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2501  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: May 03, 2018, 12:21:07 AM
https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2011/06/what-is-difference-between-science-and.html?m=1


Again, only religious people feel the need to categorise atheism as a religion when the only thing that makes someone an atheist is their non-belief of a supreme entity.

There are no defined set of rules that atheists have to live by, nor specific places, people or entities they have to worship, nor things they have to believe for whatever reason, so there are none of the defining elements to make atheism a religion.

If I, an atheist, were to wake up tomorrow and decided that I now believe in the presence of a supreme entity, would that mean I now instantly have to follow a particular set of rules that I have to live my life by? If so, which religion have I instantly become to know what rules I should be following? And if my religion is suddenly dictated by which entity I believe in, what would happen if I believe in more than a single supreme entity?

My point is that you can both believe or not believe in a supreme entity and still not have a religion. It's only narrow mindedness that creates the need to categorise everyone into a religion for reasons that I purely feel are self serving.


Ok fair enough. According to your definition of religion Atheism is not a religion.

However, according to your definition of religion I am also not religious. I believe in God but am not a member of any formal religion I find both Christianity and Judaism very interesting and give deep consideration to their views but am not a member of either.

Yet in the Health and Religion thread I have been accused of being religious even a fundamentalist several times. So you are saying it is only the narrow mindedness of the Atheists in that thread that causes them to categorize me in this way? They do so for reasons that are purely self serving?

I think your definition of religion is too narrow in that it is not very useful or practical. I use a definition that is much broader and more functional.


I define religion as anything an individual structures their life around either consciously or unconsciously. Thus I consider things like Communism, Nazism (Fascist Darwinian Nationalism), and Nihilism religions if they are honestly embraced by the individual as overarching truth. I agree with BADecker that a very broad classification religion is more representative of reality.

Most people believe what they do because they were taught that way not because of an introspective search for the truth. This is true of a huge swath of humanity whether their religion is centered on God or centered on something else. It is one of our many major flaws a fundamental and deep lack of reflection.

The rise of nihilism in modern times is largely due to the fact that we are reaching the point in our development where this lack of reflection is becoming less and less of an option. Unlike in simpler times we can no longer ignore the question and blindly embrace the beliefs of our colleges and parents. We are increasingly forced to confront challenges to our views and thus actively define who we are.


Religion is still garbage, though. If religion taught morals then people wouldn't complain about slavery or rape that you can read on the bible, if those were the supreme morals then we would still have slaves and allow rape, wouldn't we?
2502  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: May 03, 2018, 12:17:40 AM

Problem is that you guys refuse to use science to analyze the possibility of God existence.  Science is clear on the subject.

You think I am arrogant and I dismiss your psychological claims to God existence. Problem is that we don't define "existence" to mean the same thing.


I do not think you are arrogant because you don't believe in God. I think you are arrogant because you insist that your non-belief is the only logical position when it clearly is not.

If you were not arrogant you would be interested in deeply exploring the logical worldview and that results from competing a priori beliefs and exploring how they map to reality. You would also be deeply interested in analyzing your own worldview and subjecting it to the same process.

I don't mean to be insulting but you did imply that I have a mental disorder and needed to be "removed from society and locked up" so I don't think you have grounds to complain.

Your own worldview starts solidly enough with "To me if an action causes harm to yourself or other living organisms (humans included) it is immoral." Yet from there you prematurely stop your reflection assuming that this solitary metaphysical claim along with science is sufficient.

A true and honest evaluation would require you to fully build out your worldview and hold it up against alternatives. If you did so you would realize that your own ethic honestly followed would lead you to also accept God because at a minimum belief that you were being observed by God would minimize deviations from your ethic in the face of temptations. Ultimately via your own value system rejecting God is immoral because it increases the probability and amount of immoral action in the world.


I am not a psychologist or psychiatrist.  I am an engineer.

What you are asking is beyond my expertise.

If you want to talk science, I'm all yours.


No that may be your profession but that is not who you are.

You are Nietzsche's bloodless scholar a puppet for the ideas you so vociferously promote.

To borrow the words of Peterson you are a performative contradiction one who claims to live by an ethical code and then does not follow that code to its logical conclusion.

What you are is a hypocrite.

Nietzsche on how to spot Hypocrites - Jordan Peterson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taF8yk7MRV8

That is rich!!! LOL

A puppet, eh?

You have no idea who I am.  I've been indoctrinated into Roman Catholic faith since my birth, was forced to study it until cows came home...

Guess what, then I turned 12 and started asking questions which no clergy could answer.

All religions are products of human imagination, desire to create a common goal, something to strive for.  They create an instant trust among followers and distrust of disbelievers.  

My logic lead me to my position, not the other way around.  Your dogmatic metaphysical 'logic' is not logic an engineer or scientist can follow.

You can kick and scream, but in the end it is you that is empty handed.  Not one tiny bit of evidence of God existence.  Not one shred.



