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261  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Miracles of Bible... on: April 10, 2015, 08:04:18 AM
You might as well believe that Moses never died and he eventually turned into Satoshi.

the best joke ive heard on this forum so far.. its hilarious


Yes it is funny. The husband of khadijah could not be satoshi indeed...

 Cheesy Grin Cheesy


Why did you lock your thread? I was planning to participate in it, the same way you participate in this one right here... Too bad.




too many request to lock it. and these religious thread is just getting ridiculous. its not helping anyone learn or clear the misunderstandings. but more hate and more misunderstanding.


I have to say... Compared to other forum threads on the internet, most here, coming from either side of a particular subjects are pretty self controlled.

Why would anyone start a thread, then to be forced to lock it if there were no personal threats? Maybe the people asking you to lock it have no self control of their emotion?



The only true deity that makes this particular forum alive is bitcoin. Once you realize this, everything here tastes like a delicious ice cream under a beautiful blue sky...

 Smiley






got messages from both "parties" if i can say. asking me to lock it before it gets out of hands. so i did.
262  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: how much can you make weekly? on: April 10, 2015, 08:02:08 AM
Actually, if you were really to truly work on faucets every single day non-stop for a week, say 8 hours a day, you can make quite a bit. Not as much as a job, but it's probably more than you'd think.

I would guess that you could make about $1-1.5 per hour with faucets. So 56 - 84 per week, ~0.23 - 0.35BTC/week.

This involves NOT wasting ANY time at all, so you can't lose focus, go to the washroom, drink a cup of whatever, etc.

you are saying that you can earn 500k+ satoshi per hour with faucet? i think it's not possible at all, eve with the best 1k faucets you need 500 of those(and there aren't 500 faucets that pay 1k each) then counting 10 sec(a bit far-stretched) on average to resolve a captcha

will result in only 6 faucets per minute and 360 per hour....(this not counting various little rest and the time you waste to move to another faucet)

Exactly. You can however easily make that hourly rate with a signature campaign. (Or even just a single constructive post. Almost.)


there is a lot of time ahead before i may be able to work on signature campaigns Cheesy
263  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 10, 2015, 07:52:15 AM
15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

@BADecker: The rotten fruit growing from your branches is very obvious to anyone that cares to look. I spotted that one a long time ago.


i agree with you, but since he is misguiding people about Islam and Muslim, i prefer to put his intelligence apart and continue to reply him according to verses and quotes..

ask Badecker quotes and verses, he will take them from websites spreading hate. he has nothing plausible to say. he just google something, copy and paste it.
264  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 10, 2015, 07:50:14 AM
The similarites of Islam and Christianity

<a taken>
b) Both believes in doing good works.
c) Both believes in praying, and repentance to sins commited
d) Both teaches to not judge others

True.

The key difference between Islam and Christianity as i see it:

a) Islam believes that Jesus was apostle of God, and not the son of God that he was made to be in the scriptures of the Bible.
b) Christianity believes that Jesus was the son of God, sent to die for our sins, so that we might be redeemed through good works and repentance of sins.

True.

could you perhaps add to these list Muhammad Zakir, about any difference i may have missed, or any errors that i made? I am really enjoying this discussion Smiley

Here are some problems:

a) Both believes there is one true God.

Only Islam believes in one true God.

Why isn't Christianity?

#1: “Jesus was the son of God” itself tells there is another God than Jesus and they believe it. If not, they can't beleive Jesus was "son of God".

#2: They take this is as evidence for Jesus as God.

“I and my Father, We are One.” (John 10:30).

In fact, it is out of context.

John 10:22 -  “But it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem and it was winter.”
John 10:23 - “And Yeshua was walking in The Temple on the porch of Solomon.”
John 10:24 - “And the Judeans surrounded him and were saying, "How long will you keep our souls in suspense? If you are The Messiah, tell us plainly."”
John 10:25 - “Yeshua answered and said to them, "I have told you, and you do not believe, and the works that I do in the Name of my Father, they testify of Me."”
John 10:26 - "But you do not believe, because you are not of my sheep, just as I said to you."
John 10:27 - "My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow Me."
John 10:28 - "And I am giving them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them from my hand."
John 10:29 - "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand."
John 10:30 - "I and my Father, We are One."

If you look at this, you will understand on purpose they are one but it doesn't mean they are one person. Nobody can't snatch from Jesus' hands, nobody can't snatch from God's hand and hence, they are one.

