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2621  Economy / Speculation / Re: Turns out Charlie Lee was right... HODL on: September 16, 2017, 01:13:12 PM
^ Wups...  Maybe it's exactly why the Chinese regulators want those exchanges to close.  Running a fractional reserve is a nono, unless you're a bank regulated by the government.  Cheesy

That's very ironic.

Yes - the Chinese authorities have been investigating the exchanges since the start of the year and it's obvious that some shady stuff has been going on.
2622  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If China Bans Bitcoin Exchanges, will they also ban Bitcoin mining? on: September 16, 2017, 12:05:30 PM
Back in February 2017, a Chinese bitcoin mining company opened a branch in Sweden:

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/chinese-bitcoin-mining-firm-canaan-to-open-10-mw-facility-at-node-pole-sweden/

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China-based Canaan Creative, a bitcoin mining firm commonly known by Avalon, its bitcoin mining chip brand, will open a data center powered by hydroelectric power at the ‘Node Pole’. Owned by power companies, the technology infrastructure hub is situated in the Boden region near the Arctic Circle n in Sweden.

Canaan, which manufacturers ASIC microprocessors, claims to be the first Chinese bitcoin company to open a data center in Europe. The facility will operate at 10 MW at its initial stage, leaving room for expansion in the future.

So they at least are preparing for the possibility that China will ban bitcoin mining and are setting up operations abroad.
2623  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Most likely pumps soon on: September 16, 2017, 11:24:41 AM
Everything is about to pump. When btc slows down, altcoins pump

Actually most things are down at the moment due to this China drama.

The pumpers usually need a period of accumulation at low values before they pump, so it's possible a lot of accumulation is going on right now because everything is cheap.
2624  Economy / Speculation / Re: Turns out Charlie Lee was right... HODL on: September 16, 2017, 11:05:03 AM
Charles Lee wrote another tweet which he then deleted, but you can see it on the following reddit thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/70c6pp/charlie_lee_if_you_have_money_in_chinese/

It said:

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If you have money in Chinese exchanges, I recommend withdrawing now and not wait til last minute. Just in case they don't have full reserve.

It implies that some Chinese exchanges have been operating a fractional reserve and won't have enough bitcoin to allow people to withdraw.

I wonder what they do in that situation - just let users take a loss, or try to buy some coins on the western exchanges to be able to fulfil their obligations? I'm guessing the former.

If it turns out that the exchanges were operating a fractional reserve, we have another bloodbath coming later this month.
2625  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Future of Dogecoin? on: September 16, 2017, 10:49:45 AM
Next year , china  call next year is dog year
 i think they like  dog ,so  Dogecoin will be  best choice, they will buy so many dogecoin , i bought dogecoin with price 79 satoshi and i don't worry  when i invested money to it .



Ummm... China is closing down their exchanges, they won't be able to buy any cryptocurrency, let alone dogecoin...
2626  Economy / Exchanges / BTC-E is now WEX on: September 16, 2017, 10:26:52 AM
Looks like they have rebranded.

https://btc-e.nz/ now redirects to https://wex.nz/

Interesting also that they have chosen New Zealand domains for their new trading engine. It remains to be seen whether they manage to make a go of their new exchange.
2627  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bulltrap? Or Bull run restored? on: September 16, 2017, 10:17:21 AM


I'm actually waiting from Huobi and Okcoin official announcement, being the top 2 trading exchanges in China, closure means that the massive nose dive will continue and I'm speculating that it can go as low as $2000. However, we see a dramatic rise today. I'm still trying to understand what brought this price to go to very quickly. I don't know if this is a trap or dead cat bounce. However we can all sleep and relax again after a weeks carnage. I haven't sold and bought bitcoins though, was out of funds but can bought it about few days. But the buying point is no longer there. But at least really nice to see bitcoin rebound once again.

The thing is, those two exchanges never traded any ICOs, unlike BTCC and the others. So I wonder if they'll be treated differently? If it looks like they are staying open, then there will be a relief surge up.
2628  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin below $3000: "Good buy" or "Goodbye"? on: September 15, 2017, 01:43:35 PM
I am a big bitcoin supporter, but this was expected the way the Bitcoin price rose. There was a massive pump in my opinion, the max stable price i expect is around 1800 dollars. There was no significant breakthrough in bitcoin which could have caused that rise. Plus the recent China ban has made the situation worse. Fingers crossed for the next two months.

Yup - the rise from $3000 to $5000 was just too fast. If it stabalises at $3300 or so, that will be a result.

It's actually a good thing that China is closing it's exchanges - they were never going to allow adoption there (they'd already banned merchants from accepting it), so it was only ever a token for gambling over there.
2629  Economy / Speculation / Re: why is the price dropping? where is the logic please read! on: September 15, 2017, 10:59:55 AM
It's because the Chinese exchanges are shutting. The market makers on there have already exited to the western exchanges, which means that those selling on the Chinese exchanges are selling into an abyss.

This leads to a drop on the western exchanges, because the automated bots have been programmed to take account of prices on all the exchanges, including the Chinese exchanges.

