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261  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: When is the last coin mined? on: March 17, 2015, 03:49:27 AM
So if the rewards for a miner is only the transaction fees (which we assume will be decreased further) then the price of bitcoin would have to be really high relative to today's in order for mining to be profitable? What sorts of price levels would we be talking about?

The default transaction fee can be adjusted as the value of BTC dips and rises. If the BTC price drops to $10, it could be made higher. If it skyrockets, it could be made lower. Furthermore, what we call the "default transaction fee" isn't really enforced on a protocol level. It's just the fee that is recommended by the reference client and you can choose to include a higher or lower fee with your transactions if that is what you prefer. Miners aren't tied to it either as they can choose to reject transactions with a fee less than x BTC where the value of x may or may not be the default transaction fee.

The price of a single bitcoin in terms of fiat shouldn't make a difference as to whether or not mining for transaction fees is profitable. If the BTC price is low, a miner might get 0.5 BTC (maybe worth $10) from fees. If the BTC price is high, the same miner might get 0.0005 BTC (still worth $10) instead.

Mining works in a way that if it's too unprofitable and too many people start leaving, then the difficulty will adjust so that mining becomes easier. If it's too profitable and too many people start entering, then the difficulty will adjust so that mining becomes harder.
262  Economy / Economics / Re: What do you think: Digitalising fiat currencies on: March 17, 2015, 03:28:31 AM
Is there any project trying to merge blockchain technology with fiat money ? Digital dollar bills in fact ...

There has been some discussion lately about a proposed altcoin called Fedcoin which would fit that description:

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=984823

Quote from: Diginomics
Why a Federal Cryptocurrency?

Think of it as digital cash, just like like Bitcoin but without the volatility. It would be a payment system where you can send dollars to anyone else with a Fedcoin wallet in seconds for a very low fee.

The idea isn't completely without merit since users of such a coin would benefit from decreased volatility while leveraging the power of the blockchain that makes cheap and near-instant transactions possible. While it would be competing with Bitcoin, it would also make fiat-BTC conversions much easier since both coins would exist in the form of trustless code. Those who already dislike fiat will obviously reject its blockchain version too and I know most people around here aren't big fans of fiat so the negative reaction to the idea isn't surprising.

Then there are also altcoins and crypto assets which are designed to closely track the value of USD. Examples include BitUSD (BitShares), Nubits (NuShares/Peershares/Peercoin), and CoinoUSD (NXT - redeemable for real USD at Coinomat).
263  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: When is the last coin mined? on: March 17, 2015, 02:50:08 AM
Ahh okay. So how will transactions work then, if there isn't any mining? Will it all take longer because there will be no more confirmations or will it work in a different manner?

There will be mining for as long as Bitcoin exists. New blocks will still be added to the blockchain every 10 minutes on average. The difference is that instead of mining for newly generated bitcoins, miners would be mining for transaction fees instead. Just like today, miners with more hashing power will solve more blocks and miners with less hashing power will solve less blocks. Today, the block reward consists of 25 newly generated bitcoins and the miner gets a few extra (e.g. 0.5 BTC) from transaction fees. In about a year or two from now, it will be 12.5 BTC plus transaction fees. Then a few more years later, it will be 6.25 BTC plus transaction fees and so on.

We don't know what the Bitcoin economy will look like two or three decades from now when the generation of new coins becomes insignificant due to continued block reward halvings or whether or not the model of mining for transaction fees is even viable at all although a few altcoins have tried to replicate the experiment. Premine (PMC) is/was one of them:

Premine, also known as PMC, is an alternate cryptocurrency that is defying normal convention in its method of mining and distribution. While some coins are mined, or earn you interest, Premine is exclusively redistributed by its users, and block rewards are generated only by network transaction fees...

...Premine is setting out to prove that cryptographic currency can continue long after the minting process has ended, making it not only a fascinating glimpse into the future of Bitcoin, but also a viable and stable alternative that thanks to its low total supply of less than 500,000 coins, allows each coin to store a great amount of wealth. This makes PMC an excellent alternative store of money. To say Premine is the future of Bitcoin isn’t far from the truth.

Will Bitcoin be able to survive once the minting of new coins has ended? Nobody knows. PMC started with a market cap of zero. Bitcoin currently has a market cap in excess of $8 Billion USD. Already suffering from volatile pricing, we may discover that Bitcoin might not survive this transition, and that no coin with such a high market cap ever could. In this sense Premine is also future-proof, having avoided this hazardous transition phase altogether.