As I said multiple times, if the christian god was the real deal and there was evidence proving it you would see muslims and other religious people turn to Christianity all the time yet it doesn't happen just like people don't suddenly stop believing in their god to believe in another one because no one is looking for proof or evidence, they were indoctrinated that way just like you coincube.
2503  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: May 01, 2018, 11:49:28 PM

Philosophy is not science and as such it is not a good field for exploring and learning about the universe.

- Philosophy often is the examination of the sciences that are way beyond what we scientifically know at present. We "feel" some of the greater and deeper science. Philosophy tries to examine it without our science, because our science is so far behind, but we want (need) answers anyway, so we philosophize.

Take care.


Cool

This is an excellent description of philosophy.

The only problem is that there is no method to confirm anything a philosopher might say, as far as I know, which means we would have to trust them and they could be wrong all the time.
2504  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: May 01, 2018, 11:48:11 PM
earth is not flat

No there are hills, mountains and valleys.

It does
not rotate 1038 miles per hour and
no 66600 mile per hour motion around the Sun also
no 483000 mile per hour motion around the Milky Way and
no, the milky way not going around the greater attractor at 1400000 mile per hour,
not happening,
get used to it.




How do you explain this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFpeM3fxJoQ
2505  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: May 01, 2018, 02:46:52 PM
I don't think that atheists are religion haters, they just dont agreea with the fact  of a supreme beeing that made everything and  that watch's allover, i think its mostly like see and believe for atheists but they do believe in God, my opinion tho, i might be wrong !!  I think most of us are atheists and we dont realize ( most of us are yeah i believe in God and im afraid ) but in these days  no one actualy is like an adept or religion

You are close. I haven't been saying it. I have been waiting for atheists to say it. Here it is. Like atheists don't have the strength to believe that God doesn't exist, even so theists don't really have the strength to believe that God exists. The difference is that God strengthens the faith of the theists so that they believe, but God denies the strength of the atheists so that they can't believe against Him. The best the atheists can do is lie and say that they are atheists.

Cool

If that were true, I wouldn't be an atheist now because I was a believer and god would have strengthened my faith in him but he didn't.
2506  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: May 01, 2018, 01:26:32 PM

But god works in mysterious ways that we should blindly trust for absolutely no reason. Science will indeed march meanwhile religion does nothing like always.
Science might march, but it never has even a hint of a chance at catching up to what religion knows instinctively.

Trust God because He has shown He is trustworthy. How has He shown this? By sending the Savior, Jesus Christ, to make a way to salvation for all who choose to believe.



''The jury is very much still out on just how well science "works" for humanity.''
That's correct, because so much of science is involved in attempting to believe that unproven things are real, while at the same time trying to believe that proven things - like God - are not real.



Oh is that right? Having a lifespan longer than 30 years old or not dying prematurely is not working for humanity? - There are many people who live way longer than science can extend life, and without science.
How about all the treatments for all kinds of diseases? - We are finding out the much of the treatment of disease is more detrimental than the disease itself... standard cancer treatment as a simple example.
How about all the technological improvements in medicine overall, we even have bionic arms, what more do you really need to say science is working for humanity? - The goal is earning money. Even though there are many people who are sympathetic, and epathize with others, the goal is earning money.
How is prayer working for humanity? - God answers. But even if He doesn't, the placebo-like effect of pray works wonders.
As I usually say, next time you are sick, pray to god, don't go to a hospital - I haven't been to a doctor or hospital for over 30 years. Rather, I have read the Bible. And look. My logic is so great that you can barely answer any of it logic for logic. Just take a little more medicine, and poison yourself the rest of the way, right?
and next time you need to travel somewhere, ask god to teleport you there, that way you will not only get there instantly but you would also prove god existence to someone that was witnessing it. - Why teleport? God is getting us where He wants us to go as the solar system moves a million miles a second through space.
Oh wait, god doesn't do such things because, I guess it would be too obvious that exists and he doesn't want that? Where are all the amputees growing arms back? Oh I guess god doesn't answer those prayers either, in fact it seems to me that he wont answer any prayers that would seem to literally have no explanation because that would be too obvious. - Since you don't believe in God, and since you won't even allow yourself to recognize that He exists through what is here, what good would it do for Him to answer you on your own terms? You still wouldn't believe in Him. Eve, in the Garden of Eden, had, from God, the promise of death if she ate the fruit. Did she believe Him? No. She went and ate the fruit anyway. And then she gave some to her husband to drag him down along with her. God isn't going to let Himself be dragged down by your willful unbelief. Believe, or die like Eve did.

Next time you are about to type something, think of how science and humanity (not god) created the computer you are writing from.

Perhaps you might remember C&E whereby God programmed the making of the computer from the Beginning when He created the world.

