This only move the problem.

Even if centers are discs, it still imply directional force.

Even like tree trunks are round. They are cylindrical because of concept of up/down with sunlights.

But in space, there is no absolute concept of up and down, left / right or such.

Sphere have unique property that they are identical when viewed from any angle.

Unless there is some kind of directional force at play in the universe to give a sense of up/down and direction, there is no reason for anything to become shaped as a disc.

All known forces in Physics are not specially directional. They apply in all direction the same.

Im not sure how flat earther solve the issue that most celestial bodies appears round no matter from which angle they are seen.

That would imply some kind of billboarding like in video game to keep all discs faced toward earth to keep them viewed as round no matter the viewing angle ?


Even if curvature is not seen in picture taken from altitude and planes windows are faked, we still never see a picture of earth with all continents on a single face ?

And we still never see the "side" of it either.

And it always looks the same shape from all angle, no matter which part is visible on the picture. So that would be hard to explain this with disc shaped earth.

Who is not scared of death lol

I already showed in the other threads that most points in the talk origin link are based on outdated science and innacurate statements.

It more look like some old stuff of the 50's wrote by a guy illetrate in philosophy.

It's always when science of mind and knowledge of human aspiration and sense of sacrifice are hijacked for military purpose, instead of in a stoics sense of moral rectitude and sense of justice.

It seem to me that it's what happened with samouraï philosophy during those episode, turning people into furniture.

Japanese ideology is from shintoism.

This thing is always product of some form of brainwashing by military entities. Such as samouraï.

And they did horror in china before the Pearl harbor thing you heard in faux news.

The thing is this matter of afterlife and soul immortality doesnt seem to be a central topic of the bible.

Its more present in things like tibetan book of the dead.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo_Thodol


The Tibetan text describes, and is intended to guide one through, the experiences that the consciousness has after death, in the bardo, the interval between death and the next rebirth. The text also includes chapters on the signs of death and rituals to undertake when death is closing in or has taken place.

Three bardos   

Main article: Bardo

The Bardo Thodol differentiates the intermediate state between lives into three bardos:

The chikhai bardo or "bardo of the moment of death", which features the experience of the "clear light of reality", or at least the nearest approximation of which one is spiritually capable;

The chonyid bardo or "bardo of the experiencing of reality", which features the experience of visions of various Buddha forms, or the nearest approximations of which one is capable;

The sidpa bardo or "bardo of rebirth", which features karmically impelled hallucinations which eventually result in rebirth, typically yab-yum imagery of men and women passionately entwined.

The Liberation Through Hearing During the Intermediate State also mentions three other bardos:[note 3]

"Life", or ordinary waking consciousness;
"Dhyana" (meditation);
"Dream", the dream state during normal sleep.

Together these "six bardos" form a classification of states of consciousness into six broad types. Any state of consciousness can form a type of "intermediate state", intermediate between other states of consciousness. Indeed, one can consider any momentary state of consciousness a bardo, since it lies between our past and future existences; it provides us with the opportunity to experience reality, which is always present but obscured by the projections and confusions that are due to our previous unskillful actions.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo

In some schools of Buddhism, bardo (Tibetan བར་དོ་ Wylie: bar do) or antarabhāva (Sanskrit) is an intermediate, transitional, or liminal state between death and rebirth. It is a concept which arose soon after the Buddha's passing, with a number of earlier Buddhist groups accepting the existence of such an intermediate state, while other schools rejected it. In Tibetan Buddhism, bardo is the central theme of the Bardo Thodol (lit. Liberation Through Hearing During the Intermediate State), the Tibetan Book of the Dead.

The six days of the Genesis are not earth days. The first day was before sun & earth was created.

The snakes and relation to fruit of tree of knowledge is reference to more ancient myth. The snakes in egypt are often associated with wisdom or enlightment. Or intermediate between knowledge / light and human mind.

Like wadjet ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadjet )

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uraeus

The Uraeus (/jʊˈriəs/;[1] plural Uraei or Uraeuses; from the Greek οὐραῖος, ouraîos, "on its tail"; from Egyptian jʿr.t (iaret), "rearing cobra") is the stylized, upright form of an Egyptian cobra (asp, serpent, or snake), used as a symbol of sovereignty, royalty, deity and divine authority in ancient Egypt.

The whole old testament is reference to older myth from egypt or babylon.

Tiamat is also one of the ancient myth often refered in old testament.

http://biologos.org/blogs/archive/genesis-1-and-a-babylonian-creation-story

This way to think about the creation of the cosmos was very common in these times.


The thing of death and ressurection also have their own meaning in esoteric / gnostic teaching, the bible make many references to this process, and im pretty sure there will be evidence of this coming from neurology and noetic science in the next decade.

There are already more and more study of this in psychology / psychiatry / neurology.

The meaning of the rib from original hebrew is not that clear either.

There are many bugs in this theory, but the connection made between mater and energy is rather sound. Galileo noticed this too.


Not sure why hermes would be Satanism. The principle of Hermes seem quite in tune with the bible, but there are probably point of divergences.

King Solomon is still seen as among the wisest king. He is still rather recognized as a wisest ruler in the bible as far as i know. He still had issue to be solved, but still did many things right, compared to other Kings.





God seem to have good judgment in people who have good measure of things he creates




The bible is still lot about kindgoms of hevean, my kingdom is not on earth, and condamn abuse of materialism and rulers of earth things.

Which reality ? Your's ?

