If the only thing you care about is the fiat price of your coins, then frankly I don't give a shit what your opinion is. Freedom doesn't have a price tag. I stand firmly on the side of the argument that freedom is infinitely more valuable than some government IOUs. Obsess about those all you like, just don't expect anyone else to care.
Of course price matters you dumb autist. And I don't care if its against fiat. If BTC goes down against the oz of gold, it's a failure. If what you are doing gets your purchasing power down while centralizing the network with bigger blocks, then why would anyone support this unless they were getting mad fiat gains behind the curtain? Hardforking bitcoin into several bitcoins = a mistake. Holders lose purchasing power and gain nothing in return, maybe the illusion that you are now more free because you forked bitcoin into an altcoin if you are stupid enough to think that.
And no one is stealing anything, you ignorant asshat. Stealing implies that someone owns the Bitcoin brand, so perhaps you could explain who that is, exactly? As far as I was aware, no one own or controls Bitcoin. Bitcoin is influenced by the code people freely choose to run. If it turns out that enough people want to run different code, that's not an act of theft. Either accept that, or go use some closed-source crapcoin like Ripple where no one has a choice.
No one owns the bitcoin brand, but it's obvious hardforking it and paying bribing miners with FIAT money so they mine your hardfork then try to claim that is the real bitcoin is a bitch ass move, but idiots like you would call this freedom and good for bitcoin. Get the fuck out of here. I keep hearing about this bribery like it was some sort of documented fact. Where is the funding from this bribery coming from? Who, exactly, is bribing who? Do you have any actual evidence for any of these seemingly baseless accusations? If not, I'd ask that you stop talking shit.
https://medium.com/@WhalePanda/roger-ver-from-bitcoin-jesus-to-bitcoin-antichrist-69fc7a17c622Bitcoin Unlimited is the latest (soon to be failed) attempt, this time they tried bribing. Bitcoin Unlimited received a “500,000 usd donation” and now additionally there is a 1 million dollar grant for alternative implementations. I think this kind of falls under the “bribing” part that I will discuss later. It is important to note who are the main supporters of bigger blocks: Roger Ver Jeff Garzik: founder of bloq which is focussed on private blockchains Blockchain.info: Ver invested in it Coinbase: burning through VC money and desperately needing an excuse as to why they’re not growing fast enough Bitmain: closely working with Ver for a while Viabtc = Bitmain Do you think if there is bribery going on they are going to make it public? connect the fucking dots you mong. Im not going to do the homework for you. If you think miners (the most profit seeking people in the game) and all of these devs with obvious ties to the government are hardforking bitcoin "for the good of bitcoin" because they are good samaritans you are deluded as fuck. Understand the game theory at play then come back and try to argue why your hardfork is good idea again. And stop the pathetic appeals to authority about what Satoshi would or wouldn't have wanted. It's just getting sad now. Even Satoshi isn't in a position where they can tell people what to do (nor did they ever express the will to do so), so why do you think you are in a position to tell everyone what code they can or can't run? Everyone has a choice and you can't tell them how to choose. You and all the other authoritarian fuckwits on this board can go start your own DictatorCoin if you think you can force your views onto everyone else. That shit doesn't fly here.
I don't give a fuck about satoshi, but since you hardforkers usually appeal so satoshi, I did it myself to show that even satoshi was against it. Hardforking bitcoin because fiat corporations are behind it is a bad idea objectively no matter who says it. It sounds like you prefer the ideals of closed-source development where no one can fork the code, so what the fuck are you even doing here? Last time I checked, it was Bitcoin Unlimited releasing closed source code. Segwit2x was making the slack and github private and Garzik is trying to put his bloq shit on there, Bitcoin XT had anti privacy shit on there, the list goes on. What have any of these idiots contributed to bitcoin other than get fiat corporations and miners on board by everyone knows how? Get real buddyboy. |
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We all were waiting to see what would happen in september when segwit2x will be activated and whether hard fork would occur since most of miners had signed the newyork agreement and had decided to support it.But suddenly,china has taken this stand against bitcoin and now the discussion is whether china would ban mining also and what would happen whether segwit 2x would be activated or not.If it does not get activated,then we could definitely expect that bitcoin would soon reach ATH.
