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2521  Economy / Exchanges / Re: YoBit deposit missing. on: January 12, 2018, 07:11:51 PM
Can confirm, the same happened to me right now. I deposited a small amount of ECASH to test the waters, as I haven't used YoBit before. So far they forwarded it to another address, but have not credited my account. I guess that explains why no one is selling into the ECASH pump right now.

Any news from your side, OP?
2522  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: No Cryptocurrency Ban in South Korea on: January 12, 2018, 06:55:51 PM
It honestly comes to little suprise, as even the reports themselves were mostly talking about regulation unlike what some of the headlines implied. Would have made for less exciting news though, I suppose.


These artificially created fake news to drive BTC price down haven't got as much impact as it used to be. I'm not saying there won't be any fluctuations but not as bad hopefully. I regret those days when I sold my bitcoins by being week-handed instead of hodl. I'm sorry for newbies entering this game and get ripped off like this. It's a painful experience to learn this way. Steady hands, patients and reading news can save a lots of money to us all.

True, the decline we saw yesterday wasn't too deep as compared to the past. Bitcoin has already laid a solid foundation which is now very difficult to destroy.

I think it's safe to say that Bitcoiners have learned to take FUD with a huge grain of salt nowadays. It also helped that when China actually did shut down exchanges, it merely lead to a short term price fluctuation. Bitcoin is growing more resilient every day.
2523  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Need Suggetions on: January 12, 2018, 03:12:04 PM
Word of advise: Even if a cloud mining company is not out to scam you, the mining contract will likely never make a profit. Maybe in terms of fiat, because of rising crypto valuations, but not in terms of whatever cryptocurrency you are trying to mine. You're better off simply buying and holding.
2524  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Exactly How Do you Fork a Blockchain? on: January 12, 2018, 02:12:00 PM
You pick a block number and when the block is mined you take a snapshot of the block-chain
and then download the latest Bitcoin code from Github and make a few tweaks to the code to increase the
block-size and make changes to the block type. [...]

That would be merely an airdrop, the answer by achow101 is the correct one.

While one may argue that the result is mostly the same, hardforks are still usually deployed by having nodes follow the canonical Bitcoin consensus until a certain block is reached, after which a protocol change and subsequently the hardfork is triggered. Sometimes successfully, such as was the case with BCH despite a slow startup, sometimes not so successfully, as was the case with B2X that stopped working due to a bug in the forking logic.
2525  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Why blockchain could be seen as a belief system? on: January 12, 2018, 01:25:36 PM
In general I would argue that cryptocurrencies could be seen as a "belief system" in that most of them strive to achieve certain values that are usually not ascribed to money, such as indepence, privacy and censorship-resistance. Especially the latter seems to be a rather curious aspect to most people, as usually there's little thought spent on how money is not as free to move as one is led to believe.

Regarding Jamie Dimon however, I guess he just doesn't want to end up being the guy that said "the internet is a fad". The focus on the turn of phrase is likely due to the fact that the term blockchain has for the most part become devoid of actual meaning, making it an empty hull that could mean anything you make it out to be. It follows that the discourse becomes more a matter of "faith" than of meaningful arguments.
2526  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can Bitcoin Hold? on: January 12, 2018, 12:47:59 PM
Short- to mid-term things might start to look grim, but the other coins either scale just as bad or are centralized, so I'm not worried. Well, the latter does worry me a bit, because if centralized tokens were to win the race it would mean that the experiment that is cryptocurrencies has largely failed, which would be a shame.
2527  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin "Mainstream" yet? The poll. on: January 12, 2018, 12:19:27 PM
It's a mixed bag. I'd say that Bitcoin has certainly achieved mainstream awareness. Everyone's heard of it, CNBC and Forbes are shilling it daily, and the banks (GS and JP Morgan) are comparing it to gold.

[...]

I think that pretty much breaks it down. Everyone and their dogs has heard of Bitcoin by now. Alt coiners and cryptocurrency "experts" are all over the place. Blockchain hype is as big as it has ever been.

Nonetheless the actual usage of cryptocurrencies is still in a very early stage. So adoption is far from mainstream.

As far as usage for speculation is concerned, I'd say Bitcoin is beginning to become mainstream though.


