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5161  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who is promoting bitcoin for purchasing goods and services? on: April 26, 2013, 02:26:36 AM
It's decentralised, so there's no organisation looking after it as such.

But some vendors are accepting Bitcoins - eg the domain registrar Namecheap is now accepting bitcoins when you buy or renew a domain. I have a domain coming up for renewal in September, so i might see what their bitcoin price is (this is the real test - will they charge a premium, will it be on the mtgox exchange rate, who knows!)

My feeling is that a lot of vendors would like to accept bitcoins, the problem is that customers don't want to spend them. They'd rather spend dollars and hoard bitcoins. They've been corrupted by all those venture capitalists piling in to "trade" bitcoins against dollars, as though it was a stock instead of a currency.

Spend bitcoins and also try to earn them via commerce, and the more chance it will turn into a "real" currency out of the control of governments. As long as it remains an "asset" and people use fiat for their real needs, it will just be on the fringes.
5162  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to get BitCoin noticed in your town... on: April 25, 2013, 04:56:11 PM
If you are Generation X, like I am, then you'll be aware that an alternative social infrastructure already exists for alternative currencies!

A little history for those who weren't emerging into the adult world in the Days of Grunge: There was a severe recession in the early 90's, and there was a kind of anti-consumerist anti-government anti-fiat thing going on. But this was pre-internet, so all the alternative structures were built in local communities.

There was the LETS movement, which was a sort of Time Bank. Here's what it says on their site:

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A LETS operates by Mutual Credit. A group of people come together and agree a name for the currency (or they may decide to use Hours). They create a directory of Offers and Wants to let each other know what they are willing to trade and can contact each other at any time. Organisers may also hold social events to encourage members to meet up.
The currency is created as credits move from one account to another so new members may spend before they earn. The sum of all accounts is always zero at any one time. No interest is charged or paid for accounts which are "in commitment" or "in credit".
The diagram illustrates the end-point of a series of transactions: Fred did a task for Sue who paid him 20 units. Joe sold vegetables to Fred for 5 units. Then Sue did 10 units worth of work for the organisation, which was paid out of the system account. (Apologies if this is difficult to follow - a moving diagram would help).
The System Account - and any special accounts which the organisers may create to facilitate the operation of the scheme - are funded by means of set fees charged to all members and/or commissions or donations. The sterling costs of running the scheme may be supported by joining/ renewal fees or fund-raising. Each scheme requires intelligent and administration and outreach if it is to flourish in its particular local context.

There are LETs groups still going throughout the world. The Generation X Grunge crowd has stopped using them (though there are still some hardcore elements), but the Occupy crowd now uses it instead.

There's absolutely no reason why the "Mutual Credit" unit in these LETS orgs can't be switched to BitCoins. Or BitCoin simply being added as part of the services in the LETs - so people can convert their local mutual credit into BitCoins and back. LETs are not taxed in the UK or Australia - see the following FAQ which says:

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The Australian Taxation Office ruling on LETS, released in February 13th 1991 states that there are no Taxation implications for personal arrangements, social arrangements, hobbies or pass- times. These constitute about 70 to 80% of all LETS transactions.
Only if I am a tradesperson, a professional, a business, or a retailer or wholesaler and I am trading in my business is there any implication for tax. In such cases, "Income" is income, and I have to pay tax on my LETS Credit earnings just as I do on my federal Dollar earnings.

I understand that the Libertarian crowd drawn to BitCoins may recoil a bit from getting into bed with the Grunge/Occupy crowd - but BitCoins will only really take off if people use them to do ordinary stuff - buy food, pay for plumbing. As long as it is in the hands of the speculators who see it simply as another gold, then it's in danger of the big investment houses piling in and controlling it, which is the opposite of what the original Bitcoin movement was about.

So the short answer to your question is: Find out if your local town already has a LETs set up, join it and persuade them to add switches into Bitcoins as part of their services.
5163  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple Giveaway! on: April 25, 2013, 01:10:35 PM
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5164  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Newbie's, What's You're Biggest Bitcoin Related Problem? on: April 25, 2013, 03:39:09 AM
I'm looking to create more solutions...

Tell me what's your biggest problem getting started and/or using Bitcoin.

