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2621  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Hosted bitcoind services on: January 01, 2015, 01:19:48 PM
Quote from: TechnoBibble on January 01, 2015, 01:14:56 PM
I'm sure blockchain.info are able to access my "online wallet" for instance, they do own the hardware.

Although they have had some rather bad recent screw ups, the wallet design itself (assuming no flaw), means that the private keys are encrypted "client-side" via .js (so they cannot steal your funds from having access to the server alone).

You should keep this in mind if you are thinking of providing any sort of "wallet service".
2622  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Double spent on: January 01, 2015, 12:50:29 PM
Quote from: LOBSTER on January 01, 2015, 12:49:50 PM
Double spends on this page may be unintentional. In the event that a double spend is maliciously crafted being listed on this page is no indication that it was successful or any merchant or user lost money as a result.

Yes - I read that - did you read my reply?

Quote from: CIYAM on January 01, 2015, 12:48:05 PM
So he adds a "disclaimer" but sticks to the "alarmist double-spend" term. Unfortunately most users are going to be alarmed rather than click further to be informed.

I am not sure whether there is a "perfect term" but "double-spend attempt" would at least be far more technically accurate.

When it comes down to it explaining the details is something that most people unfortunately are going to pay about as much attention to as they do all the fine print in their credit card contract or the like.

So if they use the term "double spend" then that will sink in just like the term "charge back" does.
2623  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Double spent on: January 01, 2015, 12:48:05 PM
Quote from: LOBSTER on January 01, 2015, 12:45:51 PM
Then here: https://blockchain.info/en/double-spends

So he adds a "disclaimer" but sticks to the "alarmist double-spend" term. Unfortunately most users are going to be alarmed rather than click further to be informed.
2624  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Double spent on: January 01, 2015, 12:44:47 PM
Quote from: LOBSTER on January 01, 2015, 12:40:06 PM
https://blockchain.info/de/double-spends Undecided Lips sealed

I don't grok German - and again - just because bitcoin.info insists upon using the incorrect term "double spend" doesn't somehow make it correct.

Unfortunately Ben (the guy who *is* blockchain.info) doesn't listen to other people and therefore doesn't fix up fundamental things like that (and even worse doesn't get proper reviewing done of the wallet code which led to people nearly losing around 1000 BTC recently).
2625  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Double spent on: January 01, 2015, 12:34:07 PM
Quote from: sgk on January 01, 2015, 12:30:03 PM
This was a known case of a successful double-spend:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152348.0

Again - the word "double-spend" is not technically correct as far as the blockchain goes.

There has never been (and never will be) an actual "double spend" in any blockchain worth using.

If an exchange decides to give you say USD after X commits then they are taking the risk that X commits is "safe enough" but in reality Bitcoin can actually re-org all the way back to the last checkpoint (which could be hundreds or even thousands of blocks).

If I was selling a house for BTC I certainly would not be using 6 confirmations (more likely I would require hundreds if not thousands).
2626  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Double spent on: January 01, 2015, 12:28:57 PM
Quote from: LOBSTER on January 01, 2015, 12:26:18 PM
Example: if I send a transaction with zero fees to another address and I get no confirmation, I can repeat the transaction by sending it's again with a fee. This is what I meant Wink  Am I right?  Huh

Okay - it depends upon the actual tx. If you have insufficient fees for the tx to be "valid" then sure you can repeat with a "valid tx". But if your tx is "valid" (but just has no or a very low fee) then it will be propagated but may not get included in a block before it is removed from each node's memory pool.
2627  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Double spent on: January 01, 2015, 12:24:19 PM
Quote from: LOBSTER on January 01, 2015, 12:22:49 PM
Speed up which process? You can send a transaction with a higher fee to get a faster confirmation.

No you can't (maybe some certain nodes running non-standard software might do this but just try it yourself using say blockchain.info to see that you can't do what you suggest).

(note that we are talking about using the "same UTXOs as part of a different tx" not just creating a completely different tx using different UTXOs)

All nodes running the standard Satoshi software will simply reject any attempt to "double spend" so any "replacement tx" would have to wait until the first tx has been dropped from the memory pool of each node.
2628  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Double spent on: January 01, 2015, 12:21:53 PM
Quote from: redsn0w on January 01, 2015, 11:55:28 AM
A double spend implies that one of the two  transactions will be "refused"  or maybe I don't understand how it works (maybe I'm wrong).

Yes - you are not wrong - this is why it is really more correctly described as a "double spend attempt" as blockchains do not allow "double spends" (if they did then they would be absolutely useless in performing the very job they were created for).

@Domino - There is no way to "speed up the process" currently. If a method to "replace a tx that has insufficient fees with one that has sufficient fees" is worked out and adopted by the majority of nodes then this would be the solution (for now you just have to wait).
2629  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Double spent on: January 01, 2015, 04:46:00 AM
Quote from: twister on January 01, 2015, 04:39:48 AM
So these were merely an attempt at double spends but only 1 of those Tx was confirmed, right? And other one was rejected.

Yes - it would be better if they (blockchain.info) used the term "double spend attempt" (as that is far more technically correct).

Note that even that description is perhaps a little "emotionally loaded" as in fact it may just be someone who made a genuine *mistake* by omitting a fee trying to resend with an appropriate fee (currently a "replace with proper fee" is not supported).

Thus the existence of two such txs doesn't imply that someone is actually trying to cheat someone else at all (but if you have received funds in such a manner of course it would be better to be aware of the situation than not - although as has been pointed out accepting 0 confirmations is never a very good idea).

