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26061  Other / Off-topic / Re: Complete the sentence... "I would sell all my Bitcoins if..." on: October 21, 2015, 01:26:41 AM
"I would sell all my Bitcoins if bitcoin has no price anymore"


If it has NO price, then who's gonna buy them?
26062  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 21, 2015, 01:22:18 AM
all members not use USD when they buy (or sell ... what you sell ? stupid !)


Yeah, but generally speaking though, in these threads, we refer to dollar trades on Stamp as the general reference price and market movement and/or performance, unless you are attempting make a more narrow and specific point.
26063  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 20, 2015, 09:24:14 PM
Im reading 4200, 10k and 100k over the place...

Reality check: We won´t touch even 300 this time. 320 would be almost a miracle. Sorry guys, is not time yet. Be patient.




Yes, we do have a bit of a distance to go, and surely getting out of the $200s would be a positive sign - even if NOT inevitable in bringing us to $10k or further
26064  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 20, 2015, 06:40:46 PM
Okay this is it, I am shorting here. Cool

Call me crazy...


YOU are fucking CRAZY.....    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Tongue Tongue Tongue
26065  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 20, 2015, 06:37:30 PM
damn you guys, you just made me buy more at this price.  Baaaaaaaaa

Baaaaaaaa


Anything under $1,000 is a good deal. 


Remember the good ole days, when we used to say that? 
26066  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 20, 2015, 05:02:10 PM

ok guys.... this change everything, i see 10000 next year or even 100.000  that is after China officially give green light to bitcoin.   Wink

hahahahahahahahahaha

You going to take back your previous comment regarding "stagnant through December"  ?

sure if this is true and the news is real, dammnn China has what ? like 1/4 of world population ?  and they sure love to gamble/invest/moving money...

 
but... sometimes they post wrong article u know...  Tongue


Yes, it is good for you to qualify your assertion - especially since in the BTC space, we have experienced quite a few ambiguities regarding translations and culture, etc etc. when it comes to China news.






26067  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 20, 2015, 04:53:02 PM

ok guys.... this change everything, i see 10000 next year or even 100.000  that is after China officially give green light to bitcoin.   Wink

hahahahahahahahahaha

You going to take back your previous comment regarding "stagnant through December"  ?
26068  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 20, 2015, 04:50:58 PM



Thanks for the link.  That's a very interesting development to potentially drive BTC prices skyward.

 
26069  Economy / Economics / Re: (SSS) - A Sane and Simple bitcoin Savings plan on: October 20, 2015, 04:04:45 PM
Currently, there appears to be quite a few indicators that BTC prices are transitioning into reversal - meaning that maybe this time for sure we are leaving the fairly long bear market.  Accordingly, it seems even more necessary to prepare for some upward BTC price surges (even though we will likely experience several ups and downs along the way to the moon).

I think that I have created a pretty decent tentative rake plan that draws from concepts in this thread and according to my own individual particulars, and that is going to involve both raking and reinvesting. 

Even though my tentative rake plan is NOT as "simple" as the one set forth by op,  it still borrows fundamental concepts from the principles of projecting ahead and then establishing various criteria and triggering points. 

For me, these criteria are NOT exactly set in stone, but they are pretty solidly predetermined in order that I am able to act quickly when the predetermined BTC price points are triggered. 

My current projected rake plan involves raking approximately 6% the first time when my overall BTC holdings are at approximately 66% profits.  Thereafter, my rake is projected to be 3.3% each time that my BTC portfolio reaches an additional 33% profits.

Furthermore, my rake plan involves completely taking out 50% of the rake proceeds and holding the other 50% of the rake proceeds in a BTC reinvestment fund that will be triggered in approximately three stages (of equal amounts) - in the event that BTC prices subsequently drop 9% then 7% and then 4% (which in essence would cause the total amount of the reinvestment portion of the rake proceeds to be reinvested by the time BTC prices dropped 20% lower than my rake price, if such a drop were to occur).

I would be interested to hear about any other interesting and/or individualized tweaks to the SSS plan that others may have made.






 
26070  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 20, 2015, 02:25:44 PM
The auction does tend to move the price up and down due mainly to uncertainty.
Fortunately though, this is the last one. That should clear the way afterwards for an upward direction.

The announcement of the first USMS SR auction (2014-06-27; won by Tim Draper) apparently caused a drop in the price on 2015-06-11, from ~650 to ~590, that was reversed on 2014-06-30 when the result was revealed.

The second auction (2014-12-04; won by a SecondMarket syndicate and a small bid by Tim Draper) had no discernible effect on price, that remained pretty stable at ~375 for about a week before and a week after it.

Abut a week before before the third auction (2015-03-05; won by itBit), the price rose from ~240 to ~280, but probably for other causes.  It remained stable through the auction, and had another small rise a few days later.   

So it would seem that, after the first one, the market got used to the USMS auctions and ignores them (or "prices them in" well in advance).

This is the last USMS SR auction, but two more have been announced: the auction of ~24'500 BTC by the Australian government, and the auction or return of ~200'000 BTC by the MtGOX trustee, maybe by the end of the year.




