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2561  Economy / Securities / Re: [IBCO - OPEN] ⚽🎰 Casino Critique ⭐ Initial Bitcoin Chip Offering ❤️‍🔥 on: August 16, 2022, 01:41:46 PM
I remember now. First I noticed you on Stake the bitcoin address thread. Your domain name got my attention. It's a nice two words domain. Hopefully you will be able to brand it.

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Fail to meet Hard cap reduce the revenue sharing pool to 20% for eligible Hard cap Chip offerers. The remaining is allocated for eligible Soft cap Chip offerers.
https://ibco.casinocritique.com/terms-and-conditions/

I don't think I understood the clause. Can you elaborate?

Did you miss the contents of the file?
https://ibco.casinocritique.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/IBCO-Terms-and-Conditions.txt
2562  Economy / Reputation / Re: Thread locked I owe it to aew. JollyGood and his Feedback on: August 16, 2022, 01:24:15 PM
I wouldn't really accept this as a good example.
When I say lazy DT which I meant three times on the thread, LoyceV is in my mind 🤣[Yo V! take it easy]

things change, people too, plus some new members are coming. I think that the trust list cannot be made once and for all.
True but I think a sensible user will not change his trust list every day like somewhere I read someone said waking up, brushing the teeth, check the last posts to see who have disagreed with their arguments while they were sleeping then distrust them. My observation is, LoyceV is one of these few people who understand the trust system very well although in a discussion it felt to me that some of his suggestions were in a gray area but later I decided to take the suggestions seeing there are no better alternative left.

2563  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system on: August 16, 2022, 01:10:44 PM
What's going on? Why am I called so many times 🤣?

You should add users who left accurate feedback and have good Trust lists to your Trust list, and you should exclude users who leave inaccurate feedback.
Nice try but unfortunately this is ignored by many DT power seekers.

which after all the recent drama is a big lol and a half.
I am trying to imagine how big is this big lol then I will understand the half 🤣

A question which part was the drama?
JollyGood an his feedback

It was not meant to create drama or I would not PM him first then wait 6 days. It was meant to be finished if he was responding the PM to satisfy me with his answer. He is running away because he does not have any answer.
2564  Other / Meta / Re: A Possible Improved DT1 System Proposal. on: August 16, 2022, 12:56:52 PM
You mean I would have to add all 100 DT1 members to my trust list and choose if I want to have each of them trusted or distrusted, and do this every month?
This was my primary idea when I was doing the dry run then after making the topic when it seemed hard work for everything then I proposed to have a certain percent instead of all. 20% out of the rest of 99 would be a good threshold I thought. I explained it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409697.msg60748710#msg60748710
2565  Other / Meta / Re: A Possible Improved DT1 System Proposal. on: August 14, 2022, 01:37:32 PM
I have a different idea: Currently, anyone with enough earned Merit can vote for the DT1-election by inclusing users on their Trust list. But if they exclude them, that exclusion is ignored for DT1-election and only other DT1-users can take away that user's DT1-status (while the user can still vote in favour or against other DT1-members).
Why not let all users vote against DT1-members instead?
If exclusions would be counted for the DT1-election, users with many exclusions wouldn't reach DT1 in the first place.
An interesting proposal. Too many people are complaining, protesting but what matters are the ideas. It's up to Theymos which direction he should move but a new revamp of the DefaultTrust system will be appreciated.

I am never completely tied to anything, but let's try this for at least a few months and see how it works.
It's obvious that it was a school project, now that we are in our professional areas, let's see what the main man brings for us. 😉
2566  Economy / Reputation / Re: Thread locked I owe it to aew. JollyGood and his Feedback on: August 14, 2022, 12:41:43 PM
I think mindrust is talking about ~ people in your trust list. When you say "exclude" are you talking about just removing those you trust now or ~ them?
I see LoyceV used his trust list as an example to point that those who are in his trust list will not change their setting no matter what LoyceV does, either trust or distrust. But we don't know what's in their mind. With all due respect, we will not know until we have a secret group to sign a digital terms and mess up with others 🤣. When we mess up big time then this digitally singed copy will save the ass LOL.

I'd say if a couple of DT1 started changing a few of the ones on their trust lists to ~ we would have quite a bit of drama.
Considering how it goes most of the times, we can expect a year long daily soap 😉

2567  Economy / Reputation / Re: The most influential people of the forum. Who are they? on: August 14, 2022, 12:30:40 PM
In my opinion, from what I have seen personally in this forum:
[...]
Instead of complaining 99 times out of 100 do you have any idea how to improve the system. It does not help as long as no idea generates and the admin changes anything. In your case you are judging everything from your own personal perspective. Just because your things did not go well with FJ does not mean the forum lost it's credibility. This is a place to promote bitcoin not to prevent scams and spammers.
2568  Economy / Reputation / Re: WO merit hunting / Spamming on: August 14, 2022, 03:55:11 AM
Interestingly I do not see you made any post in WO yet you are complaining about merit distribution in WO.
I don't see how posting in WO would benefit the OP.
My point was without being a regular in WO OP is complaining about merit distribution in WO. I could be wrong to sense it though.