Moving fiat currency into bitcoins and then back again (if necessary)

I got very excited earlier when I discovered BTCPak - till I realised the service was selling moneypaks (only good for Americans). If someone could work out a similar service for pounds sterling or euros - a way to get money into Paypal or direct deposit - that would be wonderful! As far as I can tell the only options available are OKpay and Liberty Reserve.
5165  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: problem with bitcoin payment fees on: April 24, 2013, 10:46:23 PM
birdy - I just had a look at your coin control thread (thanks to you and DannyHamilton  - you've cleared up a lot of things).

Is it possible to use the coin control thing on a wallet in blockchain.info?
5166  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: problem with bitcoin payment fees on: April 24, 2013, 09:59:18 PM

If I have a wallet that has 20 outputs each valued at 0.1 BTC, I'd have to wait 10 days to spend any of them fee-less.  In the mean time, EVERY transaction I create will require a 0.0005 BTC fee.


Does that mean that if you have a lot of small credits in your wallets ("dust" I think you called them!), you should wait ten days before doing anything? Why ten days - is that the time it takes for the small inputs to get confirmed by all the nodes in the network?

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm new and I don't really understand the point of the fees at all.
5167  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: WARNING- BEAR TRAP AHEAD on: April 24, 2013, 09:50:52 PM
Well of course the price will fluctuate - that's how it is with all currencies.

I guess it depends on why you have got into bitcoins. Are you drawn to the speculative effects and the chance to make a quick killing? Or are you worried about the mainstream economy and just want to put your money into something that is anonymous and is not gold (which is hard to spend). If Bitcoin develops so that most businesses accept it, you could simply do normal tasks with bitcoins and only occasionally exchange into fiat currencies when you need to deal with fiat stuff eg paying your taxes, mortgages etc. If you are in the second category, the dollar price doesn't really matter at all, it's about long term security and having an alternative in case things go bad as they did in Cyprus.

5168  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Female bitcointers out there? on: April 24, 2013, 08:03:04 PM
I'm a girl. However I found out about bitcoin from another forum where a lot of men post...
5169  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Review of some free btc sites on: April 24, 2013, 07:14:58 PM
I've got a question about these tiny amounts. When they accrue in your wallet, can you add them up to spend in one go, incurring one transaction fee, or does the transaction fee apply to each incoming amount?

The reason I ask is that I came across an FAQ which said the following:

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Unfortunately when you spend your coins, sometimes you have to pay fees. One of them is a fee for transaction size. For every kilobyte of your transaction size you have to pay 0.0005 BTC. Typical transaction input has 170 bytes, for every 5 inputs you have to pay 0.0005 BTC. For example, you want to send 0.0005 BTC to your friends address XYZA. You've earned your bitcoins from 5 faucets, each paying out 0.0001 BTC. So these 5 faucets are your inputs. As we've already learned, for each 5 inputs you have to pay 0.0005 BTC, so if you want to "spend" your small earnings, you have to giveaway it all as a fee.

Is this true, and if it is, is it worth pursuing these tiny free amounts?
5170  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What is the status of ripples? on: April 24, 2013, 06:18:05 PM
Well I've set up my Ripple wallet - but no idea how to get some ripples to get started. Had a look at the sub-reddit on ripples, but it just pointed to this forum for giveaways.

Anyone got any ideas on how t get some?
5171  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Attention UK Bitcoiners on: April 24, 2013, 05:34:55 PM
I'm in the UK. You need to use either Liberty reserve or OK-Pay and a funding intermediary. And there are a bunch of e-exchangers out there, so you can convert money from say Liberty Reserve to move money to your account.

For example: the following e-exchanger (which is from New Zealand) - www.alertexchanger.com - will send money from Liberty Reserve to Paypal, and then from Paypal you can send it to your UK bank account (if your Paypal account is verified). It's a great pain, and of course there are fees taken out along the way.

If you use OK-pay, they then allow you to send money directly into your account.

Hope this helps
5172  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Review of some free btc sites on: April 24, 2013, 05:25:48 PM
I use the following:

thefreebitcoins.com

and once they've confirmed you are successful, they have other sites to click to (under "more bitcoin sites"). So you can just surf from site to site getting tiny amounts  - I think they all pay, I've seen amounts come through into my wallet, but I'm not monitoring closely, and they seem to come in dribs and drabs.
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