waves ICO 6400btc so far

3000btc more than when people werent clear on who is involved

then we have dao ico which raised $12million in 3 days nice

so you aint getting no eth dump for lisk

people coins are stuck in lisk

you work out which one will give a better return

DAO

WAVES

LISK

either way its not lisk.

youl most likely get dumps below ico not  because lisk is crap just because bad timing whales are entering those coins they aint diverting their funds here. best time to launch was yesterday

shame

It's not as complicated as it looks but it does take some background to understand.

Max and Olivier are not just launching a new coin.  They are (1) absorbing membership from the already existing Crypti XCR coin (the "father" of Lisk) AND AT THE SAME TIME (2) they are going for a second round of funding from new BTC/ETH investors to further develop its technology.  

The number of transferring original XCR investors modify the end result seen by the new BTC/ETH investors.  The donations of the new  BTC/ETH investors modify the end result seen by the original XCR investors.  Nobody will know the final results until the ICO is over.  The "complicated" charts show all possible future combinations of BTC/ETH and XCR investments in Lisk between Feb 22 and March 21.  Only one of these combinations will be "real" at the end of the ICO.   That's the two  numbers on the charts Max and Olivier will go with - one specific concentration / dilution factor for the XCR donators, and one specific satoshi price for the BTC/ETH donators.

These charts show how these two groups of original XCR investors and new BTC/ETH investors will be merged together into one group of Lisk holders IN A FAIR MANNER.  And the proposed method for combining these two groups IS fair.   Kudos to Max and Olivier for taking on this task and proposing a path forward to make it succeed.

It's not as complicated as it looks but it does take some background to understand.

Max and Olivier are not just launching a new coin.  They are (1) absorbing membership from the already existing Crypti XCR coin (the "father" of Lisk) AND AT THE SAME TIME (2) they are going for a second round of funding from new BTC/ETH investors to further develop its technology.  

The number of transferring original XCR investors modify the end result seen by the new BTC/ETH investors.  The donations of the new  BTC/ETH investors modify the end result seen by the original XCR investors.  Nobody will know the final results until the ICO is over.  The "complicated" charts show all possible future combinations of BTC/ETH and XCR investments in Lisk between Feb 22 and March 21.  Only one of these combinations will be "real" at the end of the ICO.   That's the two  numbers on the charts Max and Olivier will go with - one specific concentration / dilution factor for the XCR donators, and one specific satoshi price for the BTC/ETH donators.

These charts show how these two groups of original XCR investors and new BTC/ETH investors will be merged together into one group of Lisk holders IN A FAIR MANNER.  And the proposed method for combining these two groups IS fair.   Kudos to Max and Olivier for taking on this task and proposing a path forward to make it succeed.

LISK HOLDS THE FOLLOWING ADVANTAGES OVER ETHERIUM:

Javascript language simplicity vs Solidity language complexity
Like I said ... easy to write a Javascript compiler to Ethereum bytecode  
Let me know when it's done...or even started.  Even if an Ethereum JavaScript compiler  existed, Solidity is still an unstable language - why paste a compiler on top of it?

100,000+ JavaScript programmers vs. few Solidity programmers
The above argument eliminates this so called advantage of lisk
The above argument is vaporware.  JavaScript programmers can start coding Lisk dapps right now.

Single hash generated  vs. trillions of valid but discarded hashes generated to secure blockchain in one blocktime
Makes no sense at all
I've explained this several times.  Churning out trillions of wasted hashes means lots of wasted electricity - like literally a nuclear powerplant's worth for Bitcoin - and is an ever-growing financial overhead that will ultimately kill the coin.

Cooperative, efficient blockchain generation vs. competitive, wasteful blockchain generation
looks like the same as above
No, it's the key reason Lisk can run on a $9 CHIP computer and Ethereum can't.  Economies of scale hugely favor Lisk over BTC/ETH.

Stable roundtable clockwork forging vs. unsustainable, exponentially growing free-for-all mining
Forging is no different than mining ... just different ways to make the currency
It is so sad to see people that don't understand enough math to get why exponential growth is unsustainable, or why a stable system is different and better from an unstable one.

Dapps on individual sidechains vs. dapps on bloated mainchain
Ethereum dapps are also sidechains .. lol .. you seem to be uninformed
The Ethereum Guide says its dapps are deployed on the mainchain ( https://gavofyork.gitbooks.io/turboethereum/content/dapps_deployment.html ).  Practically, in Ethereum dapps are just specialized "contracts".  There's my showdown cards in this poker hand - what's your counter-reference to prove what you are saying about Ethereum sidechains?  Prove to me that each dapp in Ethereum has its own separate blockchain as they do in Lisk.

