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2581  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Announcement: Bitmain launches AntMiner solution, 0.68 J/GH on chip on: February 26, 2014, 11:27:00 PM
I cannot start cgminer with more than 1 antminer U1 connected. anyone else have this issue or a solution? it seems like the golden nonce process overrides the cgminer process of connecting to pools, and it freezes up before the top section of info (hashrates, pool, etc) can appear.

makes restarting a stopped miner a PITA because i need to unplug all my usb cables first
2582  Other / Archival / Re: Pictures of your mining rigs! on: February 26, 2014, 01:55:31 AM
USB risers are anything but a waste of money.  Unless you like annoyingly short ribbon cables for some reason...  They are a $20 (well, less considering you still need $10+ ribbon cables) addition that makes the difference between a ghetto rig and a pro setup.

+1     I am planning in USB risers because
a) they will last longer because there is no flimsy ribbon cable for it.
b) they look better - The rig wont be a centerpeice, but it will hopefully be visually appealing.
2583  Other / Archival / Re: Pictures of your mining rigs! on: February 26, 2014, 12:24:32 AM
looking for a bit of a confirmation on a build before I go out and throw down $2000+ on it:

MSI Z87-G45 GAMING  ($160)
2*600W power supplies (full 600w on 12V) ($40 each BEFORE a $15 MIR)
cheap celeron processor (about $50-70)
2x2gb ram ($40)
6x Sapphire R9 270X dual-x  ($240 each)
6x usb risers ($25 each)

USB w/ BAMT
keyboard
mouse
monitor

Does this look like a good build? Ive read the sapphire cards can be pushed into the 450-480 khash range, so 2.7Mhash/s for about $2250. ($0.80/khash) I plan to use either a milkcrate or a shoerack and a few zipties to hold everything in place.

My biggest concern is of being late to the game. scrypt ASICs are close, and will offer about 1/10th the power draw. I expect these to roll-out on a large scale in the next 2-3 months. The GPU rig would require about 6-9 months to break even - maybe 3-4 months if mining doge, having BTC value rebound, and considering a 50% resale value on the components to gamers.


Buy quality PSU from companies like corsair/seasonic/OCZ. $40/ea implies generic worthless junk. Probably nil stability on 12v lines or will fail quickly.

For the upper CPU price you list, you could almost get the better http://ark.intel.com/products/77775/

Depending on retail prices, might be cheaper to get non-X card variety, which can be bios modded to run at ~1100 mV to give 430-460 kh/s @ as low as 130 watts per card. Although mods like this could probably also be applied to X cards.

Refer my PM for cheaper risers.

Scrypt ASICs will be inherently limited by RAM - which was the original reason why scrypt was chosen? - which translates to very high purchasing prices for customers. I would say that we're going to see similar final ROI times between GPU and Scrypt ASIC. One is cheap but burns a lot of power, one uses nil power but capital is very high. Also in regards to your estimates, keep in mind that only a month or two ago ROI time for a rig like this would be 40-60 days. If markets rebound quickly and you are willing to wait without cashing out...  Cheesy

saw your PM - i actually ordered some ebay risers last week but at this point might still buy locally for $10 more just to get things going sooner than later.
on review of some other builds - it looks like going with a 4-slot mobo would be almost $100 less than a 6-slot variant, and that BAMT can run on only 1-2gb of ram (another $20 saved)

after some price checks, it looks like the local Tigerdirect actually has very good deals and is competitively priced against NCIX.ca and newegg.ca - They had about 12 of the Sapphire r9 270x in stock today (only 2-3 of the MSI 280x) at a recent price drop from 270->240. a few different guys in the store knew i was looking for mining gear before i even told them, and pointed out a few good mobo brands (in 6-slot flavors).

RONA has some amazing storage crates that are about 20% bigger than milk crates and I currently use some for holding 2 antminers + psu each. using one for a GPU rig would likely be pretty simple and extremely easy to stack.

few remaining questions:

1) AM3 vs 1150 vs 1155? It looks like these all offer similar benefits, but AM3 seems to be about 10-20% cheaper for both the mobo and the CPUs
2) any issues i might run into using zipties to support the cards and mobo? obviously i dont plan to let them be loose and swinging around, but without a GPU in fornt of me its difficult to visualize the tie-points i could/would use.
3) if using USB risers, should the mobo be vertical? most builds have the mobo flat but this seems like an invitation for dust buildup or for foreign object to land on the board and short something. with a crate, vertical orientation seems simple and better
4) anything else i should consider? Is it as simple as assembling the rig then booting it with a BAMT-loaded usb drive and then tweaking settings from there? do i need to run a monitor from the mobo or one of the GPUs and do i need dummy plugs?
2584  Other / Archival / Re: Pictures of your mining rigs! on: February 25, 2014, 10:43:49 PM
looking for a bit of a confirmation on a build before I go out and throw down $2000+ on it:

MSI Z87-G45 GAMING  ($160)
2*600W power supplies (full 600w on 12V) ($40 each BEFORE a $15 MIR)
cheap celeron processor (about $50-70)
2x2gb ram ($40)
6x Sapphire R9 270X dual-x  ($240 each)
6x usb risers ($25 each)

USB w/ BAMT
keyboard
mouse
monitor

Does this look like a good build? Ive read the sapphire cards can be pushed into the 450-480 khash range, so 2.7Mhash/s for about $2250. ($0.80/khash) I plan to use either a milkcrate or a shoerack and a few zipties to hold everything in place.

My biggest concern is of being late to the game. scrypt ASICs are close, and will offer about 1/10th the power draw. I expect these to roll-out on a large scale in the next 2-3 months. The GPU rig would require about 6-9 months to break even - maybe 3-4 months if mining doge, having BTC value rebound, and considering a 50% resale value on the components to gamers.

2585  Other / Archival / Re: Pictures of your mining rigs! on: February 22, 2014, 11:35:25 PM
Hey guys,

I show u my rig.



Specs:
Asrock FM2A55 PRO+
AMD A4-4000
G.Skill DDR3 1600 4GB
4x Sapphire 280x
1x Sapphire 7970
RM850
Nox Urano 850
VX550

Asus 990FX
AMD A4-4000
Kingston DDR3 1333 2Gb
5x Sapphire 280x
RM1000
TX750

Look good? Smiley

I am about to get a 6-card (sapphire R9 280x) rig put together this week, and right now am looking at about $3900 for all the parts (cards, risers, frame, corsair 1200i +850w PSUs, etc). Is this a good price, or should I be using a few lower-budget items?

Trying to figure out what the $/kh ratio is that people are looking for when they build a GPU farm.

also: is GPU mining going to be dead in 3 months when scrypt asics become the next big thing (gridseed is close, they just need to make a 40-chip board rather than the hokey 5-chip cylinders that cost more per khash)? or will there still be good profits in mining?  I am just worried that I will put $400 into it, make $1000 [profit] in 2 months, ASICS will come out, and I will make another $1000 in the following 3 months, then by the end of 6 months GPU mining is obsolete and I am left with a rig that has little if any resale worth.
2586  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Server Power Supply Interface Board - for standalone miners and GPU rigs on: February 22, 2014, 11:03:22 PM
are server supplies good for GPU use? I want to make sure its safe to do before i go wiring a hokey DPS-800GB into a valuable GPU rig
2587  Economy / Securities / Re: [PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] on: February 22, 2014, 03:44:16 PM
Oprogramowanie kopalni nie ma nic wspólnego z oprogramowaniem giełdy - więc argument bezpieczeństwa odpada.
W tym tygodniu podobno odbyło się spotkanie Leszka i Dave'a mieli omawiać też sprawy softu kopalni.
Nie bawią mnie plany zmiany softu za pół roku bo wtedy  kopanie (w tej kopalni)będzie już nieopłacalne.
Z moich obserwacji wynika że 500Th/s ma najmniejsze szczęście w całym systemie lub (nie posądzam nikogo) bloki są upłynniane gdzie indziej(?).
Dave pisał już dawno temu że pracuje nad statystykami a'la Slush, moim zdaniem wystarczy przerobić istniejące statystyki dodać do każdej linijki adres portfela na którym kopie dany sprzęt i wszystko będzie czytelne.
Czekam na aktualny raport ze spotkania.


ps. Jeżeli ktoś może to niech przetłumaczy na Angielski.

I don't understand that much polish - you gotta post english on an english forum
2588  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Server Power Supply Interface Board - for standalone miners and GPU rigs on: February 22, 2014, 03:36:40 PM
Hey!

I'm reading this topic almost since begginig of it.
I have bought DPS-1200BB, which will be used for GPU mining. I assume you all are talking about ASIC mining here, correct?