Anyway, if they are still telling "no". Then they will have to believe in 14 Gods. Jesus, God and 12 disciples. Same thing used in different lines:

Romans 12:5 - “So also, we who are many, are one body in The Messiah, and each one of us is a member of the other.”

1 Corinthians 10:17 - “Just as that is one bread, and thus we are all one body, for we all receive from that which is one bread.”

John 17:11 - “From now on, I do not dwell in the world, but these are in the world, and I am coming to join you. Holy Father, keep them in your Name- that Name which you have given me, so that they shall be one, just as we are.”

Maybe more are there but last one I post which is said by Jesus' to disciples:

John 17:20-22 -  "That the all may be made one. Like thou Father art in me, I in thee, that they may be one in us. I in them, they in me, that they may be perfect in one"

See? Same "ONE" is used here. So that means 14(+) Gods? Huh



I don't think it means that so literally. I believe there is one God, as does every Christian I know. This means that we are all one through God. we are brothers in Christ, because he has died for our sins, so that we may be redeemed.

Jesus is God. The fact that He came as a man simply means that God took on the form of a man for awhile in Jesus. Jesus keeps the form of a man. It simply isn't manifested all the time.

We are being made like Jesus. We will never quite attain the exact fullness of God that Jesus has. We will simply be similar to Him.

God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit are all three God. They are not 3 Gods. They are 1 God. Yet they are each individually all God. The Father is all God. The Son is all God. The Holy Spirit is all God. This is something that we can't easily understand. We may never be able to understand it completely... at least not in this life.

We are being drawn into God likeness. We will not ever be God. We will simply partake of "Godness." This is happening right now, in this life. It is the reason that some will not make it to Heaven. They will use their "God strength" from their God likeness to reject themselves. They will think that they are rejecting God. But that is something that cannot be done. They will simply be rejecting their very selves.

Smiley

Q. Assalaamu Alaikum brother. I am Dr. Qamar Aara and my question is – Christians explain the concept of ‘trinity’ as well as, ‘that God can take human form’ – by giving the example that water can be present in 3 states – as ‘solid’ like ice, ‘liquid’ as water, and ‘gas’ as vapour – Yet it is one and the same water. Similarly a person can also be a father, a brother, a business man at the same time – But yet he is one and the same person – So why not the father, the son and the holy sprit?
Posted on November 17, 2012
(Dr. Zakir): The sister has asked the question regarding ‘trinity’. The Christians have the concept of ‘trinity’, – father, son, holy ghost. Her previous question was – I had proved it from the Bible, that Jesus (peace be upon him) never believed in ‘trinity’. Now she gave an example – She has given a human logic, asking a question, that if water can be present in three states – as Solid, Liquid and Gas – as Ice, Water and Vapour – When water can be in 3 states, why can’t God be? Similarly, the Christian missionaries – they pose the question… ‘Even God Almighty can be present in three forms – the father,  son, and holy ghost. But if you analyze, I do agree matter can be in three states – Solid, Liquid and Gas. But you should realize that if water is present in 3 states… solid, liquid, gas – as ice, water, and vapour, in all the three states – the constituents, the component of water is the same… H2O.  Even if its ice,  the constituent and component is H2O –  Even when it is water it is H2O – Even when it is vapour it is H2O – Even when it is ice… even when it is gas or liquid, it is H2O – That’s very important.  Now lets analyze the example they gave of ‘trinity’ – Father, son and holy ghost. In 3 forms if you say… for the sake of argument, I agree – but are the constituents of all these three things, – father, son, that is Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) and holy ghost, the same? We know very well that human beings have got flesh and bones – A spirit and God Almighty have got no flesh and bones. Human beings require to eat -God Almighty does not require to eat. And the same message Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) gave – Its mentioned in the Gospel of Luke Ch. No.24, V.No.39 to 43. That, ‘Behold my hands and feet – Its I myself. Handle me and see – that a spirit has got  no flesh and bones as you see me have. And he gave his hands and feet – And they were overjoyed. To prove what? that he was not a spirit – he was not God Almighty. And the verse continues ‘Do you have meat to eat’ and the next verse says that he ate broiled fish and honey comb.  To prove what? – that he was God? To prove that he was not God! Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) said, ‘A spirit has no flesh and bones, as I have proving that he was not a spirit – he was not Almighty God. Regarding the second example – sister gave the example, that a person can be a father, a brother and a businessman at the same time, – So why can’t God be father, son and holy ghost. It’s a very good example, and I do agree that one person can be a father, can be a brother, and can be a businessman at the same time. Many people out here also may be father, brother and businessman at the same time. But if suppose, the sister of that man tells a secret to the brother, but natural even the father and businessman will know that secret, because he is one and the same person. If a sister tells a secret to the brother, who is a father and a businessman at the same time – when the secret is told to the brother, even the ‘father’ part of that man, and ‘businessman’ part of the man will know the secret. But when you read in the Bible, in the  Gospel of  Mark, Ch. No. 13,  Verse No. 32, it says ‘Of that day, of that hour, knoweth no man, – no, not even the angels in the heaven, nor the son of man, but the father’. ‘The knowledge of the hour of  that day – no one knows. Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) said ‘Except the Father’ – not even the angels, not even himself. If Father -, the God Almighty, and Jesus Christ (peace be upon him), were one and the same – then if knowledge of hour is known to God Almighty, even Jesus should know about it (peace be upon him). So this proves that they were not one. Further… further, if the brother dies, even the man and the businessman will die… If the brother dies, even man and businessman will die. So when Jesus Christ (peace be upon him), according to the Bible… according to the Christians, he died on the Cross – do you mean to say even God Almighty and the Holy ghost died?