Min of 2-4 to max of 101 cheap $35 Pi2 / $9 CHIP microcomputers needed for each sidechain backbone vs. large, unlimited numbers of expensive GPU systems needed for mainchain backbone
The GPU rings will not be used once POS for eth sets in
So...PoS for ETH is vaporware, got it.  How can you know that Eth PoS will run on microcomputers like Lisk does if ETH PoS finally shows up?  What happens to all those sad little GPU miners whose income stream will be cut off?

Sidechain dapps permanently free vs. mainchain perpetual "gas" payments required
Ah ... What can possibly be the use of the beloved LISK then ...
What part of "free" vs. "paying for ETH gas" is so hard to understand?  Free is better.  Lisk is still the exchange coin of choice within the dapp itself.

Difference between Lisk Forging and Ethereum Mining

With Lisk, generating a new block for the blockchain is called "forging" (in the "blacksmith" instead of the "counterfeiter" sense of that term), not mining.  Mining is a Bitcoin / Etherium term that refers to competitive generation of thousands of millions of billions of useless hashes looking for a string of leading zeros in the hash that is a "lucky ticket" declaring a particular miner to be the winner of a reward.  Forging is a cooperative  generation of one and only one necessary hash to secure the Lisk blockchain, for which you are paid a set fee when it's your turn to do it.  During the first year a Lisk forger makes 5 Lisk per block forged, which happens like clockwork about once every 17 minutes, for a total of 150K Lisk in the first year.

In a pure PoS system, the richest coin holders that set up a forging node get most of the rewards from running those nodes.  With DPoS, anybody can set up a forging node no matter how much or how little of the coin they hold, as long as they pay (for Lisk) a 100 coin start fee.   Under DPoS, a poor coin holder / node runner gets the same rewards as a rich coin holder / node runner.  Thus there is incentive for poor coin holders to run a good node to increase their coin holdings.  Since there's a lot more poor coin holders than rich ones, the pool of potential node runners is much bigger.  This is a Good Thing.

Lisk generating only one hash per blocktime is one of its huge advantages over Bitcoin and Ethereum and their huge waste of resources.  

Lisk is literally trillions of times more efficient in CPU cycles per block generated compared to Bitcoin or Ethereum.  This is why Lisk can use really cheap computers, while Bitcoin and Ethereum are trapped forever to use a hugely expensive, wasteful and unneeded overhead infrastructure - all those warehouses full of mining rigs, whether ASIC or GPU based.

Now THAT'S stupid - and most Bitcoin and Ethereum people have no idea just how stupid it is.  

Lisk Coin Inflation Is Much Lower Than Ethereum Coin Inflation

According to my math, the exact ICO satoshi price for one lisk is

BTC0.00017801 Satoshi

I have just released the last version of my spreadsheets, links below.  Thank you for viewing them over the past few weeks.  I will only modify these when Max releases the final 15%/10%/5% reward numbers.   My numbers on the bonus rewards are close approximations.

The Final Satoshi And USD Price For One Lisk

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q2MJ25_bK5Yi60FYohYCUEkujUtL5c0P1dOdlDMPMBI/edit?usp=sharing

How Many Lisk You Will Receive For One Bitcoin (BTC)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iOEdaRnBmSAO5miW7xYheeYUgo5wL9l9BONw6x21nQg/edit?usp=sharing

How Many Lisk You Will Receive For One Crypti (XCR)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GwWKK7bpjYTxtQRIq_l2xiKI9rEOpTU1oTt0q3C6Mc8/edit?usp=sharing

Lisk ICO Daily Donations

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j1sOFyPa3ZPr6QuG7pzuJtw9DHy4BNuoWw5Iu9N9MiQ/edit?usp=sharing


END OF ICO RESULTS:

Lisk price in satoshi : 18265
Lisk Price In USD:   0.07516
Donated BTC:  14,079.18   
Lisk Cash Tech Dev Fund ($M USD): 5.793
Lisk Market Cap ($M USD): 7.516

Lisk WILL ENTER COINMARKETCAP.COM AT #15, JUST BELOW NXT.

why do you guys keep logging off?  Post and instant log off?  lol so stupid.

Laniakea
michaelwang33
CryptoNoob1
getgemz
rtrtcrypto

same shit different delusional day.

lol, watch who's online next.  just saw cryptonoob log in while everyone else logged off.

cannabanana
deadpoolx
MGM
so do you have more? what's your main one?
what is the point of posting pollution every day of one's life?
I really don't get it. Lisk won't make you better off either. So why? Why?

lol, watch who's online next.  just saw cryptonoob log in while everyone else logged off.

bitch you know you are all these fucking accounts Laniakea=michalewang33 = getgemz = cryptonoob312 = all the fucking idiot fudders here.

Thanks for the continuous thread bumps. You are lisk biggest fan.

first off this is the first fucking time iv'e seen you here so fuck you this is my thread.

Jokes aside, I will love to hear your arguments... don't run away