As far as alt coins go - any blockchain that doesn't prevent double spends is *useless* so even if they don't use the same consensus method as Bitcoin one would assume they don't allow "actual double spends".
2630  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BURST] Burst | Efficient HDD Mining | New 1.2.0 Automated Transactions on: January 01, 2015, 04:28:15 AM
Quote from: fivebells on January 01, 2015, 03:50:28 AM
Oh, it's the way I'm invoking it.  You have to compile the file first, or it does something inscrutable with stdout.  Still not sure it's behaving correctly, though.

Code:
lap% ~/alien/scala-2.11.2/bin/scalac ATAssembler.scala
Unknown: ADD @00000000 @00000001

Although I haven't played with that assembler tool myself perhaps try this instead:

Code:
ADD @00000000 $00000001

(I've just noticed that the test case listings are different to when I use the current C++ prototype)
2631  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: airgap wallet not totally safe? on: December 31, 2014, 03:29:18 PM
A QR code just contains *data* (no program) so it is very different to a USB device (that can contain things like autorun programs).

*EDIT* the use of QR codes is "dumb comms" vs. USB which is "smart comms" - when it comes to best security practices the "dumber" the better (audio cables are another approach that has been worked on).

Note that narrowing the comms down to "one channel" (i.e. just cams) is much better than having to deal with multiple potential comms channels.
2632  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: airgap wallet not totally safe? on: December 31, 2014, 03:36:34 AM
Quote from: ChineseSavior on December 31, 2014, 02:05:20 AM
Anything you move over to the airgap computer should be through usb stick and then the usb stick essentially smelted.

It would be safer to use QR codes rather than USB devices (due to potential attack vectors) but if you are going to use USB there is no reason to "destroy" the device (the point is to simply not re-use it).
2633  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: CIYAM - now recruiting on: December 29, 2014, 02:23:14 PM
Firstly season's greetings for those following this topic and secondly to reassure everyone that things are happening (to view progress it is probably best to follow the git commits as those happen a lot more than posts here do).

The basic Wallet package has been completed (and includes "type 1" deterministic wallets).

Congratulations to Burst for being the first blockchain to adopt the AT technology that was invented by CIYAM and it is expected that Qora will soon follow suit (meaning that the first atomic cross-chain transfer from two different mainnet blockchains will occur most likely very early in the new year).

The new consensus method that CIYAM is working on is currently under mathematical analysis and assuming all goes well there will be some major announcements to come in the next few months.
2634  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Sneak peaks, post a sneak peak of your project you're developing for 2015 on: December 27, 2014, 05:27:24 AM
Quote from: Elwar on December 25, 2014, 06:44:37 PM
c28025710166.b0-0.a28025710166?

You're mad man!

Let drop a few fairly harmless hints:
c28025710166 (identifies "chain" id 28025710166)
b0-0 (identifies the root block)
a28025710166 (identifies the root account)

Quote from: Phat Buzz Tart on December 25, 2014, 06:55:36 PM
Interesting, especially the: "./ciyam_client -quiet -no_prompt < x > y"  part.
Ian, why quiet and no prompt?

That is just to clean up the output for "y" (the actual "commands" and "prompts" are hidden).

Quote from: Phat Buzz Tart on December 25, 2014, 06:55:36 PM
I know I will probably not get an answer right now but,
what are you working on?

I am hoping that it could become the next big step in blockchain evolution.
2635  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Sneak peaks, post a sneak peak of your project you're developing for 2015 on: December 25, 2014, 03:35:33 PM
If you thought @btchip was hard to follow then this is going to make no sense at all (sorry but I am keeping things well under wraps for now):

Code:
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cat y
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2636  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Blockchain bloat solutions? on: December 23, 2014, 02:56:27 PM
Quote from: Parazyd on December 23, 2014, 02:54:04 PM
I don't think pruning is a good idea. One should be able to keep ALL history.
If it's too much for you, use Electrum or something similar.

No-one is going to *dictate* pruning - that would be an option of course but it would be much better to have people running full nodes with pruning than to instead run clients that have *no blockchain* like Electrum (as they are not helping to secure the network at all in regards to the blockchain).
2637  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Blockchain bloat solutions? on: December 23, 2014, 02:52:40 PM
Checkpoints are added by the devs at every new release (except perhaps some very minor patch releases) but the problem is that you need to be able to trace back UTXOs to their origin (known as "coinbase") which actually still includes the very first blocks created.

I gather that "pruning" will eventually help reduce the burden by being able to remove all spent UTXOs from the data needing to be kept.
2638  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The single biggest thing that will bring Bitcoin to the mainstream in 2015 on: December 22, 2014, 03:14:30 PM
Quote from: Elwar on December 22, 2014, 03:11:15 PM
I would not do well. I am only good at spurts of productivity. So I need a cozy job that lets me post on bitcointalk all day until something big comes up while still getting paid Tongue

Hmm... well maybe if the tasks have big enough rewards then those spurts can see you through times of inactivity without going broke in the meantime - but thanks for the honesty (that does help me to understand why the concept is perhaps *ahead of its time*).
2639  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The single biggest thing that will bring Bitcoin to the mainstream in 2015 on: December 22, 2014, 03:07:19 PM
Quote from: Elwar on December 22, 2014, 03:02:37 PM
I work in the contracting world. There are two types of workers in this world. Someone who gets hired on for a short amount of time to help complete a specific task and someone who works for a company that gets contracts and assigns it to their employees.hey might not have a choice.

Agreed - I was a contractor for many years and I created CIYAM Open as actually that is the way I am comfortable to work.

From the dibber's perspective the main issue is the number of project tasks that are available - so this is again a "chicken and egg" problem.
2640  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The single biggest thing that will bring Bitcoin to the mainstream in 2015 on: December 22, 2014, 02:53:30 PM
I am interested to know whether or not the CIYAM Open model of working (on tasks rather than for a single employer) is something you have or would consider?
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