I would define Bitcoin to be mainstream once everyone and their dogs has not only heard of Bitcoin, but owns or uses it. Keep in mind that the internet had also reached mainstream awareness long before mainstream adoption.
2528  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Most anonymous cryptos on: January 12, 2018, 11:58:25 AM
Byteball (GBYTE) has Blackbytes, which is the supposedly anonymous counterpart to their Bytes token. As far as I know they are not traded on any centralized exchanges though, only on community channels.
2529  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Segwit and Lightning Network help on: January 12, 2018, 11:46:58 AM
Hi,

Understand bitcoin fees are still expensive. However if there was a mass wide segwit adoption over lets say 90% then how much roughly cheaper fees will be then? Even with mass segwit adoption will the network still be congested and will fees go back to high?

According to blockchain.info there's currently just short of 300,000 BTC transactions being handled per day, with roughly 160,000 BTC transactions being stuck in the mempool. If someone flipped a switch and all of a sudden 90% of transaction were to be SegWit transactions, close to doubling the current possible transaction throughput, those stuck transactions were gone within a day and every transaction that followed would have little trouble getting confirmed, even with a low fee. In 2015 miners earned only about a 1/50 in transactions fees of what they earn today, so my educated guess would be that transaction fees would be only 1/50 of what they are today.

Keep in mind however that even with 90% segwit adoption, given the current growth of transactions, we'd be looking at the same problem again in about 2-3 years time. So scaling solutions such as Lightning Network are required in the long term.


Secondly does Lightning Network requires segwit implementation first or can I make a LN transaction without segwit? Basically is LN independant from segwit?

In theory you could use Lightning Network without SegWit, given a transaction malleability fix. In practice, such a fix currently only exists with SegWit, so right now SegWit is required for Lightning transactions.
2530  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Which is the best coin to invest in 2018? on: January 12, 2018, 10:34:55 AM
Do yourself a favour and do your own research. Look at the top coins on coinmarketcap by market cap and volume and look at each respective's coin's use case, technical approach and community. Keep in mind that some coins are centrally issued, which may be good or bad depending on how you want to look at it. Form your own opinion and don't just blindly buy into the hype of the day.


Take a look at Cardano. It's a safe investment to hold in 2018.

No such thing as a safe bet in crypto.
2531  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitcoin price prediction end of 2018 on: January 11, 2018, 06:15:02 PM
My personal prediction, that will likely be false on all accounts:

1) BTC will stay above USD 10,000,-, it might be a close call though.

2) Alts will see yet another boom, but the growth will be mostly unsustainable. We'll see changes in the top coins as some currently hyped alts fall from grace and get superseded by others.

3) BTC will come close to USD 50,000,- at one point in 2018, but not be able to stabilize on that level.

Alts will go up with bitcoin, bitcoin won't affect them negatively this year. But I think bitcoin can make at most $40.000 this year, within 2018.

The interesting part will be to see whether one of the alts manages to decouple itself from BTC, which I don't quite see happening yet.

Most alts still get pulled down when BTC drops. ETH decouples at times, but still mostly follows BTC's movement. BCH only decouples during hype events, but for the most part still seems to follow BTC's market trend. XRP looks mostly like a short-term trend right now, but who knows. It's going to be a decisive year for crypto in general either way.
2532  Economy / Economics / Re: Adoption of blockchain on: January 11, 2018, 03:36:55 PM
[...] Buying something in expectation that the price will rise without any intrinsic value is the definition of bubble. [...]

Something can have an intrinsic value and still be part of a bubble. Housing, for example. Or even dot com companies.

It's only when the prices that people are willing to pay far exceed the fundamental value of an asset, that bubbles are born.

I agree with your sentiment though. Cryptocurrencies as a technology are an unprecedented value proposition that in the long run will not be lessened by price fluctuations.
2533  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: the recent coinmarketcap exclusion of some korean exchanges on: January 11, 2018, 02:25:50 PM
It was not representative of supply and demand though.  Firstly the Korean exchanges represent only the local supply/demand and as there's little to no arbitrage, that isn't dispersed to other markets.  Its a distortion, 25-50% variation shouldn't happen in one market is there is a genuine, efficient market. Secondly, the cause of this is apparently 0 fees on exchanges that allow wash trades, buying and selling the same asset to create false price.