It's clear that spirals are presents in virtually all ancient tradition, and veda with the swatika and others things are also in incredibly in tune with mathematics and metaphysics.

Cycles are pervasives in all the Vedas.

Spirals are symbol of progression, and connected to Fibonacci in nature like seashells.

The principles at core of relativity explain much better this relation between mater and energy.
 



riemann said this



Pythagoras said numbers are the measure of all things



Catholics are not the first to do this babylonian priest did same.


The problem with Caesar and Rome was not unique or first seen in history.

There are similar stories in ancient India, or egypt and babylon.

Common problem is when rulers and king become too much into materialism, possession, extension of territory, orgies, instead of wisdom.

When looking in precedent for jesus like persons, can see hermes trismegistus, or horus. The myth around horus is actually very close to the myth of jesus. Or king solomon.

And its not that easy to totally disconnect jesus from secularism, as he was still mixed with the pb of King of the jew, and was still rather active into critics of politics and pseudo secularism of the time, even can say large part of his message has to do with the critics of secularism.

You forgot the OAS in Algeria

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_arm%C3%A9e_secr%C3%A8te

The Organisation armée secrète or OAS (meaning Secret Army Organisation) was a short-lived right-wing[1] French dissident paramilitary organization during the Algerian War (1954–62). The OAS carried out terrorist attacks, including bombings and assassinations, in an attempt to prevent Algeria's independence from French colonial rule.[1][2] Its motto was L’Algérie est française et le restera ("Algeria is French and will remain so").

Secret Army Organisation
Organisation armée secrète (in French)

The OAS was formed out of existing networks, calling themselves "counter-terrorists", "self-defence groups", or "resistance", which had carried out attacks on the FLN (Algerian National Liberation Front) and their perceived supporters since early in the war. It was officially formed in Francoist Spain, in Madrid in January 1961, as a response by some French politicians and French military officers to the 8 January 1961 referendum on self-determination concerning Algeria, which had been organised by General de Gaulle.

By acts of bombings and targeted assassinations in both metropolitan France and French Algerian territories, which are estimated to have resulted in 2,000 deaths between April 1961 and April 1962, the OAS attempted to prevent Algerian independence.

Even those in the West are often product of groups created by intelligency services for colonial interest who back fire at them.

The manifest Destiny of colonizer in osiris movie

You seem confused between natural selection, and school selection .

Of course I did, as i said, I live in Paris suburb lol

I saw them many times, lived few km away from the riots started in 2005 ..

But there are many weird stuff with colonial past too, you probably heard that, and next to this, all rest seem isolated story..

And not sure what Islam has to do with car burning, you saw this on faux news too ? .. between two news as why usa need to do a drones war in the middle east, make sense now.

There were car burning in france at least since 90's, before usa needed to steal oil from middle east, nobody care de about it, and Islam was no even mentioned lol

For me the best reason why earth is more likely to be spherical is mostly because spheres are perfectly symetrical on all axis.

With a disc it imply a notion of direction, and asymetry, which would mean some directional force is needed to create it.

As all known forces tend to be factor of distance, it make sense all objects naturally evolve to spheroids as forces are equal at all point at equal distance from a center.

When you put a drop of ink in water, it will more get shaped as spheroids than a cube or a disc.

Even without counting for heliocentric system, it would not make sense that an object stay flat with known forces either it's gravity or magnetism. The force would tend to attract everything at equal distance from a center.

It's even the great misery of mathematician that all is so round, depending PI for calculus, and we still dont know how to compute PI properly.

Beyond this it's not that the heliocentric system is not bogus to a degree, but I dont really see flat earth making lot of sense in itself.


Galaxies still seem to be flats, at least some of them, and all planets orbits are more or less on same plane too, so that could imply directional force somewhere.

Even if i dont really mind in the end if it's flat cubical spherical or donut shaped. And I dont think there is easy way to demonstrate smoking gun proof evidence that it's round like this.

For me anyway gravity alone cant explain exactly how planets got to turn around the sun to begin with, or spiral shape of galaxies, so there is probably some missing forces or missing subtilety additionally to sheer gravity to explain cosmic motion and shapes.

Even all physics law are known to be bogus, they only work at a certain scale, for certain phenomena, it's still all very fragmented as patchwork of different set of equation to use at different scales for different situations.

But I still dont get this whole hate on gravity law, and bogus dodging of one set of equation  to replace them with other patchwork of equation that are even more bogus like it's always the trend with this flat earth thing.

Im not the one who bring induction ..

Someone got on " electric field" , so I asked what he mean by that, and he got into induction ..

Where I posted that basically the two equation can look similar but are still different, and no unified field theory can match the two ..

Which mean magnetic field cant explain fall of body .. even if it can look close to a degree .. like attraction with force inversely proportional with squared distance, but it's not same equation. .

Ok I can give you that, but then so is density, pressure, float/sink principles and so on.

Replacing it with static electricity additionally to be less accurate description of the phenomena, doesnt add more proof to it.

Equation describing electric current, induction , magnetic fields etc are not more proven than gravity, and doesnt describe the body fall accurately.

Maybe because it's not about believing in afterlife .

The earth is not flat, objects fall due to gravity, and float due to pressure differential, I though it was pretty clear for people with a decent brain.

All this having nothing to do with vortex math, Faraday, static electricity or i dunno what other non sense.

My head can take more heat than that.

Ok I guess ill do that, cause it's not like trying to picture how vortex math will prove that Earth is flat and gravity is Faraday law with static electricity will be more interesting than Alice in wonderland, I think this point is pretty clear now.