Reference : https://zakirnaikqa.wordpress.com/tag/son-and-holy-ghost/
265  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 10, 2015, 07:46:42 AM
But you know what also the Quoran said in a general matter? "And they won't accept you, Neither the Jews nor the Christians until you follow what they believe". Sadly most people are like that.

Wink

5:68 - “Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith.”

5:69 - “Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.”

5:72 - “They do blaspheme who say: "(Allah) is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.”

5:75 - “Christ the son of Mary was no more than an apostle; many were the apostles that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!”

5:76 - “Say: "Will ye worship, besides Allah, something which hath no power either to harm or benefit you? But Allah,- He it is that heareth and knoweth all things."”

5:77 - “Say: "O people of the Book! exceed not in your religion the bounds (of what is proper), trespassing beyond the truth, nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by,- who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the even way.”

5:78 - “Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary: because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses.”

NB: Here children means descendants of a family or people.

5:79 - “Nor did they (usually) forbid one another the iniquities which they committed: evil indeed were the deeds which they did.”

5:82 - “Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.   ”

5:83   - “And when they listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognise the truth: they pray: "Our Lord! we believe; write us down among the witnesses.”

5:84 - "What cause can we have not to believe in Allah and the truth which has come to us, seeing that we long for our Lord to admit us to the company of the righteous?"   

5:85   - “And for this their prayer hath Allah rewarded them with gardens, with rivers flowing underneath,- their eternal home. Such is the recompense of those who do good.”

5:86 - “But those who reject Faith and belie our Signs,- they shall be companions of Hell-fire.”

The similarites of Islam and Christianity

a) Both believes there is one true God.
b) Both believes in doing good works.
c) Both believes in praying, and repentance to sins commited
d) Both teaches to not judge others

The key difference between Islam and Christianity as i see it:

a) Islam believes that Jesus was apostle of God, and not the son of God that he was made to be in the scriptures of the Bible.
b) Christianity believes that Jesus was the son of God, sent to die for our sins, so that we might be redeemed through good works and repentance of sins.

could you perhaps add to these list Muhammad Zakir, about any difference i may have missed, or any errors that i made? I am really enjoying this discussion Smiley


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Jesus was the son of God, sent to die for our sins


i agree with this being taught in Christianity. but can you find some kind of logic in that?
if Jesus was being sent to die for our sins.. we can sin as much as we want, murder anyone, rob, rape, do whatever we want and we wont be punished. because Jesus was sent to die for our sins..

266  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: how much would it take to : on: April 10, 2015, 07:43:51 AM
Hello Netpyder, you can talk to the loljosh, he can make the development of coins with different algos including wallets too. Here you can see what you do and get in touch with : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=466908.0

Greetings .

my wallet has dust for the time being. im not making coins which will be monetized. its just to learn and for fun. ive seen loljosh and his prices. its not so bad, but not for now.. am still in the learning process
267  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 09, 2015, 06:19:44 PM
these religious topics should be locked. i believe it is not making people learn the religion but spreading more hate and more misunderstanding amongst each other.

