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OK, lets start from begining. We have some libertianists society establashed.
I am do not know how, - lets imagine that this is a result of comet impact.
Well, after some time, - when big teath and hard muscles (and maybe some firearms) will stop plaing their major role, we will have some society based on libertinans ideas, - for some reasons ( there is no any of that reasons, but still).
Well. it is strange, but around this society will be some other societis.
And this is true, even in a case when that society will arise without any comet impact. Strange, huh - ?
Again, we have some libertianist society on land limited state.
That is remind me about "socialism in one, separately taken country". But we will throw away that uncomfortable comparison for now.
Ahh, i am forgot. Do you know what was a necessary condition for the victory of communism ? -
The spread of world revolution to the whole world.
That guys, your know, like - Marks, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, was absolutely confident about this. That caused all that famous KGB hyperactivity, through the world.
But lets count this, just as historycle remark.
Ok, now we have some pure, and even fanatical libertianists in some place.
Well there is coming one generation ... Let assume that this generations was teached at home.
Next Generation should fight for their rights, because, they are know, that they should fight for their rights,
or they will be dumped as trash.
Suddenly there is some fking strangers arise from other countries. Oh FK ! We was not started world fire
of liberty in surounding countries, we was to busy by raising our childs as true citizens of Liberty at that time.
Well, libertians are fully free. They are free to gather in gangs, and burn out those awkward immigrant`s.
Nice. Smell of freshly smoked "slave minded" immigrants will please their minds for some time.
But new problems will arise to a new established community.
Some idiot working on relativly infinite source of energy for humanity. Ha- ha-ha - "Humanity".
Idiot for real.
It is just coincedence that this moron are smart enough to work on somethig like this - you know : Raining man, and all that genial idiots.
- Just in case, - that he can really solve that problem, we should take him under our protection.
- No Way ! WE should take him under our protection !
Huh ? YOU ? You are just bunch of idiots that depends on electricity !
You have no idea what FREEDOM is about !
- Morons ! - Bustards ! - BANG! - PEWW !! - PEW,PEW,PEW !
-Okey, it seems like we are loose. But as open minded and really free libertians, we can not allow, that somebody will have advantage over us.
-HACK! Sorry, moron. But we should to kill you, before that power willing bustards, will claim results of your work.
We are ready to do anything, to defend our freedom !
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Well, i am do not want to stop your brave libertianists fight. Look at this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzxRCbCXlz0 There is just a little example of what we are achieved on far north, wide land, surrounded by enemys. What communism idea achieved. I`am was born in 1975. That ideas are not simple echoes, of distant past for me. They never will be just empty sound for me. I am will die with them in my brain. And we are FAILED. And your fight for "bright libertian future" also will fail. But we both doing same good joob. We are preserving balance, - we are fighting for justice. And there is no difference are we at same, or different side`s of barricade - we are like advocate and procuror. We are fighting for truth. |
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Ahh, i am get it. In some way he is right. If there will no be fight for freedom, than we will be live in some dictating society.
Libertianism is off point here, but just because that movement did not exist in that times.
But there was another movement for freedom, and lots of that movement mans and womans died for their believs.
Now, due to their extrimism we are enjoed the free speach.
But it seems like he want to shot my mouth with clap. And this is very un-Libertianists.
At least it looked like, he wants to take my freedom to speak about this, - away from me.
That is not libertianists way. But i am will not give him that freedom, do not matter how strong he want to take it from me.
LoL
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What a pile of shit. You really don't have any idea what libertarianism actually is, do you?
And you definately don't, AyeYo.
I don't think that either of you understand that your continued ability to express your opinons about libertarians on this list is entirely dependent upon the ideology that you think so little of. You may continue to express your views, as popular as they may be outside of this forum and beyond the Internet, mainly because it is the firm belief of the powers present that you have the right to do so. Thus, you have the liberty to defame your hosts, because the dominate ideology in control of this forum believes that you have that right. Go try and support libertarian ideals on any forum that is not predominately libertarian and see how long your hosts permit you to do so. Note that this degree of tolerance the opinons of others does not depend upon you believing that you have any such right.
I am read through that post and was surprised that it means just " blah-blah-blah". I am did not belive in this and give that post to be translated by google. Unfortunatly - it again turns in "Blag-blah-blah" I am was surprised and asked my english speaking friend about his opinion. He answered me, that it is just "Bluh-bluh-bluh", and i am can ignore this. But just in case, that there is, maybe, some missunderstanding, i am asking your, forum user that reads this, advice - is that just "Blah-blah-blah", or there lies some arguements that i shoiuld answer ? |
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Funny how, again, you seem to skirt the issues being presented.
