Hello everyone.
I want to know which are safest wallets to store/Hold our bitcoin ?
Thank you
Eventough this question has been asked several times before, it's to important not to answer it this time: From safest to least/safe (imho) - [SAFEST] Latest version of bitcoin core, nonhd, on an airgapped pc running an up-to-date linux distro. Make sure you use encryption, and make sure you backup the wallet.dat on an offline device
- [REALLY SAFE] Latest version of electrum on an airgapped pc running an up-to-date linux distro. Make sure you keep the seed phrase safe! I'd suggest encrypting the seed just in case somebody finds it
- [REALLY SAFE] Properly generated paper wallet, bip38 encrypted, generated using a strong RNG on an offline machine, printed on an offline printer
- [REALLY SAFE] A hardware wallet, i personally have a ledger and a trezor, both work fine... Just keep them regularly updated and make sure you store the seed in a safe place
- [RELATIVELY SAFE] A recent desktop wallet on a clean PC, only use wel-vetted open source wallets tough! And make sure you download them from the correct place!
- [UNSAFE] An online wallet (this includes blockchain.info)
- [REALLY RISKY] Using an exchange/gambling site/... as a wallet
Next time, use the search function tough! |
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There are several tools to do this, and there are several services. There are also several scammers who will take your funds! Be very careful who you trust, don't send your wallet.dat to anyone (1 million possibilities is very easy to brute-force), and ignore all "offers" you get through PM! I second this. I'd urge the op to do his own brute-forcing. This tool worked wonders for me in the past: https://github.com/gurnec/btcrecoverI can't imagine it taking long to brute force a password that only consists of 6 numbers... I wouldn't risk getting scammed by using an external service. |
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All balances, transactions and pending transactions are "stored" on all bitcoin nodes so you don't need to worry about that.
So all you need to backup is all of wallet.dat that you have and make sure your server is secure (such as strict firewall rules and add password to your RPC) and you place the backup on safe place.
You might want to backup whole blockchain and UTXO DB (blocks and chainstate folder) just in case when your storage drive is broken, so you can sync faster (and thus have less downtime).
Agreed, I only wanted to add that the default setting of recent versions of bitcoin core is to generate HD wallets. If you have a HD wallet, you only need to take a backup once (unless you encrypt your wallet, in this case you have to take a new backup after encryption). If you used an old wallet.dat, or if you explicitly started core with the flag telling it not to create a HD wallet (either from the cli or in the bitcoin.conf by using or setting usehd=0) you NEED to create a backup every time your wallet created x new addresses. The x is determined by the keypool size (default: 100) |
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Yeah, sorry for the delay of my script... Your work looks top notch  I had some IRL problems that caused some delay, but i'm also in the process of running my own script in order to find potential abusers at this very moment: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5037337.msg46140560#msg46140560I know your list and mine will be 95% equal, but i decided to post mine anyways, so people have 2 independant sources  |
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reserved, in case the list in the OP grows so large i can't get everything in a single post...
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I used LoyceV's merit statistics: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3078328.new#newAnd ran them trough this script: #!/usr/bin/python
import time
import cfscrape
import re
from collections import Counter
#the unix timestamp on which Theymos declared the new rule about 1 merit minimum
timestamp_start = 1537157940
#a list of the complete merit history, reversed (oldest timestamp on top), tac merit.all.txt > merit.txt
filepath = 'merit.txt'
#database with the latest message received merit BEFORE the rule change...
