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261  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Virtual Community Exchange w/ Options, DRIP, 2FA, API, CSV, etc. on: July 17, 2013, 11:41:05 PM
Why is there a delayed "manual withdrawal" requirement for trivial withdrawal amounts?

"Trival" amounts are doubled when you use 2FA.
I'll echo Burnside here: You don't want security?


If we've being charged above and beyond the normal amount for "network fees" shouldn't we have quicker withdraws or at least a sense of when our withdrawal will be initiated/done?

You are charged exact network fees for your withdraw. However, the system reserves a larger amount in case the fees are bigger than normal.
262  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC and BF] MININGCO.ETF - Mining Company ETF on: July 17, 2013, 10:51:54 PM
Total dividends of 0.69758089 will be paid this week.

This is about 0.00279032 per share with an instant annual dividend yield of 7.45%

The price of bASIC-MINING has exploded with the addition of 4 BFL 60GH/s ASIC devices. More mining devices are one the way.


The price of Cognitive has exploded with the addition of 2 Avalon ASIC devices. More devices are on the way

Nasty is dipped slightly, but still expecting additional BFL devices.

GMP is still waiting on their trade-in Avalon.

This has caused the NAV per share to increase to BTC1.95



Future Outlook - My guess as to what's to come.

Creativex is doing a fantastic job with bASIC-MINING. Right now he is traveling to pick up a BFL mini-rig which will effectively double the hash power of bASIC-MINING. This is a stock only transaction. So there will be some dilution of dividends but the hash power more then makes up for it. Plus, bASIC-MINING still hash tons of BTC to purchase additional equipment.

Garret is doing what he can to get ASIC devices in.
Also using stock only transaction, he acquired 2 Avalons with a third on the way. And we are still waiting on BFL to deliver the original 60GH/s devices.




MiningCo.ETF is available on BTCT.co and as a pass-through on BitFunder.
263  Other / Archival / Re: btt on: July 17, 2013, 10:23:31 PM
Fun and lucrative...shouldn't you be getting close to an on-paper fiat millionaire?

Well, if anyone really wants to know (and because it will embarrass creativex, plus I can get away with it because he's traveling right now) here are the numbers in his local fiat (USD):

10000 shares * BTC0.71393 (24hr avg share prices) * ~$92 (24hr avg Gox) = $661,838.80

This number does not include any dividends that holding 20% of the virtual stock would give him.

I'd say he's done a great job for less than a year's work.




In before he comes back with 3 minig rigs, 7 avalons and 5 singles


LOL  Cheesy
264  Other / Archival / Re: btt on: July 13, 2013, 02:27:26 AM
First, great work on the additional units. OgNasty had to strip off the cases of the BLFs for additional cooling. Also, naked devices make for great mining rig pr0n.  Wink
If you decide to take off the cases, watch out: it's sharp.


I've altered our pool balance to incorporate the BFL units.

I suggest throwing a slice at Horrible Horrendous Terrible Tremendous mining pool.

After thinking it over.... nah, I really think it's worth doing this time.
265  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC and BF] MININGCO.ETF - Mining Company ETF on: July 10, 2013, 11:00:01 PM
Total dividends of 0.55283631 will be paid this week.

This is about 0.00240364 per share with an instant annual dividend yield of 10.23%

Most of our underlying assets are remaining steady while bASIC-MINING has continued to rise on news of adding a third Avalon device.

This has caused the NAV per share to increase to BTC1.22



Future Outlook - My guess as to what's to come.

bASIC-MINING has added yet another Avalon to their ASIC Armada. This brings them up to three and will also bring up our dividends.
Cognitive announced a plan to acquire 2 Avalons in exchange for offering shares. Garret knows that Cognitive desperately needs help, since they are still waiting on BFL.
GMP, we are waiting for your ASIC.

I added the "instant annual dividend yield" to the Dividends section on the spreadsheet. You can check back from time-to-time and watch it start from 0% and go up as dividends are collected during the week.

It looks like our own motion to change the asset contract to allow additional asset classes will fail. I take responsibility for not fully conveying the ideas covered in the motion and not spreading the word enough.
Perhaps we can bring up the idea again at a later date. And I hope that more shareholders will vote. This is your BTC, you have a say in how well we can diversify it.




