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261  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 29, 2017, 07:34:18 PM
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Plus the legal and tax issues that have been circumvented may make ICN more appealing and accessible to a wider audience.

And we don't give BIG dividends for free to Exchange owners. This situation promotes HARD investors. If you want dividends then setup sheldue of dumping 1% of iconomi every week Cheesy...
like 1000 - 1 - 1 - 1 -1 it will be same results just make it like amount x0.01 every week.
I am very hapy with that now HOLDING/OWNING ICN is something really good.

Guys we have STRONG UP TREND  damm 1st correction and will real pumpers come to ICN just don't panic.

True, I wouldn't be surprised if someone makes a calculator that tells you exactly how much ICN you have to sell and when to sell it in order to take your share of the fees as ETH if that's what you want.

Other cryptos that used a buy/burn in the past also had inflation to cancel it out.  I may have to do some more research, but I have a theory that ICN is:

The first ever deflationary crypto

If they do a $50k proof of concept buy/burn, this will be the largest buy/burn ever done in crypto

And that's just a proof of concept burn with a measly 1000 ETH, they will only get bigger and bigger in the future Smiley
262  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 29, 2017, 07:23:57 PM
alright, pump the brakes.  Let's not get too excited here.  It was just an announcement.  Let's see how the buyback is conducted and find out what happens to the price.  After all, the buyback may generate more value (versus a dividend) to the ICN holder.  The real excitement will start when ICNX opens up to the public.  Take your time ICONOMI.  ICNX will be a big time product.  If the release is done correctly there will be a flood of money - professional and eventually institutional investors.

Keep up the hard work ICONOMI.  

AJ
What's your rationale behind that?

It provides more liquidity to the ICN market.  If there are buy/burn walls in place on the orderbook, it makes it harder for pump/dump groups to do a big dump and panic others into dumping to their lower buy orders with a fud campaign.

Also 200+ ETH per year saved vs. sending out weekly dividends will be enough to hire 1 or 4 team members if ETH goes up to $500+ within the next few years.

Plus the legal and tax issues that have been circumvented may make ICN more appealing and accessible to a wider audience.
263  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 29, 2017, 07:13:07 PM

I wonder if somebody is not an absolut fan of Iconomi here, he's considered a FUDer... come on...

Shills or FUDers ... the only options Smiley)

You sold yesterday didn't you? Sorry for your loss (not actually sorry, actually quite happy when rude traders like you who try to use FUD and hype to manipulate the market get burned). If you think you can drive the price back down now with your comments, you are mistaken and also a huge gaping asshole Smiley



I am a trader. Sold last time when got near 50k, bought back at 26k, sold some now at 50k again ... what is the relevance?


 Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy Gee I wonder why you are in here talking shit.

It would seem that the market does not agree with your sentiment about this development, you can't argue against the market and guess what quite frankly nobody gives a shit about your singular opinion. From your posts it is obvious you are just a simple trader with no real interest in the underlying growth and value of Iconomi, Iconomi is not and should not be catering to your wants and desires but the wants and desires of actual investors that are interested and invested in the long term viability of this project.
264  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [BCN] Bytecoin. Secure, private, untraceable since 2012 on: March 29, 2017, 08:41:55 AM

In fact, NVM , go bytecoin go, all monney are scams, even dollars or euro Grin

lol.. good luck! Wink

thanks mate, but I only risked 5 dollars in it Cheesy
I ll survive I hope lol

To your view all altcoins are scam? If not, what is your top 5 altcoins please

Saying a specific altcoin is a scam because it has a hidden 82% premine is not the same thing as saying all altcoins are a scam lol you aren't too clever, are you?
265  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 10 Million USD raised in 90 minutes! [ANN][Qtum]UTXO based POS Smart Contracts on: March 29, 2017, 05:28:00 AM
Lol @ stackoverflow playing the race card. Is that really all you have left now? Please show one instance of me being racist, I guarantee you will find none in all of my post history.

I'm talking about glebby's posts!

Now tell me some of his posts are not racist!

Ah okay thanks. And I'm not going to defend Gleb's remarks aside from pointing out that if you are relying on ad hominems to discredit the rest of what he has said/is saying that does not bode well for you.
266  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 10 Million USD raised in 90 minutes! [ANN][Qtum]UTXO based POS Smart Contracts on: March 29, 2017, 05:10:24 AM
so what on earth has gone on here? 10 million in 90minutes from a know scammer, that seems reasonable Cheesy is there any blockchain proof of this please?

no. just FUD.

Everybody knows you are a shill, it's obvious beyond any reasonable doubt. Go along and keep reposting in blind admiration every single thing the qtum team shares in an attempt to cover up the plethora of scrutiny and criticism here. But be sure not to ask for proof of the ICO funds, as an investor you wouldn't want to ensure your investment is secure or anything like that  Roll Eyes
267  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 10 Million USD raised in 90 minutes! [ANN][Qtum]UTXO based POS Smart Contracts on: March 29, 2017, 05:07:14 AM
Just show us the proof and we all will be satisfied . 

have you brought any Qtum?

also why the proof can make you satisfied?

how do you know it's not insider buying?

if you do not trust bitcoin or Ethereum, just sell it.

if you do not trust a project, the solution is go away rather than waste your precious time in this boring thread.

