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2561  Economy / Speculation / Re: How many bitcoins do I need to retire in 20 years? on: April 16, 2015, 01:04:02 PM
dunno why people quote the 10k/per coin figure as some sort of a holy grail. Not enough. I wouldn't be satisfied with less than 30k/coin

because 100 btc for 10k result in a good amount to retire, it makes a good equilibrium, 100 btc are not impossible to achieve(i'm speaking for a poor people that start now to collect bitcoin, not a rich guy...), and 10k have the same chance to be reached


But like it has been pointed out, 100 BTC "for poor people" is only achiveable if we stay in the current price for a long time, at least 5 years. If we are 5 years at 1k+, then its impossible to amass 100.
2562  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you think quantum computers would break Bitcoin's security? on: April 16, 2015, 01:01:38 PM
Quantum computing studies theoretical computation systems (quantum computers) that make direct use of quantum-mechanical phenomena, such as superposition and entanglement, to perform operations on data.
Large-scale quantum computers will be able to solve certain problems much more quickly than any classical computers that use even the best currently known algorithms.
In theory this kind of computing power will be unbelievably powerful and be able to achieve much greater "solving power" which could crack algorithm behind bitcoin (commonly referred as: public key cryptography).

For more information visit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_computing

Bitcoin is designed to last for over a 100 years. Obviously we don't have this kind of computers yet.
But we will be, maybe in 10 maybe in 20 years, but definitely sooner that we may think - and then, at that time bitcoin may be world currency...
So do you think quantum computers would break Bitcoin's security?
Yes, but it will take WAY longer than we'll ever live, therefore Bitcoin will be here for a long time. Longer than we can imagine. 1000's of years. Anything else is science fiction.
2563  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: It is possible to have a blockchain without bitcoin on: April 16, 2015, 01:00:02 PM
If the 'miners' are paid with tax money - much like how the DNS servers work.
No it is not. The blockchain needs a currency to get paid and incentive the mining.
2564  Economy / Speculation / Re: is spike recovery time an indicator? on: April 15, 2015, 01:38:06 PM
We going most likely 1xx something before the great consolidation happens and we start marching towards 4 figures again.
2565  Economy / Speculation / Re: I'm All In - Sold My House! on: April 15, 2015, 01:36:59 PM
He knows that one day his Bitcoins are worth more then his initial askingprice of the house so he is not worried.
In fact in dreams is already designing his residential villa on a private island next to Leonardo DiCaprio.


He would be able to buy several islands some day, but by then OP will have lost his patience along the way and sold, only to find out later he could have been rich. Same story as always, seen it happen all the time.
2566  Economy / Speculation / Re: Are you bullish or bearish right now? on: April 15, 2015, 01:34:57 PM
It's a game of cost averaging: buying on dips no matter what. At the end it will pay off, but not everyone is patient which leads to not everyone can win in this life.
2567  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Satoshi cashing out 1million BTC on: April 15, 2015, 01:23:56 PM
Satoshi will never sell. If you ever created revolutionary technology after years of efforts, you would treat it as your kid. Satoshi will die before he sells a single BTC, for the goal is to not even need to sell to adquire any commodities.
2568  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Once again, what about the scalability issue? on: April 15, 2015, 01:22:19 PM
Apparently, Satoshi predicted this and his reply was: "By the time BTC is mainstream, technology will be advanced enough for 1MB not being a problem".
2569  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will the Blockchain Endure if Bitcoin goes Bust? on: April 15, 2015, 01:20:41 PM
If Bitcoin dies, would the  Blockchain network  remain distributed and robust ?

I've heard more than a few Wall Street Gurus and Tech Visionaries state that while the Bitcoin concept is unique and interesting, the Blockchain Technology is where the magic happens.
If Bitcoin dies, then a million despondent miners return whence they came, and the distributed nature of the Blockchain is weakened to an unknown degree.

The way I see this, to an average Bitcoin miner, the Blockchain is the lifeblood of Bitcoin and the river from which it flows, but it is consequential to mining Bitcoin, which is the miner's primary objective.  Integrity of the Blockchain is essential for mining to occur. Conversely however, if those who would build new platforms on the Blockchain network were the primary drivers of the Blockchain due to the absence of miners, it would be in their interest to control as much of the Blockchain Network as possible. This would effectively neutralize the incorruptible, distributed nature of the Blockchain.

If Bitcoin dies, will the Blockchain necessarily die with it?

No, the blockchain needs BTC, there's no blockchain without BTC, but BTC will never die, not unless the universe itself dies, that's what people don't seem to get.
2570  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why is this not Bitcoinland on: April 15, 2015, 01:19:24 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland
yes its a bit small but would it matter?
Because they are delusional as hell to think their safe libertarian haven is going to work in between all these countries to boot. It's going to be just another fiscal paradise for the rich.
2571  Economy / Speculation / Re: 3 billion market cap for this tech... on: April 14, 2015, 03:28:10 PM
no, the value of the blockchain itself is 0, because it can be easily replicated. So the value is in the network effects, or the people using the particular blockchain. And at this point, I don't think 3 billion is under valued. Could be overvalued by quite a bit, actually. But I do think eventually when there are more uses for blockchains for the average person, the no. of people will increase exponentially and by that time, the price will increase.
There's no blockchain without Bitcoin, don't get fooled. Bitcoin mining is the strongest network on earth, even if you combined world's earths super computers against Bitcoin it wouldn't match up the computing power. Look at the facts.
Uber is 4 billion for god's sake. Bitcoin will be on the trillions in the next decade, see you there buddy.
2572  Economy / Speculation / Re: A bet on: April 14, 2015, 03:25:46 PM
Lots of big bear talkers here.