You can laugh, but just imagin, how boring is to read through theme named - "This is where I stop believing Obama is possibly a rational, intelligent man." LoL |
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Thats This is not true at all. Communism does require a near absolute participation rate to be successful, but libertarianism does not. You seem to believe that, because we have an ideal goal to aim for, that a society that fails to obtain such lofty heights wouldn't still be a society that we would prefer to live in right now. That is a rediculous assumption. We aim high, in part, because that is the only way to make progress. For if you start with the open willingness to compromise, you will end up settling for less than you could have achieved. This is true in any negotiation, and politics is basicly a negotiation on an ongoing and national scale. Would a communist prefer to live in a moderately more socially dictated society that ours? Probably not, because a thinking communist would understand that a half-measure of communism would undermine itself. This is not so with liberty. I would choose a somewhat more libertarian society, and if others were to choose to create small enclaves of communism within that society, that effects me very little if at all.
That is why, i am never tend to supress some point of view. My deep believe is that we, as world society, need extremists point of views. Somebody who believs in some thing, should to throw everything on the scales, to make his believs anyhow valued by others. We live in a world where balance is established only by extremists, not by the 80 % of inert mass. If you are interested why fully Libertians society are doomed - i am hope you will kisten to this arguments: Society contents lots of individuals, that are not interested only in private freedom, and that is more important, not all of them are some wellfare animals. There is some guys who dreamed and work to visit Mars someday. Some mathematics (well, i am forced refer to Perelman). All that peaples, that fighting with things they found realy important, and that things are not exist in material plane, but much more important for them. And again i am should mention somebody like Korolev - He worked on rockets being a prisioner. What i am talking about ? Think about this: This really important for humanity guy`s just have no time to fight fot their rights. They honestly thinks that their rights, freedoms, incomes, are UNIMPORTANT for humanity. Where will be their place in Libertian society ? They will quickly become SLAVES. Why ? Because Libertianism are extreme form of egoism. Any Libertian, will take so much freedom, as it can from anybody, who not bother about personal freedom. And there i came to point why clear Libertianist`s society will fail. It will destroyed by competition. First it will be just economic competition. Unbelievably fast that competitions will turn in battle combat. That process will ends by dictatorship of some more succseble libertianist. And as dictator he has chance to astablish dynasty that will last for maximum 5-6 generations- we know much of that examples. |
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It is funny how close Libertians and Communists are close, ar least at their idealism.
Both Communism and Libertianism, seems to have ability to function and benefit their society members.
But both of them have the same flaw.
They both can operate successfully, but only in case that all, or at least 90 % of their populations, - share the same idea. In case of Communism - it is the idea of collective benefit.
In case of Libertianism - it is idea of preservation of personal freedom at any cost.
But Society`s will not NEVER - and again, just for better understanding -
will
NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER
share same idea at this high (around 90%) level.
That is a hard lesson that Russian Communism experiement give to the world.
If somwhere in the world will arise community of Libertians, than somwhere at range of 5-6 generation, will be time when world should help them to get rid of that idea.
Not because the world will need their "values", but becose they will, indeed need that help.
I am not trying to confuse anybody. This is just my opinion.
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Well, my idea of full personal freedom is EDEM. Adam and Eva, and fk that whitebirded creature and snake.
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According to the report of my agent in the anti-wold , price will stabilize at -2.30 ( minus 2.30 BTC), because there exists a strong resistance level, which prevents the BTC infiltration from our world.
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Hey OP, wait ar least for 10. Just friendly advice.
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Believe am i, that bottom will be 10.5. Preparing buying here.
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Indeed it goes. Stay will on 13.7 for some time. Chance good of 10 on evening saturday .
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Ну вроде настроился без особых проблем. Будем посмотреть.
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AVG 9 ... I see... Just do not let him delete your wallet.dat - ok ?
This is will be really funny, but not for you.
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If 18 will broken, we can expect way down to 15. Interesting.
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Скоро будет "Найдена уязвимость в сети биткоин - если отправить 1 бтс на адрес хххх то через сутки вернется 2 бтс. Я сам не верил, но решил отправить <скриншот> - это действительно работает!!!".
Это уже мелькало с неделю назад, в англоязычном секторе. |
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Похоже поползли к 15-и, интересно ...
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А нет никакого регистратора. В этом-то вся и прелесть. А NMC потраченные на регистрацию уничтожаются.
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Poclbm miner gives me 165 accepted shares and 41 stale. This is unacceptable.
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Kiv, that bug fixes in 0614 - totally fixed translate issues - Congrats. Using it now.
Goozman96, it is hard even to guess, what antivirus give you that report. Can you be more specific ?
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