Unfortunately, it failed:

So... How profitable was (is?) mining PMC for transaction fees anyway?

I've been semi-following this coin for a while and I know PMC was designed as an experiment to see what the future Bitcoin economy might look like once all coins have been fully mined and whether or not a community of miners can be supported solely through transaction fees alone so I'm interested to see how the experiment turned out now that it's coming to a close.

Well, I can tell you the result of that experiment. It turns out people are greedy bastards, and do not pay transaction fees unless they are forced to by the client. Even when PMC was quite popular, and worth quite a lot, it was impossible to get any profit from mining. Transactions with thousands of PMC didn't even have 0.1 PMC in fee.

I have been mining PMC from the start, and have been losing money on it from the start as well.
264  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: When is the last coin mined? on: March 17, 2015, 02:13:25 AM
Also, will the transaction fee remain at the standard 0.0001 BTC? (Was it even always like this back in the early days?) If so, that could become quite a sum to pay for a transaction. And is there a limit to how low the block reward can be? Because if there isn't wouldn't that mean that the cost of a transaction is greater than the reward per block?

You can send a transaction without paying a fee if you wanted to although it might take longer to confirm or not happen at all (and the coins will be returned to you). The default transaction fee used by the reference client was already lowered once in the past from 0.0005 BTC to 0.0001 BTC in May 2013 so it should be easy to change it in the event of a significant increase in BTC price:

Quote from: Gavin Andresen
0.8.2 Release notes

Fee Policy changes

The default fee for low-priority transactions is lowered from 0.0005 BTC (for each 1,000 bytes in the transaction; an average transaction is about 500 bytes) to 0.0001 BTC.

Link: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=219504

EDIT: And the original default transaction fee was actually 0.001 BTC back when 1 BTC was worth cents.
265  Other / Meta / Re: change name/delete account on: March 17, 2015, 12:54:10 AM
You can't change your username (unless you pay ridiculously high amount for Donator/VIP status), you can't delete your account. Just dump this account and make new one or leave if your intention is that.

crazy!!!!  ty for the quick response- time for a new account and hope this one gets burried Wink

My advice is let this account active and then when the rank have a reach member, sell your account Cheesy

For the OP to reach member status, they would need to make almost 50 more posts.

That being said, selling the account would be my recommendation too and the OP could do it right now if they wanted to. However, it would be smarter to sell it once they reach junior member status since prices for junior members are higher and the market for newbie accounts is very small. For the OP to reach junior member status, they will only need to make 11 more posts and because they posted across multiple activity periods and a new activity period will begin in a few hours from now, it should be achievable today. A junior member account can generally be sold for about 0.01 BTC.

Also, there have been very rare occasions where people have asked theymos to change their name and such a request was granted. But it's EXTREMELY rare and almost never guaranteed to happen. In cases where it did happen, they were usually long-established senior or hero accounts. Requests for minor changes such as adding or removing a character are also more likely to be successful.

Finally, the OP could donate 50 BTC to the forum and become a VIP. VIPs have the ability to change their usernames at will. TradeFortress did this and he changes his name occasionally.
266  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Let us define constructive posts (wrt DaDice signature campaign) on: March 17, 2015, 12:08:12 AM
I posted about this topic a few months ago and the responses I got were pretty interesting:

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=677129

Bitmixer.io automatically excludes posts that are under 75 characters in length although I believe it is the only one out there that has such a restriction. For any particular post, length is a poor-to-average indicator of constructiveness. For example, here is a post I made that was very short but reasonably constructive. The OP complained about the newbie posting limits and believed that their posts were getting discarded by the forum software. I was the first to reply that that this was not in fact true and showed them how to retrieve their posts by accessing the draft feature.

Post length becomes a better indicator of constructiveness once it is applied to posting history. Those with entire post histories that consist of short one or two sentence replies are highly likely to have their posts classed as unconstructive while the opposite is true for those who have a history of making lengthier posts.

As for some examples of highly constructive posts, here is one and here is another. Note that these posts manage to be constructive without being overly long.

For an automated solution, post length is probably the only realistic measure of constructiveness that we have today since machines currently lack the intelligence to classify posts based on their semantics and context within the overall thread.

