I have some feedback on the wesley client about the user-friendliness :
-I still think a wallet.dat system would be a lot more easy to use.
Is this technically possible?
I didn't follow the discussion recently closely (I think it was MSIN?). The conclusion was it didn't add security possibly? But it does add familiarity.Nevermind, "Wallet.dat is for later". |
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A lot of wishful thinking, but I've lost hope with this project.
OK then... take your losses/profits and move on...  Yes I am actually evening out, but I just wanted to bring to the community awareness of this huge problem they have. Some of the member really need to leave that dark hole in their room and get some sunshine where normal people walk so they can understand not everyone is like them. Most of the world is populated with average everyday working joes, not computer super nerds. Have you tried Wesley's client? Edit: CliNXT I could use too. No Bat file or anything, who uses NRS anymore? Yes I have, I had to make a 1000000+ letter/symbol/number password that I have to remember or store somewhere? Not very user friendly. This is the stuff for computer super nerds, not the average person that just uses Facebook and thinks Doge memes are cute. We are talking about money, potentially significant sums. Not collections of selfies and gossip about stuff you aren't really interested when you wrote it. I am confident this will change over time so maybe you are just too early for your own comfort. Come back in 6 weeks and you might be more comfortable. |
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Having second thoughts about having such big investment in NXT.
I have yet to see anything useful and now it's becoming an asset?
Lol? No, it's becoming an ASSET EXCHANGE. Nodecoin is an asset on top of the Nxt platform. Some people called it NxtCoin for fun.. I didn't invest in an Asset Exchange, if I wanted that I would have just gone to cryptostocks for that. NXT is starting to become something that I AM NOT WILLING to have so much investment in. NXT coin was my original investment, not a fucking exchange, your not investing in an exchange your investing in the base currency that that exchange runs on.. think of it this way.. on the exchange where nxt will be the base currency you will be able to trade other cryptos with hardly any fee's or none.. think of a decentralized cryptsy where you can trade all sorts of coins but instead of cryptsy using btc as the base currency we will be using nxt! the same goes for companys.. you wont be able to buy shares in a company with shares of a different company, you will have to trade back to nxt first.. and all of this with out ever having to give your coins to a 3rd party! the exchange is a big FEATURE of what you have invested in.. it is not the investment itself... that would be like investing in bitpay instead of btc... So were back to the asset exchnage being a feature again instead of being NXT itself. Who knows WTF is going on with this thing. ummm ya if you cant see the potential that nxt and the asset exchange has, then i feel sorry for you.. your looking at a major advance in tech with the opportunity to get in on it or to pass it up. the decision is yours. i just hope your not looking back in 5-10 years wishing you stayed in nxt! Again, this is all irrelevant if it never reaches mainstream. It will just crash and burn. You guys really need to focus on reaching the average user, not just the computer super nerds. Like I said, it will be great technology only if the mainstream adopts it. Otherwise, we have another fail tech that could have, would have, but didn't. I AM the average user. |
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A lot of wishful thinking, but I've lost hope with this project.
OK then... take your losses/profits and move on... Yes I am actually evening out, but I just wanted to bring to the community awareness of this huge problem they have. Some of the member really need to leave that dark hole in their room and get some sunshine where normal people walk so they can understand not everyone is like them. Most of the world is populated with average everyday working joes, not computer super nerds. Have you tried Wesley's client? Edit: CliNXT I could use too. No Bat file or anything, who uses NRS anymore? |
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Getting nodecoins automatically is really cool. But someone explain to me when real nodecoins start what is going to give them value? Isn't it a false
assumption that miners will forge to get nodecoins?
Right now miners have so many options of which coin to mine and they choose based on how
easy the difficulty is and how much they can pump and dump it for.
That's why new coins get mined quickly. The miners know there will always
be someone dumb enough to think "ejaculate coin" will be the next big thing and everyone is going to use it to buy groceries so therefore I must
buy some on cryptsy.
What reason would miners have to "mine" nodecoin? Who's going to buy them?