db_received_merit_before_newrule = {}
#potential suspect senders
db_theusualsuspects_from = []
#potential suspect receivers
db_theusualsuspects_to = {}
print "everything intialised"
print "starting the parsing of " + filepath
with open(filepath) as fp:
line = fp.readline()
linenumber = 0
while line:
linenumber += 1
line = fp.readline().strip()
parts = line.split()
try:
timestamp = int(parts[0])
amount = int(parts[1])
msg = str(parts[2])
from_uid = int(parts[3])
to_uid = int(parts[4])
#if the time of the merit exchange happened BEFORE the rule change,the user is whitelisted because he received merit BEFORE he knew he/she needed it to move past newbie
if timestamp < timestamp_start:
if to_uid not in db_received_merit_before_newrule:
db_received_merit_before_newrule[to_uid] = msg
else:
#only if the user never received merit BEFORE the rule change, and the merit amount was exactly 1
if to_uid not in db_received_merit_before_newrule and amount == 1:
print str(to_uid) + " was merited with 1 merit for the first time after " + str(timestamp_start) + "...Suspicious"
#keep the uid + latest msg for the potentially abusive sender for later analysis
db_theusualsuspects_from.append(from_uid)
#add the uid + latest message to the db to check
if to_uid not in db_theusualsuspects_to:
db_theusualsuspects_to[to_uid] = msg
except:
print "error in line " + str(linenumber) + "(" + line + ")"
print "ending the parsing of " + filepath
print "listing the most common +1 merit SENDERS to potential suspects since Theymos's rule change"
x = Counter(db_theusualsuspects_from)
print x.most_common()
print "getting all profiles and filtering out all jr members"
for suspect in db_theusualsuspects_to:
scraper = cfscrape.create_scraper()
html = scraper.get("https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=" + str(suspect)).content
m = re.search('(<td>Jr. Member</td>)', html)
if m:
m2 = re.search('(<td>1</td>)', html)
if m2:
print str(suspect) + " " + m.group(0) + " " + db_theusualsuspects_to[suspect]
time.sleep(2)
The end result was the following list of suspicious merit senders (people that sent exactly 1 merit to a person that had never received a single merit before theymos's rule change): Only senders that sent to >= 5 potential abusers were listed... I have a full list, but i don't want this to end in a witchhunt  The format is pretty simple, it's a just listing the sender's UID and the number of times he/she sent exactly one merit to a person that had never received a merit before. This list also includes potential merit sources, these merit sources aren't abusers... So please use your due diligence before asking any of these guys for an explanation!!! [(965234, 58), (176605, 48), (218947, 45), (18321, 42), (24140, 39), (485194, 36), (236307, 29), (1441048, 23), (1000199, 19), (452769, 16), (1192397, 15), (676087, 14), (153634, 13), (183610, 13), (1424178, 12), (1059082, 10), (255170, 9), (359716, 9), (229393, 8), (2093373, 8), (158960, 8), (79608, 8), (376122, 8), (1005932, 7), (193087, 7), (533071, 7), (1582324, 7), (786044, 7), (841996, 6), (1616153, 6), (459836, 6), (900400, 6), (1740809, 5), (829330, 5), (667791, 5), (2005243, 5), (2074929, 5), (715090, 5), (1393657, 5), (897509, 5), (1333897, 5), (580327, 5), (2012071, 5), (383935, 5), (48075, 5), (1213491, 5), (1459592, 5), (898511, 5), (1777170, 5), (1226362, 5), (1230675, 5), (487418, 5)]
And here is the list of junior members that were demoted due to theymos's rule change, but got re-promoted after receiving EXACTLY 1 merit from another member after the rule change got them kicked from their rank. The format is pretty simple: uid of the receiver, post+msg of the post that got him/her his/her merit he/she needed to re-promote to junior member: 1933314, 2956231.msg45663542
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timeout for suspect 1173969 so his/her profile wasn't parsed
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timeout for suspect 1223251 so his/her profile wasn't parsed
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De bitcointalk zoekfunctie geeft me maar 2 hits over bitcoin.eu, één uit 2013 en één uit 2014... Strange, normaal gezien vind je toch wat meer info over zulke oude sites...
Ik denk dat degenen die bitcoin.eu plaatsen hun berichten hebben verwijderd of de moderator die ze heeft verwijderd, Ik denk dat dat logisch is  Waarom is dat logisch? Voor zover ik weet word op bitcointalk weinig censuur toegepast... Wanneer een mod vind dat je topic in het verkeerde subforum staat word deze gemoved, wanneer hij vind dat alle vragen beantwoord zijn word de topic soms gesloten, voor zover ik weet worden enkel offtopic, spam en illegale berichten/signatures verwijderd... |
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Thanks a lot! I really loved collecting it all and see patterns emerge. Price is a big factor in bitcoin mining. During my measurement period, the price was dropping for a while, but this did not really hurt hash rate. What do you think the reson is?
