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2441  Economy / Gambling / Re: WOLF.BET - Provably fair dice game $1,000 Daily Race7-day streak bonus on: September 29, 2019, 10:25:55 AM
Second, any gambling website cheats the users, can easily change the data. It's not difficult to show everything they want to users on their website.

This post means that you are generalizing gambling sites as cheater that gives fake data to their users unless you have different meaning. At least, I'm understanding it like a baseless accusation to all gambling sites, sounds like spreading a FUD

I don't think that this was his real intention

Most likely, he is simply not very well familiar with how the system works (I refer to bets being provably fair), so he assumed that gambling sites could feed their players any data they see appropriate (read, bust you any moment). If you look at it from this perspective, i.e. without knowing that bets can be checked (in fact, any particular bet), then it makes sense. And truth be told, some casinos have actually been caught doctoring the bet outcomes in the past (you can search the Gambling section for more info). When asked, they refused to provide server seeds for the bets in question (or how it is done), which would prove the outcomes were either legit or tampered with
2442  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Bitcoin and casinos on: September 29, 2019, 09:40:23 AM
I have worked for a few years in a casino and I couldn't help but imagine that people should be able to gamble with bitcoin.

Is it already happening? - I don't mean on the internet

And do you think this will be future of casinos?

Do you know that one day bitcoin will become a main stream currency and we will be using it in physical places like hotels, restaurants and shops. At that time bitcoin will be used in physical casino also.

Don't be much hypothetical here, we've known bitcoin for so long, we've known its capability but let us not forget that it contain high volatility rate which is more likely the reason why people would easily give up on crypto. There are already establishments that acknowledge cryptocurrency, most of them are well known companies across the globe. I don't think physical casinos would do the same as they are regulated by the government, being that said casinos also have workers to be paid not by means of bitcoin but fiat. We need more time, much time to transition into cashless society.

Bitcoin volatility can only be reduced when it is widely spread everywhere and bitcoin is distributed. If few whales hold major portion of the bitcoins, then this manipulation cannot be stopped

If wishes were horses, beggars might ride

Or it is easier said than done (not plagiarism but a couple of witticisms). To cut a long story short, Bitcoin is good money while fiat is bad money, with the implication being that people prefer to hoard bitcoins and spend dollars (or whatever). Yeah, I know it sounds a little bit like paradox given Bitcoin's extreme volatility but the main premise still stands (good versus bad). What that means is that there is little to no chance for Bitcoin to be evenly distributed, ever, which in turn essentially means volatility is here to stay and we have to live with that

Also we will have a phase when the fiat will completely be replaced by the digital currency and at that time, even the physical casino will be using the crypto. Although this may take a decade or even more to happen

But that's unlikely to happen for the reasons stated. However, personally, I have doubts whether we actually need that land casinos started to accept crypto when there is no lack of online ones with which you can gamble your coins away in a relaxed and cozy manner without leaving your armchair and constantly looking back over your shoulder (though you can still safely keep your fingers crossed)
2443  Economy / Gambling / Re: WOLF.BET - Provably fair dice game $1,000 Daily Race7-day streak bonus on: September 29, 2019, 08:26:12 AM
Anyone here that become one of the top 10 in the wolf race?
I would like to ask or maybe need some advices on how to be the best especially in the race, maybe there are some tips or tricks? Coz the prizes are really tempting  Grin
There could be some whale here that are roaming around or they just want to be anonymous.

The best way to compete with other players on wagering contest is "BIG BALANCE". By this way, you have better chance to win because you can wager more. Most winners on wagering contest is whales who they can beat other players who have lower balance in just short time span.
If you can afford to wager big amount in few bets only then you can come to play to wager in the last minutes. See the leaderboard, how much they have wagered before the contest end, then beat them all with your few bets but big amount

That may not play out as planned

Now that wolf.bet has attracted enough attention and partly thanks to its wagering contest (aka Wolf Race), you may not be the only whale sitting there in ambush and waiting for the timer to run out. So it is quite possible that you actually end up in a bitter dogfight (well, let's call it wolf fight as it seems more appropriate here) in the last minutes of the contest instead of "beat them all with your few bets". In other words, if you come up with what you think a brilliant idea, think again. Maybe, someone has already thought that out. Other than that, I agree that you need big balance to square things off and gain an advantage
2444  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Is Still bad? JPMorgan Chase Traders Accused Of Market Manipulation on: September 29, 2019, 08:02:14 AM
Market manipulation is anywhere, even is stock it is manipulated by whales, I think it is just fined because it happens in every type of currency or trades. we need just to be cautious in investing, many coin which have a small volume can be manipulated, just stay out of it and you will be just fine