It's only a TEST ! Duh, read the bold part. Its a test now, I'm talking about when we are live on main and nodecoins start for real. imagine you could mine nodeBitCoins, real easy and cheap. What would this do? RAISE IN PRICE because of arbitrage. nodecoin value will follow NXT value, and if you mine them, you will get some. Hey brooklynbtc, hmmm I kinda get what you're saying. I am no expert but if you see it and James who obviously gave birth to it sees it then I can't say anything except I hope it does what its suppose to because that would be brilliant if it did. all these alt coins DO NOT have VALUE because they are new and cool (they BUBBLE for those reasons) the reason any coins, crypto or fiat , (especially PoW coins) have value because WE decide that the value of what went into making them is TRANSFERRABLE and VALUABLE to others in free exchange Nodecoins are valuable because they will be paid out to nodes who are serving to support the network. Imagine if the mobile phone company said we're not going to build ANY towers, BUT if you run a tower at your house, we will pay you for doing this. NXT is decentralized, so there is no COMPANY to build the towers. There is just users. So nodecoin will PAY them all to secure the network. Forging is the same idea, except that forging proves the blockchain, and with PoS you need to HOLD coins to make coins. PoW, like in nodecoin, will allow anyone to point their computer, pi, cubbie, or tv stick and no matter how much NXT, you can just get paid daily for mining nodes. I've had it online for 90 minutes and pulled in 40 nodecoins.. I don't know the mechanics of it but I believe James plans to tie the nodecoin POW to doing real transaction processing/useful work for real world business (rather than look for Prime numbers say). Then the 99% of the POW isn't wasted, unlike bitcoin. Maybe businesses pay into a central holding account in Nxt to have some processing work done. People running nodeminers get given the coins for doing the work and then the the holding account Nxt is used to buy back nodecoins that are on the market. Therefore, nodecoine will have a value proportional to the number of businesses that use the system to do their work. From what James said, there was a positive reinforcement in there somewhere that I can't recall the details of. |
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Can you explain more about what this does? I see it is two exe files, does it run the 3 stages of tests that you described before? This is probably normal procedure for you guys but I haven't been involved in software testing before but want to help, if I can. |
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Hi Ellie on AE; I added you as a contact and your alias shows up right on the screen below Ellie as: The David Sheldrick Wildlife Trust which upon searching google, found your site https://www.sheldrickwildlifetrust.org/That is awesome! Hello! Thank you Ellie for helping test Nxt AE and helping illustrate a feature that demonstrates how incredible this platform is. We can identify ourselves and our businesses from within the Asset Exchange System. Sincerely, Brian Snyder Actually it was my girlfriend who issued the Ellie’s as a test. I sat her down in front of my funded testNxt account and just said “I want you to issue an asset” and she managed it without any other prompts! She loves elephants (ellies) so supports the David Sheldrick Wildlife Trust who rescue and look after orphaned elephants (mainly from poaching). The David Sheldrick Wildlife Trust is the description of the asset though. The test was a success, though the assets themselves don’t make much sense (why would a charity issue shares in themselves?), I am glad it inadvertently flagged up another use someone find useful. |
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my 2 cents' worth:
As each asset is sold you will receive [ ] NXT making a total of [ ] NXT once all assets have been sold.
+1 Sounds good. will implement. I considered this, the reason I decided against is was that the price for each asset was a line or two above. No harm in it though, it is clearer. |
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This good enough for y'all?  I'm not sure but isn't this better; "You will receive 1 NXT Fee once all assets have been sold" Again. I'm not sure. Yes, I was going to edit my post for this. Future tense: You will recieve xNxt when all assets are sold. Future perfect tense: You will have recieved xNxt when all assets are sold. Future perfect is for an action being completed in the future. I think you have it right but it does feel odd... it makes the most sense to say "you will receive (x)NXT once all assets are sold" This suggest you will receive nothing until all assets are sold. I hear you about the idiot proofing but I have heard it takes two idiots to make it foolproof. We did great work here today Kodtycoon  |
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"will have received"?  if you make a sell order of 10,000 not all will be sold at once. Only at the end will you have received the full amount of nxt (when everything is sold). Got a better terminology for me? Reverse the parts. i.e. "Once all assets have been sold, you will have recieved xNxt." Edit: You may only want to have the bubble when more than one asset is being sold. Edit2: You are a star for putting up with all this and being so quick to make any changes. The Nxt Devs really are lions led by donkeys but they take it all in their stride. |
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This good enough for y'all? I'm not sure but isn't this better; "You will receive 1 NXT Fee once all assets have been sold" Again. I'm not sure. Yes, I was going to edit my post for this. Future tense: You will recieve xNxt when all assets are sold. Future perfect tense: You will have recieved xNxt when all assets are sold. Future perfect is for an action being completed in the future. I think you have it right but it does feel odd... |
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This good enough for y'all? Fine by me *feels a bit sheepish* I like it as my girlfriend (who has never used an exchange) gets it. Those used to exchanges *know* intuitively what will happen when they press the button. Depends who you expecty to be using the AE one day, if just exchange guess - leave it as it was. If you want my gf, ma, pa, granpappy etc the little, unobtrusive bubble explains what is going on without a manual or a forum post. On the megathread: people wanted to stay here for the 'pub' bit but, a few short weeks ago, a big reason was CfB was here and liked it here. If anyone had a technical question it would be CfB who would give the answer. Now, we have 5-6 people who seem to have a good handle on how things work and can answer each others questions and are learning from each other every day (it is great to see btw) and soon CfB will be leaving us. I wanted to keep this thread but now I am more ready to move. The devs could then be persuaded to switch to a clearer system (they would get more help if others/newcomers could clearly see what was being developed and see where they could input). We will still/always have a 'pub' thread but I predict it would be less popular without CfB and the devs in attendence. The only other problem is people seem to sh*t their pants whenever ther isn't a post from one of the devs every hour! And that's when Emule strikes, spreading his FUD at an apparent moment of weakness...  Of course, you are within your rights to disagree  |
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Just to let you guys know that I will be "unwatching" the topic shortly.