Why are you NOT interested in the proof? If you want people to believe you invested in this project (and are not just a paid shill or secretly a team member) maybe you should act like any sane investor would act and demand a little (the bare minimum, really) transparency from the team?

Stackoverflow himself said that  "the burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies"

They declare to have had a successful ICO but refuse to show proof of that. We are simply denying that claim, so the burden of proof does not fall on us.
268  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 10 Million USD raised in 90 minutes! [ANN][Qtum]UTXO based POS Smart Contracts on: March 29, 2017, 05:06:38 AM
Lol @ stackoverflow playing the race card. Is that really all you have left now? Please show one instance of me being racist, I guarantee you will find none in all of my post history.
269  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 10 Million USD raised in 90 minutes! [ANN][Qtum]UTXO based POS Smart Contracts on: March 29, 2017, 02:47:35 AM
This is turning into quite a racist thread pretty quickly.

Are there no moderators here?

Disgusting community.

Disgusting community indeed. But why would this be a surprise? Why would you ever expect a wholesome community to form around a scam  Huh

Let's take a closer look at the qtum "community" here. It consists entirely of the qtum team, stackoverflow, BTCspace, their sockpuppet/shill accounts, and you (who I'm giving the benefit of the doubt and going to believe you might actually be just an innocent investor). The rest of us here are just here to try and warn unsuspecting people about this project and call the team out for their excessive shadiness and lack of basic transparency. So don't be surprised if things are a bit unruly in here. There is no real motivation or incentive for me to behave in a cordial manner when dealing with a scam and its purveyors. Qtum and its supporters ought to have more incentive to behave better, why they choose not to IDK it's almost like they don't actually care about the community here Roll Eyes

270  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 28, 2017, 08:34:25 AM
I am starting to think that the "We Trust" bounty whores got specific instructions to post on the ICONOMI thread in the hope they get an investment

from the Jani and Tim.

 Roll Eyes


Yeah except we were all here long before the WeTrust sig campaign ever started... Unlike you, with your 4 day old troll account.
271  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 27, 2017, 09:24:05 PM
Why is included in the calculation 87 000 000 ICN Huh? https://coinmarketcap.com

The developers kept 13,000,000 for themselves spread amongst them. They can't be used until a certain date though, which effectively makes the total supply 87,000,000. When they are unlocked the market cap will either drop to accomadate 13,000,000 new coins, or it will rise up and price stays the same.


Anyone got the certain dates when these 13 million from the developers will be unlocked and will be available on the market (aka sold or dumped)?

No, but it might also be given to current hodlers.

And if ICN is a success the team would be foolish to sell their holdings off anyways, they could just retire one day off of the dividends.
272  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] ICONOMI - Digital Assets Management Platform on: March 27, 2017, 09:14:19 PM
Can anyone please tell me the reason why is ICN moving up again? It was anticipated to rise after platform release but it happened earlier.Is another big dump coming?Is someone manipulating price for his benefit?

Because more and more people noticing the project. We got about 200 new people just in slack the last days and if everyone buys a chunk, the price will go up

Plus fewer and fewer people are willing to risk selling because news could break any day now.
273  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 10 Million USD raised in 90 minutes! [ANN][Qtum]UTXO based POS Smart Contracts on: March 27, 2017, 06:33:32 AM
And remember everybody this is a quote from stackoverflow: ""the burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies"

And as we all know qtum is the one who declared a successful ICO, and I am only denying that Smiley
So according to stackoverflow himself I don't have to provide any proof to deny it, they are the ones that need to provide proof to confirm it.

The proof is the numerous exchanges which witnessed the success  Grin

I don't think you understand what proof means. This is crypto we are talking about, there is objective evidence on the blockchain and that is the only thing that can be trusted. Why should we trust exchanges controlled by the team themselves when we could rely on a trustless system to obtain our proof? It's so simple to do, and the fact you and the team are still fighting this is a gigantic red flag. This struggle you guys are putting up is equivalent to admittance. There is no reason for it except that you need to hide something.

My theory: The ICO did not raise anywhere near 15 mil, but you are going to pretend it did until release, because although you didn't raise 15 mil you have control of the vast majority of the coins because you "purchased" them from the exchanges under your own control. All you need to do is maintain some confidence in the coin until release, and then you can dump to make up for all the money you didn't raise in the ICO.

You could prove that wrong in an instant, but you don't because apparently you can't. And let me make one thing clear, until objective evidence of the ICO funds (the addresses) are shared with the community I will be in here alllllllll the way up until and past the launch making sure nobody who comes here forgets or is unaware that the team has failed to bear their burden of proof and provide this simple and standard degree of transparency that they themselves alluded to before the ICO.