Isnt segwit 2x activating in september? Ok if chinese govt ban mining then does that mean segwit 2x isnt happenning? If chinese govt does not ban mining then does that segwit 2x more likely to happen? If we are looking at september as a key moment for bitcoin, it must be related to november, because november is the month for the hardfork, not september. But things sometimes start happening way before the key moment. Right now I was very bullish on bitcoin after the amazing recovering from the chinese ban, but we still got the hardfork scammers trying to ruin bitcoin so watch out for that. There's some panic selling going on right now, let's hope it's temporary and we will recover. For all we know segwit2x may never happen as in it becoming anything relevant, but the FUD is under the radar until then. Right now there's bunch of pussies selling so get ready for the red candles. |
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don't get why people are so upset about this, aside from being misled by the utterly mistaken belief that there should be a centralised authority in control, which runs wholly contrary to the entire concept behind Bitcoin.
Well, maybe because it crashes the price badly everytime bitcoin forks into different bitcoins and destroys the network effect confusing people. "Oh wow, there are 3 bitcoins now? what do I buy?" They know their shitcoin would never gain traction as an altcoin, so they try to steal the bitcoin brand by bribing corporations into accepting their shitcoin altfork. Satoshi said clearly that he didn't want his software forked for technical reasons. Stop selling this bullshit as if it's good for bitcoin. |
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Could have sworn the argument used to be that it wouldn't be a valid hardfork unless there was a super-majority. Now that it might happen, a super-majority is a bad thing because it suits you?
No, the argument is still that a valid hardfork requires a super majority of all users of Bitcoin (meaning miners, businesses, and users), in fact, it requires consensus. A super majority of miners is not enough; miners do not and cannot dictate what Bitcoin is. You need a super majority of everyone involved in Bitcoin. I'm aware that it's not just miners who make the decision and there has to be both support from non-mining nodes and economic support from users and third party services. The real point is, if a fork happens, we'll get to find out for certain where that super-majority lies, rather than than putting the cart before the horse and just assuming based on your own personal preference about which chain each of you happen to like best. It's largely speculation until we see the actual usage in real time. You can't prevent the open market from doing its thing here in Cryptoland, and there's undeniably a gap in the market attempting to fill itself if these forks are occurring. Assign the blame for that where you will, whether it's crying foul of "miner cartels", or "benevolent dictators" developing alternative clients, but there's no stopping it. Plus, everyone can finally stop bitching about the miners having too much influence if they're going to head off and do their own thing. People should be happy about all this, but I suspect no one actually will be because it's all about teh dramas (sic) 
Full nodes dictate what bitcoin is.
LOL NOPE. No one group does. That's the whole point. No one dictates anything. Everyone does what's best for their own selfish interests and consensus, together with the free market, sorts it all out. Create the right alignment of incentives and everyone works together voluntarily, don't create the right alignment of incentives and people fork off.
I believe the thread was hijacked by the Segwit2x vs. Core topic. They are still good to read though, but please answer my original question first.
IF Core decided that a Proof of Work change is needed, what kind of mining algorithm will they use in your opinion? Will they develop something new, or will they use something that is used now like Scrypt?
Technically, the developers don't even have to settle on a single algorithm. It's possible to use more than one. I'm pretty sure there's an altcoin out there utilising 6 at once. This also apparently helps with ASIC resistance due to the extra math involved. Certainly something to consider. If the goal is ASIC resistance, maybe leave Scrypt well alone. Cool, let them fork in november, we'll see what happens. At the end of the day, BCash forked, and it has been proven that no one wants bigger blocks. They can't fill their own blocks with more than 1MB, not anywhere close to 1MB, then why the fuck the rush to raise the blocksize? Turns out nobody is transacting there. The scam in segwit2x is that these corporations claim to represent their users. So Coinbase and Xapo and all these corporations claim that their millions of users want segwit2x because they are using it. Motherfucker nobody knows shit about any of this, only us 1% of guys that look into the details, the rest of the people are using Coinbase or whatever because that's what they've heard, not because they prefer segwit2x over the original Bitcoin. So they are taking hostage all of these clueless people and claiming they got their support. Not to mention the agreement itself has been broken already several times: https://medium.com/@WhalePanda/segwit2x-the-broken-agreement-e9035a453c05But it doesn't matter. Let them fork again and we'll see what's up. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVXnvb88ZWcYou know an economy is fucked beyond belief when people are making more money farming gold in an MMORPG than having a regular job. This situations shows that bitcoin is being useful for people in fucked up situations all over the globe. Back then they couldn't have made this as easily. Now they can simply sell it for BTC all over the world.
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Floyd Mayweather has huge social media influence, so if you manage to get him to pump your coin you've done a good job getting your coin out there. I don't see how Floyd itself cares too much about anything crypto, he's just taking advantage of his position that allows him to sit back, make an instagram post and get paid millions, because I assume that these people are paying him a ton for these posts, otherwise Floyd wouldn't bother.