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Sure they can. Farm merit to rank up a bunch of accounts and them spam the shit out of the forum with low-quality signature shitposting. They have genuine interest in making money and no interest in the quality of the discussion.
The financial motivation was not in my mind LOL. I take off what I said 🤣

I was speaking from my own experience. When I am enjoying my time I am regular in the forum but when I not having good time around then I do not feel to make posts even for months.
2569  Economy / Reputation / Re: WO merit hunting / Spamming on: August 14, 2022, 03:32:36 AM
Also you will find their post one after the other in WO.  Wink
Also check the images they use of full scale pics only to spam in the WO.
Interestingly I do not see you made any post in WO yet you are complaining about merit distribution in WO. There are user who use it to whore merit but we got used to it. A user can not continue for long if they do not have genuine interest in the forum.
2570  Economy / Reputation / Re: How many red tags is the scammer Royse777 going to get? on: August 14, 2022, 03:24:51 AM
[...]
I have not gone to the story but I felt interested to reply of your comment.
I get this many times from users. If you have not gone to the story then why are you asking generic questions? Why not get the time to read, investigate, understand then ask a question. It then become a good post instead of a random unnecessary post.
2571  Other / Meta / Re: Is a user able to Trust/Distrust even when they are banned? on: August 14, 2022, 03:14:37 AM
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It's possible that the banned user is interested in a service someone has posted about it and wants to use it.
As the banned user needs to know if the announcement poster is trustworthy enough, he/she should be able to modify his/her trust list.
That's only a guess from you. The problem for us here we really don't know which features a user can or can not use and its reasons when they are banned. There are no clear direction from system documentation. Or even if it does then I do not think it has been updated. Theymos has made many changes to original SMF and I can confidently say that he did not bother to document anything at all 🤣
2572  Other / Meta / Re: A Possible Improved DT1 System Proposal. on: August 14, 2022, 03:04:38 AM
Interesting responses so far.
The common problem is the difficulty of keeping rest of the selected members in your trust list if you are selected to be a DT1.

How about having 20% out of 99 or less or more than that? This should reduce the difficulty to have all 99 in your trust list.

We can always increase or reduce the difficulty by taking a percent from 99. Higher the percent is, harder to be elected in the DT1.

Edit: OP updated.
2573  Economy / Reputation / Re: Thread locked I owe it to aew. JollyGood and his Feedback on: August 14, 2022, 02:56:51 AM
Distrust everybody in your trust list. Most of them will distrust you back without asking why you did what you did.
True may be but that was not the intention of the trust system. It was supposed to be to response a users feedback leaving judgement, not you distrust me and I respond with distrusting you or I add you and you response with adding me back. However it is tempting sometimes. The moment you are driven by jealousy or favoritism, you should not be in DT1 list.
2574  Economy / Reputation / Re: Clearing my trust list on: August 13, 2022, 04:54:49 AM
Generally the idea that anyone criticises JollyGood is a troll and part of a clique intended to troll him, hence they are ignored and distrusted.
Ignoring is ones own property because only you are effected by the result. No one have to care about it. But distrusting a user is not your own property. It effects the whole DT network. Distrusting a user means you do not trust their feedback leaving judgement and you want it to broadcast it to others who have you in their DT network.

When a user is constantly distrusting others for criticizing their activities and not having to support their arguments then it's not a mistake. Since it has nothing to do with the feedback leaving judgement anymore, it become an abuse of the system.
2575  Other / Meta / A Possible Improved DT1 System Proposal. on: August 13, 2022, 04:26:37 AM
To improve DT2 selection, the topic from DireWolfM14 and his pool suggestion is so far the best discussion I consider.
My personal suggestion is to make wider margin. Net inclusion 2 is better than 1, 3 is better than 2 and so on.  


#3
I will periodically (maybe every month) be reconstructing the default trust list to include everyone who matches these criteria:
 - If rank was determined solely using earned merit, then you must be of at least Member rank.
 - You must have been online sometime within the last 3 days.
 - Your trust list must include at least 10 users, not including ~distrust entries.
 - You must not be banned or manually blacklisted from selection.
 - You must have posted sometime within the last 30 days.
 - You must have at least 10 people directly trusting you each with an earned merit of at least 10, not including merit you yourself sent. These "votes" are limited.
 - You must have at least 2 people directly trusting you with an earned merit of at least 250, not including merit you yourself sent. These "votes" are limited.

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I plan to instead choose a random subset of about 100 eligible users each time.
In current DT system these random subset of 100 eligible users become the DT1.

My proposal is to add another layer with the current DT system for DT1 Election which is to allow these 100 eligible users to update their trust setting every month.

So the random selection makes the users eligible for DT1 but each of them are not DT1 until they do not update their own trust list with the selected remaining 99 users. One must add or tilde (~) others in their trust setting to become DT1 for the remaining days until the next random subset selection.

