Health and Religion

[Astargath]

Do we have free will, yes or not? You can't say we have free will only in faith to god, that makes absolutely no sense. We can't have free will if there is an entity that knows what's going to happen because how does he know? If everything is C&E as you claim, how can you say there is free will?

[BADecker]

Do we have free will, yes or not? You can't say we have free will only in faith to god, that makes absolutely no sense. We can't have free will if there is an entity that knows what's going to happen because how does he know? If everything is C&E as you claim, how can you say there is free will?

The idea of religion is a similar thing. When you say religion, what do you really mean. The full definition of religion expresses all kinds of things that people usually don't think about.

Same with free will. What do you mean by free will?

People have a touch of free will that God uses to direct the course of a person's life.

People have no free will regarding their ability to do, or even think about, anything that they consider a choice that they made. Why not? Because the choice making process was instilled in them by God working through cause and effect to do it... except for the touch of free will that they have regarding their faith in God.

Because of the above, people have a touch of free will, with an overwhelmingly large amount of artificial free will.

What do you mean when you say free will?

But even you, a person who doesn't want to accept God, at least not formally, can look at how cause and effect works on all the various size scales, and you can see that we are induced to think and believe our choices that we make. We are induced by all the C&E actions in atoms and molecules and energies within and outside of us, to make whatever choices and decisions we make.

In other words, our conversation here, and the fact that it splashes onto these forum pages as it does, has been foretold for ages, in the vastly complex C&E actions of the universe and nature that have gone before. Everything we do and say here has been programmed. I understand that it is by God, but God allows you to not understand what did the programming, because the little bit of free will that you have is against God.

[CoinCube]

Do we have free will, yes or not? You can't say we have free will only in faith to god, that makes absolutely no sense. We can't have free will if there is an entity that knows what's going to happen because how does he know? If everything is C&E as you claim, how can you say there is free will?

Interesting question. I agree that the answer depends on what you mean by free will. According to our current understanding of reality the future already exists. The concept that the future is something that has yet to happen simply an illusion.

This video does a nice job of explaining why this is the case using our current understanding of Einstein's theory of relativity.

The illusion of time past, present and future all exist together
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtjYqCi93E0

Once we grasp the concept that the future already exists it becomes clear that we cannot have free will in the ultimate sense. We are are forever bound by the cascade of cause and effect. That chain already extends into the remotest future.

What we have is consciousness the perfect illusion of choice our gift from God or the cosmos if you will.

If I give my daughter the choice between broccoli or ice cream I know with certainty what she will choose every time. Her choice is known the future set in stone. You could perhaps argue that she has no free will in the matter but that is misleading. She has the illusion of freedom in that she is able to follow the essence of who she is and apply that to the world in this case by eating ice cream.

This is the type of free will we have. Our destinies are already written but we arrive at those destinies via a testing. We are able to apply who we are to the reality of the cosmos and the result and consequence is our "choice".

[Astargath]

Do we have free will, yes or not? You can't say we have free will only in faith to god, that makes absolutely no sense. We can't have free will if there is an entity that knows what's going to happen because how does he know? If everything is C&E as you claim, how can you say there is free will?

Interesting question. I agree that the answer depends on what you mean by free will. According to our current understanding of reality the future already exists. The concept that the future is something that has yet to happen simply an illusion.

This video does a nice job of explaining why this is the case using our current understanding of Einstein's theory of relativity.

The illusion of time past, present and future all exist together
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtjYqCi93E0

Once we grasp the concept that the future already exists it becomes clear that we cannot have free will in the ultimate since. We are are forever bound by the cascade of cause and effect. That chain already extends into the remotest future.

What we have is consciousness the perfect illusion of choice our gift from God or the cosmos if you will.

If I give my daughter the choice between broccoli or ice cream I know with certainty what she will choose every time. Her choice is known the future set in stone. You could perhaps argue that she has no free will in the matter but that is misleading. She has the illusion of freedom in that she is able to follow the essence of who she is and apply that to the world in this case by eating ice cream.

This is the type of free will we have. Our destinies are already written but we arrive at those destinies via a testing. We are able to apply who we are to the reality of the cosmos and the result and consequence is our "choice".