Cool

''If you were born in 1900, you had a pretty good chance of dying by your 50th birthday. Today, thanks to improved health and safety around the world, that would be — in many countries — a life cut short by at least a few decades.''

https://www.buzzfeed.com/kdries/12-deadly-diseases-modern-medicine-has-cured?utm_term=.sk56RXBk9#.vhb6MR2ek
http://vivacommunications.com.au/blog/five-deadly-diseases-that-modern-science-has-cured/


''God answers.'' But there is absolutely no proof of this, it wouldn't be hard to prove prayer works. There are in fact plenty of studies showing how it doesn't work.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/15/study-concludes-intercessory-prayer-doesnt-work-christians-twist-the-results/
https://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficacy_of_prayer


''I haven't been to a doctor or hospital for over 30 years.'' LOL

''Since you don't believe in God, and since you won't even allow yourself to recognize that He exists through what is here'' Fallacy since I was already a believer.
2507  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: May 01, 2018, 01:18:57 PM
This is "The Eagle" lunar lander, some identifiable pieces it's made from include aluminum foil, tar paper, sticky tape, curtain rods and BMX bicycle parts:







NASA claims astronauts traveled to the Moon in that pile of garbage and took the following image of a globe Earth:







Meme related:



Keep ignoring proof that a 5 year old would understand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFpeM3fxJoQ

You can do that by yourself, you just need a camera.
2508  Other / Meta / Re: yall brothers need to chill with this merit bullshit on: May 01, 2018, 01:59:32 AM
nola an dI'm only here to learn about this bitcoin for drugs on the dark web.  This forum is a real hellhole iwth a lot of rude assholes though that think they are superior to everyone.

What are you talking about, are you drunk? 

''From my Projections, it looks like the mtc marketcap will be over 900million this time next year.''

That's one of your posts, did you have to learn about ICO's and all the other cryptocurrencies to buy drugs?
2509  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: May 01, 2018, 01:57:11 AM
Flat earth and god.

Two of the biggest lies.





All the photographs of a globe Earth are fake i.e. a lie, that being the case you should go climb in an oven and be mindful not to let the door hit your ass on the way in.







All the photographs of a globe earth are true, that being said you should go climb a mountain and jump. See how easy it is to make claims?
2510  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: May 01, 2018, 01:56:33 AM
^^^ I'm clearly saying the Earth is not in motion, you can't feel the motion because it's not moving! Why do you put words in my mouth you piece of shit?

Also Airy's Failure experiment provides empirical proof the stars are in motion and the Earth is motionless.

And a simple video proves they are moving https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFpeM3fxJoQ

Unless you are saying all the amateur videos on youtube of stars are also fake or that somehow the dome is rotating to make it look like the earth is in motion? LUL
2511  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: May 01, 2018, 01:55:18 AM

Alfie Evans’ Death Illustrates The Monstrous Logic Of The Welfare State

It wasn't in the 'best interests' of Alfie Evans to die. It was in the best interests of the British welfare state to demonstrate its power.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/30/alfie-evans-death-illustrates-monstrous-logic-welfare-state/
Quote from: John Daniel Davidson
Alfie Evans is dead. The 23-month-old boy died Saturday morning at Alder Hey Children’s Hospital in Liverpool, England, five days after his life support was removed on orders from the United Kingdom’s High Court. There is no other way to understand the boy’s death than to say that the government of the United Kingdom decided he must die—against the wishes of his parents and against the pleas of the Vatican, the governments of Italy and Poland, and countless supporters throughout the world.

Together with the death of Charlie Gard last year, whom British authorities would not allow to be taken to the United States for an experimental treatment, Evans’ death seems to confirm British policy in such matters: children belong to the state, and when the state decides that they should die, they will die.

Extraordinary international efforts were undertaken to save the boy’s life. Italy, which granted Evans citizenship, kept a specially equipped plane from the Italian defense ministry on standby to transport the boy to a Vatican hospital in case the U.K. courts ordered his release. Pope Francis issued a personal appeal to British authorities and met with the parents. None of it made any difference in the end.

Given the facts of the case, it is hard to see what purpose was served by Evans’ death other than to demonstrate, before a gaping world, the unquestioned power of the United Kingdom over its subjects.

‘The Object Of Power Is Power’

In that way, the boy’s death illustrates, in horrifying detail, the cold logic of the mature welfare state. The purpose of the welfare state is to exercise power over its subjects—and make no mistake, they are subjects, not citizens—and that’s it. Nothing more and nothing less.

That power is not exercised for anyone’s good, or for the good of the people at large, or even for some collective goal. It is exercised for its own sake. “Power is not a means; it is an end,” says O’Brien, the party official in George Orwell’s “1984,” as he tortures Winston. “One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”

Of course, no government, not even a brutal dictatorship like the North Korean regime (or the fictional regime of Oceania in “1984”), would ever come out and publicly admit that its entire raison d’être is to exercise unchecked power over its subjects. Such governments always justify their exercise of power in positive terms: security and safety, victory over a common enemy, economic prosperity, health and well-being.