But who knows, maybe Floyd is really getting into crypto and sees the value. He may not be too intelligent but he's definitely sharp.
Exactly. His sphere of influence reaches as far as Africa so seeing him promoting some coins will surely wake up some of his followers and maybe influence them to buy what coins Floyd is promoting. He has tons of money already so I speculate that he is not into crypto. But we may never know because he has a lot of investments so it won't change a thing if he put thousands or even millions of dollars into the crypto industry. He is a street wise as anyone you would find. This is good thing for crypto in general in a very positive way. Yep guy has street smarts. There are a lot of intelligent people out there but they are getting no bread. Anyway the fact that Floyd Mayweather is promoting ICO's may be pump and dumpish, but he also hashtags #bitcoin and promotes spending bitcoins: https://www.instagram.com/p/BZCttMOAFqc/?taken-by=floydmayweatherfloydmayweatherSpending bitcoins ethereum and other types of cryptocurrency in Beverly Hills with my Titanium Centra Card. Join Centra's ICO on Sept. 19th #TMT #TBE #floydcryptomayweather #digitalcurrency Im sure that at least a couple of people will go down the rabbit hole and learn more about bitcoin and crypto because of this. 90% of people may not have a clue but the small minority will do more research and that is what matters and that is why I think at the end of the day what he is doing is good for crypto. |
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Floyd Mayweather has huge social media influence, so if you manage to get him to pump your coin you've done a good job getting your coin out there. I don't see how Floyd itself cares too much about anything crypto, he's just taking advantage of his position that allows him to sit back, make an instagram post and get paid millions, because I assume that these people are paying him a ton for these posts, otherwise Floyd wouldn't bother.
But who knows, maybe Floyd is really getting into crypto and sees the value. He may not be too intelligent but he's definitely sharp.
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Could have sworn the argument used to be that it wouldn't be a valid hardfork unless there was a super-majority. Now that it might happen, a super-majority is a bad thing because it suits you?
No, the argument is still that a valid hardfork requires a super majority of all users of Bitcoin (meaning miners, businesses, and users), in fact, it requires consensus. A super majority of miners is not enough; miners do not and cannot dictate what Bitcoin is. You need a super majority of everyone involved in Bitcoin. Full nodes dictate what bitcoin is. At the end of the day the rules are imposed by the software you are running, which is why government agents are trying to push hardfork-attacks that involve big block sizes, so only their corporations can impose said rules and not random people on their basements. A miner could have massive amounts of hashrate and "prove a lot of work" which is useless if the people isn't accepting that hashrate as valid because they are using full nodes that ignore their blocks. Similarly, just because you have a ton of machines that can make a huge hole in the middle of a desert and prove you did all of that work, nobody is going to value a stupid hole in the middle of a desert. So don't fall for this "we have all the hashrate so we rule" bullshit agenda that some are trying to push, including McAfee which made new friends Roger and Jihan Wu recently.  Can you fucking believe it? |
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JP Morgan Jamie Dimon buying tons of bitcoin causing a price pump from the bottomed out dip, will a dump follow this?
What about chinese exchanges closing at the end of september, will this cause the price to dip again or price has been already reflected for this?
So the end of october we will know whether chinese miners will be banned or not from the China government 19th congress? Ok from this if chinese miners get banned then segwit 2x wont happen or vice versa?
Or is bitcoin is free from all this FUD now and will rise steadily and healthily to $5000 ATH?
Jamie Dimon is not buying "tons of bitcoins", this bullshit needs to stop. Someone on behalf of JP Morgan bought BTC, not that many compared to other bigger whales. China FUD is priced in, Jamie Dimon is irrelevant for a couple of years until dumb idiots forget and he comes back and it feels like fresh news when it's not: Both boomer CEOs and China emptied their clips and they are now out of ammo, time for BTC to pump. The next FUDsters are teh big blockers once again in november, let's pump until then then beat the hardforkers once again, then we going 5 figures. |
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Bitcoin is much bigger than one country. One country alone cannot dictate the direction of Bitcoin, at this point it is global.
