Yep that sounds like your argument Astargath.

Several reasons I do not find it moving.

1) It assumes the reality of hell as eternal torment forever. As I have said this is not a belief I share. Here again is some info on an alternative view.

Annihilationism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilationism

2) It assumes that evil will be allowed to exist in heaven.

3) It has very pro communism undertones. This is actually ironic because pathological ideologies like communism are exactly what people turn to once they reject God.

I have laid out all of these arguments up-thread and you are not convinced. That is ok we all must forge our own identities and the path each of us take is different.

I have noticed in our multi page back and for that you usually seek only to deconstruct the position of others. I recommend instead that you focus your energy constructively. Seek to determine exactly what you do believe in. What is your truth and what are its implications. From there you can better evaluate if you have chosen a truth you can live with or a false ideology leading to a dead end.

In the end we all live out our faiths whatever they may be. If our beliefs do not line up with reality then we suffer and learn.

Imagine Dragons - Believer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wtfhZwyrcc

Science is not everything. Science doesnt have the explanations to all things. How can you expect science to explain and understand if indeed God is the creator of the universe? How big is the universe? Science is made up of tiny brain of human being and how do you think a tiny dot of brain can contain the maker of the universe? It is like putting the whole ocean into a drinking glass container. A carnal mind will never understand spiritual matters. Science say to see is to believe, spiritual says believe and you will see.

Its now a couple of weeks and i still wait for a  link to some real practical evidence.

The thing i found is just so unpractical.

Your assumption that I am assuming anything is wrong. You are a compilation of many parts, just like a rock. But the complexity of the way your parts are arranged is what makes you a "who." The complexity of the universe is the thing that shows the Maker to be a "Who"... or maybe you are not a "who?"


You are wrong again about me having such an assumption. A god would be someone who is superhuman. So, when you have Someone Who made and upholds the whole complexity of the universe, that not only is God in the simplicity of simple minded people who use our language and thinking, but when we contemplate God deeply, we see that "He" is SuperGod way beyond all understanding... beyond any super-alien we have imagined, who might have super abilities.



The "everything has a cause" argument is simply something you are using, here, inappropriately. The thing your so-called debunkers are saying is, "We have not seen the cause of everything, therefore we don't know for a fact that everything has a cause." So, there is a difference between what you are suggesting, and what your debunkers are saying.

There are three major points that so strongly suggest that causation is universal, that everybody understands that it is universal. These points are:
1. The gigantic quantity of existing cause and effect actions;
2. The fact that there has not even been one effect that has been shown to have come about by something other than a cause;
3. That the logic of an effect without a cause is not something that fits or makes sense regarding our universe.

You are simply not understanding correctly, the things that are being said in the links that you provided.



EDIT: Your links are so extremely full of assumptions that they totally invalidate themselves. It's like the authors are doing the exact thing that they are other people of doing. The difference is that they are assuming way more, and in a way that shows that they are either blind to this fact, or that they are trying to use troll-like propaganda on people. If you happen to be a sincere person, and you read crap like this, no wonder you think that simply because you might be able to out talk someone, is the reason that you are correct.

I can have 100 ratings, and it wouldn't change a thing. Accounts will continue to be tagged, with or without my name. The latter part of the statement does not show the stupidity of the system, but rather your own ignorance.

Liar or intentionally deceptive. Surprise, surprise.

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This. At least someone around here deserves a merit or two (or 7).  

You know, God works in many ways you can never imagine. Even if there are many religion out there, the same thing between them is they still worship to one God only. Maybe we never see Him in person, we only heard Him through stories, but why do we believe in His existence? Because we are His creation. We shouldn't doubt Him. Just like a father to his children, He punish us to give us lessons, He give us sickness so we can see His greatness. Just don't forget there's always a rainbow after rain. He won't give us problem that we can't handle.

^^^ Look at this fag, he quotes every post I make with a non-nonsensical response not related to the quoted subject matter like a retarded bot.

Your tummy grumbles. Yo are hungry. It is a request. God hears it and answers with food.

God gave good strength to all kinds of beings (angels) and people. God made them good and free. They invented ways of turning against God. When something bad happens, it is because bad beings are using God's strength for evil. That's why you don't get the good things you ask for sometimes.

But, if you asked God for a sign that He existed, you already had that sign in the faith you had in Him, and the studies you studied about Him. So, what else was He to do? The thing He did for you was to answer your real prayer, which was a prayer asking for proof that He didn't exist, rather than that He did. So, He gave you that, and now you don't believe He exists, even though you know He might exist, because you haven't checked out every corner of the universe to see if God is there or not.