Ever heard of the term, "Fight fire with fire?" People don't really want to be hateful. But when Islam, the religion of hate, attacks them, they have to fight back. So they begin to look hateful, just like Islam, when all they are doing is, self-defense against Islam.

Smiley


yeah right, that is why israel ,usa, france,china, uk and russia are superpowers and allies. because muslim and islam attacks them  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

It has become evident to the wise people of these superpower nations that, if Islam, the religion of violence, is allowed to exert its influence farther, the whole world will destroy itself by Islamic hate and violence.

What is the evidence of this? The evidence is that even when the superpowers attack Islam out of self-defense, they have a hard time destroying the hateful, violent Islamites. The superpowers are too gentle and peaceful to be able to destroy the more violent, hateful nations of Islam.

Islam thinks that it is inserting itself into the superpower nations. The wise of the superpower nations want the Islamites to think this. Rather, the Islamites are allowed to enter the nations, so the Islamites can teach the people of the nations how to be violent and hateful. Why do the wise superpower rulers want their people to learn violence and hate? They don't! But it is the only way their soldiers can learn the great hate and violence so that they have a chance at beating the Islamites.

The danger is that the Islamites might take over the superpower nations. This isn't much of a danger, however. There is too much hate and violence among the Islamites for them to control much of everything. Otherwise they would have taken over the world long ago. It's why they are not superpowers; their hate and violence hinders them.

Smiley


do you read what you reply? and you find what you wrote something with SENSE?? o.O
268  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 09, 2015, 04:39:28 PM
these religious topics should be locked. i believe it is not making people learn the religion but spreading more hate and more misunderstanding amongst each other.

Ever heard of the term, "Fight fire with fire?" People don't really want to be hateful. But when Islam, the religion of hate, attacks them, they have to fight back. So they begin to look hateful, just like Islam, when all they are doing is, self-defense against Islam.

Smiley


yeah right, that is why israel ,usa, france,china, uk and russia are superpowers and allies. because muslim and islam attacks them  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
269  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: how much would it take to : on: April 09, 2015, 04:31:30 PM
None of this is that hard since Satoshi has done almost all the work. You could learn a lot with this project, but don't be too sad when the value of your coin is far less than the effort of creating it. There are a lot of alts out there.

its nothing about value. just pure fun. i wont be monetizing it anyway.
any help i can get? some spoonfeed threads? or websites even. videos?

very very noob regarding crypto. still learning and fastest way to learn is creating my own coins. trying the trial and error and see what this does to that and stuff like that
270  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Miracles of Bible... on: April 09, 2015, 04:28:22 PM
You might as well believe that Moses never died and he eventually turned into Satoshi.

the best joke ive heard on this forum so far.. its hilarious


Yes it is funny. The husband of khadijah could not be satoshi indeed...

 Cheesy Grin Cheesy


Why did you lock your thread? I was planning to participate in it, the same way you participate in this one right here... Too bad.




too many request to lock it. and these religious thread is just getting ridiculous. its not helping anyone learn or clear the misunderstandings. but more hate and more misunderstanding.
271  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 09, 2015, 04:26:49 PM
these religious topics should be locked. i believe it is not making people learn the religion but spreading more hate and more misunderstanding amongst each other.
272  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: how much would it take to : on: April 09, 2015, 03:21:32 PM
Those guys might help you for some bitcoin.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=664069.0

no the altcoin guy is a noob. it was proven in his post and he had to delete it. check it yourself.
and his price are like he thinks we are breeding bitcoins here Cheesy but well a work is a work i know
273  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: how much would it take to : on: April 09, 2015, 02:14:03 PM
You can do this by forking any open source altcoin that uses the algorithm you would like to use. Mining that coin can be done by using the "generate" option that is in most of the altcoins that were forked from bitcoin. Alternatively, you can setup any mining software and solo mine the coin.

forgot to precise i am a noob, very very new to bitcoins and crypto.

anyone got a spoonfeed tutorial??

basically its for myself, not to put it on the market or anything like that. a fun crypto if you want
274  Bitcoin / Project Development / how much would it take to : on: April 09, 2015, 12:32:27 PM
make an alt coin , its platform, an exchange rate website, and a windows wallet for the alt coin for back and forth transfer?

is there any place where this can be done?

and if yes, how to mine the coin then???
275  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Miracles of Bible... on: April 09, 2015, 12:13:42 PM
You might as well believe that Moses never died and he eventually turned into Satoshi.

the best joke ive heard on this forum so far.. its hilarious
276  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Christians hate people? on: April 09, 2015, 10:36:10 AM
Radical Christians hate people, because like any other religious radicals, they are also blinded by faith. I will give you an example.

