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2521  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: April 15, 2016, 12:19:14 AM
If the Bitcoin will conquer the world as expected, so i think paper money will disappear as most people will use bitcoin instead of it.

Bitcoin needs to become price stable before it does any conquering of anything.

or it just needs to be legalized 1st lol.

whatever the price goes up or down, it still needs to be accepted everywhere in the law in every state in the US 1st.. for it to even have a chance.

No government agency is forbidding it, so it is already legal. The problem is merchants aren't adopting it because it's not compelling. It can't hold a steady value which makes it useless as a currency.
2522  Economy / Economics / Re: Long term OIL on: April 14, 2016, 10:07:20 PM
Again, you're not talking about the same thing as me, or you're not understanding what I'm saying. When they make a projection on when oil will run out, it's based on usually three key pieces of information: proven oil reserves, rate of consumption, and expected change in consumption rate based on the current trend line. Then there are many lesser factors that might be considered, like speculation on finding new reserves or changes in technology that allow greater access to difficult to access oil. The projection is just a number based on the three main pierces of information that let us estimate how long our oil supply will last. If that number happens to be 100 years, they're not claiming to be projecting what the oil situation will be in 100 years, they're simply saying that oil will last 100 years if nothing changes.

Then it is not even a prediction, just idle talk at taxpayer's expense

1) it doesn't have to be taxpayer's expense. There are plenty of think tanks and public policy groups, not to mention corporations and university economics programs, all publishing these studies.
2) projections are not "idle talk."
3) you're still displaying a non-understanding of what a projection is by saying that "well-founded projections and calculated assumptions" are fine, but projections are "idle talk" at the same time. The methodology is largely the same for projections, so you're arguing both for and against it at the same time. Either you don't realize this, or you need to explain your point better so it's not a steady stream of contradictions.
2523  Economy / Economics / Re: European Banks Crash For 4th Straight Week on: April 14, 2016, 10:00:50 PM
Well banks need to readjust their loans and their portfolio,and well big account need to take care as from any moment they can close the doors,but these happens on the countries facing financial problems first,Greece were an example for the people to learn how the system works against them.

exactly like you have wrote Greece were an example for the people to learn how the system works against them.

I think that what thay did was similar to that what was done in 1932 ,destroy american silver dollar and in fact launching fiat,Any crisis something new added to that sytem

1932 that year Hitler become Germany chancellor

I don't follow. What is your link between the banking system and Hitler coming to power?
2524  Economy / Economics / Re: Long term OIL on: April 14, 2016, 06:15:07 PM
40-50 years is by far on the short side of estimates. Most estimates have us around 100 years still.

These so called "estimates" are not worth a shit

Yeah, it's probably better to pretend oil is infinite instead of trying to project how long oil could possibly last based on the information available.  Roll Eyes

Such projections simply don't make much sense, since within a hundred years a multitude of events will certainly happen that will render these predictions (the proper name) utterly useless and pointless...

Look at what happened during the last one hundred years (to get a clue, lol)

They make sense in that it's the best we can estimate given everything we know, and it would be foolish to not make projections just because they can't be 100% accurate. Oil is too vital to the world economy and energy needs to live in complete ignorance, which is what not making projections would be. No one is claiming 100% accuracy. When new information becomes available (such as a new reserve located or a change in the global consumption rate) the projections are updated. The projections are immensely useful because this knowledge directly impacts where investment goes (into searching for more oil, extracting already proven reserves, or developing alternative energy sources). Not making the projections is utterly idiotic.

No one is talking about avoiding making well-founded projections and calculated assumptions altogether, but projections for a hundred years ahead are flat-out fishy and sound quite phony...

Like the Soviets promising a brighter future, wtf

Again, you're not talking about the same thing as me, or you're not understanding what I'm saying. When they make a projection on when oil will run out, it's based on usually three key pieces of information: proven oil reserves, rate of consumption, and expected change in consumption rate based on the current trend line. Then there are many lesser factors that might be considered, like speculation on finding new reserves or changes in technology that allow greater access to difficult to access oil. The projection is just a number based on the three main pierces of information that let us estimate how long our oil supply will last. If that number happens to be 100 years, they're not claiming to be projecting what the oil situation will be in 100 years, they're simply saying that oil will last 100 years if nothing changes.

Things always change, but this is the best we can reasonably do, and it's necessary information to know, because the difference between oil lasting 100 years and oil lasting 20 years is a tremendous difference that will vastly reshape global priorities.
2525  Economy / Economics / Re: Long term OIL on: April 14, 2016, 06:09:02 PM
The oil price rebounded from 28 to 38 in just a matter of 2/3 weeks. I do see that Russia and OPEC are increasing their production which means the price can go down again.
Therefore i am not buying atm.

