Read the site. The "above average" citizen is one that qualifies for all of those various taxes. ie, one that pays income taxes, has a corporation, owns land, drives, and qualifies for the "other" 5%.

You're the one in my thread, ragging on me. I don't think that qualifies you to call me a troll.
http://www.nowandfutures.com/taxes.html
Total tax percentage potentially paid by the above average US citizen, 2013 est. - 59.7%

FYI, just the income taxes, total an average of 27.1%.

Psst. It's not just from payroll. There's a lot of other, "hidden" taxes. Sales tax is just one of those.

No thanks, I prefer to strike the root of evil, rather than hack away at the branches.

And just because it says "promote the general welfare" in the preamble, that does not mean than it anywhere authorizes the government to give handouts.

Chicago/any of the various heavy gun control cities would be a bad place to be.

Interestingly enough, welfare is not constitutional.

And considering the fact that the core tenet of libertarianism is the non-aggression principle, to the extent that the libertarian holds to his principles, that libertarian is an anarchist.

You're right, it's usually much more. That was a conservative estimate.

Or, maybe just stopped robbing them of 20-30% of their pay?

You're really saying that:
a) roads and other infrastructure, the protection of private property, and the other various benefits that a government provides to it's citizens could not be voluntarily funded, and;
b) that robbery is moral if I have a jacket that says IRS?

Pretty neat.

You don't get it, do you? It's not free. It's paid for by that very money that was stolen from them!

The benefit can be achieved without the force. And the proper definition of "taxation" does not include what the government then proceeds to do with the funds acquired through taxation, but only the means of acquiring the funds.

All taxes are immoral, and wrong.

And that's before taxes. And the other state and federal withholdings.

To say nothing of the 5-10% of your money that gets sucked away every time you buy something (unless you live in New Hampshire)

Well, I'm not a 90 year-old woman, and I didn't say hello at the door part time. I worked in the freezer, pulling apart pallets and stocking the shelves. I don't recall the hourly rate, but it was significantly better than minimum wage, and I was able to support myself just fine. I don't recall all my bennies, either, but I do know I had a 401(k) through them. I think I had health insurance, too.
EDIT: I remember I got an employee discount, too. Nothing special, 5% or so... and that was applied before tax, too. It was pretty nice.
Yes, that is the definition of taxation.

The government taking money by force?

I never said I don't like where the money goes (though I certainly do object to paying for the murder of brown people on the other side of the planet). I take issue with the way they get it.

Please try reading. I was agreeing with you that the workers are owed money for work. Again, that is called "pay." And, again, I clearly recall getting a paycheck when I worked at Walmart. They even cashed it for me.

Yes, they do owe them money for work. That's called "pay," and if I recall from my days working at Wal-mart, we did get paid.

Nice. Puppy is a pretty clean OS.

Do you have any idea how much Americans give to charity? There is no need for welfare. Before welfare, mutual aid groups and private charities did a fine job of taking care of the less fortunate.

Welfare as we know it is a direct result of the great depression, which in turn is a direct result of the federal reserve and inflation. Government created a problem that it had to step in and "fix."

Most modern distros have the updated rm. But yeah, if you actually run rm -rf / you're well and truly. Time to get out the recovery/install disk.

Boy, you are just on a roll. If missing the point were an Olympic event, you would be a gold medalist, and probably world record holder.

We're not worried about the poor guy getting the coat. As you see in the first frame, the poor guy got a coat voluntarily. Do you not see the connection between the second and third frames?

Yeah, deciding laws by majority decision is stupid. It's better to have a simple principle, that everyone can agree on, like, say, "No person has the right to initiate the use of force, threat of force, or fraud on another person or their property," and let people choose what other additional rules, if any, they want to live under, and who they would like to enforce those rules.