I don't think there's just one single reason why the hashrate doesn't drop on a price dip. These are some of the reasons that might contribute to the phenomenon: - a miner running an asic farm can't switch pow algo's, so he doesn't have a lot of choices to start mining on a different chain. As long as he produces more btc than his hw cost, he"s probably better off if he keeps mining... Even if he can't roi. - some amateurs don't care about profit, they just mine to keep the diff high - ignorance - people that keep mining because they believe the price will rise again, but don't realise they're probably better off if they'd stop their mining and buy btc directly instead of paying more for their power than they generate in btc |
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You know the board is lost when you get abused and accused of being a liar, asshole, cheater and a terrible son with absolutely ZERO proof to back it up and people hand out the merit to individuals making these claims. I guess you are guilty until proven innocent here. You guys may want to stop and think about how your treating people. I'm not lying. Can't really prove it but I am disappointed at the attack. One could have simply said you father was shit posting and is banned. End of story.
The personal attacks were uncalled for. The fact that they were merited shows a lot about why the forum is having issues. No one will respect your rules when you have no respect for the other members.
Wow dude, you're putting a lot of words in my mouth here... Where the hell did I call you an asshole or a terrible son? The fact remains that most of the guys asking to unban a family member are in fact just trying to get an alt account unbanned... There is a small chance you're actually telling the truth, but I must say that my experience tells me otherwise. There are a lot of reasons why you would claim your alt account is not yours, mostly to create plausible deniability: - if you strike first and claim the banned account belongs to a family member, you can continue posting with your alt without evading your ban
- if somebody links your accounts together using wallet analysis you can claim your dad was using your wallet
- if IP evidence comes up proving the banned account is your alt, you can just claim your dad was using your internet
- ...
Next to this, claiming your alt account belongs to your frail old dad might increase the sympathy factor and maybe the admin will give you your alt account back... On the other side, your dad would win nothing by letting you fight his battles... If he was banned, he could have made a new account to open his own thread in meta and state his case... It would have been less embarrassing. So, I have no proof the banned account is actually your alt, but the odds are not in your favour. In the slim chance I'm wrong:I apologise... The fact remains that if there was no time indication, this is a perma ban... And if anybody links your account with your "dads", it will also be banned due to ban evasion. Good luck, and you'd better grow a thicker skin if you're going to stick around... Twisting words around and claiming people said things about you they didn't actually say won't help any of your accounts ahead |
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I'm defenatly interested...
Depending on the price of each item included in your package, i'd say it would be a good idear to include several stainless steel plates per set.. I have several seed phrases i'd like to backup, but i only need 1 set of letter stamps to stamp them all.
Let us know when these discount codes will be available and wether or not you'd be open to using a forum escrow!
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When you try to log in what does your your father's ban text say? Does it specify how long the account is banned? If not, you your father are is permabanned.
>90% of the permabans are because you your father plagiarised, but since 90% of your his posts are written in another language (or maybe they're posted in a subforum i'm ignoring... To lazy to find out which is the exact reason i'm not seeing your his posts), i'm not going to sift trough your his posts to find any offending messages.
BTW: a ban means YOU YOUR FATHER is banned, not only your his account. If you he continues posting with another account, you're he's ban evading which is a bannable offence
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I love this idear!
Normally i'd think about possible abuse (for example, somebody being able to demerit a competitor or somebody that doesn't agree with him/her), but since the new demoted jr. wave, i think the odds of demerit abuse is a lot smaller than the odds of merit abuse itself...
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And to solve this problem completely, I propose to introduce mandatory periodicity (for example, 1 merit per week) of receiving a merit by all active participants of the forum, regardless of rank.
We already have activity for this... You can only gain 14 activity every 2 weeks... I don't see a point in using the same technique for merits. |
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Hallo cryptoers,
heeft een van jullie ervaring met bitcoin.eu ?
ze hebben namelij wel leuke prijzen maar mijn onderbuikgevoel zegt 'NEE' omdat de minimum aankoop
t.w. 100 euro is, op zich best veel en ik kan niets over ze vinden als dat ze in een bedrijfsverzamel gebouw zitten
in Amsterdam.
Je kunt er dan welleswaar betalen met ideal maar ja dat zegt helemaal nix deze dagen.
Ook de betaaltermijn van 120 minuten vind ik eigenlijk te mooi om waar te zijn.