In the Peruvian Amazon, there is a tiny tribe called Chayahuita (Shawi), who numbers a few hundred. The Shawi shamans are vary famous for having information on various herbal remedies. In the past few decades, evangelical missionaries have converted some 80% of the Shawi to Christianity. And recently, these neo-Christians have launched a war of extermination against the Shawi shamans.

http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2012/07/fourteen-dead-shamans/

Along with the shamans, a lot of knowledge about various natural remedies are also being lost. An example of Christianity going the way of ISIS.

but then i ask this question to you directly, does that mean muslims are terrorists and islam in a religion that preaches terrorism??

whenever  somebody pin point muslims and say they are terrorist, we muslims defend our religion saying that we are not terrorists and our religion stand up AGAINST terrorism..

then when somebody says chistians are terrorists, you see many people defending christians saying its only a tiny minority who acts that way.. the same way we muslims said that its only a minority which acts that way.. but still no one would want to hear that.

where is the logic?

when it is against muslims and islam, all is good, everybody says terrorists.
when it is against another religion, everybody says no no its not, and just few people does it.

can you explain this to me? i am confused...

muslims tend to be considered more terrosts because of their past and because they are more susceptible to be controlled if there is their religion in play, they are too attached to it

crystian faith on their religion is more on a "normal level", less adulation to their god, less strict ecc....

because of their past?? might you explain that? as far as i know there has been many wars in christianity.. we should all put hands together and march against islamophobia and every single acts of terror. not just suicide bombing or muslims or whatever. these are just a 0.0000000001% of the whole community. murder is an act or terror. battery is an act of terror. everything that spreads fear is and act of terrorism.
277  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Miracles of Quran on: April 09, 2015, 10:08:15 AM
just to reply this quickly, there were hotels around....

Built to the same top-quality standard that the neighbourhood mosque would be? Prove it.

dude hotels.. HOTEL their quality standard are far better than how mosque are built.

now, do you mean mosques are built in the highest quality standards? probably i should built my home that way Cheesy even if a tsunami comes to the island, i will be safe inside Cheesy
278  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: April 09, 2015, 10:06:15 AM

I pity US more than I pity claimed-to-be-muslim terrorists. 1.7 million Germans killed and telling it was Russians who did it! Shocked Cry

He ordered that these Germans did not fall under the Geneva Rules, and were NOT TO BE FED, NOR GIVEN ANY WATER or medical attention. The Swiss Red Cross was NOT to inspect the camps, for under the DEF classification, they had no such authority or jurisdiction.

Months after the war was officially over, Eisenhower’s special German DEF camps were still in operation forcing the men into confinement, but denying that they were prisoners.

For years we have blamed the 1.7 million missing German POW’s on the Russians. Until now, no one dug too deeply … Witnesses and survivors have been interviewed by the author; one Allied officer compared the American camps to Buchenwald.”

It is known, that the Allies had sufficient stockpiles of food and medicine to care for these German soldiers. This was deliberately and intentionally denied them. Many men died of gangrene from frostbite due to deliberate exposure.

Edit: Nazis were at-least kind enough to give food unlike this US.
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i am sure they had some muslims around and the blame would fall on them Cheesy
279  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Miracles of Quran on: April 09, 2015, 10:03:28 AM
I can't comment on "Mosque" as it looks like photoshopped. However, it may or may not be true. I haven't researched about it.

There's no reason to suspect it is photoshopped, simply understanding basic science would explain why the MOST SOLIDLY built structure in the vicinity managed to survive while those NOT BUILT TO THE SAME STANDARD as the mosque, were swept away.

just to reply this quickly, there were hotels around....
280  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Miracles of Quran on: April 09, 2015, 10:02:04 AM
Read the verse correctly. It never said sun tries to catch uo the moon. Blatant lie!

Stop being so dishonest. You know damn well that to claim the Sun is not PERMITTED to do something is to imply that it may otherwise attempt to.

I forbid you to float up into the air! There, you are not permitted to float up into the air. Does that make me somehow the being responsible for you not being able to float up into the air?




you really need to read your comment before you post them. you twist lines so much that in the end you make fun of yourself.
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