Who will take a $100 bet we do not see single digits by 2020.
Sounds like a cool deal for the FUDfaces in here. Is there any way to secure a deal and guarantee it gets paid with a countdown until 2020? that would be a good service.
2573  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is not a bubble on: April 14, 2015, 03:12:36 PM
people around the world are not adopting bitcoin because of those thing in general

1- security
2- regulation

those two thing must be addressed in order to rise the adoption of bitcoin

the secuirty can be done by the exchage(so it's not even a bitcoin fault)

the regulation is on the way on some countries, but need to be speeded up and should be easy for average people, not something like "i need to take note of every transactions" or other things too laborious

Bitcoin is as secure as it gets, the problem is people it seems is too dumb to be their own banks ( the general public). Xapo is a good solution for this.

Regulation, it will happen and will being with the Winlevii ETF.
2574  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is Bitcoin is a ponzi game on: April 14, 2015, 03:08:57 PM
Hello everyone!!!
Today I was looking at the price of Bitcoin and I suddenly a question arise in my mind is Bitcoin is like a ponzi scheme first investor will get a definite profit while other will get nothing

WRONG!  Bitcoin is not a Ponzi scheme.

It's the new Tulipmania, Nigerian Prince, or Beanie Babies!   Cool



Beaniecoin, I meant Bitcoin, collect them while they're still hot!





/endsarcasm

I still fail to understand the stupid ass analogy with the stupid ass teddy bears. They are comparing some useless, cute teddy bears with the monster of thought and technology advancement that Bitcoin is. Can someone explain this one to me for Jesus H Christ's sake?
2575  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Bitcoin2.0 is now here, and it's just a FREE blockchain.info-type bitcoin wallet on: April 14, 2015, 03:07:17 PM
What's "two point zero" about this? This just seems like another 3rd party (as in non Bitcoin-QT) wallet. Nice I guess, but why sell this as 2.0, when its on the same category as say Armory, Electrum or whatever??
2576  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Could obsolete ASICs become expensive antiques one day? on: April 13, 2015, 02:55:43 PM
What do you think of the possibility that Bitcoin miners could become expensive antiques one day? There is a thread on Reddit which explores this very possibility:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21ifrg/one_dev_asks_what_to_do_with_first_bitcoin_asic/

This is more of a question for those who have 1st generation BFL Jalapenos, Block Erupters, Batch 1 Avalons, and (possibly) Antminer S1s. Instead of selling your obsolete miners, could it be a smarter move to hold onto them in the hopes of their value increasing as Bitcoin awareness expands?

If Bitcoin becomes truly mainstream then those early miners will increasingly be seen as an important part of our history. For similar examples, take a look at the earliest vintage computers such as the Apple I and MITS Altair 8800 as well as vintage automobiles which can often go for thousands of dollars on eBay despite being obsolete.

I'd say it's not a possibility - it is an inevitability.

Moore's Law - processor speed doubles every year.  As a computer enthusiast, I have hundreds of old obsolete components that were once state of the art.   As a general rule, they are not worth anything unless they operate stand alone (such as computers or automobiles).  For example, a state of the art serial port (at the time) would be worthless today.  What's a serial port??

Indeed, it is inevitable, the interesting part is, they may become collectables, even show in museums, just like there are museums of ancient computers now.
"And this kids are the very early Bitcoin miners". I can see it in 2140 when BTC is the leading payment method.
2577  Economy / Speculation / Re: Double digits in 2015? on: April 13, 2015, 02:49:49 PM
Worrying about BTC going double digits is like the same as worrying about BTC going from 15 to 3 USD when BTC crashed and "was dead" back in the day. Time will put things into perspective.
2578  Economy / Speculation / Re: the lack of volitility is worrying on: April 13, 2015, 02:46:08 PM
bitcoin is more than 5 years old, it's about time that is less volatile now then before, besides this the manipulation was always present, but now there is only manipulation(i would say less than before) and no more "new" money

There are still about 6 million new coins to be created, but its true the new coins coming into the market are increasingly slower and this should naturally create a stability on the price, ruling out external factors (manipulation and whatnot).
2579  Economy / Economics / Re: mining & electricity on: April 13, 2015, 02:40:29 PM
I never invested in cloud mining for a reason. I wish I lived in a place with cheap ass electricity to start a solid, legitimate mining empire. I would live inside the mining cave during the winter to get free heating.
2580  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who's To Blame In Bitcoin Foundation's Unrest on: April 13, 2015, 02:35:14 PM
I don't know who's to blame in this case, but i think we need the real decentralized foundation just like Linux Foundation Roll Eyes

The beauty of BTC is we dont really need any foundation. People is prone to corruption, but the magic is the Bitcoin protocol it's impossible to corrupt. The Bitcoin foundation being corrupt only shows how much we need Bitcoin itself and nothing else.
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