It has certainly been an interesting ride but it has been made clear to me that "software engineering" is not wanted by those writing the software and therefore I feel that I have nothing more to contribute.
I wish you guys all the best.
I am sure the community would like the software to be engineered for its long term success and devs can be influenced by the community. This is out of the blue to me so can we not come to some understanding on this? Won't you reconsider? Or at least give us some background that we might have a chance to fix this? |
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I think the second one is best, it is explicit.
For "Includes fee", as a beginner you may not have picked up what the fee is so you don't have clarity on what you are actually paying. Plus the fee will change in the future so it will always be clear if you msis the announcement of the fee change.
Or just this? [image removed] Yes, I think this is what I said while we were typing  Maybe change the word "total" to make clear that only 1 nxt will come of of the account until the assests are actually sold. Some may think that as they are *selling* they will get the 1000 and 1 nxt immediately and not realise what they are actually doing is *putting them up for sale*. (Drifted into Ciyam's style for a second there, I don't know what came over me) To what? TOTAL VALUE (ONCE SOLD) TOTAL VALUE (ONCE BOUGHT) ? anything better (shorter)? Maybe add a tiny question mark icon to hover over to give more explanation for me and Kodtycoon . Then it won't clutter your nice interface too much. Otherwise: Sum when sold Sum of sales completed ... Nothing works that well.. Why not... " Total 100 NXT once all assets have sold " You have a string of text for the first option so it wouldn't hurt to do the same here, IMO. |
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I think the second one is best, it is explicit.
For "Includes fee", as a beginner you may not have picked up what the fee is so you don't have clarity on what you are actually paying. Plus the fee will change in the future so it will always be clear if you msis the announcement of the fee change.
Or just this? [image removed] Yes, I think this is what I said while we were typing Maybe change the word "total" to make clear that only 1 nxt will come of of the account until the assests are actually sold. Some may think that as they are *selling* they will get the 1000 and 1 nxt immediately and not realise what they are actually doing is *putting them up for sale*. (Drifted into Ciyam's style for a second there, I don't know what came over me) To what? TOTAL VALUE (ONCE SOLD) TOTAL VALUE (ONCE BOUGHT) ? anything better (shorter)? Maybe add a tiny question mark icon to hover over to give more explanation for me and Kodtycoon . Then it won't clutter your nice interface too much. Otherwise: Sum when sold Sum of sales completed ... Nothing works that well.. |
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I think the second one is best, it is explicit.
For "Includes fee", as a beginner you may not have picked up what the fee is so you don't have clarity on what you are actually paying. Plus the fee will change in the future so it will always be clear if you msis the announcement of the fee change.
Or just this? [image removed] Yes, I think this is what I said while we were typing Maybe change the word "total" to make clear that only 1 nxt will come of of the account until the assests are actually sold. Some may think that as they are *selling* they will get the 1000 and 1 nxt immediately and not realise what they are actually doing is *putting them up for sale*. (Drifted into Ciyam's style for a second there, I don't know what came over me) |
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still getting a gui display bug! created asset 500 nuts went to nuts market to sell them, i put 500 in amount to sell all of them at 1 nxt each click the sell tab at the bottom and it comes up
ORDER DESCRIPTION
Sell 500 nuts assets at 1 NXT each.