MiningCo.ETF is available on BTCT.co and as a pass-through on BitFunder.
266  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC and BF] MININGCO.ETF - Mining Company ETF on: July 10, 2013, 10:19:36 PM
You could have communicated it on Bitfunder, maybe. Or present a dummys guide on how to vote, possibly.

I'll have to look into this next time.


Hmm looking through my email it looks like I didn't get an email when the motion was created.  I have in the past for other issues and I get them for dividends.

This is unusual.

Well, in the future, I'll be sure to post "News" items about motions on both exchanges. The "news" item on btct.co makes a new email. This is why I have never used that feature (because I feel like I would be spamming).


This is the best investment fund in Bitcoin. I love it, thank you for your management services.

Well, aside from this most recent voting snafu. Thanks for the kind words.
267  Economy / Securities / Re: [NastyFans.org] NASTY MINING - Now ASIC/GPU mining BTC/LTC/NMC/FTC/IXC/DVC! on: July 10, 2013, 10:14:00 PM
I support the 0.9% fee too for continued development of P2Pool, but I wonder how that works. I need to look more into p2pool.

The fee is user configurable (when you setup the P2Pool node) and can be set to whatever you want (even 0).
The fee is sent to the P2Pool developer's (forrestv) BTC address.
268  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC and BF] MININGCO.ETF - Mining Company ETF on: July 09, 2013, 11:06:00 PM
Wow... with about 24 hours left in the current motion vote, only 64 out of 230 votes have been counted.

Obviously I have let down the shareholders in communication somewhere.

I need your help. How can I reach more shareholder so that they know they can vote? I am not particularly fond of the "news" feature that btct.co has. Some asset managers like to spam with it. Besides, the motion itself sent an email to all shareholders (or it should have). Did you receive it the motion email?

What else could I have done to get more share holders to vote?
269  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC and BF] MININGCO.ETF - Mining Company ETF on: July 07, 2013, 07:01:05 AM
"people who only have risky preorders" accounted for all of our underlying assets until ASICminer shares were purchased

It's true, all of our underlying assets had ASIC pre-orders since MiningCo.ETF's inception. But that is not entirely the reason of why those assets were included in the fund. It is because they were shown to have stability, and a proven track record of timely dividends.
This will continue to be the number one selection criteria for this fund. As such, most (if not all) brand new mining assets will automatically be excluded until they produce dividends, and show that they can continue to produce dividends. This conservative nature of MiningCo.ETF helps it avoid most of the drama surrounding new assets.

I get the point of the change, but I think the new writing is much more confusing.

You don't get why the motion was brought up? Or what the changes of the motion are?
If the language of the motion is confusing, then please refer to the motion summary. The motion summary explains all the changes proposed.


Also I'm not sure I understand why Nastyfans does not qualify under current terms.

As explained in one of my previous posts, Nasty Fans (originally Nasty MINING) restructured how it operates and no longer states that "mining equipment is owned by the shareholders."
270  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC and BF] MININGCO.ETF - Mining Company ETF on: July 03, 2013, 08:50:09 PM
You fat fingered sheet two cell A7 Wink

 Whoops!  Embarrassed

I got the day and month backwards. Fixed.  Thanks.
271  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC and BF] MININGCO.ETF - Mining Company ETF on: July 03, 2013, 06:38:00 PM
Total dividends of 0.3916489 will be paid this week.

This is about 0.00170282 per share with an instant annual dividend yield of 7.32%


All assets have risen dramatically (except GMP) since the ASIC devices have shown up in our underlying stocks (except GMP and Cognitive).

This has caused the NAV per share to increase to BTC1.21


A Motion has opened for MiningCo.ETF. Please read carefully and vote.


Future Outlook - My guess as to what's to come.

Nasty Fans just got a major shipment of BFL ASIC devices. This should help our dividends for next week.
GMP and Cognitive are still waiting for ASIC deliveries. "Soon," I guess.



MiningCo.ETF is available on BTCT.co and as a pass-through on BitFunder.
272  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC and BF] MININGCO.ETF - Mining Company ETF on: July 03, 2013, 05:51:14 AM
Motion 1:  Yes!  Mining hardware becomes obsolete with increasing frequency, but growth funds remain forever green. 


