LOL I still something is strange although this time it was in my favor according to the graph.  Hell if I know what it means. I'm guessing a price jump in coins that were mined before? |
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One thing I noticed is that the 3.4b version of EBWF seems to have a hardcoded 2% devfee built in. I'm guessing that on multialgo that is going to get amplified due to multiple restarts of the miner over time. It may normally only do X shares out of the miner over time, but restarting likely resets that counter back and causes you to give another 2%. Depending on how often it is switching that could add up to a significant amount.
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This forum along with common sense is the FAQ  What common sense did I miss exactly? Common sense means that most would know the answer without any prior knowledge. Nothing about crypto is common sense at this point. Everything is an experiment and the results between two people's experience can vary greatly. That's why there is more than one way to do things and why people ask questions. |
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Do you have verified accounts? I'm Level 2 verified and all of my withdrawals have been processed very quickly. This seems like it is likely a problem with a lack of verified identity requiring manual review and a support staff that is extremely overloaded. I don't really see any indications that there is a systemic problem.
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People get bored answering a question over and over and every new miner over the forums has to ask something that countless numbers of people already asked before him. It usually leas to answers that might seem offensive to you, but I don't believe they are meant to.
As for the graph - it's a nice thingy, but you should ignore it, and stick to the numbers. There are better looking pools, but we are mining here for the profit and despite all the accusations and so many people trying to imply something else, the pool has top profitability (or people wouldn't stick here, after all).
IMO if you have NVIDIA - you can mine equihash (probably a bit better in terms of power usage, at least on my setups), blake2s or lyra2v2, and ignore all the hopping. The reason I'd not hop around is because people do it, then the pool they left starts to report higher earnings, they hop back, and in some way it disrupts the constant flow, instead the hash power is swinging around and you lose time between miner activations. it's not "per hour", but if you want better overview, you can jump on the front page, click on any algo and see the last hour/24h earnings, yours would be between these, and if you hop instantly, it might be hearly the per hour number when there is profitable currency being mined. I look there from time to time, but I avoid jumping the moment something shows a good hour of lucky mining. Take skein for example, it might look bad at 0.0039 or so, but that's what the pool reports, in reality you might be mining at 0.0048 and you'd be happy doing so. Now if it sticks at 0.003n - you should probably switch over elsewhere.
Of course, everyone has an opinion, so take my advice with a grain of salt. But in any case - ignore the graph and look at your daily earnings AND the leftover in unpaid balance.
I completely understand the attrition of answering the same questions, but silence is rarely a good answer. FAQ's that you can direct people too will often alleviate that need. As I said my questions aren't just because I want things to be maximized for me, but also because people are insinuating a potential problem with the pool itself. I've stuck around because I believe that the pool is likely profitable, but I'm not the type to just sit and let things roll when things look strange. Things are moving far too quick in the cryptoworld to let some things go unnoticed. I appreciate your insight and will maybe cut down the number of algos that I'm monitoring. You're likely right that I'm losing more time in the switching than I realize. I just wish there was better information readily available to do the comparisons. I apologize if I seemed like I wanted you to just hand me answers. Sometimes I feel like it is easier to ask someone in the know that might have the answer immediately available rather than digging through pages and pages of forums posts for an answer that may or may not be there. The difference is I'm okay if someone tells me that they don't know and I don't judge them for it. Seems like most people aren't willing to admit when they don't know something these days. I work in IT support and I'm curious by nature so I'm always trying to find the answers to things I don't know or understand. |
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I wouldn't go with the GTX 1080. The GTX 1070 is a better card for the money and will outperform the 1080 on ETH. I have a MSI GTX 1080 GAMING X and only get ~25 MH/s on ETH. The GTX 1070 can get ~31 MH/s.
That's if you want to mine ETH. I'm primarily mining DGB. Also the availability of 1070's are getting about as hard as 1080's in some places. |
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Unless the pool gives some extra reward for finding blocks or something like that the only difference is going to be how they payout and the fees involved. You want to have a pool that has at least enough hash rate to regularly get some blocks. So going with a tiny pool likely isn't going to be a very good option. Fees I would look to try and keep around 2% maximum since that is where the big pools are sitting.