Groet Johan
De bitcointalk zoekfunctie geeft me maar 2 hits over bitcoin.eu, één uit 2013 en één uit 2014... Strange, normaal gezien vind je toch wat meer info over zulke oude sites... Dit gezegd zijnde: de twee posts die ik kon vinden schetsten niet zo'n fraai beeld. Her kan echter zijn dat her domein ondertussen van eigenaar veranderd is (werk momenteel mobile, heb geen zin om de whois history te gaan doorzoeken). Persoonlijk zou ik toch kiezen voor een meer gekende plaats om btc te kopen.. Ik neem niet graag risicos |
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My proposition was to filter out potential abusers using my script, then manually verify the list and only punish those that received merits for posts that are complete garbage... This leaves the possibility the shitposter received Merit without buying it. The sender on the other hand is for sure guilty in this scenario. Your project deserves it's own thread! Yeah, there are still a lot of loopholes (which i won't list), i was just going for a way to discourage this kind of behaviour by filtering out the bulk of the potential abusers and holding them responsible for what they've done... That way other people might think twice before buying or exchanging 1 merit to get out of the "newbie hell" (source needed for the expression "newbie hell"... I don't remember who came up with the term, but it's my new go-to expression) I might make a thread as soon as friday's merit statistics become published (i don't want to make a thread for a script that can't be used right away)... Sorry to have hijacked your thread, i'll try not to do it again |
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I think @mocacinno will be able to scraped all the newbies who ranked up to Jr. Member from yesterday to today, but he won't(at least take lot of scraping) catch up the Jr. members who demoted yesterday but ranked up again within the same day.
Another thing we can't take decisions just by trusting our gut feelings as mentioned by @mocacinno. I don't know why people so bothered about to find out those demoted users and try to make a relationship between that one merit they got assuming only from a merit abuser. Why people couldn't create any script to catch the big fishes who awarded Merits with big numbers in perticulary in ANN threads rather finding needle in a haystack. I know abuse is an abuse wether it's one or few but we are playing waiting game when it comes to the big numbers.
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I wasn't aware off this thread yesterday, but since i accidentally stumbled upon this thread today, i wanted to take the time to reply. My script CAN and WILL find all users that: - were junior members before theymos's rule change
- AND were demoted because of theymos's rule change
- AND received exactly 1 merit AFTER they were demoted in order to be promoted again
The only timestamp that's important is the exact unix timestamp on which Theymos made the code change... All other factors are unimportant. It doesn't matter if the newbie re-promotes the same day, or 3 days later... My script will filter them out. The script works on LoyceV's full merit history to filter out potential abusers, after this step, it'll make 1 request per potential abuser. Even if 2000 people are filtered out, the script should still finish in about an hour (2 seconds sleep every iteration in order not to overload bitcointalk's server). Also, i wanted to mention that i never proposed to automise a gut feeling by automising neg repping or ignoring. My script will filter out all POTENTIAL abusers and that's it (nothing more, nothing less). Since i'm pretty sure that a lot of those POTENTIAL abusers are in fact false-positives (since i'm pretty sure a lot of demoted users will have re-promoted on legitimate grounds). My proposition was to filter out potential abusers using my script, then manually verify the list and only punish those that received merits for posts that are complete garbage... If there is any doubt wether or not somebody received a merit legitimately, the user should be left alone (i'd even go as far as proposing we go trough his/her post history and see if there were other merit-worthy posts aswell). Last but not least: catching the "big fishes" (the people that sent 1 merit to loads of demoted users) is also pretty easy to do... As a matter of fact, my script already keeps a list of the senders to potential abusers. It's just a matter of counting how many times each sender's uid pops up in the senders list... I haven't implemented this yet, but this implementation would just be 3 or 4 extra lines of code... No biggie... |
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time for my inspirational quote: Please move this topic to the offtopic subforum
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--snip-- Did you see this post: Reference data for future abuse tracking: Last Friday, 6286 users had received 1 Merit. One week earlier, 6237 users had received 1 Merit. One more week back, 6190 users had received 1 Merit. That's an increase of less than 50 per week. I wouldn't be surprised if there are 500 new users with 1 Merit next Friday. I must have missed that one... The whole announcement thread evolved so fast i was bound to mis a couple good posts EDIT: apparently i did read your reply before, but for some reason i missed the part about the reference data... Like i said: the thread grew so rapidly i was bound to miss (parts of) good postsThat being said: those statistics look very interesting... Using them we'll have a basic indication of the potential size of the potential abuse (used potential twice there ) BTW: i hope you don't mind my script using the data from your merit history database? If you do mind i'll just remove the script from bitcointalk. I don't think there'll be a lot of extra load on your server, since you need at least some technical knowledge to get the script running anyways, so i don't think a lot of people will make the effort of downloading the full merit history because of my script anyways. --snip--
As far as I know, theymos disagrees with tagging users for (small) merit abuse.