While it might be more time-consuming for signature campaigns than the current system we have now, some form of automated method like the one Bitmixer.io currently uses combined with a manual method that roughly scans through users' posting histories and paying users in proportion to the constructiveness of their posts should be encouraged in my opinion - i.e. make lots of constructive posts and you will get paid more and spam the forums with one line posts that simply parrot whatever previous posts said and you will get paid less. Not only would the advertiser benefit but the system should, at least in theory, increase the average quality of posts across the board since it would provide an incentive for users to create higher quality posts.
267  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bits vs. Satoshi on: March 16, 2015, 11:34:43 PM
Neither 60k bits, 6,000 bits, nor 60 bits are worth one penny. One US penny is currently worth about 3,500 satoshis according to Preev. To convert that to bits, just chop off the two zeroes at the end - i.e. 35 bits.
268  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Coindesk Launches "Deals" BTC NOT ACCEPTED!! on: March 16, 2015, 10:46:44 PM
CoinTelegraph published an article about this on their site. It's likely that CoinDesk underestimated the community's reaction towards the irony of a BTC news site not accepting BTC (technically this isn't correct - see below) on their deals page:

http://cointelegraph.com/news/113674/coindesk-launches-deal-site-without-bitcoin-support

probably has to do with the fact their deals are not CoinDesk-owned products. They use a third party site which is not accepting BTC at all.

This is just a referral system, nothing more, nothing less.

This is true. In fact, the company they are using seems to be StackSocial. Thus, CoinDesk isn't actually selling anything. They are simply referring users to buy products from StackSocial and they get a small percentage of the profits of each sale. Technically since StackSocial is a Groupon-esque site, you could say that even they aren't really selling anything directly themselves either.

Quote from: CoinTelegraph
The use of StackCommerce also explains why CoinDesk Deals doesn't currently accept bitcoin. Since it is actually StackSocial that is selling the deals and not CoinDesk, it isn't up to CoinDesk. Until StackSocial accepts bitcoin in some fashion, neither can CoinDesk Deals.

A lot of people have already suggested using a solution like BitPay to protect against BTC volatility but the reality is that it's a bit more complicated than that. Some sort of agreement will probably need to happen between BitPay or Coinbase and StackSocial.
269  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: list of faucet sites? on: March 16, 2015, 09:39:12 PM
Well there is this link.

It's probably the closest thing to an official list around here since it's recommended by theymos:

I'm curious to know what sites they link to for getting "free bitcoins". If it's just faucets, then obtaining enough to pay the 0.07 BTC fee would take months, if not years.

It links to this topic:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74046.0
270  Economy / Service Announcements / WikiScams :: Information about Bitcoin and crypto scams on: March 16, 2015, 08:13:10 AM
I'm launching a new site called WikiScams.

I was reading dree12's thread about his research into Bitcoin heists and thought it might work nicely in a wiki-style format since it is rather long. The name was inspired by WikiLeaks.

It works the same way as Wikipedia basically. And anyone can create or modify an article. No accounts required (yet). The idea is that it should educate people and hopefully make scams less common. Since the site uses an open license, some of the info could probably be trimmed down and ported over to the official Bitcoin wiki too. I'll probably be moving over some of the content to separate articles in the next few days.

There are two articles at the moment: Stackcoin and dice.ninja. Pirate's ponzi should have its own article too. I'll write it tomorrow unless someone else wants to do it.

The URL is www.wikiscams.org.
271  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: In 2015, faucets are bad for bitcoin on: March 10, 2015, 09:31:30 PM
While I agree with this, we could also stretch it out to say that using coupons is a waste of time, that waiting for freebies is a waste, doing mail in rebates is a waste, etc. In all of these cases, you could be spending your time on something more valuable. The whole point is to have a relaxed method of earning (or saving), rather than doing "normal" work.

In my experience, you might get 10-20 cents per week from a faucet. Even using your analogy, I would say that spending a week to get a coupon that saves you 10 or 20 cents is not a good use of your time.

That being said, I'm guilty of using faucets myself although I just stick with Freebitco.in these days. They might have some limited value for paying transaction fees if you manage to save up enough and withdraw all of it at once, but I still think they're a waste of time.

False. Those pennies could be worth hundreds of dollars if it's held onto for a long period of time. 1 -  10 bitcoins used to be given out by faucets when bitcoin was first released.