Pools that payout with exchanged coins can have a lot of unknown hidden fees due to you not being able to control when the coins get exchanged and the transfer of the coins to and from exchanges can have fees associated with it as well. These type of fees rarely are explained or shown to you. The coins are eventually going to have to go to an exchange to be sold out anyways so the transfer fees are likely unavoidable. You may or may not want to control or hold the coins until the price goes up or deal with having your own exchange accounts.
Generally speaking you'd like to find a pool that pays via PPLNS (Pay per last N shares). This as opposed to a straight PPS (Pay per share) pool since the PPLNS will give you slightly more over time by paying out a little "luck" extra, but may give you higher variance in each individual payout. Overall though being a small fish in a huge pond or a small fish in a small pond won't make a huge difference provided the pool is legit and not manipulating your returns. Safest bet is to go with something big like Suprnova since the chances they will run off with your earnings are pretty small and the payouts are very regular.
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Someone requested a guide on how to build out a 6 card mining rig and so I wrote up one. This one is mainly focused on Nvidia cards, but certainly could be used to build with AMD cards as well, but would require a different mining software. This could maybe be expanded to 7 cards if you get an M.2 to PCIe adapter, but I haven't tried that. I'll try and expand on it a bit more as time goes on to include other hashrates and recommendations. If you have any questions feel free to shoot me a PM or reply and I'll see what I can do to assist. I would not recommend the 1080ti unless you have cheap electricity. You only get about 50% more hashing power than the 1080 and it uses significantly more power. I'd say cost to benefit ratio puts the 1070's at the top with the 1080's having more hashing power, but costing more than the margin you gain. So in the long run the 1080 will be more productive, but more upfront cost and take longer to pay off whereas the 1070 is cheaper upfront, but will lose out in long term production. Motherboard: https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-PRIME-Z270-LGA1151-Motherboard/dp/B01NGTYV2Q/ref=sr_1_1?rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1497395659&sr=8-1&keywords=asus+prime+z270-aSetup Video for motherboard to run 6 GPU's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR-FkpU2KfI8GB DDR4 memory: https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-HyperX-2133MHz-Non-ECC-HX421C14FBK2/dp/B00TY6A1P0/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1497397046&sr=1-3&refinements=p_n_feature_five_browse-bin%3A677427011%2Cp_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A10656894011Processor: https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i3-6100-Cache-Processor-BX80662I36100/dp/B015VPX2EO/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1497397196&sr=1-2&keywords=intel+1151+i3Risers: https://www.amazon.com/6-Pack-PCI-E-Powered-Adapter-Extension/dp/B01N3UVJHM/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1497395758&sr=8-4&keywords=mining+risersPower supply: Get 1 for your first 3 - GTX1070/1080's buy a 2nd for an additional 3 cards https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Modular-Supply-Platinum-Certified/dp/B00A0HZMKG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497395794&sr=8-1&keywords=corsair+platinum+power+supplyFor 2 power supplys get something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Add2PSU-Multiple-Connector-Genetek-Electric/dp/B0711WX9MC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1497395957&sr=8-4&keywords=add2psuThere are cheaper options, but this makes your life simple Cheap SSD: https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-120GB-SDSSDA-120G-G26-Newest-Version/dp/B01F9G414U/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1497396037&sr=1-2&keywords=ssd+120gbBuy GTX 1080's: https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-ZT-P10800C-10P-IceStorm-Wraparound-Ultra-wide/dp/B01GCAVRSU/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1497396058&sr=1-5&keywords=gtx+1080https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-GV-N1080G1-GAMING-8GD-Graphics/dp/B01GJEE9BG/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1497396058&sr=1-2&keywords=gtx+1080Basically search for GTX 1080 and buy what is in stock. There are some the perform slightly better than others and if