The rebound happened because at $28 a barrel, the crude was too much under-priced. It was not a result of increase in demand or a reduction in supplies. And from where did you get the data regarding Russia and OPEC? According to February 2016 data, the Russian production is stable, and the data for March is not available yet.

Underpriced how? If supply isn't decreasing and demand isn't increasing, the price shouldn't change.
2526  Economy / Economics / Re: Why the banks dont give free money? Why they loan it? on: April 14, 2016, 06:05:08 PM
Why should the bank give you free money? Nothing is free so you will have to loan it. Banks loan out their money because you will have to pay more money then what you lend from the bank.

For example, if im a government and i want to build a railroad, why i need a loan from central bank? I can print my own money without loan, without interest and build the railroad.

Tell that to Germany in the 1920s. They thought they could just print all the money they wanted to pay off all their debts and it lead to hyperinflation. The more money you print for no reason, the less it's worth. That's the problem with your concept of "free money for everyone." If you just print money for no reason - if the money isn't linked to any actual value that has been created - then it is worthless. Money has value because it represents something that already exists that has value.

Not just Germany, countries all over the world suffer from inflation. You have cases of hyperinflation popping up now and then.
Apart from Germany, Zimbabwe is a good example. Leaders can easily destroy countries by their recklessness.

Yes of course, Germany is just my go to example because people don't generally equate hyperinflation with the western world. I actually bought a 100 trillion dollar Zimbabwe note on eBay as a novelty. The currency had more value for westerners who thought it was cool than t did for anyone trying to use it as a currency.
2527  Economy / Economics / Re: Is the number of available bitcoins decreasing? on: April 14, 2016, 05:54:49 PM
I think the OP is pointing out that some people misplace their private keys and so those bitcoins are lost and can never be accessed again.  Those are lost or zombie bitcoins and that total will increase.  So the question is whether the lost/zombie bitcoins are growing faster than the mined bitcoins.

Yes, that is what OP is talking about, but no, this is not going to be a credible concern in the next (at least) 30 years.
2528  Economy / Economics / Re: Is the number of available bitcoins decreasing? on: April 14, 2016, 02:51:52 PM
As far as I know the maximum bitcoin will not increase. There is just a number to be maxed out and will stop there. And I think it will take long to fully drain it all and bitcoin halving will happen so it will be much longer.

It's also possible (I would even call it likely) that in the future, Bitcoin's economics prove unsustainable as transaction fees required to propagate the network would become so high to keep miners around in the face of declining block rewards that the 21 million coin cap is eventually scrapped. That is, of course, assuming Bitcoin stays viable long enough to reach that point.
2529  Economy / Economics / Re: Will the world Economy Collapse this year? on: April 14, 2016, 02:45:48 PM
Iīve heard about those ghost cities but didnīt realize that it could be this massive..25% of housing empty? That is truly staggering. How about the financing? Is that through some ghost banks? I canīt imagine that itīll end well. The regime will do anything to stay in power, especially in the interests of the self-preservation of the party bosses.  Itīs going to be very interesting next couple of years.



I'm not overly familiar with how banking in China works except it's heavily dictated by the communist party which isn't good at all. Other than that, I just know what is reported which is that China is pumping massive amounts of money into the stock market to inflate asset prices, and has all kinds of programs encouraging regular citizens to invest in the market at these inflated prices too. When that crashes, it will crash hard and wipe out a significant amount of wealth from China's middle class. I don't think it's a perfect analogy, but it would be similar to the US government enticing people to buy into the stock market in the 1920s, far beyond what was already happening naturally, and then at the same time also actively manipulating the market to send stock prices even higher. By the time that gravy train ended in 1929, it would have made the Great Depression one hell of a lot worse than it was, because in addition to all that wealth disappearing, all that artificial wealth the government tried to create would have disappeared too, and that would have made the hole to dig out of that much deeper. That's where I view China today.
2530  Economy / Economics / Re: Why the banks dont give free money? Why they loan it? on: April 13, 2016, 09:26:11 PM
Why should the bank give you free money? Nothing is free so you will have to loan it. Banks loan out their money because you will have to pay more money then what you lend from the bank.

For example, if im a government and i want to build a railroad, why i need a loan from central bank? I can print my own money without loan, without interest and build the railroad.

Tell that to Germany in the 1920s. They thought they could just print all the money they wanted to pay off all their debts and it lead to hyperinflation. The more money you print for no reason, the less it's worth. That's the problem with your concept of "free money for everyone." If you just print money for no reason - if the money isn't linked to any actual value that has been created - then it is worthless. Money has value because it represents something that already exists that has value.
2531  Economy / Economics / Re: Long term OIL on: April 13, 2016, 09:17:51 PM
Oil is not only for cars, it's also for plastics, cooking and other things that we use in everyday. Even though we replace petrol engine cars, it doesn't make the price decrease significantly because there are still other ways that we use for oil.