Jorge:  Actually, I tend to like to bash you for providing crappy information...

The above post is an exception, and I find it a very informative summary of the auction situation.  Thanks for that contribution.



26071  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 20, 2015, 02:20:29 PM

i'd love to see my stash worth more but realistically there are bitcoin auction in Nov, then Dec is holiday season.  i dont really think we will break 300 soon.

btw i hope i was wrong.

I don't think auctions are a factor any more. And people make too many excuses for the time of year. Post Christmas it's 'everyone's broke, wait till spring.' Come spring 'It's the summer soon. Sell in May and go away. Maybe we'll see something in October/November'. Now 'it's Christmas soon. No one's spending.'

Going on that we have a 3-4 day window in late September where there are actually any people attending the Bitcoin market.



That's what I was trying to say, but you said it much better....

 Wink Wink Wink

In other words, let the CCMF continue.
26072  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 20, 2015, 05:32:21 AM
i think we stuck at 265-270 until christmas  Huh




What's your basis for that statement, and what exchange are you using?

Seems to be a kind of FUD-ish assertion without much if any foundation to justify it.

i'd love to see my stash worth more but realistically there are bitcoin auction in Nov, then Dec is holiday season.  i dont really think we will break 300 soon.

btw i hope i was wrong.

You still have provided little to NO rationale for your assertion.

There is a lot of volume and even record breaking in some perspectives  - also the mere fact that BTC prices have been largely floating in the $260s for the past few days, provides little rationale that they are likely to remain here.  I could see some foundation in your statement if the volume were a lot lower or if the price had been at this point for a lot longer.

Neither the fed auction nor the holidays would significantly impact some price break-out, because there are other potential overriding forces that seem to be brewing... and people seem to becoming generally more interested in getting involved in bitcoin, in spite of upcoming holidays

yes, but according to chart it was reasonable to cool down market because we already saw steep increase already. nevertheless i expect 311 in late dec and 400+ through halving.

that if whale agree with me...  Grin

ps: last time i called 268 as target, teh whale agree with me  Cheesy


You are correct that sometimes consolidation comes into play after periods in which the sides seem to be battling, yet the price is NOT really moving, and this could be one of those times.

Even though several of us who are bullish regarding would welcome some additional upward price action, several of us also don't mind spending more time in these $200-ish territories in order to continue to accumulate BTC.   
26073  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Methods of growing your Bitcoin? on: October 20, 2015, 04:55:08 AM
Shifting coins between alt and btc on an exchange can give you nice results Smiley

Now that sounds like gambling, unless you have some insider knowledge.
Why only profit if you have some insider information? I see others just trading between alt coins on a good day and making profit. Small amounts but still in the positive is considered profit.
Not really gambling. Only if you risk a large amount to get a massive amount of profit. But just like anything, that is greed and you'll eventually lose on those investments.

I will concede the point that there is potential there, and in that regard, there could be intelligent strategies to enter and to exit into alt coins  - especially if you can time your entry and exit well and during times that BTC prices are either stagnant or going down.  On the other hand, you could a whole hell-a-va lot if you time it badly and if that timing is further magnified by your missing considerable BTC appreciation that could also take place at unexpected times.

In other words playing alts can be risky like gambling if you do NOT do your homework or employ some strategic and informed timing of your trade actions.
26074  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 20, 2015, 04:46:01 AM
i think we stuck at 265-270 until christmas  Huh




What's your basis for that statement, and what exchange are you using?

Seems to be a kind of FUD-ish assertion without much if any foundation to justify it.

i'd love to see my stash worth more but realistically there are bitcoin auction in Nov, then Dec is holiday season.  i dont really think we will break 300 soon.

btw i hope i was wrong.

You still have provided little to NO rationale for your assertion.

There is a lot of volume and even record breaking in some perspectives  - also the mere fact that BTC prices have been largely floating in the $260s for the past few days, provides little rationale that they are likely to remain here.  I could see some foundation in your statement if the volume were a lot lower or if the price had been at this point for a lot longer.

Neither the fed auction nor the holidays would significantly impact some price break-out, because there are other potential overriding forces that seem to be brewing... and people seem to becoming generally more interested in getting involved in bitcoin, in spite of upcoming holidays
26075  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Methods of growing your Bitcoin? on: October 20, 2015, 04:35:48 AM
Shifting coins between alt and btc on an exchange can give you nice results Smiley

Now that sounds like gambling, unless you have some insider knowledge.
26076  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 20, 2015, 04:31:54 AM
i think we stuck at 265-270 until christmas  Huh




What's your basis for that statement, and what exchange are you using?

Seems to be a kind of FUD-ish assertion without much if any foundation to justify it.
26077  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Methods of growing your Bitcoin? on: October 20, 2015, 03:02:08 AM
As far as I am concerned here are the ways you can earn BTC:

1.  Faucet-Low value, but you have no chance of losing faucet BTC you receive, there are sites out there that might not pay out though.

