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2601  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin with mirrors, lights, telescopes (and smoke signals?) on: October 01, 2014, 02:25:43 PM
I only worry loss signal or incorrect signal will end up passing the btc to the wrong person  Grin

Or worse... Unconfirmed transaction
2602  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New logo and visual identity for Bitcoin on: October 01, 2014, 02:19:53 PM
Some people may not like the single strike through. Some prefer the original. Whatever it is there's always personal preference.

But just to clarify on the baht issue. The symbol I'm seeing is ฿ for baht while what Op submitted is also a single line but it didn't cut through the whole 'b' alphabet. So don't think it's an issue here
2603  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: 1 Satoshi Deposits with Label "Blockchain accounts hacked" on: October 01, 2014, 02:00:03 PM
I can understand if it is for advertising. But that message doesn't lead to anything. Probably something like ddos attack to cripple the network
2604  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is like the electric car on: October 01, 2014, 01:32:59 PM
I agree it's a good analogy. Until things are sorted out bitcoin will still face resistance. But look at the progress that we've made thus far. Same like the electric car, things are certainly progressing
2605  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Transaction cost in kWh on: October 01, 2014, 12:52:00 PM
Possible miscalculation
Conduct proper research before coming up with conclusion of 0.2c kwh. Work out again your maths and you can find out how low it can go.

0.2cents!! seriously.. i was thinking more along the lines of 20 cents

im sorry, i should have said.. im from the UK


but feel free to adjust your numbers to your country.. after all i did say "lets say" which is a term of a guess/estimate rather than a rule.
enjoy your day knitpicker!

but i did edit out the cost of a BTC, as it seems this topic just wants to concentrate on transaction cost

Geez... sorry about that. didn't meant to be so mean. I just want to point out that it could be miscalculated. I'll just edit my post and rephrase it to possible miscalculation.

Meet up with u some day on some bitcoin conference  Smiley
2606  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Transaction cost in kWh on: October 01, 2014, 12:35:26 PM
ok lets use some maths

EDIT(after writing the below maths): seems the mining community have had a discount on mining costs compared to last time i calculated it in the summer.. so read on and enjoy

numbers we know..
hashrate: 250petahash(avg for month)https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate
1terrahash miner: 1kwatt PSU
transactions: 486 a block(avg of month)https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-per-block

so lets do this:
486tx x 6 =2919tx per hour
250,000kwatt per hour
250,000/2919=85kwatt/hour

lets say it is 20c per kwh
=$17
which does roughly correspond to: https://blockchain.info/charts/cost-per-transaction?timespan=180day ($18-$20 recently once you add on the physical cost of a rig)

now lets average cost per bitcoin
(17 x 486)/25reward= $332 per btc(my maths)
(20x 486)/25reward=$388 bc.info's high estimate for today
seems cheap to mine right now...as you can see by the link above the cost estimates were alot higher during summer

but atleast it proves one thing that i have been harping on about for the last year. that no one wants to sell below cost of mining and that this price point should be used as a resistance point.

now how to do the maths real easily.. in the future so you have our own indicaters
take the cost/tx https://blockchain.info/charts/cost-per-transaction?timespan=30days for today (far right point of graph is ALWAYS the most recent day)
take the transactions per block https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-per-block?timespan=30days for today (far right point of graph is ALWAYS the most recent day)
multiply them together. then devide that by the 25btc reward per block

again today 20cost x 486tx=$9720
$9720/25=$388/btc

now you know the resistance point miners wont want to sell below as its costing them money. ill leave it to you lot to find ways of getting raw data of the numbers in API format so that you can make your 'instant' calculators of btc cost price (resistance point)






Possible miscalculation
Some research will help before deriving 0.2 kwh. Work out again the maths and you can find out how low it can go.

