I'm certain this is an impossibility for you. Haha. Do you think I am SV? That's rich. |
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Fascinating. Andreas Brekken just stated on livestream that the ABC team reached out some time ago to all exchanges, and pushed out a patch that invalidates deep reorgs. Further, that all exchanges will be implementing another patch that includes what he termed a centralized checkpoint. The net result of all this, if true, is that SV will be unable to reorg the ABC chain out of existence. No matter what the relative hashpower may be.
There had previously been a shared assumption that SV forces had dedicated a large chunk of hash power to mining a parallel secret chain of empty ABC blocks. One that they would later -- at a time of maximum disruption -- release this chain. This secretly mined empty block SV-ABC chain, being longer than the ABC-ABC chain, which would invalidate the ABC-ABC chain. This would have invalidated all the previous 'settled' ABC txs.
Assuming that ABC indeed has all the exchanges lined up, this attack is largely nullified.
The ABC-ers seem to celebrating what they are terming a win. I don't understand this, unless their concept of 'win' is 'unable to be reorged out of existence'. Certainly, this does not preclude SV existing into the future, or even still to become the preponderance of economic activity.
And I was so looking forward to seeing an actual hash war.
Though the future will still be quite fascinating regardless. I've not seen what SV's response will be.
So they just released a coded checkpoint in a program update or activated a checkpoint server? Do you have any link with more details, about how deep of a reorg is allowed? Did they release the new program to the public or just the exchanges? TIA.  Sorry. I have no corroborating info. This is heresay rendered verbally in a livestream conversation amongst a number of bitcoin figures both known and unknown. |
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It is interesting how close to a BTC difficulty change the BCH fork and hash battle is occurring however. Provocative.
Yes. What a coincidence. Go figure. Even more provocative - ABC seems to be kept alive due to a black_hat/white_knight act of Roger. He has redirected 4 EHash of power on the Bitcoin.com pool from BTC to BCH. Spicy! Wait, are you trying to tell me that CSW's whole plan relied on Roger sitting by idly looking at his pool mining BTC while all of his work and savings in Bcash are destroyed because there wasn't enough hash to support Bcash? Of course not, silly. I'm merely forwarding actual information not yet entered into discourse here. What is _your_ contribution? Though an autocratic redirection of BTC pool power without assent of all participants is kind of interesting in its own right. More info in the Bitcoin Cash thread. |
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Fascinating. Andreas Brekken just stated on livestream that the ABC team reached out some time ago to all exchanges, and pushed out a patch that invalidates deep reorgs. Further, that all exchanges will be implementing another patch that includes what he termed a centralized checkpoint. The net result of all this, if true, is that SV will be unable to reorg the ABC chain out of existence. No matter what the relative hashpower may be.
There had previously been a shared assumption that SV forces had dedicated a large chunk of hash power to mining a parallel secret chain of empty ABC blocks. One that they would later -- at a time of maximum disruption -- release this chain. This secretly mined empty block SV-ABC chain, being longer than the ABC-ABC chain, which would invalidate the ABC-ABC chain. This would have invalidated all the previous 'settled' ABC txs.
Assuming that ABC indeed has all the exchanges lined up, this attack is largely nullified.
The ABC-ers seem to celebrating what they are terming a win. I don't understand this, unless their concept of 'win' is 'unable to be reorged out of existence'. Certainly, this does not preclude SV existing into the future, or even still to become the preponderance of economic activity.
And I was so looking forward to seeing an actual hash war.
Though the future will still be quite fascinating regardless. I've not seen what SV's response will be.
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It is interesting how close to a BTC difficulty change the BCH fork and hash battle is occurring however. Provocative.
Yes. What a coincidence. Go figure. Even more provocative - ABC seems to be kept alive due to a black_hat/white_knight act of Roger. He has redirected 4 EHash of power on the Bitcoin.com pool from BTC to BCH. Spicy! |
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God, I can't even believe people want to keep talking about this asshole.
Haha. I'm guessing your outburst was not intentionally ironic. |
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So has it split yet?
No. Where can I sell cash abc and cash sv for bitcoins?
Try Poloniex. |
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Jihan exactly knows how much hashpower they do have in total.
::*ahem!*:: Speculation based solely upon allegations not yet entered into evidence. By what mechanism do you think Jihan knows their total hash power? You trying to assert that miners don't know their own business and their own hashing capabilities? No. Do try to keep up. I am saying that one miner is unlikely to know the hash power capabilities of another miner, should second such miner have hash power yet undeployed. |
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you may never see me again
Promise? |
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Jihan exactly knows how much hashpower they do have in total.
::*ahem!*:: Speculation based solely upon allegations not yet entered into evidence. By what mechanism do you think Jihan knows their total hash power? Craig Wright said they bought the machines from Jihan and it was the majority of Bitmain sales during Q1. I assume Jihan knows how much they sold and its combined hashpower. Did he say that that was all the hashpower they acquired? Or merely that they acquired the majority of Bitmain's Q1 output? Two different things. not sure if relevant (not really reading your posts now lol) or true, but this was being bandied about on hashpower https://twitter.com/BryceWeiner/status/1062689549468364800^^One sketchy counterexample of unknown provenance entered into evidence to buttress the possibility that the Q1 Bitmain output totality story is not the totality of the story. |
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Jihan exactly knows how much hashpower they do have in total.
::*ahem!*:: Speculation based solely upon allegations not yet entered into evidence. By what mechanism do you think Jihan knows their total hash power? Craig Wright said they bought the machines from Jihan and it was the majority of Bitmain sales during Q1. I assume Jihan knows how much they sold and its combined hashpower. Did he say that that was all the hashpower they acquired? Or merely that they acquired the majority of Bitmain's Q1 output? Two different things. |
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Jihan exactly knows how much hashpower they do have in total.
::*ahem!*:: Speculation based solely upon allegations not yet entered into evidence. By what mechanism do you think Jihan knows their total hash power? |
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