Even if all the major countries banned it, people that really want to buy will always find a way, and some countries will always keep it unbanned because it will be on their interest to do so, they would become crypto friendly niches and they would reap the profits of that while the rest get nothing, which is why it will never happen, at some point you are missing out if you ban it, which is why i also think China will retract from his position and unban it eventually. Since Chinese already know how to make lots of money in the crypto world, even if the Chinese bans it, they will always find a way to trade/invest into it, whether using vpn, having a non-Chinese in China to buy bitcoins for them. I really hope that they will retract their positions though, it was sudden that those who have millions worth of investment in there suddenly panics sold off crashing the market. Its not the world that will suffer, its those Chinese investors who really love bitcoin because they are earning huge amount is the real loser here. They would need to be using OTC. If the leaked papers from the chinese government are reals, they are going to ban Tor and VPN's. So I guess Tor is out of the picture now, most main VPNs will be banned, so they will need to find fresh VPNs that aren't banned which shouldn't be hard. But meeting in real life and making the deal will most likely be the way to go for them. You can't never stop people from doing that. Also in the future we will have send-and-receive satellites and then it will be over for all these government scammers. |
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In my perspective, if it would not be a draw I'll definitely go with Canelo as the winner. It's a tough match and as for the scoring, I'll leave triple G with less one point than canelo considering how he answered every blows. I'm not a fan of Canelo and it's my first time to watch his fight so this is an unbias decision from me. I guess this fight was the nearest defeat for triple G  Exactly, Canelo looks like winning than triple G, it's just rather unfair to settle for a draw but what can you say it's boxing and if you don't go with your own judge by knocking down your opponent it's likely to be decided against you. Like Pacman's said this the chance for boxing to reclaim the trust of the people but then again they screwed up. Kodus for both fighters but a draw? I had it GGG won that fight. Boxing really became a business, In which promoters doesn't care about the essence of Boxing but instead they eye for the money. This is another example why a lot of Boxing fan before hates the sports now. A rematch would likely to happen and for sure it will happen early next year.
These replies show that some people saw Canelo as a winner and other saw Golovkin as the winner, so I guess the best decision was a draw, but most boxing experts point to a win of GGG. The 118-110 card in favor of Canelo by one of the judges was absolutely fucked tho. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/boxing/4483759/canelo-vs-ggg-who-is-adalaide-byrd-scorecard-controversial/That one judge who scored the fight 118-110 should be banished. But as per NSAC, will not suspend her and still can judge but won't work anytime soon. Her scoring is very controversial. Is she watching a different fight? Its not even reflective of the other two judges who score it very very very close. For me NSAC needs to suspend her and possible ban her from judging if she have made another controversial scoring in the future.. http://www.boxingscene.com/nsac-director-put-byrd-back-soon-still-judge--120609Apparently she has fucked up scoring on MMA too. What the hell does that middle aged woman know about boxing? They should get world champions as judges, that actually have fought and know how things work, not some old people with probably no boxing experience. Anyway, the fight was nice. There's too much hate on the fight due the decision. Even with the Byrd disaster, the fight was tight. People saying GGG clearly won are obvious GGG fanboys. Canelo did a decent job. |
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Bitcoin is much bigger than one country. One country alone cannot dictate the direction of Bitcoin, at this point it is global.
Even if all the major countries banned it, people that really want to buy will always find a way, and some countries will always keep it unbanned because it will be on their interest to do so, they would become crypto friendly niches and they would reap the profits of that while the rest get nothing, which is why it will never happen, at some point you are missing out if you ban it, which is why i also think China will retract from his position and unban it eventually. |
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I think chinese investors will be big part of in bitcoin so if China going to stop all Bitcoin exchanges must close by September 30, but this type of thing not happening in first time at China it's happened May time not very we will get good news about this soon
Nothing will happen in september 30th, the bad things that had to happen already happened. Anyone that wanted to sell already got the memo and sold, nobody in China (unless living under some kind of rock) hasn't already seen the news and got his coins out of there before the chinks randomly decide that instead of september 30th it's september 20th (they know it works like that on there). So don't expect any more money to fly away from BTC due september 30th ban materializing. |
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Most countries are in full control of their own monetary policies and financial systems. If a alternative currency is introduced, would this improve or reduce the efficiency of a country?
Will this remove their control or would it be just another payment option, like PayPal?
Why are governments so scared of Bitcoin, if they can regulate it's use. The first defensive tool seem to be banning the technology, which in my opinion should be the last resort. Should they not analyse the threat based on proper research and public participation. < like they did in Canada > and then make harsh decisions like this?
Why are they ignoring the advantages that this technology might bring and implement extreme precautions as a primary action?
Is Bitcoin really such a big threat to them or are they just misinformed on purpose? < influenced externally by people with hidden agendas >
Let's discuss this please.