It's an interesting theoretical exercise but nobody really knows if Bitcoin will reach $1 million or not and the question of whether or not it's a good idea to use faucets is debatable even if you are fairly certain that the BTC price will reach stratospheric levels. I posted an old topic about this very subject almost a year ago and the responses I got were pretty interesting:

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=720087

It's also unlikely that Bitcoin will be experiencing the same rate of growth that it had in 2009-2013. As I mentioned previously, going from a $4 million market cap to a $4 billion one is fairly easy. Going from a $4 billion market cap to a $4 trillion one is bloody hard. So you might have to wait decades before your 300 satoshis is enough to buy even a soda.
272  Other / Off-topic / Re: uTorrent EpicScale bitcoin miner on: March 10, 2015, 08:54:09 PM
Thank you OP for sharing such a useful information...
Though I would like to ask you one thing, that is it just EpicScale we should delete, or we need to get rid of uTorrent also?

I personally am a fan of uTorrent and I didn't ever think that why they would do that...

As you said, even due to this, my lappy was always experiencing over-heat problems, and due to it, I ain't even able to do multi-tasking nowadays as I am a crazy movie downloader.

You don't need to remove uTorrent unless you are trying to make a statement. I wasn't "tricked" into installing EpicScale, and don't feel like that was uTorrent's intention, so I'm still using uTorrent.

There are reports that uninstalling Epic Scale via the control panel isn't actually quite as straightforward as it seems since a lot of files and registry entries are supposedly left behind which need to be removed manually.

You don't need to remove uTorrent unless you are trying to make a statement. I wasn't "tricked" into installing EpicScale, and don't feel like that was uTorrent's intention, so I'm still using uTorrent.

Thanks for the answer...
But one more thing I wish to know is, if it ain't the intention of uTorrent itself, why would they allow such a software as an add-on during uTorrent's main software installation???

uTorrent isn't the only one doing this. Nearly every other company out there is trying to sneak a little something extra in their installs. People need to do a little due diligence these days (and not just blindly click the 'next button') to prevent unwanted programs from being installed on their computers. This is unfortunately just the way it is and I can only imagine it's going to get worse, not better.

They do it for the money basically. Since the software itself is free, that is one way they can generate money from it. Many freeware programs also have a paid pro version that omits these extra "goodies" which might be worth the extra expense. You're right that many companies are doing this although the practice isn't exactly new. Kazaa did it. Nero did it. You could even argue that OEM PC manufacturers that install pointless third party bloatware on their products are doing some form of it. Even Oracle does so by including the Ask! Toolbar and McAfee Security Scanner with their Java installer.

As for exactly how uTorrent might benefit in this situation:

Quote from: Wikipedia
In March 2015, it was alleged that µTorrent had automatically installed a program known as Epic Scale—a program classified as "riskware" by some security programs, which mines the cryptocurrency Litecoin in the background for charity (a cut of which is given to BitTorrent, Inc.), utilizing CPU and GPU power.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ΜTorrent
273  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: The First Signature Campaign on: March 10, 2015, 08:17:10 PM
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See bellow at the bottom of my post there is signature (SathosiBet) I was being paid few weeks as beginner. They actually did accept beginners into their campaign. Nice! They don't do signature campaign any more. But I'm keep advertising them for free as 'thank you' for accepting me as beginner. And why I don't try to join some other signature campaign now? I don't post 20 times a week. Not even 10 times. I'm just not posting enough to get paid lol
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Not to worry. Most sig campaigns allow those who don't reach the minimum posting limit to have their previous week's posts roll over into the next week. So, for example, if you made 10 posts in week 1, you only need to make another 10 posts in week 2 to receive a payment.

Ups, sorry for few mistakes and thank you for info on signature campaign. At some point I will stop advertising for free :-)))

I actually did a bit more reading about the rules of different signature campaigns since I wrote that and each one is slightly different but I'd say most allow for rolling over of posts. The old PrimeDice campaign definitely did if you didn't reach the minimum limit of 50 posts per month and once Stunna reopens his campaign, it should do so as well. ActionCrypto (currently closed) also rolled over previous weeks' posts if it was under the minimum limit of 20 posts but in order to receive any payment, you had to make 20 posts in that week. So if you made 10 posts in week 1, 15 posts in week 2, and 20 posts in week 3, you would get paid for 10 + 15 + 20 = 45 posts in week 3. 777coin and Bitin.io don't allow for any rolling over of posts except for posts that were made in the first week. Bitmixer.io (closed for new participants) doesn't need to roll over posts since they don't have a minimum limit.