After reading your debate i got confused about wiring. Does ASIC miners need more current then GPU? Because 8pin connectors with wires that i bought got 3x 20AWG (cables are 30cm long (12inches)...
Is this enough?

The boards sold here to work with the server PSUs could be used for either GPU or ASIC mining.  I believe its a toss up in terms of which draws more power GPU/ASIC due to the hacks and overclocking mods now on some ASICS that allow for more power/performance use.

If you are considering GPU mining I would suggest that you have at a minimum 18AWG wire in runs of less than 2ft.  From my understanding the cables sold here are 14 or 16AWG which yields more safety headroom.

20AWG cables are unsafe - you should not attempt to run more than 200W through a single 20AWG PCI-e lead, even then they will get warm.
18AWG will be safe for closer to 250-300W
16AWG is what you should use for high-end GPUs, can safely run 300W through a 6/8-pin PCI-e
2589  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Overclock the Antminer S1 to 200GH/s] The EASY way! on: February 22, 2014, 04:42:12 AM
Yup surprised because overclocking isn't a problem. these are only 360w max draw at 360w isn't 40 amps Smiley

whatever i'll let you overspend on your psu, takes longer for your ROI then.

I run mine just near 400mhz

Overclocked the blades use 12v at 30a  - watts what is watts ?? something to buy lightbulbs with ?

AMPS are the important part of the equation. watts is something that combines all the rails into a total.

30A per miner S1 system.

Everything will work with NO issues.

no way - look back through this thread and it is clear - while these can draw as little as 360W, most power supplies with under 400W for stock speeds or 450W for overclocking will simply cause errors such as reboots, chips marked with 'x', or inconsistent hashspeeds.
2590  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [New Electrical!] Klondike Mining Collective - Toronto, Ontario Mining Facility on: February 21, 2014, 11:29:18 PM
With the right effort and the right team this won't be a bunch of numbnutz just slapping it together. There is a lot more going for projects like this than you can estimate when looking at the first plan. I would seriously look into the use of systems like what  ASICminer built in Hong Kong for cooling using Novec etc. There might also be ASIC fabricators that will produce units that are more suited to this in the coming months. I wish you guys the best. Wish I was still up in Barrie I'd be down the 400 in heartbeat to help out and invest!

I think we are still 6-12 months away from any reliable immersion/2-phase solutions for bitcoin that do not cost an arm and a leg to cool technology with only a short useful lifespan.

I'd agree. The WPC are keen on being there with something that would make that "lifespan" less of a concern both in cooling and miners.

Im definitely keeping an eye on the WPC. Ive got a fat mining wallet right now and am waiting for someone to bring a product at a leading price point (Bitmain at 1.45BTC is no longer relevant - should be 1.2BTC). 

I am hopeful that a local fab in TO or Montreal can produce what we put out there as open source. Less delay is the key in this game.

I don't know of anyone at the moment - local production costs can be pretty high compared with overseas options.. However, if someone does setup in Ontario they should let me know Smiley
2591  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Announcement: Bitmain launches AntMiner solution, 0.68 J/GH on chip on: February 21, 2014, 11:18:36 PM
Anybody have problems with their AntMiner Just shutting itself off Randomly ?? 



sounds like a faulty or underpowered psu.  Is your ant overclocked?  and what is your psu that you are using for it?

My First Unit was a 600 Watt one ...

my Any is not Over clocked at all

The new Power Supply is a Coolmax  ZU-700B   700 Watt



Have you tried putting a +5v load on it?  I have that PSU (coolmax zu-700b) and it requires a +5v load to stay running.  I connected an old CDROM drive to mine and it runs 24/7 just fine.


Connected a CDROM drive to it and comes up mines for like 5 minutes and still shuts itself off ...  I took the power supply from a Scrypt mining box we upgraded and it ran fine in there ,  Unless the ANT is defective then im like not so sure about shipping to China .

It sure sounds like a PSU problem.  In the Setup & Troubleshoot guide, scroll down to the Troubleshooting section and follow the steps in bullet point 3 to make sure the PSU is setup/connected correctly and to test each blade individually.  If each blade runs fine by itself then it's a PSU issue according to the guide.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344970.msg3696062#msg3696062


Well ... So i decided last night to try something and it seems to work at least for the last 12 hours ,  I hooked a mother board up to the power supply also ..  and put it in bios ,  Now its staying on ..   Weird but hopefully this works long term !

 Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

Did you not do the jump wire trick?


+1  Huh Shocked

all you need is a paperclip or other 0.5" wire to short the PS-ON function to have the powersupply operate without a mobo
2592  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [New Electrical!] Klondike Mining Collective - Toronto, Ontario Mining Facility on: February 21, 2014, 03:56:38 PM
With the right effort and the right team this won't be a bunch of numbnutz just slapping it together. There is a lot more going for projects like this than you can estimate when looking at the first plan. I would seriously look into the use of systems like what  ASICminer built in Hong Kong for cooling using Novec etc. There might also be ASIC fabricators that will produce units that are more suited to this in the coming months. I wish you guys the best. Wish I was still up in Barrie I'd be down the 400 in heartbeat to help out and invest!

I think we are still 6-12 months away from any reliable immersion/2-phase solutions for bitcoin that do not cost an arm and a leg to cool technology with only a short useful lifespan.

I'd agree. The WPC are keen on being there with something that would make that "lifespan" less of a concern both in cooling and miners.

Im definitely keeping an eye on the WPC. Ive got a fat mining wallet right now and am waiting for someone to bring a product at a leading price point (Bitmain at 1.45BTC is no longer relevant - should be 1.2BTC). 
2593  Other / Archival / Re: [NEW] Avalon 28nm Spec 1Th/s Box to 1.9Th/s ? [Ships March] on: February 21, 2014, 03:46:20 PM
what a stupid case, totally waste of space

they could have made it a bit longer,
and put both psus on the side

or just use a freakin server psu... gosh

...and make the psu hot swappable.

this. Have 2  hot-swap bays for common 600-800W server power supplies.
2594  Economy / Securities / Re: [PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] on: February 21, 2014, 03:42:58 PM
The mine has consistently performed below the expected hashrate.
That's not true. 500TH/28000TH*6*24*25=64.2BTC/day, or ~2.5 blocks/day.
So if we do 3 blocks/day we do better than the expected:
02-20 1
02-19 2
02-18 1
02-17 2
02-16 5
02-15 2
02-14 3
02-13 2
On average 18/8=2.25block/day.
Two days were better than expected, so your statement of consistently below the expected is wrong.


^what? Your logic is not very solid.

He was stating that the average hashrates (3 and 7 day periods) are both trailing under 500GH, closer to 430-450GH.

According to YOUR math, Its actually >2.568 blocks/day that should be found, especially if the mine actually hit the 1GH/share mentioned in a recent update (in which case, closer to 2.59 blocks/day - but lets use your numbers....

ACTUAL/EXPECTED = 2.25/2.568 = 87.62%       

over the past 18 days, the 500TH mine has been operating at 13% less than the expectations - this is pretty massive seperation
2595  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [New Electrical!] Klondike Mining Collective - Toronto, Ontario Mining Facility on: February 21, 2014, 03:34:04 PM
With the right effort and the right team this won't be a bunch of numbnutz just slapping it together. There is a lot more going for projects like this than you can estimate when looking at the first plan. I would seriously look into the use of systems like what  ASICminer built in Hong Kong for cooling using Novec etc. There might also be ASIC fabricators that will produce units that are more suited to this in the coming months. I wish you guys the best. Wish I was still up in Barrie I'd be down the 400 in heartbeat to help out and invest!

I think we are still 6-12 months away from any reliable immersion/2-phase solutions for bitcoin that do not cost an arm and a leg to cool technology with only a short useful lifespan.
2596  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [New Electrical!] Klondike Mining Collective - Toronto, Ontario Mining Facility on: February 21, 2014, 03:32:04 PM
More amateurs trying to mine in a warehouse; when will you clowns learn? The rest of the world has already figured out how to do efficient power and cooling; and they can deliver it with a critical environment team that guarantees uptime and redundancy for power and cooling.  And thanks to efficiencies it costs about the same.... go with bullshit solutions and next thing you know dust and heat are going to fuck up your gear. 20kw? Are you fucking kidding me? We have nearly that much in just one cabinet. Your POE numbers in the back of a warehouse are going to suck, you'll end up spending 3x your net power cost from the utility once you try to cool things properly.  Sorry to shit on your thread, but seriously take a hard look at real datacenters.

Its funny then that your hosted groupbuys are so expensive - I guess you must be making a lot of profit on that.