you want to find efficiency you'll have to play and see which ones perform best for you. They will all generally do about 700-800MH/s Skein Build a mining rig case like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cscm8blV40cInstall Windows 7/8/10 Install VNC/Teamviewer for remote control Install NVidia drivers Increase Virtual Memory in Windows to allow for up to 16 gig of virtual memory. This will help if you decide to mine other algorithms later. Not needed for Skein. Download and install MSI Afterburner and set the Power Limit% to 75-80% This will slightly affect your overall hashrate, but the amount of power savings vs loss of hashrate will likely end in your favor. Not to mention it will generate far less heat and extend the life of your cards. https://www.msi.com/page/afterburnerDownload Nemo's Miner pack here and get the Alexis76ccminer from it for best Skein: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1777336.0Alternatively use SPmod's which is about the same or sometimes slightly better. You be the judge: https://github.com/sp-hash/ccminer/releases/tag/1.5.81Put it together and it will look something like this: (only have 5 GPU's in mine at the moment simply because I had some bad cards buying clearance open box ones from Microcenter:   Total price on Amazon right now not including the wood and screws you have to buy from your local hardware store: $3,945.02 That's with 6xGTX1080 between $500-550 each. You could certainly start with a couple of cards and a single power supply to get the price down around $2k to begin with. Hashrate will be roughly 4.35GH/s with a power draw of about 1KW/hr. Currently that gives: http://whattomine.com/coins/114-dgb-skein?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr=4350.0&p=1000.0&fee=2&cost=0.13&hcost=4000.0&commit=CalculateBreak even in 68days provided price doesn't drop, less if it goes back up. You can likely get some of these parts cheaper elsewhere and drop the cost some, but this is what I got. I'm assuming you have the following already in one way or another: Windows license - Win 7/8/10 Mouse/Keyboard Monitor for temporary setup - once installed install Teamviewer or VNC to remote in from another computer. Unless it locks hard you should be able to manage it remotely. If you liked it throw a few BTC/ETH/DGB my way  BTC Wallet: 14HMrsyhfCDTpuZUTf6fS7rxTpCg8yGB2b ETH Wallet: 0xa7fa8e2cd259054e7d9d51f72b03a9efe17aafd3 DGB Wallet: DTEMsrrcCv1VPFbDXud6MWjGQF3bLdeUKo |
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I don't hear you complaining about the spike up after a little "flat" spot... and all those numbers above the graphs... are your earnings. I'm not a developer and didn't code the pool or its graphing.
They're weren't simple questions, you're asking me for advice on what to mine and what software to use. I don't do multiaglo or GPU mining so I have no idea, you've better off just posting in the thread.
I guess I expected too much in thinking that you understood how your pool operated. Seems like something that the admin would likely want to know since you offer the feature and should likely want to improve the efficiency of your pool to maximize profits for all. Guess the posts I've seen elsewhere about you not knowing how things work are more true than I hoped. Which is kind of sad.
The graph is a terrible way to figure out your earnings. Yes it's nice to see an upwards slope, but really, just write down your "unpaid" value and note the time. Now wait a few hours / days (the longer the better). Now write down your new "unpaid" and divide it by the hours between the 2 readings.
It's relatively trivial to do this with a python script using the zpool API.
I have no idea why the graphs are messing up, but yes it is annoying. In the past it was because of coins devaluing at the exchange before they can be cashed out. ("unpaid" is an estimate, not a set number), I don't know if that's still the case or not, but it happens on all multi-coin pools sometimes.
Also there are problems that seem to coincide with payout processing. I've seen the stratum connection drop fairly regularly during those times, and it's visible as a drop on my hashrate graph until the pool starts running smoothly again. It doesn't happen often in a day, so the overall effect isn't much, but it's not ideal.
Unfortunately, before you "go elsewhere", there are few good alternatives to zpool. One of the major alternatives uses PROP as a payment system and is obviously being gamed by the pool operator for profit. Another major alternative has stupidly high fees (but well hidden in the small print).