I also remember there was another campaign that had a special program for those who posted very infrequently. I'll see if I can find it...

EDIT: OK, I can't seem to be able to find it but BIT-X seems to have no minimum posting limits. But you will need to wait until you are full member to join.
274  Other / Politics & Society / Re: woman's gym membership revoked for complaining about sex pervert in locker room on: March 10, 2015, 11:15:32 AM
I think the idea behind this is that sex and gender are not necessarily the same. Usually they are, but not always. Sex is a biological concept and is determined by your chromosomes and physical attributes while gender is a social concept. Someone can be biologically male but identify as female, or vice versa. Or at least that's how I think it works. In this case, the gym decided to segregate people depending on their gender rather than their biological sex.
275  Other / Archival / Re: Best bitcoin faucets? on: March 10, 2015, 10:49:39 AM
I don't usually visit faucets, but love the concept of freebitco.in to multiply your bitcoin by the dice kind of game

It's fun but don't expect to get anything serious out of it since the house edge is a whopping 5%. Most dice sites (e.g. Primedice, PRCDice) have a house edge of just 1%.
276  Other / Off-topic / Re: uTorrent's latest update installs a cryptocurrency miner on: March 10, 2015, 10:45:54 AM
Indeed, I swear whenever I download an application I read the bloody boxes to see what tool bar or bundle add-on they want to install with it, although a miner does seem like one of the most silly things to install for a (CPU at this point in time)
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/how-remove-utorrent-epicscale-bitcoin-miner-windows-pc-1490965

It's not something you can really make money on given the difficulty

Their decision to mine Litecoin via CPUs is a strange one. I'm not sure why they chose that. Litecoin uses an algorithm dominated by ASICs and previously GPUs so even the best CPUs wouldn't stand a chance. Hence mining LTC via CPUs is a horribly inefficient use of computing resources. They could have chosen a CPU mineable altcoin (or better yet, a list of them) instead.

Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that LTC has a much larger trading volume and market depth compared to other altcoins. That's the only valid reason I can think of.

It is very strange their decision (of the hackers) to mine litcoin with cpu, I don't understand  at all. Maybe someone can explain better their decision.

Well, "hackers" sounds a bit harsh. Cheesy

They seem to be a legitimate group with a philanthropic mission. Their idea isn't too different from other distributed computing projects such as BOINC (e.g. SETI@home) or Folding@home. While their current software mostly just mines litecoins apparently, a part of the profits are donated to charitable causes and they have plans to expand the software to other causes which could benefit from the distributed computing model. For example:

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Solving math problems for weather prediction, physics simulations, cryptography (including cryptocurrency mining) and more has real world value. We solve these problems on behalf of our trusted partners, and donate proceeds to your favorite charities.

Link: http://www.epicscale.com/
277  Other / Off-topic / Re: uTorrent EpicScale bitcoin miner on: March 10, 2015, 10:14:52 AM
Use CPU to mining bitcoin?
What a stupid idea.
they can't mine a bitcoin with more than 10 years.

The program actually mines litecoins but otherwise, yeah. They wouldn't make much money at all.

Still you should read the installers, free software always tries this BS to install crap on your PC.

Freeware often does. Free and open source software (FOSS) usually (but not always) doesn't.

But could you imagine with say 1 million cpu's all running at once? They might be able to make a fair bit from that, also I don't think this was utorrent itself.

I posted a calculation on another thread here about how much money 1 million PCs would be able to make by mining bitcoins. The result was that 1 million PCs mining 24/7 at max performance would earn roughly $150 per day. Using the same hardware to mine altcoins would earn much more:

Assuming it could be written and not detected. It would pull either part of the cpu or part of the discrete gpu.

neither part does a lot of hashing.  Say you bleed 10 percent of the cpu or gpu.  maybe 50mh a pc so 20 pc's for 1 gh.

2000 pc's for 1th

2,000,000 pc's for 1ph.

not much more can be bleed off without detection.

So is it possible to make a virus that infects 2mill pc's sure.  and if you are never caught you hash at 1ph. my guess is it would be found out quickly. since all the pc's would be dedicating a decent amount of cpu/gpu/watts to the mining.