I would think it's pretty safe to say that automobile and transportation use dwarfs all other uses of oil.
2532  Economy / Economics / Re: Long term OIL on: April 13, 2016, 09:15:43 PM
40-50 years is by far on the short side of estimates. Most estimates have us around 100 years still.

These so called "estimates" are not worth a shit

Yeah, it's probably better to pretend oil is infinite instead of trying to project how long oil could possibly last based on the information available.  Roll Eyes

Such projections simply don't make much sense, since within a hundred years a multitude of events will certainly happen that will render these predictions (the proper name) utterly useless and pointless...

Look at what happened during the last one hundred years (to get a clue, lol)

They make sense in that it's the best we can estimate given everything we know, and it would be foolish to not make projections just because they can't be 100% accurate. Oil is too vital to the world economy and energy needs to live in complete ignorance, which is what not making projections would be. No one is claiming 100% accuracy. When new information becomes available (such as a new reserve located or a change in the global consumption rate) the projections are updated. The projections are immensely useful because this knowledge directly impacts where investment goes (into searching for more oil, extracting already proven reserves, or developing alternative energy sources). Not making the projections is utterly idiotic.
2533  Economy / Economics / Re: Will the world Economy Collapse this year? on: April 12, 2016, 11:59:06 PM
The economy is a collection of segmented markets. Some 'segments' within this collection may collapse, but will always build themselves back up again. The economy is a self cleansing and self healing mechanism.

Barring certain currencies, there has never been an instance in human history of a financial market that has crashed and then disappeared entirely. The tech market plunged in the early 2000's but rebounded... Between 1930 and 1970, gold lost a TREMENDOUS amount of value... but that market has also recovered.

The "world economy" is never going to "collapse" simply because there isn't a world economy... Just a collection of segmented markets that are designed to go through cycles
dont you think that some countries like the US for example are in big trouble compared to countries like the Uk and China?

China is in way more serious trouble than the US. It's estimated up 25% of housing is uninhabited, there are ghost cities that were built and nobody moved there. China is spending to try and pump the economy up, but they're spending without economic need, which is a recipe for disaster. Things are already starting to crumble, so they've starting massively interfering in the stock market by pumping stocks and arresting short sellers. These are the actions of a desperate country on the verge of major economic collapse.

Think theyīre heading for the fate of Japan in 1989 when the stock and real estate markets crashed? Their stock market is still down 60% from that top. It has been lurching from one recession to the next and government debt is gigantic.

I couldn't say. Japan had a lot of advantages China doesn't, such as a very conservative base of national savers (vs. China, which is recklessly encouraging investors to buy into the market despite insane multiples and no transparency). In that respect, it seems likely China won't be nearly as resilient in the face of catastrophe, and take "resilient" with a grain of salt, because Japan was anything but resilient after their meltdown. They don't call it the lost decade for nothing. As resilient as Japan wasn't, China seems destined to be far less so.
2534  Economy / Economics / Re: Will the world Economy Collapse this year? on: April 12, 2016, 11:54:45 PM
The Gold shills on Youtube will increase, when the world economy is turning to negative interest rates to solve their problems. We are seeing all the signs for a major correction

on the stock markets and the governments are trying their best to prevent another financial crisis, like we had when they had to jump in and give massive bailouts. We all knew

this was only a temporary solution and things will be worse the next time this happens. Will this happen this year? Possibly ... but we still have time to protect our wealth to a

degree, with alternatives like gold and silver and Bitcoin.  Wink  
do you think the price of bitcoin will go up massively when this collapse happens?

I think Bitcoin drops like a rock if there's an economic collapse. People will flee risky assets, and Bitcoin is among the riskiest. Nobody will look at a crumbling world economy and plunging asset values and think taking on more risk is a good idea.
but theres essentailly a finite quantity of bitcoin available won't this help the bitcoin situation? I dunno if its really a risky asset in that if it would have melted down it would have done so a long time ago.

No, the current price now is made up of speculators who are day trading to try and make profit from small movements, or long term speculators treating it like an asset. Neither one adds value to Bitcoin, which derives value from utility as a currency. When disaster strikes, both short and long term speculators will leave because it's too risky to be holding Bitcoin which still has very low utility outside of speculation, and all that will be left are people who use it as an actual currency, which is a very small number of overall current users. The cascade of people fleeing will make it harder to attract buyers too, and the fact that this is so predictable will create intense pressure to be the first out so you're not one of the ones left holding he bag. Bitcoin crumbles harder and faster than other assets in a real crisis.
2535  Economy / Economics / Re: European Banks Crash For 4th Straight Week on: April 12, 2016, 11:04:34 PM
The main point is the divergence since 1987. Before that there was a pretty good correlation.