EDIT: Rephrase the statement
2607  Economy / Speculation / Re: Theory: Exchanges are destroying the price of Bitcoin for personal profit on: October 01, 2014, 12:15:55 PM
The price is falling because one monster giant mining rig is located somewhere in Asia and is selling every coin that they mine to cover electricity cost and for quick profit. It outweighes demand which is not catching up fast
NO

look at the exchanges. its not thousands of coins being sold/bought on exchanges. its less that 12k volume moving per day. and out of the 12k movemnt per day only 1% is from actual bank account movements. ther other 99% is daytraders and bots playing with $7 amounts of coin without depositing /withdrawing. and maybe 1 big fish(not a whale) with just 200 coins, creating walls to keep prices at a certain level.

we need to wake up and not be sheeple.. exchanges are on a 99% lockdown keeping prices low because whales are not using exchanges to buy coins. proper trading is done privately at prices of $500+.

kind of funny because i was talking about it last week and now people are suddenly waking up. just a shame you are all relying on these crappy locked down php coded exchanges as your price estimate. you are missing out on where the true value is

Yeah it's you again nice talk. Can you prove and trace back all the transaction and tell me they are not coming from the same source? At least i've seen the rig to backup myself.
2608  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why consumers are not adopting BTC on: October 01, 2014, 12:06:10 PM
Plus i would like to add exchange rate converting from fiat to btc involves spread of almost 6%. I'm using localbitcoin btw. So what makes advantageous when it comes to cross border transaction using our normal bank or even paypal.
2609  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Accept Credit Card, get paid in Bitcoin on: October 01, 2014, 11:57:21 AM
I don't understand. Why blame bitpay for the decline in price. Bitcoin is meant for spending and whatever they earn they have every right to sell it to cover operating cost.

We should encourage spending using bitcoin and that way helps towards mass adoption. Anything that i miss out???

2610  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LXC][LIBREXCOIN] STAKING MOBILE WALLET | X11 | 100% POS | No IPO | on: October 01, 2014, 11:04:29 AM
Update on LibrexSend V1 and other things.

Some investors and holders of Librexcoin have asked about Librexsend V1.  We're working on it non-stop and we already have the code close to release. It is in testnet being extensively tested and debugged. This testing has revealed some small bugs and other small code errors. We are now bug smashing and cleaning up code for review by Dam M. Our ultimate goal is to deliver a rock solid code and eliminate any other issues that may arise. If released too soon or without proper testing and not passing Dans scrutiny would have dire consequences for both LibrexSend but also the long term value of LibrexCoin. As it gets closer to being ready for Dan's review I will post it and also some details and other teasers for it.

 LibrexSend is a big project. We expect that LibrexSend will become a benchmark standard anonymity in coins. We're close to releasing LibrexSend V1.

We will releasing an new wallet that will have interesting features

We make our debut on Mintpal's exchange when they release V2.

We will also be releasing a QT wallet update that has a few new and interesting features built into it. This should come in the next few days.  

I've been here in this tread since the first day trying to do my best to assuage concerns and answer any questions, providing information, and such while attending to my non coin life. Smiley  You can trust me when I say that LibrexCoin will continue to be successful in part because we have great things coming up and in part due to our great community. I ask you for and thank you for your patience and continued support.

Any specific or target date for the release? Just want to make sure that i didn't miss it.
2611  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why consumers are not adopting BTC on: September 30, 2014, 03:16:09 PM
Let's talk pure simple facts.
One easy small transaction over the weekend took almost 5 minutes to get the first confirmation. I repeat again 1st confirmation. I have to convince the seller to look at the blockchain and the red button is still there.

And when i say simplicity i really mean it. Not going through circle service.

Also part of the world from where i come from we have something call 'instant' internet bank transaction. 3-4 day is overhyped.  Roll Eyes

again your waiting for confirms. if the amount was small.. why wait.. if the amount was $50+ then yea wait 1 confirm. if it was $1000 then wait a couple confirms.

put simply if you handed over in a retail store
$10, the cashier wouldnt look twice at it
$50 the cashier would atleast check for water marks
$1000 the cashier would ask a colleague to help double count the amount and then get the manager to put the bank notes into a safe. thus customers wait around for a while.

same with bitcoin.

but as i said there are wallets around that allow "instant" spend. again think about it like your main hoard is in a safety deposit box for long term storage. and then you have a small wallet in your pocket for instant daily spend amounts.