Health and well-being are especially potent justifications for the welfare state’s use of power because they’re directly connected to the larger justification of the regime: welfare. The state wants you to be healthy, so it will set up a national health service. The state wants what is good for you, so it will compel you to participate in the national health service. The state is looking out for your best interests, even if you are not, so it will empower the national health service to make decisions for you and your children, against your will, if necessary.

Sometimes, in extreme cases, the national health service will decide that what is in your best interests is to die.

From Alfie Evans to Involuntary Euthanasia

Obviously, this makes no sense. But the brazen illogic of the state insisting that it is in your own best interests if you cease to exist serves the overarching logic of the welfare state, which is power. When the national health service decides, for instance, that your sick child must be allowed to die because it is in the child’s best interests, what it really means—but is not quite willing to say outright—is that is in the best interests of the state that your child be allowed to die.

We do not have to speculate about this because it has been happening for some time in Europe, where in some countries euthanasia is commonplace. In Belgium and Holland, the elderly and infirm are sometimes killed without their consent. Children as young as twelve can be euthanized in Holland, with parental consent. In Belgium, children of any age can be euthanized if they are terminally ill.

The most outlandish rationalizations are put forward for these killings. Holland allows euthanasia for those who are neither terminally or mentally ill but are merely “tired of life.” Some patients need not even give consent before they are killed. One study found that in Belgium, nearly a third of all euthanasia deaths occurred without the patient’s request or consent. Most of those euthanized were comatose, but in 8 percent of those cases the physicians said “discussing it with the patient would have been harmful to that patient.”

Any state that asserts such a nonsensical justification for euthanasia or denial of medical care will, in time, be free to apply it to any class of people it chooses—not just the elderly and infirm but also the disabled and the sick, the addicted and mentally ill, perhaps even the poor and destitute.

All of this can be done for what sound like reasonable, even compassionate motivations, like relieving a person of unbearable and incurable suffering—even if the suffering is only mental or psychological, as was the case with a perfectly healthy 29-year-old Dutch woman who earlier this year requested to be killed and was obliged by state doctors.

But of course when it comes to life and death, reasonable and compassionate motives are beyond the ken of physicians and bureaucrats and high courts. As C.S. Lewis wrote in a 1958 essay entitled, “Willing Slaves of the Welfare State,” specialists in power are acting outside their area of expertise: “Let scientists tell us about sciences. But government involves questions about the good for man, and justice, and what things are worth having at what price; and on these a scientific training gives a man’s opinion no added value. Let the doctor tell me I shall die unless I do so-and-so; but whether life is worth having on those terms is no more a question for him than for any other man.”



Why did God not intervene?  Why did God abandoned Alfie?  Why did God allow Alfie to have this degenerative brain condition?

I tell you why not?  Because your God does not exist!!!  That is why.

This should be your exhibit A. 

But god works in mysterious ways that we should blindly trust for absolutely no reason. Science will indeed march meanwhile religion does nothing like always.

''The jury is very much still out on just how well science "works" for humanity.''

Oh is that right? Having a lifespan longer than 30 years old or not dying prematurely is not working for humanity? How about all the treatments for all kinds of diseases? How about all the technological improvements in medicine overall, we even have bionic arms, what more do you really need to say science is working for humanity? How is prayer working for humanity? As I usually say, next time you are sick, pray to god, don't go to a hospital and next time you need to travel somewhere, ask god to teleport you there, that way you will not only get there instantly but you would also prove god existence to someone that was witnessing it. Oh wait, god doesn't do such things because, I guess it would be too obvious that exists and he doesn't want that? Where are all the amputees growing arms back? Oh I guess god doesn't answer those prayers either, in fact it seems to me that he wont answer any prayers that would seem to literally have no explanation because that would be too obvious.

Next time you are about to type something, think of how science and humanity (not god) created the computer you are writing from.
2512  Other / Off-topic / Re: Transgenders. on: May 01, 2018, 01:48:11 AM
chopping your own dick should be considered a mental illness because it is, there is a name for it.

That's exactly what these people do, right? They undergo sex-change operations and chop off their dicks. Such transgenders are called post-op trannies. Some others never undergo this procedure and they are called as pre-op trannies. Still having doubt that these people don't suffer from mental illness?

I'm not sure. The problem is that the masses are applying so much pressure onto doctors and specialists in mental illness to not say that transgender-ism is a mental illness that I don't know what to think.
2513  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: April 29, 2018, 11:04:36 PM
^^^ Claims I can't feel four and a half ounces, just fuck off with your bullshit.



edit:

All new phones have an accelerometer, tape it to a merry-go-round and spin it until it reads .02 m/s^2. Do you feel it, do you feel the motion?








edit_2:

The sixth sense is equilibrioception or the Sense of balance. This sixth sense can be used to determine if the Earth is in motion.