Yeah but my point is it only looks like a correlation and a divergence because the y-axis is in log. The chart is manipulated to make it look so instead of actually being so.

True, if it wasn't then there probably wouldn't be much co-relation, it'd be a hell of a lot more scary though :/

Yes, that's my point. There is no correlation. The author manufactured one that doesn't exist to make his point.
2536  Economy / Economics / Re: European Banks Crash For 4th Straight Week on: April 12, 2016, 10:56:45 PM
The main point is the divergence since 1987. Before that there was a pretty good correlation.

Yeah but my point is it only looks like a correlation and a divergence because the y-axis is in log. The chart is manipulated to make it look so instead of actually being so. The chart only tracks the prior 15 years before the "divergence" and uses this as the basis for saying these two lines should track? 15 years isn't a correlation, it's a coincidence, especially when the chart is in log and cropped with axes that don't go to zero. If you back this chart out to a bigger timeframe, you'll find that these two lines don't track each other at all, whether the y-axis is in log or not.
2537  Economy / Economics / Re: Will the world Economy Collapse this year? on: April 12, 2016, 10:54:24 PM
The Gold shills on Youtube will increase, when the world economy is turning to negative interest rates to solve their problems. We are seeing all the signs for a major correction

on the stock markets and the governments are trying their best to prevent another financial crisis, like we had when they had to jump in and give massive bailouts. We all knew

this was only a temporary solution and things will be worse the next time this happens. Will this happen this year? Possibly ... but we still have time to protect our wealth to a

degree, with alternatives like gold and silver and Bitcoin.  Wink  
do you think the price of bitcoin will go up massively when this collapse happens?

I think Bitcoin drops like a rock if there's an economic collapse. People will flee risky assets, and Bitcoin is among the riskiest. Nobody will look at a crumbling world economy and plunging asset values and think taking on more risk is a good idea.
2538  Economy / Economics / Re: Will the world Economy Collapse this year? on: April 12, 2016, 10:50:38 PM
The economy is a collection of segmented markets. Some 'segments' within this collection may collapse, but will always build themselves back up again. The economy is a self cleansing and self healing mechanism.

Barring certain currencies, there has never been an instance in human history of a financial market that has crashed and then disappeared entirely. The tech market plunged in the early 2000's but rebounded... Between 1930 and 1970, gold lost a TREMENDOUS amount of value... but that market has also recovered.

The "world economy" is never going to "collapse" simply because there isn't a world economy... Just a collection of segmented markets that are designed to go through cycles
dont you think that some countries like the US for example are in big trouble compared to countries like the Uk and China?

China is in way more serious trouble than the US. It's estimated up 25% of housing is uninhabited, there are ghost cities that were built and nobody moved there. China is spending to try and pump the economy up, but they're spending without economic need, which is a recipe for disaster. Things are already starting to crumble, so they've starting massively interfering in the stock market by pumping stocks and arresting short sellers. These are the actions of a desperate country on the verge of major economic collapse.
2539  Economy / Economics / Re: European Banks Crash For 4th Straight Week on: April 12, 2016, 09:18:19 PM
After the stock market crash of 1987, The Federal Reserve embarked on a path that led to the biggest debt bubble in the history of the world. The day after the 1987 crash (Oct. 20, 1987) Alan Greenspan, Chairman of the Fed, announced to the world that The Fed stood ready to provide whatever liquidity was needed by the banking system to prevent the crash from turning into a systemic financial crisis. That was the day the Fed “put” was born.... read more

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-31/2016-end-global-debt-super-cycle



Why is the y-axis in log? That distorts the chart and makes a meaningful comparison of the two lines meaningless, although perhaps it advances a particular narrative.
2540  Economy / Economics / Re: Is the number of available bitcoins decreasing? on: April 12, 2016, 02:32:18 AM
I think the number of available bitcoins is increasing, because there are many miners out there. And if bitcoins decreasing i think it will affect the price of bitcoins.

Bitcoin will never deacreasing cause of miners it's ture. But a lot of people are holding bitcoins and it's a problem what nobody can solve. Everyone want more money.

...

bitcoins are also constantly being lost by people losing their private keys.

The question is when will people be losing bitcoins faster than they are produced by miners.

It's more likely Bitcoin becomes obsolete before the above scenario ever has a chance to happen. Even when the reward is a paltry .09 btc per block, that's roughly 13 new bitcoins produced per day, and we're still some 30 years away from that point.
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