If 20 PCs equal 1 GH/s then wouldn't you need 20,000 PCs for 1 TH/s and 20,000,000 PCs for 1 PH/s?

Anyway, both Bitcoin mining viruses and non-SHA-256 altcoin mining viruses would be profitable (it is free electricity, after all). A 1 million PC botnet where each PC is capable of 50 MH/s would have a total hashpower of about 50 million MH/s or 50 TH/s. At the current difficulty, the botnet operator would get a reasonable-ish passive profit of $150* per day according to Coinwarz.

However, the botnet operator could earn much more than this if he chose to mine CPU and GPU mineable altcoins instead. If he mined Darkcoin and we assume that each PC has 3 MH/s of X11 hashing power, he would get $75,000** per day!

Viruses that mine scrypt-based currencies would fall somewhere in the middle as they have ASICs built for them but the performance difference between ASIC mining and GPU mining is not as extreme as SHA-256.

*If the miner only mined at 10% max performance to prevent the PC owners from finding out, it would only bring in $15 a day.

**Again, if the miner only mined at 10% max performance, it would bring in $7,500 a day. I'm not sure if this is practically feasible though since dumping that many coins on an exchange every single day would depress the price and surely the exchange owners will find out?
278  Other / Off-topic / Re: uTorrent EpicScale bitcoin miner on: March 10, 2015, 09:44:50 AM
It does seem they worded about the miner to avoid people from knowing its the miner they were running.

The Epic Scale software is actually supposed to do a lot more than simply mining Litecoin. From what I've read, it's mostly just a cryptocurrency miner at this stage but there are plans to expand the range of applications further beginning with genomic computations. According to their official site, the following gives a general idea of what the software will do once the software is fully developed:

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Solving math problems for weather prediction, physics simulations, cryptography (including cryptocurrency mining) and more has real world value. We solve these problems on behalf of our trusted partners, and donate proceeds to your favorite charities.
Even with thousands of computers mining for them, is it even getting them anything?  I thought CPU mining was so slow compared to GPU and especially ASIC mining that even 1 millions CPUs would essentially be useless for bitcoin mining.

I read a while ago about a supercomputer being used for Doge mining, it wasn't very good, I beleive better than a good GPU, but nothing special, not worth wasting supercomputer time for anyway!

From what I've read, the program actually mines litecoins rather than bitcoins. It's still not the best choice of altcoin since there are many CPU mineable altcoins out there. I've done the calculations and every single one of them suggests that a computer mining LTC will only generate fractions of a cent per day assuming the average CPU is capable of 20 KH/s so I'm not sure what exactly it is that they're trying to achieve.

As for using supercomputers to mine, well it depends on the supercomputer. Some supercomputers use GPUs in addition to CPUs which would have been well suited for mining scrypt-based currencies until ASICs came into the scene in 2014.
279  Economy / Speculation / Re: To become a whale... on: March 10, 2015, 09:22:24 AM
Most Bitcoin whales were early adopters who had the luck or foresight to become involved in the Bitcoin community when it was still largely unknown to the outside world. This can be verified this by looking at the blockchain - i.e. a few addresses control a very large number of bitcoins.

The definition of a whale being someone who has over 1,000 BTC makes sense because a whale is someone who has enough coins that their actions can cause a noticeable shift in the markets. 100 BTC would probably be enough to effect a small change in the Bitcoin markets and several times that (e.g. 200-500 BTC) would produce a very noticeable spike or drop in prices, but most people don't play with their entire balance.

It depends of which altcoin are you talking about, maybe with the shitcoin it is needed a few bitcoin something like 5-10 btc for manipulate the price; but for the big altcoins you need at least 100-200 btc as you said.

However I am sure (as said before) for become a bitcoin whale you need at least 5000 bitcoins.

There are many dead, almost zero volume coins on exchanges with minimal volume. It would be possible to manipulate the prices of some coins with just 0.1 BTC.
280  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bitcoin in China on: March 10, 2015, 08:22:58 AM
There is not too much effect to the exchange.
We still can buy or sell bitcoin in Exchange as OKCOIN, HUOBI, in China.
Deposit fiat money is not convenient as before,  but still very simple.
Bitcoin is a legal asset, but not a legal money.

So the exchanges still have bank accounts then? The government hasn't blocked these?
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