Lack of arbitrage options has indeed been a problem with Korean exchanges. I wasn't aware of them having 0 fees though, very reminiscent of China, if true. And worrying for the short- to mid-term future of crypto prices, as Korean exchanges seem to have become a driving factor during the last few months.
2534  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: How to run a Lightning node? on: January 11, 2018, 01:45:23 PM
Yes I was thinking also about earning fees, but not mainly: my main goal at the moment would be learning and helping the network. I might do that even at a (reasonable) loss for some time.

In this case I'd give Lightning a run on testnet first Smiley

A few starting points:

1) HTLC.me web wallet
2) Eclair testnet android wallet
3) Lightning Desktop App ( https://github.com/lightninglabs/lightning-app/releases )
4) yalls.org for spending testnet microtransactions
5) Starblocks.acinq.co for spending testnet microtransactions

1) and 2) are easiest to get into, but rather limited in functionality.
3) Seems to be fully fledged, but I had connectivity problems when trying to open a direct channel. Might have been a firewall issue though, since it was not my home network when I first gave it a try.
4) yalls works great so far
5) starblocks had connectivity issues last I tried

I'm sure there's more, but that's how I personally got started.
2535  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: How to run a Lightning node? on: January 11, 2018, 01:05:17 PM
[...]

2) what do you think would be the minimum amount of BTC to stake in it for it to make sense to be part of the main network?


Assuming you're thinking about earning Lightning transaction fees: I don't think there will be much of a profit in running a Lightning node, so the amount you want to keep locked in a channel will mostly depend on your actual spending habits. It's still a bit early to tell though.
2536  Economy / Economics / Re: Trading Conspiracy Theory - Bitcoin on: January 11, 2018, 11:21:05 AM
Honestly? I don't see any reason to believe in an attack on Bitcoin or in a conspiracy theory to keep Bitcoin down. All I see is consolidation in an already overbought market. If anything it makes me wonder how much of the recent growth was organic. Both in regards to BTC and the alt market. I'm still fairly confident about crypto in general, I also see the South Korea headlines mostly as FUD, but a conspiracy? Nah...
2537  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitcoin price prediction end of 2018 on: January 11, 2018, 11:07:56 AM
My personal prediction, that will likely be false on all accounts:

1) BTC will stay above USD 10,000,-, it might be a close call though.

2) Alts will see yet another boom, but the growth will be mostly unsustainable. We'll see changes in the top coins as some currently hyped alts fall from grace and get superseded by others.

3) BTC will come close to USD 50,000,- at one point in 2018, but not be able to stabilize on that level.
2538  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: BITCOIN value is decreasing, ANY chance of rise in other Currency? on: January 11, 2018, 10:28:43 AM
When BTC falls, it takes the whole crypto market down with it. You may catch a lucky break and happen to find an alt that fares better than the others, but which one it will be -- if there is one -- is anyone's guess.
2539  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: the recent coinmarketcap exclusion of some korean exchanges on: January 11, 2018, 09:43:48 AM
I keep wondering if CoinMarketCap actually did us a favor by removing Korean exchanges.

I mean, if Korean government does go through with their threats and bans Bitcoin, it won't have as much effect as it would if they were still included.

Or do you guys think I'm wrong?

I agree with you. It seems like coinmarketcap saw the writing on the wall and acted accordingly.

However while I see some Korean exchanges being forced to close, I'm still doubtful about South Korea stopping crypto trade altogether.
2540  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin falls as one of the world's biggest cryptocurrency markets on: January 11, 2018, 08:32:56 AM
So that is where the recent drop is coming from! I guess South Korea might become the next China.

It still looks more like a warning shot towards exchanges to keep their paperwork in order though, so a full on ban on cryptocurrencies is not in yet.

I would not buy into South Korea banning bitcoin as the cause cause of drop in price. Also we need to check credibility of the source about this. If I remember correctly this South Korea and bitcoin topic came up somewhere in December last year as well and as said to be a cause of the drop from 5k USD to 3k USD in bitcoint price.

For now I will just consider this as a piece of FUD or rehashed (?) old news. In my opinion the price is dropping because of altcoins being bought.

It's current news, but arguably it's more a question of regulation, rather than banning:

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-southkorea-bitcoin/south-korea-plans-to-ban-cryptocurrency-trading-rattles-market-idUSKBN1F002A

Whether it's the cause of the current drop is speculative, of course, as given the current market situation a further drop in BTC price was not unexpected. The drop in BTC precedes the current rise of alt coins though, so the drop seems to be the cause of the rise and not the other way round.
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