Sure, but in my opnion, if we let these small merit abusers slide, we'll send out the wrong signal and in the end a lot of spammers can potentially use the loophole created by not tagging small merit abusers... I know there are two sides to this story AND there's always the potential of false positive tags... But doing nothing about people circumventing the new rule isn't a good option either (IMHO). Besides, negative tags can be removed by the tagger in case the "victim" can give a plausible explanation... |
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I am a newbie, also involved in many signature campaigns . While participating in it I also did a lot of useful work for the community to get bonuses . But after hearing about the new bitcointalk policy I was bewildered.Because many campaigns now require jr. member. I know the policy of the forum to avoid spam . In order to avoid the unprofitable components of the community, advantage of yourself, sabotage the community . But there will still be true honest hunters like me. Because really present to earn the number of merit too difficult , May the forum have new policies so that people can help the community and can receive the right of merit. How do you feel  I've looked trough the last 60 posts you've made... How can you even think you're doing usefull work for the community. You can't be serious about this claim, right??? Just take a look at the wiki, read what it says about bitcointalk: BitcoinTalk is a message board where people interested in the technical details and the development of Bitcoin software can talk to each other. The forum also has places for people who are interested in bitcoin mining, in trading with bitcoin, and in the economics of Bitcoin.
source: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BitcoinTalkNow, compare this to what you've been doing: you've created hundred upon hundreds of posts with nothing more than a list of linkedin links, tweets, facebook links,... How can you possibly say that you've participated in the forum. The only thing you've done is line the pockets of ICO scammers/spammers, overloaded bitcointalk's hardware and make usefull posts dissapear from the first page because you kept on bumping utter nonsense. Bitcointalk isn't a place where people can get "money for free", it's a place where people can learn about crypto currencies, get help with problems, get help when they want to create new and innovative projects, make friends in the cryptosphere... In my honest opinion: there is no place for people that are just here to ruin the forum with mindless "tasks". If you want to gain some merit, learn about crypto currencies, help other people, make friends on the forum, solve technical problems, discuss news items involving cryptocurrencies... If you do this, you'll earn some merit sooner or later... But if you keep posting mindless dribble, you'll probably stay a newbie forever (unless you buy merit and get both yourself and the person selling merit banned) |
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--snip-- or buying the merit --snip--
I actually wrote a script that should be useable to create a list of jr members that were demoted to newbies, then received exactly 1 merit so they became jr members again... I already posted it in Theymos's thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030366.msg45826022#msg45826022I'll have to wait untill LoyceV updates his full merit history-db again before i can run it tough... It needs recent merit data. This being said, this script will just generate a list of potential suspects, I'm pretty sure a lot of people will have received exactly 1 merit in a "legal" way, by asking people with smerit to review their posts... Eventough this doesn't seem to be the popular opinion, my personal opinion is that we have to strike the iron while it's hot and make a strong stance against anybody who is trying to cheat the new system by buying merits, exchanging merits, begging for merits, blackmailing for merits, buying copper memberships for the sole purpose of spamming,... If we stick together and systematically tag and ignore anybody caught abusing the system, it will send a strong message to anybody who's just planning on abusing the system... Hopefully leaving us with a cleaner forum. If other tools are needed, shoot me a PM and i'll see if i can quickly write something to get the job done... I can fetch and parse about any page, even behind cloudflare, or pages only accessible to logged in users. I can combine this data with about any data that's publicly available, either trough an api, a database dump, a flat text database,... If you can show me the data sources and tell me exactly which data to combine with which other data, i can probably create a script to automate the process (no guarantees tough) |
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