Technically, there are two major varieties of market manipulation

The first, which you refer to in your post, i.e. manipulation by big players and market movers ("whales" as people call them here) may not even be considered proper manipulation by some (even though such activities can be prohibited by governing bodies and agencies such as CFTC, SEC and their likes) because it is market manipulation carried out by market means via exploiting one's financial leverage

On the other hand, there is market manipulation of a more evil or even destructive type. This manipulation is done not by traders (whales or otherwise) but by entities which have a leverage other than purely financial. These are exchanges themselves first and foremost as well as all those trading commissions already mentioned (don't be surprised here). This type of manipulation is inherently evil as it destroys the market when it runs wild
2445  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Bitcoin and casinos on: September 28, 2019, 05:52:47 PM
There are already tons of casino games that we could play using crypto you only need to know the website.
And there are also some people who use some online games to gamble and have fun for example tongits go and other kinds of apps too

OP asks about real casinos (think Las Vegas here)

For this, it is necessary that the casino accept cryptocurrency as a payment for chips.
I believe that there is no problem

But isn't this exactly the problem?

Just like with merchants not accepting crypto, regular "offline" casinos may not be willing either because they would have to deal with volatility issues. In fact, all such issues can be dealt with in an effective and efficient way (in a technical sense), but that requires extra costs which can easily make the whole thing not worth it (given that they keep their books in whatever the official currency is). And still more so when people willing to stake their coins can easily do that in online casinos (which is totally hassle-free)

Now, nothing prevents you from exchanging chips for dollars, and then buying cryptocurrency

I agree, but this is not what the topic is about
2446  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Is Still bad? JPMorgan Chase Traders Accused Of Market Manipulation on: September 28, 2019, 03:37:11 PM
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This is just human nature and you can't do anything with it apart from catching transgressors and punishing them appropriately (which would raise that ratio and make it prohibitively expensive to break the rules). The Hunt brothers case is a classic in the market manipulation genre

Great example! It shows us what kind of people can manipulate the market. Just read the quote below:

The Hunts lost over a billion dollars through this incident, but the family fortunes survived.

Those guys lost $1 billion, but it was okay because their family had $4 billion more. So you have to be not simply rich, but super rich, with billions of USD, to do such things

This is only a tip of the iceberg

Silver market is especially shiny (pardon the pun) for its manipulation propensity but it is definitely not the only pebble on the beach. Smaller markets are easier to manipulate (silver is not a very big market overall) but even the biggest markets get manipulated. It just requires more leverage which is not available to "regular" billionaires. This is the task for central banks and their likes. Obviously, you can't catch these as they are the ones who do all the catching (and punishment, for that matter)
2447  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Will You Believe That It's A Fix on: September 28, 2019, 02:49:11 PM
Ok this actually happens to my friend not so long ago, he is going on a boxing match and he will bet for the heavy favorite, then suddenly an unknown guy whisper to him, that the fight is going to be fixed and he supposedly heard it from the favorite to win, locker room, are you going to listen to that and bet for the underdog.

What's your take?

Someone's been kidding obviously

Really, why would you seriously expect a totally random dude to tell you something which, if true, would let you grab easy money? There is no reason in doing this, i.e. the only reason that you can come up with is someone trying to make a fool of you. As the famous (or infamous, depending on your stance) con artist Joseph Weil (aka Yellow Kid) once said, each of his victims had larceny in their heart. So it is the same here with the aim to make your greed cloud your reason and common sense (for the fun of it)
2448  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The secret of gambling? on: September 28, 2019, 01:44:20 PM
As someone who recently lost in one day several times more than what I could afford to lose, I urge you, guys, don't play poker when you are unstable

And it is not just about poker

As it refers to anything where the outcome (largely) depends on the quality of your decisions. That is kind of obvious, but sometimes you have to make a decision under pressure, for example, if you are running out of time and have to make up your mind anyway. And you may not leave, i.e. refrain from making any decision, as that would spell complete failure. The point is, you have to deal with your emotions somehow even if they are overwhelming you
2449  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does Martingale strategy increase your chance of winning? on: September 28, 2019, 08:16:48 AM
...you just gotta believe in your self that you can do it...