Everyone please comment on proposed Motion text (below).

Bitfunder shareholders: After asking in #bitfunder IRC, I found out that Bitfunder does not have the capability for me to submit a Motion. However, if you would like to send a Bitcoin Signed message (signed with your public BTC address used in the public Bitfunder Asset list) with your vote and PM it to me, that will have to do.
The majority of the Bitfunder votes will determine how the "escrow" account votes.

The motion will be up for vote on btct.co when I do my weekly dividend update.


Motion 2:  Yes!  10:1 split is fine. 


Split will be on hold for now.



Motion 3:  Yes!  We should buy Carnth several beers of high quality as a token of our gratitude for a job well done.


Cheesy Thanks for the kind words.
And if anyone really wants to buy me a beer, send BTC to my personal btct.co account: Carnth
I'll take "high quality" beer suggestions too. Most votes=the beer I get.


Feature request:  make another version of the spreadsheet that auto-updates in real time.  Our NAV is through the roof ATM but can I be arsed to math it myself?  No.  Ain't nobody got time for that.   Cheesy

I'll get my crack team of developers on that. But first, I'll need a crack team of developers.





Motion to change the asset contract.

Motion summary:
Removal of the clauses that requires mining equipment to be owned by the shareholders, but require that underlying assets have and maintian a growth/reinvestment fund.
This will allow the inclusion of additional mining assets into the fund.
Enhanced HTML formatting will allow for easier readability by adding bold, italics, and proper word-wrapping.



Motion Changes:

Change this sentence from the paragraph "Summary"
From: "MININGCO.ETF is an Exchange Traded Fund that holds assets that are invested in mining Bitcoins where mining equipment is owned by the shareholders."

To: "MININGCO.ETF is an Exchange Traded Fund that holds assets that are invested in mining Bitcoins."

--

Change this sentence from "Assets to be included,"
From: "Only mining assets where equipment is owned by the shareholders will be included in the fund."

To: "Only mining assets where a growth or reinvestment clause will be included in the fund."
--

Change this sentence from the "Executive Summary" on the asset details page
From: "Only mining companies where the shareholders own the equipment are included."

To: "Only mining assets where a growth or reinvestment clause will be included."

--

Change this sentence from the the "Business Description"
From: "Only mining assets where equipment is owned by the shareholders will be included in the fund."

To: "Only mining assets where a growth or reinvestment clause will be included in the fund."

--

Allow the asset contract to be updated with enhanced html formatting, a feature of BTC-TC that was implemented after this asset was created.
273  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCT.CO][LTC-GLOBAL] Crypto-trade.com : IPO started! on: July 03, 2013, 04:06:34 AM
i have added all traded coins on crypto-trade.com to the charts at www.cryptocoincharts.info

Excellent. This is good news.

Just a few weird display errors on crpytocoincharts.info:
BTC/USD shows price as BTC (instead of USD)
LTC/USD shows price as BTC (instead of USD)
BTC/EUR shows price as BTC (instead of EUR)
NMC/USD shows price as BTC ....... ..... etc. etc. etc.


274  Other / Archival / Re: btt on: July 01, 2013, 07:49:49 PM
Seems like our ASICMiner investment is doing okay... Shocked

Just because it's now at 4.5+ BTC for every share that we have? It's doing marginal at best.



 Cheesy



<personal opinion>BTW, I still think we should send "some love" to HHTT mining pool. They've been getting slightly over 1 block per day.
And hey.. it's fireduck!

After thinking it over: Maybe that is still too much variance since you pay divs daily.
275  Economy / Securities / Re: NASTY MINING's 60GH/s ASIC Miners have arrived!!! on: June 29, 2013, 11:57:54 PM
Perhaps tomorrow (or soon) I'll post some miner pr0n.

Yes!  Grin
276  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC and BF] MININGCO.ETF - Mining Company ETF on: June 29, 2013, 11:56:17 PM
Thanks for all the feedback.

It has been decided: I will be raising a motion to change the contract to allow funds that have a growth/reinvestment plan.

I will be working on the wording of the motion to change the contract and put it up as soon as possible.