2.  Sig Campaign-  Depending on your rank you can go ahead and earn a set amount per post 

3.  Trading-This is much like gambling, you can earn coins depending on well you trade

4. Gambling-  You can earn coins from gambling, but this is by far the most risky thing to consider




You forgot about 5) working for either fiat or BTC and converting that paid work to BTC.
why people should always list the gambling as a method of growing their coins? if you continue that maybe newbie's will com to gamble because they saw that many users are saying that they grow their coins from gambling.


YEP... seems kind of strange, and mostly difficult to believe ... because if you gamble, the odds are stacked against you and more likely than NOT, you are going to lose most, if NOT all, of what BTC holdings you have.
26078  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Methods of growing your Bitcoin? on: October 20, 2015, 01:23:09 AM
As far as I am concerned here are the ways you can earn BTC:

1.  Faucet-Low value, but you have no chance of losing faucet BTC you receive, there are sites out there that might not pay out though.

2.  Sig Campaign-  Depending on your rank you can go ahead and earn a set amount per post 

3.  Trading-This is much like gambling, you can earn coins depending on well you trade

4. Gambling-  You can earn coins from gambling, but this is by far the most risky thing to consider




You forgot about 5) working for either fiat or BTC and converting that paid work to BTC.
26079  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Methods of growing your Bitcoin? on: October 20, 2015, 01:12:50 AM
Just use an automatic trading bot and you'll be all set to making your Bitcoins grow. With a proper strategy and planning, you will earn a decent amount of coins by doing this. I think this would definitely work, but I'm afraid I don't know how to use such bot. If there's a tutorial on how to set up trading bots, I will surely love to know.  Smiley
I also never found a trading bot, but I can not use it and I am also afraid of the bot is a scammer. because I know usually trade bot always resale

a trading bot also has to be programmed (or set with the proper parameters) in order to NOT fuck things up when trading indicators are acting contrary to expectations (or contrary to profitability). 

I have a really good system working for me, right now (using fairly small amounts of money), yet I am doing it all manually so it is very time intensive and probably is taking too much time.. in terms of its profitability.  Nonetheless, I am expecting that as my profits continue to increase, then my amounts traded are also going to increase (all of this presuming that BTC prices are going up, in the long run)
how you manage to get the system?? did you create one yourself or did you manage to get it from somewhere? i would like to know how to get bots and would like to test it out for the 'sake' of science. lol.


Like I said, I do my trading manually - therefore, I am currently selling BTC as the price goes up, and I am currently buying BTC as the price goes down. 

My system presumes accumulation of BTC and presumes that BTC prices are inevitably going to go up and continue to go up, even though there will be volatility along the way that will allow me to continue to build my BTC stash during those periods of up and down (which seems inevitable in Bitcoinlandia).

I think that part of the reason that my system is hedged for success, so long as BTC prices continue to go up, is because I am only trading a small portion of my total BTC holdings in order that the total value of my BTC holdings will go up faster than I am selling any of it off, so even if the price does NOT come back down, the portfolio is still profitable because I am selling BTC along the way for more than I bought them... and I am ONLY selling those coins that are in the black (rather than some coins that I have that are in the red).   

Therefore, my investment seems to be covered either way, so long as in the long term the prices go up. and if the prices come back down, then I have cash in my BTC investment account that is designated and allocated for reinvestment in case of such eventualities. 

One of the difficulties with getting into a position to be able to implement my particular plan (or some variation of such) is that I have built a sufficient portion of my BTC stash that I am able to trade and the costs of those BTC are sufficiently below my selling prices.  I also have projected into my plan to completely cash out some portions of the holdings in the event that BTC totally fails, then I will have taken some of those profits off of the table  - hopefully getting to the point, some day, as some BTC investors have achieved, that all of my BTC investment is based on profits and to have withdrawn all of the initial investment principle.




26080  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 19, 2015, 07:13:01 PM
I saw the price is still stay in 264.84$. Yesterday and today still the same.. I will wait next week if the bitcoin price will rise..



Below  is a decent short article summarizing the current BTC price dynamics and giving a summary assessment regarding whether BTC prices will rise in the near future to meet a potential $300 price point. 




http://www.newsbtc.com/2015/10/19/bitcoin-price-technical-analysis-headed-for-300/


By the way, waiting until next week  doesn't help you if there is a price movement this week. ..... hahahahahahahahahahahaha

That depends on which way the price moves, doesn't it?


The article, in no way suggests price movement in either direction, it only describes some of the current price dynamics and how we got here, which I believe is a fairly safe assessment.

Also, I believe that part of the point of my earlier post was to highlight the fairly ridiculous premise of earlier assertion that the poster should wait a week in order to decide what to do about his/her bitcoin...

Waiting until next week is all fine and dandy if this week ends up being an uneventful week in bitcoinlandia and full of consolidation-like price activities.

On the other hand, merely because there seems to have been a couple days gravitation towards lower $260s does NOT signify that BTC prices are going to stay in this range throughout this week.

It is possible, that we could experience some consolidation while bears and bulls reassess their positions - yet sometimes it could take only a few extra active and motivated whales to cause the volume to once again increase and the price to move - either way..... especially during the week, when there is a real decent ability to quickly put some fiat onto various exchanges.







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