Remember, your own words: "the burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies"
Qtum declared a successful ICO, I am just denying it Smiley
274  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 10 Million USD raised in 90 minutes! [ANN][Qtum]UTXO based POS Smart Contracts on: March 27, 2017, 06:29:41 AM
And remember everybody this is a quote from stackoverflow: ""the burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies"

And as we all know qtum is the one who declared a successful ICO, and I am only denying that Smiley
So according to stackoverflow himself I don't have to provide any proof to deny it, they are the ones that need to provide proof to confirm it.
275  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 10 Million USD raised in 90 minutes! [ANN][Qtum]UTXO based POS Smart Contracts on: March 27, 2017, 06:26:39 AM

Name calling again?  Grin

That's all you got!

Is that all I got, or are you just retarded? Because if you knew how to read you would notice there is more there than just name calling in my post. On the other-hand, all you have are these pathetic attempts to deflect.

Whatever, as you already said youself: the burden of proof lies on qtum. They haven't provided it. Therefore, the ICO must have been a complete failure. SAD!

You wish!

I don't need to wish, it is evident based on the logic you outlined yourself. Not my words, yours. Sorry the ICO was such a failure.

How is that a failure when all the exchanges were sold out as they announced?

You think they're lying? prove it!

I don't have to prove anything, because that's not how things are done around here. I can just say it is so and it is so. Pretty awesome!
276  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 10 Million USD raised in 90 minutes! [ANN][Qtum]UTXO based POS Smart Contracts on: March 27, 2017, 06:19:51 AM
Here's the address for qtum's ICO funds: https://blockchain.info/address/1DBiehhnU9xjq14spVxALsTjAEgH9BGmB (I can say whatever I want and post it as truth without providing any proof just like the qtum team has done, because that is how reality works in their world)

Even less than I thought!  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy
277  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 10 Million USD raised in 90 minutes! [ANN][Qtum]UTXO based POS Smart Contracts on: March 27, 2017, 06:16:26 AM

Name calling again?  Grin

That's all you got!

Is that all I got, or are you just retarded? Because if you knew how to read you would notice there is more there than just name calling in my post. On the other-hand, all you have are these pathetic attempts to deflect.

Whatever, as you already said youself: the burden of proof lies on qtum. They haven't provided it. Therefore, the ICO must have been a complete failure. SAD!

You wish!

I don't need to wish, it is evident based on the logic you outlined yourself. Not my words, yours. Sorry the ICO was such a failure.
278  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 10 Million USD raised in 90 minutes! [ANN][Qtum]UTXO based POS Smart Contracts on: March 27, 2017, 06:12:54 AM

Name calling again?  Grin

That's all you got!

Is that all I got, or are you just retarded? Because if you knew how to read you would notice there is more there than just name calling in my post. On the other-hand, all you have are these pathetic attempts to deflect.

Whatever, as you already said youself: the burden of proof lies on qtum. They haven't provided it. Therefore, the ICO must have been a complete failure. SAD!

279  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 10 Million USD raised in 90 minutes! [ANN][Qtum]UTXO based POS Smart Contracts on: March 27, 2017, 06:10:02 AM


The problem with you is you want to pick what proof you want, and only accept that. This is not how it works!

Success of the ICO have been confirmed by exchanges data, you cannot deny that.


LOL show me the "data" you speak of. There is only one type of data that can serve as evidence and that is the data on the blockchain. That is exactly what I am asking for, the data- the addresses which show proof of the funds. It's so simple. Just how dumb are you? How dumb do you think observers to this thread are?

Pick what proof I want? There is only one proof you imbecile and it hasn't been provided. LMAO.
280  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 10 Million USD raised in 90 minutes! [ANN][Qtum]UTXO based POS Smart Contracts on: March 27, 2017, 06:03:06 AM
Ok I'm sick of arguing with a bunch of clowns who think they are smart  Grin

This forum has turned into a landfill of incompetent trolls! do your worst.

Oh wait you already did  Grin

These are your own words bud, so if you are arguing against them you are arguing against yourself: "the burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies"


"the burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies"


I don't think I am smart, those are your own words- you're the smart one! Wink
Unless you are arguing against yourself, in which case that isn't very smart...

I'm just ecstatic that you finally agree that the burden of proof is on qtum who has declared they raised over 15 milion USD but provided absolutely zero proof to support that. And that the burden does not lie on me since I am simply denying that claim. This means you are going to help me pressure them for this proof, right? Really looking forward to you asking qtum to provide the proof now that you admit it is their responsibility! Glad you are on our side for once!

Or do you want to admit you are a lying hypocrite? Which will it be?

You can't weasel your way out this time, those are your own goddamn words.

I was referring to your accusation that this project is a scam, the burden of proof for this is on you!

As for the funds, the exchanges have collected them, that's proof enough for me. Now if you accuse these exchanges of being in bed with the team and falsifying information, you know what you need to do: provide proof.

I think it's useless at this point to try and discuss with you, it seems paranoia have gotten the best of you.
Thanks for admitting you are a lying hypocrite. You can't apply your logic of "the burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies" only when it suits you but not when it doesn't. No matter how hard you try you can't deny it, those are your own words.  And they are the ones declaring a successful ICO, I am only denying that. So according to your own statement they are the ones that bear the burden of proof. If you try to deny that, you are demonstrating that you are incapable of adhering to your very own statements and logic. Meaning you are a lying hypocrite that can't be trusted.  
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