The current DT1 system became a lazy achievement for some, some are easily manipulating it, some do not involve because they do not either add or tilde (~) a user to avoid DT drama. If someone wants to be in the DT1 network then let them fully involved.


I do not know how hard it will be to reprogram but I wanted the work for Theymos as less as possible.

Choosing random subset of 100 users are already done but instead of making them DT1 from the selection write a set of code that will check if the individual user added/tilded(~) remaining 99 users.
Code:
Current user cu = logged in user;
Array cua = Current user's trust list;
Save the random subset in an array rsa (random subset array);
Have another array dta (defaultTrust array) to store DT1 users;

Check cua have everyone from rsa excluding himself
    YES, cu will be added to dta;

return dta;
A loop will be needed but depending on the programming skill the loop can be optimized (mainly in array processing) for the code to take less resources.
Instead of running it on onLoad of the index page you can set a corn job which will execute after every x hours or x day.

The benefits:
Elect only users who have strong desire to be in the DT1 list.
Since it requires a must vote for all selected users, no elected DT1 user can stay in the border line where they skip it by not adding or tildeding(~) others.
Every month after the selection, users will need to add/tilde(~) new selected users to their trust list again, this eliminates lazy DT1.
Since elected to be in DT1 become harder it should eliminate easy manipulation.

The disadvantages:
Selected users will need to update their trust setting every month to be elected for DT1
It could create more drama since no one can stay in the border line. You tilded user A, be ready to be tilded by user A.
May use additional resources from the hosting if it allows to run in onLoad of the index page.


Update: Considering response from users so far, a proposal to reduce difficulty.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409697.msg60748710#msg60748710
2576  Economy / Reputation / Re: Clearing my trust list on: August 10, 2022, 10:31:07 AM
After looking at how several cliques and trolls manipulate the system to suit their own agenda
May be we can have a game and can pass it to others. Then JollyGood will eventually open the box with the users he considers cliques and trolls.

I propose these cliques and trolls are  BitcoinGirl.Club, NeuroticFish, tranthidung, LoyceV, Poker Player, dragonvslinux, DireWolfM14, dkbit98, The Pharmacist.

PS: I am not calling out anyone please don't take it that way. You are free to guess the cliques and trolls.
2577  Economy / Reputation / Re: Clearing my trust list on: August 10, 2022, 10:03:08 AM
is to make it less "grandfathered" by giving newer users a chance to reach it too.
It still become less "grandfathered" and give chances to newer users. I am working to the dry run in my imagination. I will try to elaborate the idea in meta section once I am happy with it.

Just clearing my understanding. These are the users who are eligible to be DT1 but not in the current DT1 list, in other words they are not the 100 users who are in DT1 in the running month's corn job.

See if they have good trust ratings and good trust lists, and add them to your Trust list.
Yes but it's not stopping the abusers to use the loophole of the current DefautTrust system.
2578  Economy / Reputation / Re: Thread locked I owe it to aew. JollyGood and his Feedback on: August 10, 2022, 09:43:36 AM
based mainly on reciprocation?
Reciprocation when someone is adding him in their trust list and/or sending him positive feedback or worse supporting his ingenuine twisted arguments
Retaliatory when someone tilde him and/or leave him a negative feedback or worse not supporting his twisted arguments.

First is fair enough although this should not be practiced makes it look trust farming but the second is undoubtedly dangerous.
Both together actually make the DefaultTrust system meaningless.
2579  Economy / Reputation / Re: Thread locked I owe it to aew. JollyGood and his Feedback on: August 10, 2022, 09:30:09 AM
An appropriate reference for negative feedback would be the scam accusation topic.
Where did you get this idea? It does not always need to be on the scam accusation board.

Don't twist my words. I never said "always".
You said: "I am thinking a way how to correct it and also use appropriate reference...", I suggested an appropriate reference.
My intention was not to twist your words. It sounded to me that it must be in scam accusations aboard. My mistake when I was wording the sentence.

Each of us should check any trust feedback manually (if needed) and draw our own conclusions based on the evidence presented.
And what do you conclude when one party is explaining his reasoning and other party is silent because they have nothing to say in their defense?
2580  Economy / Reputation / Re: Clearing my trust list on: August 10, 2022, 06:10:51 AM
I don’t like to use its power anyway.. I much prefer to post convincing arguments that may influence others in the use of theirs  Wink
DT was not supposed to be a power seeking position and considering it as your own property. Unfortunately some power seeking users are using it as a tool for them to silent others. They are using the loophole of the voting system. Even a post against their argument will earn you a tilde.

but it's probably better to suggest how to improve it directly. Less DT1-members isn't going to change much, and requiring more inclusions for DT2 hasn't been implemented for years.
(1) Requiring more inclusions for DT2 should be a good start.
(2) It requires more brainstorming. i.e. To be DT1 you must be in other DT1's (99) trust list either as added or as tilded (avoid not having them at all in your trust list). I can not think of how because every time Theymos run the corn job it add and remove new members but as I said with proper brainstorming it can be improved.
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