Once we are past September 30th and the Chinese exchanges are closed, the selling pressure will abate and we return to normal.
2630  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are We Dead Without China? on: September 15, 2017, 09:57:48 AM
So the question is: Can Bitcoin survive without China?


Yes. Bitcoin was simply used to gamble in China, and some people used it for capital flight. They weren't allowed to use it to buy stuff, so there was zero merchant adoption over there.

Whereas in the west, there is quite a bit of adoption, in some municipalities in Switzerland, they even accept taxes paid using bitcoin.

This is a temporary setback, like the closure of Silk Road in 2014. Once people have got over their panic, it will rise back up again.
2631  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How long before crypto get used in everyday life like internet is now ? on: September 15, 2017, 09:06:21 AM
How many people on this board actually use cryptocurrency to buy stuff? Very few, most use it simply as a speculative tool.

And if a bunch of crypto-nerds isn't using it, why on earth would mainstream people use it?

If you'd asked me this question in 2013, I'd have said it would be mainstream by 2020. Now, I think it might not happen at all.
2632  Economy / Speculation / Re: ViaBTC closing down on: September 15, 2017, 08:00:35 AM
I make that four exchanges now closed: Bitkan (the OTC exchange), Yunbi, BTCC and now ViaBTC.

I guess those folk that sold immediately when the PBOC news came out and got an exit price of about $4400 are the smart ones...
2633  Economy / Speculation / Re: Call the Bottom (next 2 weeks) on: September 14, 2017, 05:33:56 PM
It was at around $3000 on August 1st when the hard fork happened. So I don't think it will go lower than that.

I reckon it will stay where it is at the moment and then on the next good news, it will start climbing again.
2634  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Will we see Black Friday tomorow? on: September 14, 2017, 04:19:45 PM
So guys, what your thoughts is?
Will we see Black Friday tomorow? Is it only a begining of bear market till October?

Or China exchange closing on 30 of September is allready priced inn?



I think it's mostly priced in - we've had nearly a week of this already.
2635  Economy / Speculation / Re: China Internet Finance Association: self-regulation, no crypto trading services on: September 14, 2017, 04:00:27 PM
In the news:

China Internet Finance Association: Bitcoin Exchanges Lack 'Legal Foundation'
https://www.coindesk.com/china-internet-finance-association-bitcoin-exchanges-lack-legal-foundation/

China's internet finance body urges members not to deal in cryptocurrencies
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-bitcoin/chinas-internet-finance-body-urges-members-not-to-deal-in-cryptocurrencies-idUSKCN1BO23E

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We urge all our members to exercise self-regulation and strictly abide by laws by not participating in any centralized trading or provide services for this type of trading,” the National Internet Finance Association of China said in a notice on its website www.nifa.org.cn

So bottom line would be "self regulation" ?

No more than a (unofficial) slap in the face, so far.

Jihan Wu tweeted this a couple hours ago about China's supposed ban on Bitcoin:

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Jihan Wu‏ @JihanWu
Replying to @mrvcrypto

China has not banned Bitcoin


https://twitter.com/JihanWu/status/907665487856881664


So according to Jihan Wu, china has not banned Bitcoin.

Im honestly sick of the back and fort. If they are going to ban it, then ban it already, because after they ban it, they can no longer interfere with the Bitcoin price. We will survive all bans in the world.


They haven't banned bitcoin - mining will still continue.

The exchanges are another matter though... So far three exchanges have said they are closing, Bitkan, Yunbi and BTCC.
2636  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: F**K Chinese BTC on: September 14, 2017, 01:26:46 PM
What is the list of Chinese exchange?*


Well so far, bitkan (OTC exchange), Yunbi and BTCC are suspending trading.

The others haven't said anything.
2637  Economy / Speculation / Re: To what low will bitcoin fall in this crash on: September 14, 2017, 01:10:26 PM
The next support line is $3200.

Of course if some of the other Chinese exchanges pop up with a statement that they arn't going anywhere, the price will jump again and investors will assume BTCC is closing for reasons specific to them.
2638  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: No exchanges closing in China - just regulation on: September 14, 2017, 12:48:56 PM
According to teh following thread, a Chinese exchange called Yunbi will close in three months:

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/6zok0c/yunbi_were_to_close_down_in_three_months_original/
2639  Economy / Speculation / Re: BITCOIN DUMP - CHINESE ARE OFFLOADING... on: September 14, 2017, 12:19:21 PM
i tried to warn everyone. Its $3500 right now.

BTC Its the end.

F**K

They knew. THEY FKN KNEW.
Sry but You are new, you know nothing

He did know - he knew that chinese were offloading coins based on some insider information, and that it signalled something bad.

And today we found out what that info was - BTCC is closing down.

lilRoy07, well done on your call.
2640  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: China will NOT shut down exchanges, per new report. on: September 14, 2017, 12:09:45 PM
Well - BTCC has announced it is closing at the end of September, saying this is in response to the new PBOC rules:

https://twitter.com/YourBTCC/status/908285586368167936

So Chinese exchanges ARE shutting down - the question is how many will go, and whether any will be allowed to continue to trade.
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