Welcome to the world of gambling! Where such line as this is never applicable. You can speak of it to a boxer in a match, or a singer in a competition, or a runner in a race, but never to a gambler whose only chance of winning is by random

Well, personally I totally agree with you

However, if you (for example) believe in God (a higher deity, conscious universe, world government, aliens, or anything to that tune), it would be hard not to accept that you can't rationally reason with somebody who believes in his luck (or in himself, which is actually the same). In other words, these are things of the same order (read, their falseness cannot be proven or disproven as they lack a certain quality called falsifiability). And the ultimate irony in all of this is that it can in fact pan out in real life as with anything truly random (read, there can be powerful outliers)

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. martingale method and other strategies have been discussed many times but most of the answers will say that it does not work

Let me clarify it a little. It does work. Martingale remains up to this very day because it could be used and it could work. And it could make you recover your loss the quickest way

Again, agree with this point. It is how you use this system (as well as stop using it) which determines your success rates with it in the long run
2450  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Is Still bad? JPMorgan Chase Traders Accused Of Market Manipulation on: September 28, 2019, 06:37:10 AM
Oh well, what do you expect from people behind JP Morgan, they made a noise about Bitcoin is 2017 saying nasty things and then manipulating the price in their favor. Now, we see what this company are made of, greedy, manipulators, I'm sure they can pay the fine. But I do hope that their investors would shift their funds to Bitcoin

I wouldn't blame just JPMorgan traders

Every trader would do essentially the same in absolutely any market (gold, crude oil, and, yes, crypto too) as long as the risk/reward ratio is acceptable to them. In more mundane terms, if they can pull off some trick that is considered illegal or even outright prohibited but there is a high chance to get away with it, you can be damn sure some will go for it to earn a buck or two

This is just human nature and you can't do anything with it apart from catching transgressors and punishing them appropriately (which would raise that ratio and make it prohibitively expensive to break the rules). The Hunt brothers case is a classic in the market manipulation genre
2451  Economy / Economics / Re: Money Is Political, Not Technical on: September 27, 2019, 09:03:59 PM
That money is a political and not a technical problem is a truism

I don't quite understand what you mean by this. Care to explain in greater detail?

This is where the problem arises for bitcoin, as money is completely political they are not able to keep the technical money under their control. With bitcoin too there is political play, but these were very low compared to what the political play takes place with the fiat currencies

Bitcoin is indeed no less political

Just recall all the bickering, scheming and infighting around activating SegWit in 2017 which ultimately led to a Bitcoin fork into, well, just Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash. Wasn't that political or was it less political than with "regular" money? To me, things followed the regular pattern revealed in such matters

Moreover, if Bitcoin expands, it will be even more politically colored as is the case with anything having some value and concerning interests of different groups of people. Conceptually, it is not about the thing itself (Bitcoin or otherwise) but rather about the people and their interests involved

Different countries have different economic policies, different practices in printing of money. We cannot say the same takes place perfectly. When it comes to bitcoin government can't make any modification, which makes it tough and this is the prime reason for few countries to oppose bitcoin usage

Rest assured they will find a way to overcome this obstacle (if it becomes worth it)
2452  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: time to change BTC to ETH? on: September 27, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
ETH is now in an extremely low position. How good is the idea to buy it now?

As they say, it depends

In fact, it may be worth to move an insignificant part of your cryptoholdings to Ethereum (if you hadn't done so already) as we can expect some hype prior to Ethereum 2.0 release, which is scheduled to occur in January 2020. But then we shouldn't forget about the Bitcoin halving to come a few months later which should have an even more pronounced effect on Bitcoin's price (read, there should be more powerful price action). In other words, we will likely see a roller coaster in the coming months, and if you manage to time the market, it could pay back handsomely. Just my perspective, do your own due diligence at all times
2453  Economy / Gambling / Re: WOLF.BET - Provably fair dice game $1,000 Daily Race7-day streak bonus on: September 27, 2019, 12:51:37 PM
Second, any gambling website cheats the users, can easily change the data. It's not difficult to show everything they want to users on their website

Could you expand more on this?