It's obvious that a government doesn't really benefit from bitcoin... why would they want a currency they cannot control? governments work by governing, in other words they dictate the rules. Bitcoin has its own set of rules that are neutral for everyone. A government will never lose its ego and follow rules that aren't their own (and if you believe in deep government stuff, they they break their own rules behind the curtain, which they cannot do under bitcoin) Bitcoin is a neutral catalyst for the world to put their wealth on there. Some people save their ass thanks to bitcoin in countries like Venezuela, yet in China they will they you it's evil or western banksters will tell you its a fraud. Bitcoin is what it is, don't let some idiot define it for you because he has a lot of fiat. |
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When prices are dropping I noticed that once ETH surpasses 200, it starts rallying,
Some times it goes to 150ish but then always above 200$. What do you think is the bottom?
The bottom is literally 0$, once the cards start crumbling and the whole thing becomes unsustainable, but for the time being I wouldn't worry too much, I think ETH will see ATH in the next wave of crypto hype once BTC starts nearing $6000. We will have, once again, all the noobs getting in at the top, then correction to a new higher floor ad infinitum. $10,000 is looking good for 2018, and all the altcoins will follow the BTC price so new altcoin bubbles will be formed and ETH will be one of them. |
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Only because "new IP" SHITTY mail.....
I'm looking for a static IP for exactly that reason, but different trade site. Basically any VPN would do, since that's tech we are using anyways - maybe for different purpose. VPN delivering static IP adresses. (hints appreciated, send IM)Dunno what additional amount of percieved security exactly do these additional captchas or IP change emails do provide. Just another hoop held up, to jump through? Well, if your passwords gets stolen either by someone that works in the exchange, or hacked by someone else, they would still need to know your email's password which assuming that it is different from your login password of the exchange as it should, they couldn't enter and steal all of your money, so it's good that they ask for this. But like I said, give us the option of an alternative email in case the current email host is offline or somehow you lose access to the email, without needing to disclose your phone number. |
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Shitty new IP mail not receiving, because outlook WORLDWIDE outage, now lasting more than 18h. Saw how EDG was starting to fail but I was confident. Tried to log in to sell, but couldn't.
Now EDG keeps falling and falling and falling and falling and falling and falling and falling, and I've lost 1.000 € (1.200 $) on this shit. Tomorrow will be 1.500$
Only because "new IP" SHITTY mail.....
A login designed by a complete deep retarded faggot. If you login and the IP is new, you must login again and redo all captchas. 2FA is optional, but "new IP" shitty email is not. Great design.
Yep, im tired of the IP stuff and constantly having to check email, email isn't even safe, neither is SMS confirmations, nothing is really safe to be honest, only a strong password and not losing it, and even then you depend on whoever stores your login data to not lose it. I guess the solution should be for them to give you two different emails so in case one fails you still would have the secondary one, because it would be insanely unlucky that both email providers are offline at the same damn time. |
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Bitcoin has pumped back to $4000 and up, without no chinese markets involved, proving that we can survive government bans. I am very confident now in a strong recovery to an ATH. Once we reach ATH in a post-Chinese ban environment, we are going to prove to the world that bans on Bitcoin are useless, so they will either join us or keep getting exposed.
I predict chinese exchanges will eventually be back under regulated licenses, pumping the price even further. Get in now or cry later.
The battle isn't done yet, we still have some situations that we need to consider. The fact that we can survive without China and even if China bans bitcoin. But I was up into the price of bitcoin, they are hitting the price of bitcoin and everyone is affected. They now also planning to ban p2p network, all of these reports are unverified so it may be true or not. The thing that I'm considering is the ban of mining but I'm sure that China can't resist the crave of what they can get in crypto's, they will lift those blockage soon, trust me. I think even the supposed p2p ban on the internet is already priced in, we will not see further crashing if it materializes, we wouldn't still suffer much. "China bans bitcoin" was already all over mainstream media, the initial shock factor is lost, there's not much space for China to keep fucking around with the price, which is why im bullish bitcoin more than ever. The fact that segwit2x is losing traction also helps. |
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I think this is good news, what do you think?
I think this is just the overall crypto market recovering following the bitcoin recovery, not because Ethereum or whatever other altcoin has done anything special to deserve their recovery. Altcoins follow the bitcoin tall, everyone knows this at this point or at least you should know it, it's pretty obvious. So this means, don't get too excited, the fundamentals for ETH are still pretty bad. This doesn't mean it couldn't pump to $1k for all I know so gamble on. |
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Bitcoin has pumped back to $4000 and up, without no chinese markets involved, proving that we can survive government bans. I am very confident now in a strong recovery to an ATH. Once we reach ATH in a post-Chinese ban environment, we are going to prove to the world that bans on Bitcoin are useless, so they will either join us or keep getting exposed.
I predict chinese exchanges will eventually be back under regulated licenses, pumping the price even further. Get in now or cry later.
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