Ask your average person about man's sixth sense and you'll likely get some kind of retarded response about psychic powers and how they don't believe in that kind of thing. We can thank Jewish mysticism and Hollywood propaganda for this confusion, they love muddying the waters, moving goalposts and redefining the meaning of words.

For example Google returns the following image when "equilibrioception" is input.



Do you feel it? Are you saying you feel earth's rotation? It's so easy to prove you wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFpeM3fxJoQ

Any timelapse video of stars will prove the earth is rotating lmao, you are helpless.
2514  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: April 29, 2018, 04:36:45 PM
We already have a scientific method that allows us to discover objective truths.

Indeed the scientific method is a wonderful thing. What you fail to appreciate, however, is that the scientific method also rests upon unprovable assumptions.

Its discoveries are not objective truth but conditional truth and dependent on the fundamental a priori assumptions of science.

What are these assumptions? I highlighted several of them in a recent post.


Metaphysical Foundation of Science:
 
✧ The external world is real and knowable.
✧ Nature itself is not divine. It is an object worthy of study, not worship.
✧ The universe is orderly. There is uniformity in nature that allows us to observe past phenomena and to understand and predict future occurrences.
✧ Our minds and senses are capable of accurately observing and understanding the world.

These assumed truths are so deeply ingrained in us now we have difficulty even recognizing them as assumptions but they are necessary for science to exist.

If you don't believe the assumptions science becomes impossible for you. The progress and maintenance of scientific achievement requires that these assumptions be accepted and propagated at least by an educated elite.

The same situation applies to the apriori Truth of God which rests at the foundation of western culture. Undermine the assumption and the whole society starts to wobble.

This is what Nietzsche foresaw when he announced "God is dead" in 1882. Nietzsche predicted drastic consequences as a result. He predicted millions would die in the 20th century in wars of extremist ideologies. Peterson describes these ideologies as parasites that act on a damaged religious substructure.

Nietzsche also predicted that it would not be until the 21st century that we would be forced to acknowledge the crisis of nihilism. These predictions given in 1882 are an intellectual tour de force.

Believing blindly without contemplation still works for some but that blanket of protection is gradually being pulled away. Going forward it will increasingly be necessary to fully define oneself down to your core metaphysical truths. Unless you can look into the abyss of nihilism and reject it with certainty the abyss will sooner or later pull you in.


The rest of your comments indicate to me that you simply do not follow my arguments so I see little point in proceeding much further.

I challenge your position as ultimately illogical and untrue. You have leveled the same charge at me. I have laid out my logic and reasoning for you in some detail and you have forcefully stated your beliefs.

At this point we will have to let the readers of this thread decide for themselves.
 

Science works, your metaphysical bullshit pseudo science doesn't. Science keeps bringing results meanwhile religion does nothing. Ok, sometimes they try to disrupt science like with stem cells.
2515  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: April 29, 2018, 04:33:54 PM
if the earth is flat then where is the tip? we just need logic  Roll Eyes
Logic?
* Moon is strong enough to make tides but clouds and rain no worries
* Mathematics for every mile in length the curve is 8 inch squared (100km 870 meter, 1km 8.7cm, 100 m 87mm) can you show some practical evidence
* 1000 miles per hour rotation and you feel nothing
* Have you heard of 2nd law of thermodynamic, look it up
* Transmitting over such long distances would require billion of billions of watts, what with solar panels
* Two coastal cities 2 hour flight apart manage to have massive temperature differences with the sun 93 million miles away
* .....can fill the page
Did you sell your logic?

Not sure if you are a troll but here we go:

1. Newton's theory of gravity provided the first correct explanation of ocean tides and their long known correlation with the phases of the moon. Roughly a century later it was also used to predict the existence of atmospheric tides. the density of the clouds can be considered to be (but not in fact) the same as that of the air in which they ride. In this case one could consider a cloud to be simply an opaque section of air. The Moon does affect the air and along with the air the clouds are likewise affected.

2. I can show you plenty of photos of earth

3. Think about riding in a car or flying in a plane. As long as the ride is going smoothly, you can almost convince yourself you’re not moving. A jumbo jet flies at about 500 miles per hour (about 800 km per hour), or about half as fast as the Earth spins at its equator. But, while you’re riding on that jet, if you close your eyes, you don’t feel like you’re moving at all. And when the flight attendant comes by and pours coffee into your cup, the coffee doesn’t fly to the back of the plane. That’s because the coffee, the cup and you are all moving at the same rate as the plane.

4. You should be the one looking it up

5. What distances?

6. And a close sun would explain that better because?

Did you sell your brain?





An object traveling on a linear path with a constant velocity experiences no acceleration. In contrast a rotating object with a constant angular velocity experiences constant acceleration.

How do you rectify this you fucking shill? You give as an example a jet traveling on a linear path at a constant velocity with no acceleration as your example of why you can't feel any acceleration on an object you claim is rotating thus experiencing acceleration.