Every casino has a house edge if that is your point. In case of wolf.bet it is set at 1%, which is the same across the industry on average. But it is not a secret, so it can't be a cheat either. Regarding the fairness of the bets, that can be easily checked manually. In fact, you can do that right at wolf.bet. I didn't check the bets being fair myself as I don't think there is such a need for me personally (I don't bet much). But your situation may be different. Or maybe you mean something else

I may have been too harsh and cynical and I jumped to conclusions, I apologize to wolfbet for making unsubstantiated accusations. I am giving the site another try and I still like it (participating in the race, hopefully Im not going to get beat by 90Ninerss and TMW at the last minute Wink ).

Be aware, these two have been retired. Just kidding
2454  Economy / Economics / Re: INFLATION IN THE UNDERDEVELOPED COUNTRIES on: September 27, 2019, 10:17:19 AM
The world economy keeps crashing with many incidence of inflation. What is happening at the moment is  a clear indication of a world that has failed the minority. Although the underdeveloped countries could partly be blamed for the high inflation that exists in their respective economies. Would things turn around for good  if underdeveloped countries start to add value to their natural resources themselves without selling to the countries with good economy?
It's high time that third world countries realise that it is industrialization and not natural resources alone that is going to make them leap from being a third world country to maybe an economic super power, They are over reliant on their natural resources and all they tend to do is to export them, if they are able to build factories that could transform their raw materials to finished products like developed countries do, they will end up being getting 10x the profits they make from exporting just the raw materials alone

If only things were that simple

The problem is that countries which are already industrialized have a competitive advantage while the third world countries can't just proceed from exporting raw materials and natural resources to manufacturing finished products and retail-ready goods because they simply would not be able to stand the competition with the developed countries. So, instead of getting 10x the profits from exporting natural resources, they would only incur losses by producing subpar goods that will fail to market

To do what you suggest requires a lot more than just building factories as it also requires highly qualified labor force, technologies, capital, etc, as well as support from the big guns like the US opening their markets (see Japan as one such example) and it takes literally decades to go in that direction till finally getting there (or just somewhere)
2455  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Making exponential gains trading on: September 27, 2019, 08:50:49 AM
Does anyone else have any ideas to share or methods that consistently gives them good gains?

It is like donating a goose laying golden eggs

If anyone had such a strategy, they would keep their mouth shut about it. And they definitely wouldn't be bragging about their profits. That essentially answers your question. People who claim that they were able to multiply their investments like 10-100x are either massively exaggerating their real successes or they were just extremely lucky to first get in on time and then get out just in time

The bottom line is, take anything that you hear about someone earning insane amounts of dough with a bag of salt as reality may be not as rosy as it is being described
2456  Economy / Economics / Re: INFLATION IN THE UNDERDEVELOPED COUNTRIES on: September 27, 2019, 07:16:50 AM
The world economy keeps crashing with many incidence of inflation. What is happening at the moment is  a clear indication of a world that has failed the minority. Although the underdeveloped countries could partly be blamed for the high inflation that exists in their respective economies. Would things turn around for good  if underdeveloped countries start to add value to their natural resources themselves without selling to the countries with good economy?

If you ask me, that would completely bring down their economies (and very fast at that)

These countries have to export their natural resources "as is" because there is not much else they can do (or sell) as they lack the required technologies as well as expertise "to add value to their natural resources themselves". Remember, they are underdeveloped, which basically means natural resources are their only available means of keeping up their level of welfare

If they didn't export natural resources as you suggest, they wouldn't receive the financial means (read, dollars) to buy thousands of other things which they don't produce themselves since they are underdeveloped (but I repeat myself). Then they would quickly turn into a North Korea of sorts. In simple terms, selling whatever they have is their only option (other than developing their economy the "hard way"). It is just how things stand in the world
2457  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Bitcoin and casinos on: September 27, 2019, 06:39:58 AM
there is a thing called "adoption" first in every gambler, too. Not all gamblers and casino owners know about bitcoin.
why not ? btc are verry old  . its old enough for every average joe to hear and recognize it

Adoption and age are not the same

With that said, however, I don't think either that gamblers let alone casinos are not aware about Bitcoin. But the problem lies deeper. As I see it, Bitcoin as well as other cryptocurrencies (and by others I refer to Dogecoin first and foremost) is perfect for online gambling (Doge is even better), so it is kind of enough is as good as a feast. In other words, people who have crypto and a desire to gamble can easily satisfy that desire in an online casino. In the case they want something real, they can convert their bitcoins to cash (provided they don't have any) and go to Las Vegas, Monaco, and similar places

not really  . what about on physical casino , they also use chips as bets right ?  same as on cryptos . crypto bets are like chips and you can still convert them later on to  a real cash

Not that it is impossible per se, it is just too clumsy and cumbersome (when you already have a cash option)
2458  Local / Трейдеры / Re: доллар соскамят on: September 26, 2019, 08:06:56 PM
Рубль возрастет в разы к доллару?