You're right it should be pretty simple to code something in Python, but unfortunately I've lost most of my coding skills over the years to a medical condition and was hoping the pool admin might know the best way to mine on their pool. If not then a simple I'm not sure the best way to mine would have been a perfectly valid response to my questions, but instead I got silence and a passive aggressive snide response. I'm not the first person who has questioned these things so to not have any response for it seems like they don't much care. As for alternatives there is plenty of pure mining pools that don't auto-exchange that I could mine on as well. As I mentioned in a previous post I was hoping to get some pure BTC instead of depressing markets that I hope will continue to rise. I'll work on trying to get a python script to monitor the earnings rate over time. It very well could just be a graph problem, the slope of the payout seems to indicate there is a smoothing operation to it since it is not a straight vertical line for payout even though I'm pretty sure it is a one time operation and not an actual incremental payout over some time. That in itself might explain why the appearance of lesser earnings immediately after a payout occurs. If anything I'm trying to assist by asking the questions and bringing up potential problems. That doesn't seem like a totally unreasonable thing to me. Taking the attitude of be happy you're earning anything doesn't really encourage people to stick around though. |
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Seriously noobies worrying about graphs to much...
balance and earnings are still increasing.. thats all that matters
I know right. The graph is the only means that we have to determine our earnings. If the pool gave some clear indication of the earnings we would have more to go on. A flat graph would indicate that it wasn't going up during that period. Excuse me for wanting to know what the benefit of me mining on the pool is. I mean if you don't want us to mine on the pool I'll be happy to go elsewhere. Not to mention I sent you a PM on the forums asking a simple questions about what to use for Equihash 2 days ago and you haven't bothered to respond. Seems like you don't really care if people want to mine on your pool or not. |
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Seriously what is going on with the earnings? I've been mining full out and for what appears to be over an hour my graph is completely flat  I'm using zpools multialgo method and it seems like it switched me a few times during that period between Lyra2v2, hmq1725, Equihash, Blake2s, and Bitcore. Yet there looks to be almost no earnings gained from any of it. Is there something we don't understand about how earnings are calculated or something? Is it possible to get some way to get a quantifiable average earnings for the last X period or something besides the totally non-descript balance graph? |
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All of the numbers after each mining algorithm are your hashrates so that the pool can decide which coin is most profitable.
They are not setting the difficulty at all and you need to use d=X as you have in your last command.
So if my rig is getting a total of 1.2ksol/s for Equihash, my factor would be -p equihash=1200? BTW, I noticed you have a -p -c=BTC,etc,etc,etc. I think the dash before the c=BTC is your problem. Found a post that equihash should be measured in kSol/sec. So you would want to put 1.2 for equihash Speaking of Equihash, is the actual correct on the main page? I've seen seen a coin even half of what the actual says it is. It looks right to me at least right now. SS of my 3 machines mining:  SS of my frontpage on zpool:  Obviously there is a bit of luck involved, but it actually seems to be showing slightly higher in some cases. It does take a bit to ramp up on the main page because I believe it is a rolling average. I notice it takes a minute or two to get up to what appears full speed on the main page, but I suspect that is just an artifact of the averaging. We'll see how it goes. I'm not sure that Zpool is really worth it to me when I can be mining something like 2200DGB/day and it will go back up in a matter of time. I'll give it some more time and see how it goes. |
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All of the numbers after each mining algorithm are your hashrates so that the pool can decide which coin is most profitable.
They are not setting the difficulty at all and you need to use d=X as you have in your last command.
So if my rig is getting a total of 1.2ksol/s for Equihash, my factor would be -p equihash=1200? BTW, I noticed you have a -p -c=BTC,etc,etc,etc. I think the dash before the c=BTC is your problem. Found a post that equihash should be measured in kSol/sec. So you would want to put 1.2 for equihash |
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Glad I could help. Drop me a line if you run into any troubles and I'll see if I can assist.
Good luck and let's keep DGB rockin'!
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Don't worry guys I am working on it. The fast solution is 99% going to involve a hard fork. I will also be adding new seed nodes while I am at it.