I know your answer is going something about the magic force of gravity (an unproven theory) but I just like to show what absolute nonsense your arguments for the globe are.

Traveling in any path besides a straight line at a constant velocity does indeed require some type of acceleration. The Earth is always accelerating as it bends its way around the sun.  This is because the Sun is always exerting a gravitational force on the Earth. Due to the eccentricity of the orbit, we're going slightly faster when we are closer to the Sun (in January) than we are when we are further away (in July).  So there is a slight change in speed. The problem is that it's too small. The acceleration of the spinning earth away from your feet is, at the equator, about .02 m/s^2. It's swamped by the gravity, about 9.8 m/s^2. You don't feel a difference like that, though it shows up on a bathroom scale.

You can certainly see it moving at least compared to stars and planets like in this beautiful video: https://youtu.be/x2D7jHfitzk?t=29s


So the scale next to my shitter can feel it but I can't?





Nice troll response when you have no argument.

My argument is that anybody could feel it if the Earth was undergoing constant acceleration not just the washroom scale; the Earth is not in motion.

The blasphemy or meme if you will reflects the weight of your argument.

Then prove it, I already gave you the calculations and why we can't really feel it, the acceleration is way too small to feel it. If your claim is that we should feel it, feel free to prove it, bring on your calculations dumbass.

A 62 kilogram person would experience a 1.24 Newtons of force due to an acceleration of .02 m/s^2 that's 130 grams or 4.5 ounces.

So you claim I can't feel four and a half ounces?



Have an ounce of bud.



Do you feel it? I don't. As for the scale troll response. Accurate weighing scales have to be calibrated according to the latitude where they will be used. As I recall the apparent weigh of an object is 0.3% less at the equator due to the earths rotation. Not enough for us to feel it.

https://www.shimadzu.com/an/balance/support/hiroba/bean/bean06.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E%C3%B6tv%C3%B6s_effect

Keep believing in retarded shit.
2516  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: April 29, 2018, 11:44:20 AM
Just because our universe is incomplete (not all truths can be proven mathematically)... is not a proof of God.  I think people jump the gun on the incompleteness theorem.

Same argument as because the universe was created, and we don't know how and why it was created, there must be something out there that created it.

You are projecting your desires (of filling in the gaps in knowledge) on the outcome of your deduction.  Don't feel bad, Newton did it, and many other smart people after him.  Still the reasoning is wrong, regardless of who proclaims it.

I agree with you on the fundamentalism.  You don't need religion for that.
 

I never claimed to prove God. The incompleteness theorem which is part #1 of my Empiric Argument for God is not proof of God.

Instead it is proof that there are things in this universe that can never be proven yet are true. From this fact we must conclude that our inability to prove a truth is not by itself sufficient grounds not accept it. Ultimately all knowledge traces back to assumed axioms.

How then do we determine if an unprovable axiom is true?
Is God such an axiom True yet unprovable?

To answer these questions we must develop a coherent theory of truth. That is part #2 of my argument.

I don't claim to have a proof of God. Personally I think that is impossible. What I have shown is that it is logical to believe in God even if we cannot now or ever prove his existence.

You state that I am projecting my desires (filling in the gaps in my knowledge) with the outcome of my deduction. To this charge I will give an honest answer.

That is a logical conclusion to draw only IF one adopts an entirely different worldview then I and ASSUME other "truths".

For no matter what worldview you use to launch your critique you are guilty of the same projection. At the bottom of your worldview whatever that may be lies at least one and possibly many "truths" that at best cannot be proven and at worst are false and self-contradictory.

Faith cannot be avoided. We can deny we have it and pretend it does not exist but only at the cost of deluding ourselves. In the worst case situation we are not even consciously aware of our a priori truths. Then we are blind to our own beliefs.

At the end of the day we choose who we are.

Again with this shit? You and the guy who wrote the article are using the incompleteness theorem wrong. I already discussed this with you, you can't apply the theorem to anything you like. There is even a book written specifically talking about how people are applying the theorem in the wrong ways.

''Real world situations usually display an amazing degree of complexity, unlike basic statements of arithmetic.

Unfortunately, most attempts to extend Gödel's theorems outside of math end up mired in these types of problems. Because these theorems were developed particular to say something about number theory (more broadly, formal systems)''

''Instead it is proof that there are things in this universe that can never be proven yet are true'' It is not proof of that either.
2517  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: April 29, 2018, 11:34:30 AM
if the earth is flat then where is the tip? we just need logic  Roll Eyes
Logic?
* Moon is strong enough to make tides but clouds and rain no worries
* Mathematics for every mile in length the curve is 8 inch squared (100km 870 meter, 1km 8.7cm, 100 m 87mm) can you show some practical evidence
* 1000 miles per hour rotation and you feel nothing
* Have you heard of 2nd law of thermodynamic, look it up
* Transmitting over such long distances would require billion of billions of watts, what with solar panels
* Two coastal cities 2 hour flight apart manage to have massive temperature differences with the sun 93 million miles away
* .....can fill the page
Did you sell your logic?