TOTAL
501 NXT << i dont think that should be 501?
SECRET PHRASE
That includes the fee (1nxt) but it shouldnt.. total 500 is the amount you get back for selling assets right? 1 nxt fee is what you pay... so if anything it should say 499 or 500 and 1 nxt fee taken from effective balance? if i was buying 500 nxt worth of nuts it would make pefect sence but not when selling I'll change it to: TOTAL: 501 Nxt (Includes Fee) Better? Or TOTAL: 500 Nxt + 1Nxt Fee which one is best, community? (need multiple answers) that doesnt make sense.. my acc is 500+ after sale of assets and 1- after paying fee.. unless that fee is being payed to me?? im selling not buying! if i was buying it would be 500nxt- and 1- so total reduction of account balance of 501... when selling i receive 500 nxt total back from the sale of my nuts (assets) and minus 1 nxt fee for placing the sell order so i should get back a total of 499nxt.. Maybe an additional line on the sale side that says "total value of assets (once sold) = " Then a cost line of "1 nxt fee" ? |
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still getting a gui display bug! created asset 500 nuts went to nuts market to sell them, i put 500 in amount to sell all of them at 1 nxt each click the sell tab at the bottom and it comes up
ORDER DESCRIPTION
Sell 500 nuts assets at 1 NXT each.
TOTAL
501 NXT << i dont think that should be 501?
SECRET PHRASE
That includes the fee (1nxt) but it shouldnt.. total 500 is the amount you get back for selling assets right? 1 nxt fee is what you pay... so if anything it should say 499 or 500 and 1 nxt fee taken from effective balance? if i was buying 500 nxt worth of nuts it would make pefect sence but not when selling I'll change it to: TOTAL: 501 Nxt (Includes Fee) Better? Or TOTAL: 500 Nxt + 1Nxt Feewhich one is best, community? (need multiple answers) I think the second one is best, it is explicit. For "Includes fee", as a beginner you may not have picked up what the fee is so you don't have clarity on what you are actually paying. Plus the fee will change in the future so it will always be clear if you msis the announcement of the fee change. |
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@WesleyJust rebooted and did the following: Tests Firefox normal mode, 'send nxt' dialogue: 5678029137156573042 > "The account has a public key." Firefox normal mode, 'send nxt' dialogue: 16248676195570366253 > "The account has a public key." Firefox private mode, 'send nxt' dialogue: 5678029137156573042 > "The account has a public key." Firefox private mode, 'send nxt' dialogue: 16248676195570366253 > "The account has a public key." Internet Explorer, 'send nxt' dialogue: 5678029137156573042 > "The account has a public key." Internet Explorer, 'send nxt' dialogue: 16248676195570366253 > "The account has a public key." So far so good.Then I thought, maybe I was still signed in on IE when I went back to Firefox. i.e. signed into the same account on two different browsers at the same time. So; Tests Firefox normal mode, while signed in to IE at the same time, 'send nxt' dialogue: 5678029137156573042 > "The account has a public key." Firefox private mode, while signed in to IE at the same time, 'send nxt' dialogue: 5678029137156573042 > "The account has a public key." Still no problem. Then I remembered I was at the log in screen for IE. So:Tests Firefox normal mode, while at log screen to in to IE at the same time, 'send nxt' dialogue: 5678029137156573042 > "The account has a public key." Firefox private mode, while at log screen to in to IE at the same time, 'send nxt' dialogue: 5678029137156573042 > "The account has a public key." Still flawless. Then, just for kicks, I signed in to IE and Firefox in both private and normal modes (three logins of the same account) and I still couldn't break it  The wording I got last time, sending to 5678029137156573042, was: "The recipient account does not have a public key, meaning it has never had an outgoing transaction. The account has a balance of 2509900 NXT. Please double check your recipient address before sending." Printscreen available
TL:DR I couldn't recreate the errors I was having before.Thank you for your patience Wesley
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Can I please get some Test NXT in account 16248676195570366253 ?
I will forward some to a couple friends and offer a little giveaway in twitter so people can try the latest wesleyh client including password generator.
Wesley's client tells me that account has a balance of 500,000. How many friends do you have? Um... my current balance in testnet reads 5,000. It is now telling me you have a balance of 2million... Wesley? Hhm... I appear to be in private mode again. Let me try it the other way. I think it shows it correctly to me : Account 16248676195570366253 Info This account has a balance of 17'497 NXT. 10/03/2014 21:11:32 Ordinary payment 2'500 3 17238779241348084924 10/03/2014 21:06:20 Ordinary payment 15'000 1 4940924250576724047 10/03/2014 20:45:44 Ordinary payment 5'000 5 You Try private mode in firefox and go to the 'send money' dialogue box in Wesley's client. In the recipient put 2299216276842660095 (this is me). edit: at the bottom of the dialogue box it tells you info about the account you are sending to. It should read 13'089. What do you get? Maybe it is just me...  it says the account has a public key. and after i sent a message and check it in my transactions, it's 13089. Then it is probably a bug in my system somewhere I guess? I have a screenshot to show I'm not making it up! I'll reboot and try the same steps again. |
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