IF the hard fork does not happen, the scenario below will happen:
Right now, there seems to be only about 4-6 people with confirmed ECA in their wallet. By block 11880, about 20-30 people will have confirmed ECA for staking as there were some people mining 150 blocks before the bonanza. I estimate it will take about 16-17 days to reach block 11880 if the 4-6 people stake daily. When the next 20-30 people, assuming they transferred some ECA from the pool to their wallets get confirmed, the next block where many people will be confirmed is 11950. Block 11950 will take 4 days to reach if everyone who became confirmed on block 11880 stake daily. After that confirmed ECA in wallets will be in the 100s and things will move much faster. Everyone remaining can get their ECA within 1-2 days. This scenario is based on many assumptions and I believe a fork would be a much better solution.
Keep in mind that this kind of distribution of coins was never tried before and it was hard to anticipate while originally designing some parameters how many people would be using the coin before the Bonanza and after it.
No it seemed like you just had no clue how to design a coin and plan for your actual end of your bonanza. You didn't seem to think about how the confirmations would work at all and made gross assumptions about how websites like coinmarketcap would just ignore the market dilution and put you at #1 even though it is obvious that would never have happened. Then you went and paid $300 to write an article trying to claim that Electra was #1 market cap coin knowing that it wasn't even possible because all your coins are locked in the blockchain. How about a little admission of your clearly lacking any real knowledge of how this was supposed to actually work. Now you're doing the research that should have been done before the coin was released and someone is telling you how you might fix it. Dead coin is dead. No market worth anything is going to trust this coin for anything but a useless failed gimmick. |
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Seems Blake2s is having issues again with reported hashrates.
Miner displays correct speeds and share submitted but site shows 10% and is effectively reducing percentage of block rewards mined.
Anyone else running into the issue?
I've been only running on this pool for a couple of days and notice that my earnings are fairly significantly lower than I expected them to be. I've had a few outages and non-optimal things running, but still only getting .0127BTC from 7-GTX1080's and 1 GTX1080Ti it seems pretty low to me. I expected closer to .02 at least. With mining some of these super low volume coins on tiny exchanges I'm not sure how the payout actually works. The estimates coming out of Multipoolminer seem like they are way off compared to what I'm actually seeing realized on the pool. Nicehash miner is paying out pretty much the same with just my 5-1080 mining rig. I'm not ready to throw the towel in yet considering I'm still tweaking, but something definitely feels off from where I expect it to be. Might just go back to mining up DGB for a while, but was hoping to get some pure BTC instead of having to dump on the DGB market. |
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First place in CoinMarketCap  It's dream was main target of this project. Rank 696 most realy for it. Sorry, I'm allredy forget Electra. Don't think it was ever stated that was our 'dream'. It would have been nice if Electra didn't get fucked over by coinmarketcap bug, but it won't stop Electra. It's not a bug, its obvious manipulation of a system that Electra obviously doesn't understand. Just because a price was one thing today if you add 19 billion coins the price doesn't stay the same. The second the coins actually hit a wallet that could sell the price would have been gone. You guys act like the daily volume of the coin doesn't matter. It's not just a simple 1 coin sold for $120 therefore all 19 billion coins are worth $120 each. Market dilution is a very basic economic idea. http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/diluted-normalized-earnings-per-share.aspYou issue more shares or release more coins and the price per coin goes down unless someone puts more money in to raise the price back up. Most beginners in trading know more than what has been demonstrated here. |
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Any mining investment is risky - the key is to set up a flexable setup that can change with coin profitability changes.
Right now, it appears the best DGB options are the NVidia 1070/1080 and possibly the 1080ti, running skein or groetsl (varies WHICH is better from day to day and sometimes hour to hour) - which leaves you with quite a few non-DGB coin options if profitability drops.
If RX 470/480/570/580 card availability and the resulting gouge pricing had not happened though, ETH on AMD would probably be better returns on a $ earned/$ spent basis.