There may be a little snafu involved with the Bitfunder pass-through when voting. Let me explain:
Btct.co is the "main" exchange where all MiningCo.ETF shares are held. The Bitfunder shares are held in "escrow" in a separate btct.co account.
This allows a correct "Shares outstanding" count on the MiningCo.ETF asset of btct.co.
When the motion is raised all shares held for Bitfunder in the "escrow" account on btct.co will vote either all yes or all no.
I think I'm going to have to get the majority of votes from Bitfunder and then what ever the results are, have the "escrow" account vote 100% either yes or no.




I suggest we re-balance by taking some profit on BASIC and getting more GMP.  Sell this blow-off top and go where the growth is!

GMP is still on the table. It hasn't had a purchase for our fund in a long while, but the plan is to add more.


I'm not sure if a split is necessary just yet, but if it got to 2-2.5btc/share, maybe reconsider then?


You might be right. Plus, Bitfunder adds just one more layer of complexity for a split. (Does Bitfunder support splits?)



First off, I wanna say great job on this fund  Grin

Thanks for the kind words.


The 7 day moving average to find the NAV USED to work great. 
...
The end result has been a very slow NAV correction. 
...
This is because the 7 day NAV isn't enough funds to acquire current priced shares.
The missing btc has to be coming outta the funds portion maybe not directly but indirectly correct?


This is all correct. People who buy into the fund before the share price is corrected don't really "get a deal" because the purchasing power of the fund is diminished--just as you said.
The end result is that the entire fund has an overall lower NAV than if the shares were sold at "real time" prices. Maybe a by 1 or 2 percent.


if I wanted to move a PT share on bitfunder to be with my shares on BTC-TC is there anyway to move my pt share to BTC-TC? 


Yes. You can move your shares either way between btct.co or Bitfunder. Send me a PM and we can set it up.
277  Economy / Securities / Re: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract! Cognitive Resurrected on [BTC-TC] on: June 27, 2013, 08:08:55 PM
  We should be investing our reserve coins rather then just having them sit idle. 


Buying mining equipment is investing.

So I say yes.

278  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC and BF] MININGCO.ETF - Mining Company ETF on: June 27, 2013, 07:59:21 PM
Looks like all issued shares on BTC-TC are sold.   Grin
Imagine that. Cheesy


Yeah.... imagine.  Cheesy


MiningCo.ETF actually has an excess of cash right now. This is why no new shares are currently up for sale (BitFunder has 10 left).
New shares will be put up for sale after more shares underlying assets are added to the fund.

Also, I have a little hesitancy using all our cash to purchase share of funds that we already have. If we pass a motion that would allow new underlying assets (like HIM), I would want to use the cash for that. See more about what I think of the motion below.

Great job on the fund Carnth. Very nice spreadsheet layout...complete with graph pr0n!
Grin

And good job on bASIC-MINING. 2 Avalons in less than 7 days. Wow.


<Self congratulation>MiningCo.ETF now has over 200 shares outstanding. We broke BTC1 NAV per share which means we got our two bagger.</congratulations>


I've been considering the motion to include more high quality mining assets. Of course we will stay away from PMBs. But the language of the motion will need to be correct to make sure of this.

I think the number one thing that helps mining assets maintain there value is the inclusion of some kind of reinvestment or growth.

Give me your thoughts on a motion to remove the clause "where the equipment is owned by shareholders" and instead use "where the asset includes a growth/reinvestment fund for the purchase of new equipment on an ongoing basis."

I want to get the wording correct. Let me know what you think.

While we are talking about motions. What about our own stock split. MiningCo.ETF has always been a "higher" priced fund. But is 1+ BTC too high? Would you vote for a split? What ratio? 2:1?  4:1?  10:1?
279  Economy / Securities / Re: [NastyFans.org] NASTY MINING - ASICs are here! on: June 26, 2013, 10:49:30 PM
Lets hope the price per share jumps up... a lot Smiley
It has already. And I think you mean... price per "seat."  Wink
280  Other / Archival / Re: btt on: June 26, 2013, 07:50:32 PM
You'll exclude the ASICMINER-PT dividends and continue to do a 100% pass through on those?

Absolutely.

Do we still need the AM-PT? I admit it's very nice. At what point should we look at trading them for more hardware?
When the third Avalon is delivered?

I'm just asking for thoughts.
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