This is a step up from mining at home. commercial power costs and availability, 600V A/C system, and the benefits of getting equipment out of your house where it is going to get VERY hot and noisy in the next 4 months are all motivators for me.

I looked at co-location. What I found was that I could (if lucky) fit about 10kW of equipment into a rack based on the antminer power use and size, and at a cost higher then the rent for this small farm. I will have lots of space - equal to 3-5 racks - plus lots of power. I also have people on-site who can perform basic upkeep and the location is pretty accessible for me to do larger adjustments.

This location may just be the first step. If 20kW of power capacity is reached - either a new transformer will go in for pretty small cost, or I will start looking at getting a private building with >80kW capacity - possibly even in another province where power costs are 30-60% less than Ontario.

Not sure why your very negative outlook on this - at 20kW it is a short-term solution (4-9 months before power capacity is reached and a fund is started towards another location and more equipment) and will act as a test-bed for a lot of things that could not be done in a residential location where <5kW can be reliably accessed without major work.   If you have been following some of bobsag3's work with an american industrial building converted to run a few dozen TH along one wall you might better understand my thoughts.
2597  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Setup & Troubleshoot] Bitmain AntMiner S1 180GH/S miner on: February 21, 2014, 05:35:29 AM

----------------------------------------------------
Now my real Question.

1) My Internet Router is the default gateway 192.168.1.1, where all my PCs, Phones, TV set tops are connected to.

2) My New AntMiner has label said - 192.168.2.99, so how do I connect to it?
Do I need a 2nd router to do this?

3) If I don't need 2nd router, then if I can use the direct connection using network cable, one cable end to my PC, another end to AntMiner and both will be configured in 192.168.2.xx subnet?

Help and Thanks.

1.Unplug your laptop from your lan and change the ip settings to the same subnet as your miner.
-done
2.Plug your laptop into your miner
-done
3.Log into the miner and change the ip settings to the settings on your lan.
-My problem is at this step, media/cable unplugged and I can't ping or open miner login page.

4.plug your miner into your lan

5.change the settings on your laptop back to the subnet for your lan

6.plug your laptop back into your lan

7.log into the miner on your lan and finish the setup

I am at step 3 above, media/cable unplugged and can't connect/ping the miner.
What's next?

go to network adapters -> ethernet -> ipv4 properties -> set the laptop ip as 192.168.2.201 and gateway as 192.168.2.1   connect the laptop and miner directly with a single ethernet cord. go to 192.168.2.99 in browser and then change the antminer settings
2598  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: BITMAIN Antminer support and OverClocking thread on: February 21, 2014, 05:31:00 AM
I got a problem when i was rearranging the antminers to get better airflow one of the small parts fell off
Sadly it looks like it never was soldered firm on the board
I have not even touch those at all i was just replacing the ant thats all
Can i solder it myself or do i risk damaging some nearby part if i do.
I only have a simple small solder tool which i used when i made my own flip flop boards back in the previous century

Or do i need to contact bitmain to replace it ?

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0gji2e3esl9wqlr/p4YfvMrtN4

Mine did the same thing. I soldered it back on and everything worked perfect. :-)

Its an easy fix at any electronics place. going somewhere that does cellphone repairs of PS3/xbox modding will help you find someone with the precision soldering skills to fix it up fast, as long as there are still contacts on the capacitor.

Unless you are VERY good with a soldering gun, take it to someone who is. Its not worth botching a $10 job and wrecking your antminer totally
2599  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Two-tier open-air case for Gridseed miners on: February 21, 2014, 05:28:10 AM
This doesnt make much sense to me - the manufacturer will probably have a single-board, 40-chip design soon enough that is a lot more stand-alone then a ton of little cylindrical heatsinks
I'm not a fan of these miners either, but I've been asked to create a case to help organize the cable mess that these inevitably create.   Grin

You did a good job of that Smiley     
2600  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [New Electrical!] Klondike Mining Collective - Toronto, Ontario Mining Facility on: February 21, 2014, 05:22:05 AM
Got a good quote finally for electrical work, should be just under $1000 all said-and-done to install 100A of 120V power and 60A of 208V. Its expected that 18-22kW of this capacity will be available from the main transformer without interfering with the host business.

The outlets will be put in place Tuesday, and at the same time I will get some of my own initial hashrate in place and make sure the network is configured correctly. I promise to bring back some photos of the available area, the new power connections, and some of the initial hashrate going live. I plan to move in my full 1.67 TH by the end of the week.
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