I would not recommend the 1080ti unless you have cheap electricity. You only get about 50% more hashing power than the 1080 and it uses significantly more power. I'd say cost to benefit ratio puts the 1070's at the top with the 1080's having more hashing power, but costing more than the margin you gain. So in the long run the 1080 will be more productive, but more upfront cost and take longer to pay off whereas the 1070 is cheaper upfront, but will lose out in long term production. Motherboard: https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-PRIME-Z270-LGA1151-Motherboard/dp/B01NGTYV2Q/ref=sr_1_1?rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1497395659&sr=8-1&keywords=asus+prime+z270-aSetup Video for motherboard to run 6 GPU's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR-FkpU2KfI8GB DDR4 memory: https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-HyperX-2133MHz-Non-ECC-HX421C14FBK2/dp/B00TY6A1P0/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1497397046&sr=1-3&refinements=p_n_feature_five_browse-bin%3A677427011%2Cp_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A10656894011Processor: https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i3-6100-Cache-Processor-BX80662I36100/dp/B015VPX2EO/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1497397196&sr=1-2&keywords=intel+1151+i3Risers: https://www.amazon.com/6-Pack-PCI-E-Powered-Adapter-Extension/dp/B01N3UVJHM/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1497395758&sr=8-4&keywords=mining+risersPower supply: Get 1 for your first 3 - GTX1070/1080's buy a 2nd for an additional 3 cards https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Modular-Supply-Platinum-Certified/dp/B00A0HZMKG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497395794&sr=8-1&keywords=corsair+platinum+power+supplyFor 2 power supplys get something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Add2PSU-Multiple-Connector-Genetek-Electric/dp/B0711WX9MC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1497395957&sr=8-4&keywords=add2psuThere are cheaper options, but this makes your life simple Cheap SSD: https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-120GB-SDSSDA-120G-G26-Newest-Version/dp/B01F9G414U/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1497396037&sr=1-2&keywords=ssd+120gbBuy GTX 1080's: https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-ZT-P10800C-10P-IceStorm-Wraparound-Ultra-wide/dp/B01GCAVRSU/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1497396058&sr=1-5&keywords=gtx+1080https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-GV-N1080G1-GAMING-8GD-Graphics/dp/B01GJEE9BG/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1497396058&sr=1-2&keywords=gtx+1080Basically search for GTX 1080 and buy what is in stock. There are some the perform slightly better than others and if you want to find efficiency you'll have to play and see which ones perform best for you. They will all generally do about 700-800MH/s Skein Build a mining rig case like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cscm8blV40cDownload Nemo's Miner pack here and get the Alexis76ccminer from it for best Skein: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1777336.0Alternatively use SPmod's which is about the same or sometimes slightly better. You be the judge: https://github.com/sp-hash/ccminer/releases/tag/1.5.81Put it together and it will look something like this: (only have 5 GPU's in mine at the moment simply because I had some bad cards buying clearance open box ones from Microcenter: Total price on Amazon right now not including the wood and screws you have to buy from your local hardware store: $3,945.02 That's with 6xGTX1080 between $500-550 each. Hashrate will be roughly 4.35GH/s with a power draw of about 1KW/hr. Currently that gives: http://whattomine.com/coins/114-dgb-skein?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr=4350.0&p=1000.0&fee=2&cost=0.13&hcost=4000.0&commit=CalculateBreak even in 68days provided price doesn't drop, less if it goes back up. You can likely get some of these parts cheaper elsewhere and drop the cost some, but this is what I got. Oh you'll need a copy of windows as well, but I assume you either have a license or can get one. If you liked it throw a few DGB my way DGB Wallet: DTEMsrrcCv1VPFbDXud6MWjGQF3bLdeUKo |
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How about you make 432 more blocks that don't give any rewards that people can mine.
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Do not worry people I will not abandon Electra. I will work on a fix but it may take a few days. Until then, I urge you to stay patient.
Electra shouldn't YOU, the coin creator, have confirmed coins to stake? LOL this is such a joke, don't even know how their own coin is supposed to work. |
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