Not sure if you are a troll but here we go:

1. Newton's theory of gravity provided the first correct explanation of ocean tides and their long known correlation with the phases of the moon. Roughly a century later it was also used to predict the existence of atmospheric tides. the density of the clouds can be considered to be (but not in fact) the same as that of the air in which they ride. In this case one could consider a cloud to be simply an opaque section of air. The Moon does affect the air and along with the air the clouds are likewise affected.

2. I can show you plenty of photos of earth

3. Think about riding in a car or flying in a plane. As long as the ride is going smoothly, you can almost convince yourself you’re not moving. A jumbo jet flies at about 500 miles per hour (about 800 km per hour), or about half as fast as the Earth spins at its equator. But, while you’re riding on that jet, if you close your eyes, you don’t feel like you’re moving at all. And when the flight attendant comes by and pours coffee into your cup, the coffee doesn’t fly to the back of the plane. That’s because the coffee, the cup and you are all moving at the same rate as the plane.

4. You should be the one looking it up

5. What distances?

6. And a close sun would explain that better because?

Did you sell your brain?





An object traveling on a linear path with a constant velocity experiences no acceleration. In contrast a rotating object with a constant angular velocity experiences constant acceleration.

How do you rectify this you fucking shill? You give as an example a jet traveling on a linear path at a constant velocity with no acceleration as your example of why you can't feel any acceleration on an object you claim is rotating thus experiencing acceleration.

I know your answer is going something about the magic force of gravity (an unproven theory) but I just like to show what absolute nonsense your arguments for the globe are.

Traveling in any path besides a straight line at a constant velocity does indeed require some type of acceleration. The Earth is always accelerating as it bends its way around the sun.  This is because the Sun is always exerting a gravitational force on the Earth. Due to the eccentricity of the orbit, we're going slightly faster when we are closer to the Sun (in January) than we are when we are further away (in July).  So there is a slight change in speed. The problem is that it's too small. The acceleration of the spinning earth away from your feet is, at the equator, about .02 m/s^2. It's swamped by the gravity, about 9.8 m/s^2. You don't feel a difference like that, though it shows up on a bathroom scale.

You can certainly see it moving at least compared to stars and planets like in this beautiful video: https://youtu.be/x2D7jHfitzk?t=29s


So the scale next to my shitter can feel it but I can't?





Nice troll response when you have no argument.

My argument is that anybody could feel it if the Earth was undergoing constant acceleration not just the washroom scale; the Earth is not in motion.

The blasphemy or meme if you will reflects the weight of your argument.

Then prove it, I already gave you the calculations and why we can't really feel it, the acceleration is way too small to feel it. If your claim is that we should feel it, feel free to prove it, bring on your calculations dumbass.
2518  Other / Off-topic / Re: Transgenders. on: April 29, 2018, 11:32:50 AM
To be honest it's not a bad thing that transgenders do want they want though , it's not a bad habit or bad example to some children

to be honest they want to express them selves by taking a lot of surgeries , they wanted to be free , i think we should just accept them the way they we're. 

You want the society to accept these people. But tell me whether it is beneficial for anyone, to act as if trans-genderism is a normal phenomenon. In my opinion, it is a serious medical and mental condition, that requires treatment. Normalizing it may be more detrimental than beneficial.

Are you specialized in mental illness? Otherwise your opinion on them is quite meaningless. There is obviously some problems with it, chopping your own dick should be considered a mental illness because it is, there is a name for it.
2519  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: April 29, 2018, 12:48:57 AM
if the earth is flat then where is the tip? we just need logic  Roll Eyes
Logic?
* Moon is strong enough to make tides but clouds and rain no worries
* Mathematics for every mile in length the curve is 8 inch squared (100km 870 meter, 1km 8.7cm, 100 m 87mm) can you show some practical evidence
* 1000 miles per hour rotation and you feel nothing
* Have you heard of 2nd law of thermodynamic, look it up
* Transmitting over such long distances would require billion of billions of watts, what with solar panels
* Two coastal cities 2 hour flight apart manage to have massive temperature differences with the sun 93 million miles away
* .....can fill the page
Did you sell your logic?

Not sure if you are a troll but here we go:

1. Newton's theory of gravity provided the first correct explanation of ocean tides and their long known correlation with the phases of the moon. Roughly a century later it was also used to predict the existence of atmospheric tides. the density of the clouds can be considered to be (but not in fact) the same as that of the air in which they ride. In this case one could consider a cloud to be simply an opaque section of air. The Moon does affect the air and along with the air the clouds are likewise affected.