Это означает, что доллар упадет к рублю, что ли? У американцев своей нефти хоть залейся, а если где не хватает (ну логистика дорогая, например), то они всегда могут купить у Канады или Мексики, т.е. у ближайших соседей. Уже давно прошли те времени, когда ценность бакса зависела от избытка или дефицита нефти - как это было, например, в 70-х годах прошлого века, когда персидские монархии объявили Штатам нефтяное эмбарго за то, что те поддержали евреев в их терках с арабами. Любой дефицит нефти Штаты сейчас легко покроют собственным производством

Ну во-первых там написано слово сарказм  Wink по поводу рубля и бакса

А это была ирония по поводу сарказма

А во-вторых, тут можно поспорить. Нефть то есть, только качество ее гов..о, потому они и ведут войны по всему миру, где хоть чутка можно отжать этого топлива. Тоже самое и с газом. Газ сланцевый - это вообще не газ а фуфло

Это нужно с нефтяниками спорить

На соответствующем форуме. Однако Штатам не надо ни с кем воевать (ну почти), ибо вся импортируемая в Штаты нефть (хорошая она или плохая) поставляется из соседних территорий. Как я уже сказал, это Канада, Мексика и, внимание, Венесуэла, у которой самые большие запасы нефти в мире (больше чем у саудитов и даже персов, если что). Поэтому Дяде Сэму для полного нефтяного эмбарго (зачеркнуто) элизиума достаточно просто заменить упрямого Чавеса (зачеркнуто) Мадуро на кого-то более сговорчивого
2459  Economy / Economics / Re: Can Libra Disrupt The Financial/Economic System? on: September 26, 2019, 07:42:21 PM
A project like Libra will generally give users the opportunity to gain independence in managing their finances. Perhaps this is precisely the main problem for governments, and not some kind of impact on the economy

But that will inevitably have a huge impact on the world economy

With a lot of unintended consequences and complex ramifications since governments won't be anymore able to print money like there's no tomorrow (what the monetary use of virtually anything but fiat comes down to). This will mean the whole modern economics paradigm shift, not some minor changes here and there

This is what governments are scared of. Whether this paradigm shift will be for good or bad on the whole is another question, but what is beyond question here is the gravity of the situation if Libra or anything like it (read, Bitcoin) takes off for real (unlikely but still)
Anyway, I can’t understand why only the Libra project causes such indignation among most governments.  Even in some States of the United States, cryptocurrency and cryptocurrency exchanges are officially legalized, as evidenced by news from the Chicago Board of Trade, where Bitcoin futures trading starts.  Apparently, in this regard, the problem is resolved and other cryptocurrencies do not cause such a negative as a Facebook project

There is a simple explanation

Note, however, that it is not necessarily the only explanation possible as there can be many as many factors are involved with this currency. As Libra is essentially a tokenized dollar, it can't threaten the underlying asset itself (i.e. the dollar), so the point of discord lies elsewhere. And here's the crux of the matter. Libra won't be a competitor to the dollar but it will definitely compete with the payment systems based on the dollar, i.e. almost every payment system out there (Visa, MasterCard, Western Union, to name but a few). So it is not with the governments that it causes so much tension, indignation and irritation but rather with the lobbies of payment companies in these governments
2460  Economy / Gambling / Re: WOLF.BET - Provably fair dice game $1,000 Daily Race7-day streak bonus on: September 26, 2019, 07:08:38 PM
I wasn't aware on that two accounts issue. Have some any links on it? Some common names to be seen on the leaderboard specially that Hidden guy

Reading the previous page would suffice. It was meant as a joke on some dude claiming wolf.bet was cheating with the race and the number of bets. Deleted the original post to avoid possible confusion and misunderstanding. You can delete yours too
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