Dark matter in space is what hides our view of God. It's a good thing, too. Because if we saw Him, the overwhelming sight of His surpassing beauty and glory would cause us to die in awed shock.

You have been marked with red with reference to : Found some members selling, buying account

Accounts sales are going on in the forum and outside forum but this allows shitposters and scammers to enter into the white coats of a known/reputable person who sold their account. In other words its shady AF and thus DT has to mark them as red to prevent others from getting scammed or to render the account useless for shitposters.

Also I am not on DT but I mark account sellars with red because it matters to me since they are not be trusted. For now you only have to deal with it because account selling and all are non-pardonable. What matters to you is the rating Lauda gave which I am sure will never be removed.

Even if Lauda is removed from DT, other people will take their place and continue marking them with red.

PS. This thread should be moved to "Reputation".

You miss the point. Simply because good portions of cars are made by automatic machines, and even though many other machined parts are machined, does that mean that the machines made the cars?

Cause and effect has induced that manufacture of the cars from their first inception right on down to the last polish put on the paint.

Like the machines haven't made the cars, even so the people haven't made the cars. Both machines and people are carrying out the C&E activity that nature has in them.

The only difference between the machines and the people is, the machines don't have the artificial free will that makes them artificially feel good (or, sometimes, artificially feel pain) when they are making cars.

In other words, because people are induce in all their activity by C&E, they aren't really the ones who make cars.

The question asks itself, if it isn't people, then Who is It?

The reason you feel this way is because you regard this particular commandment as trivial and regard God as myth. Thus your imagination is filled with visions of inquisitions and persecuted innocents.

There is no religions group I am aware of even extremist sects that advocate a death penalty for working on the sabbath.
Your fear of being forced at gun point to relax one day a week seems far fetched to the point of ridiculousness.

You also fail to appreciate that without God you are basically operating under nihilistic assumptions and under nihilism any system of rules a society chooses to implement and enforce is by definition arbitrary and meaningless. You can operate by might makes right, let the judges make the rules, or let a majority vote rule all are equally arbitrary and meaningless under nihilism.

What is interesting about the Sabbath is the high degree of importance that is attached to it in the Bible. As other commandment like don't murder are obvious in their necessity one cannot help but wonder why the Sabbath is so critical that it is essentially elevated to near same level of importance as avoiding murder.

Q? "the firmament sheweth his handywork"

Earth, the perfected fusion of technology and turtle.




Bonus map:

It isn't relevant to this topic, right?   

If your goal is to honestly analyze to then you have to consider the context.

You cited (Numbers 15:32-36) where a man is put to death for working on the sabbath.

From the Biblical timeline we can conclude that this man was likely among the originals who followed Moses out of Egypt. He was thus not only a direct witness to several miracles he heard the voice of God directly at Mt. Sinai.

The problem was that this man was deliberately and flagrantly working in the open on the Sabbath day when God had directly manifested himself and commanded that no work be done on the Sabbath. This was a direct challenge to God's authority.

Apparently, this was the first public offense against the newly revealed law of God. It was, essentially, being tested. Therefore, the severity of the punishment was to demonstrate to all of Israel the necessity of obeying the Law of God.

To further add further context from a Christian tradition we have to consider the following.

Matthew 12:11-12
He said to them, “Which one of you who has a sheep, if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not take hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”

Mark 2:27-28  
And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

Combining all of these threads what is the overall message. I think it is a warning. The simple factual based observation that if we fail to strengthen, maintain, and transmit our faith and culture roots things will go very badly for us..

How much of our time must be dedicated to ensure we succeed in sustaining ourselves and our foundations? Perhaps one seventh especially with regards to the most difficult portion of our duties successfully passing respect for God to the next generation..

So you agree that you are ignorant or a troll or both.

The Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite (TESS) will discover thousands of exoplanets in orbit around the brightest stars in the sky. In a two-year survey of the solar neighborhood, TESS will monitor more than 200,000 stars for temporary drops in brightness caused by planetary transits. This first-ever spaceborne all-sky transit survey will identify planets ranging from Earth-sized to gas giants, around a wide range of stellar types and orbital distances. No ground-based survey can achieve this feat.

I suggest NASA point the cameras toward Earth and take pics of the top of the dome.

Now you are dumping down denser than notbatman. At least notbatman manages to explain what is in the videos and how it applies. But you don't even know what is in the videos that you suggest... at least not enough to explain it.