2. I can show you plenty of photos of earth

3. Think about riding in a car or flying in a plane. As long as the ride is going smoothly, you can almost convince yourself you’re not moving. A jumbo jet flies at about 500 miles per hour (about 800 km per hour), or about half as fast as the Earth spins at its equator. But, while you’re riding on that jet, if you close your eyes, you don’t feel like you’re moving at all. And when the flight attendant comes by and pours coffee into your cup, the coffee doesn’t fly to the back of the plane. That’s because the coffee, the cup and you are all moving at the same rate as the plane.

4. You should be the one looking it up

5. What distances?

6. And a close sun would explain that better because?

Did you sell your brain?





An object traveling on a linear path with a constant velocity experiences no acceleration. In contrast a rotating object with a constant angular velocity experiences constant acceleration.

How do you rectify this you fucking shill? You give as an example a jet traveling on a linear path at a constant velocity with no acceleration as your example of why you can't feel any acceleration on an object you claim is rotating thus experiencing acceleration.

I know your answer is going something about the magic force of gravity (an unproven theory) but I just like to show what absolute nonsense your arguments for the globe are.

Traveling in any path besides a straight line at a constant velocity does indeed require some type of acceleration. The Earth is always accelerating as it bends its way around the sun.  This is because the Sun is always exerting a gravitational force on the Earth. Due to the eccentricity of the orbit, we're going slightly faster when we are closer to the Sun (in January) than we are when we are further away (in July).  So there is a slight change in speed. The problem is that it's too small. The acceleration of the spinning earth away from your feet is, at the equator, about .02 m/s^2. It's swamped by the gravity, about 9.8 m/s^2. You don't feel a difference like that, though it shows up on a bathroom scale.

You can certainly see it moving at least compared to stars and planets like in this beautiful video: https://youtu.be/x2D7jHfitzk?t=29s


So the scale next to my shitter can feel it but I can't?





Nice troll response when you have no argument.
2520  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: April 28, 2018, 05:59:31 PM
Many times i've got problems because of religion to be honest. Maybe i'm unlucky but everytime i'm trying to go in church something bad happening to me.

The devil doesn't want you to go to church and be saved, so he just might be making trouble for you so that you think that religion is doing it.

Cool

Talk about free will, eh? The devil can do things to you all the time to prevent you from believing in god but god himself cannot reveal himself to everyone convincingly so you wont need to believe in him because he likes to play games with the devil. Give me a break with your 10 year old stories.

My stories are a lot older than 10 years old. And you, obviously, don't understand the role the devil has [played in our lives. Besides, God isn't going to force revelation on those who don't want Him to be revealed to them... not yet, anyway.

Cool

But he will let the devil, forcefully convince people to do bad things. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Only if the people freely want that force against themselves, a thing which you seem to want for yourself.

Cool

As I said, god would have no problem in revealing himself to people then because people would still have the choice to believe in him or not but instead he does not reveal to people and leaves satan to corrupt human minds.

And that is precisely what God is doing. God is revealing Himself to you through the things that I show you. After all, He is god. He isn't required to reveal Himself to you in the ways that you want. It seems that your choice is to not accept His revelations of Himself to you.

Cool

God chose to reveal himself to me through a random person on a bitcoin forum that I consider delusional. Great job god...

It's a shame that you won't accept His other revelations, but now you are finally seeing the proof that God exists, through someone on a forum. However, it doesn't seem that you accept proof, forum or otherwise.

Cool

As I said many times, there are no other revelations. I asked him for proof when I was a believer and I got none, I didn't have anything to accept at that point, I just had doubts but he didn't help me at all. 2 options are then presented, 1. God doesn't care about me which contradicts how the bible defines god or 2. He doesn't exist.

The whole Bible was a big revelation from God to you. The miracle of nature is another. I, in this forum, am another. Since you don't want to believe the revelations He offers, He isn't going to allow you the privilege of twisting Him out of perfection, so that He does the revelation thing your way. Why not? Because you still wouldn't believe Him, even if He did it your way.

If you don't believe Him, will you even be convinced while you are burning in Hell? Who knows? You will find out. But by then it will be too late to do anything about it. Change now while you still have time.

Cool

You keep repeating yourself, I was a believer, his ''revelations'' worked at first but only because I was indoctrinated that way. When I had doubts and asked for help he didn't, otherwise I wouldn't be here telling you how I don't believe in god. I absolutely wanted to believe in him at the time even when I had my doubts, why wouldn't I? A god like that would be a good thing, unfortunately as I said, he didn't help me with my doubts. There is nothing to change, I can't force myself into believing in something. God doesn't exist.

That's too bad. Well, was nice chatting with you for a while. We coulda had a great time through all eternity. But... your choice.

Cool

Well it isn't my choice at all. I wanted to pick god as my choice, I simply couldn't because the lack of evidence, if he didn't want to help me then, is it really my fault that I'm using the reasoning and intelligence that he gave me? Am I really a bad person for not believing in god, why is belief important. A god would certainly not need for me or you to believe in him and would judge us by our actions, not beliefs. Good people should be rewarded with life in heaven, not believers.
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