I don't understand why simplicity doesn't get into mainstream.
If making 1000 bucks tx then by all means use credit card. If u don't own 1, then use debit card.

The discussion here is why consumer is not using bitcoin. The consumers can be anybody and i take the over the supermarket counter as an example. Personally i won't use btc there. Obviously far better payment options and btc confirmation time, that would be the last option ReGardless of the payment size which you have been harping on till now  Roll Eyes

And wallets with 'instant' spend still needs at least 1 confirmation. Read back my earlier post on the 1st confirmation time. Basically 5 mins is unacceptable
2612  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why consumers are not adopting BTC on: September 30, 2014, 02:45:26 PM
Confirmation time is still an issue. If i take a paper currency over at the counter of supermarket I'll just pay and walk off. Credit card will probably take another extra 1 minute. But for bitcoin??? It will build up long queue at the counter.

for things that can be purchased for $10 bank note (0.025btc) merchants dont bother with confirms. as soon as they see the tx they hand over goods.

but if a person handed over a $50-$100 bank note. i guarantee you the shop owner will stop and look at the bank notes and check for security seals and UV light the note before handing goods over.... same for bitcoin. its a risk vs efficiency game.

for small pocketmoney amounts there WILL be insured wallets (circle for instance) whereby people will only trust the service to hold daily spend amounts where the funds are pre confirmed to allow for instant spends. whilst still hoarding large funds privately for the bigger stuff.

so the mind set to have:
use your current bitcoin wallet for 'savings' (like  bank account) where transfering funds may take an hour as oppose to banks 3-5 days. and then use circle or other 'offchain' wallets for instant/daily spend/pocket money amounts. just like debit/credit cards.

Let's talk pure simple facts.
One easy small transaction over the weekend took almost 5 minutes to get the first confirmation. I repeat again 1st confirmation. I have to convince the seller to look at the blockchain and the red button is still there.

And when i say simplicity i really mean it. Not going through circle service.

Also part of the world from where i come from we have something call 'instant' internet bank transaction. 3-4 day is overhyped.  Roll Eyes
2613  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why consumers are not adopting BTC on: September 30, 2014, 02:22:25 PM
Confirmation time is still an issue. If i take a paper currency over at the counter of supermarket I'll just pay and walk off. Credit card will probably take another extra 1 minute. But for bitcoin??? It will build up long queue at the counter.

2614  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Something I wish newcomers to Bitcoin would understand... on: September 30, 2014, 01:12:25 PM
Everything is true. It has one weakness though. It needs a device connected to Internet to complete the transaction.
2615  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Three Men Mine $200,000 In Bitcoin Every Month on: September 30, 2014, 01:01:45 PM
I believe another contributing factor that determines profitability is that spare parts in china are still relatively cheap.
2616  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New logo and visual identity for Bitcoin on: September 30, 2014, 12:49:32 PM
Call me old school but i still prefer the light background design which is orangy in color. As in your case, i prefer the blend of gold orangy shades that u have put in. Good work!!!!
2617  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 10 Reason Why Bitcoin is better than Paypal on: September 30, 2014, 12:41:14 PM
Number one you don't have to deal with different currencies. It is almost anonymous. No need to fill up name and address. And most important.....chargebacks!
2618  Economy / Speculation / Re: Theory: Exchanges are destroying the price of Bitcoin for personal profit on: September 30, 2014, 12:36:49 PM
The price is falling because one monster giant mining rig is located somewhere in Asia and is selling every coin that they mine to cover electricity cost and for quick profit. It outweighes demand which is not catching up fast
2619  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The transaction fee is just ridiculous. on: September 30, 2014, 12:30:37 PM
I should be utterly worried to hear what you have to say when all the 21 million coins have been mined
2620  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin-Tutorials.com Signature Campaign! ☀ [OPEN for Newbies and Jr. Members] on: September 30, 2014, 12:13:24 PM
Is this offer still available? My current one haven't paid me till now so was thinking of removing it soon.

Let me know of your decision. Thanks
Yes, it's still open Smiley

that's great I've already changed my siggy.

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