I'm just saying that if that's the case then god and going to heaven or hell is unfair. No one will be tested the same way, some people die younger for example while others enjoy 40 years more of time where they might find out that god is real or not. If everything is already ''written'' then people are not evil or good, they are simply slaves of C&E and there would be no point to have a hell or a heaven. It is god who made people either evil or good.

[JanVanHellsing]

I don't believe these studies at all, times have changed and the problem is always extremist people. Judging by religions is a mistake at this time. Or are we still living in caverns

You are believing the wrong studies. Time changes, but people don't. All you need to do to see this is look qt people of the past to see that they had heads, arms, hands, feet, legs, torsos, etc. just like we have.

People still live in caves in various parts of the world. If there were an abundance of caves right now in parts of California, people would be living there rather than in the tent cities.


All the skeletons and parts of skeletons of prehistoric man that we have, are so few in number that they could fit on one table. Their differences from modern mankind suggest genetic or other deformities in a few people or animals, rather than evolution. Evolution, including the timeline and formally accepted age of the earth, is a complete fable.

Time for you to start learning what is real, rather than what you want to believe.

''don’t know how many hominin fossils there are in the world. There is no tabulation. The pace of discovery now is too fast to track. Each year for the last decade, anthropologists have unearthed hundreds of fossil specimens from extinct hominin species and populations.

By 2012, the Sima de los Huesos hominin assemblage, near Burgos, Spain, numbered more than 6500 specimens from at least 28 individuals. Many more fossils are recovered in every field season. In South Africa, the Rising Star hominin sample today numbers more than 2000 specimens from at least 18 individuals. This deposit of hominin fossils was completely unknown until 2013. From just two caves, that is nearly 9000 fossil hominin specimens.''

https://medium.com/@johnhawks/how-much-evidence-have-scientists-found-for-human-evolution-355801dfd35c

https://anthropologynet.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/fossil-hominid-skulls.jpg

You can clearly see all the differences.

You can clearly see the differences:

http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/477698726-yellow-cab-work-trip-traffic-light-sidewalk.jpg

https://d2v9y0dukr6mq2.cloudfront.net/video/thumbnail/NW0fQmiOgijpqxr6o/nyc-crowd-street-people-new-york-city-late-1940s-1950s-vintage-film-movie-3549_bumdbgtl__F0000.png

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/gettyimages-907601562.jpg

Your B.S. tables are simply a science fiction story. They are a religion that distracts from reality. They are destroying the health of people simply by getting people to believe in falsehood.

Health and religion.

You can go to museums and check the fossils for yourself unless you are saying all of them are fabricated.

You can't seem to get it through your head that it isn't the existence of fossils that is the point. The point is the interpretation of where they came from and why they exist. The story about the fossils is the fiction, not the fossils themselves.

So what do you think the interpretation is lol, it's quite clear to me. We know they are human fossils and we have found many of them, we can also date them.

We know that some are human fossils. We also know that they some of them could be animal fossils... and, indeed, some have proven to be animal in the past. We know that they could be diseased, mutated malformations of modern man. We know our dating system is very contradictory, and is a accepted as it is by arbitrary decision rather than absolute knowledge that it is even close to accurate. Some people simply choose to believe these things for the sake of choice.

The point is, we have a complete science fiction story about the age of the earth and evolution. When it is believed to be truth, it becomes religion.

The age-old Bible religion - and even Islam - have way better truth than science does with the prehistoric man fictional ideas.

''The point is, we have a complete science fiction story about the age of the earth'' How ironic coming from someone who believes in the bible, science fiction heh.

Science is the new religion on the block. It's has only been around in any strength for about 500 years. Its failures are enormous in how the theories have changed over time. But to make it a strong religion, scientist priests have made failure of theories to be a good thing. They call it the process of discovering new truths. There aren't any new truths. Everything that exists now has always existed in the past in one form or another.

This is an excellent point, many who believe in nothing forget they still believe something, as "the model of nothingness" or "the model of science". You can replace model with religion as it is founded on beliefs.

In that world a teacher or scientist is the priest. Most people take the "accepted reality" or "model of the world" for granted because they belief a priest. Almost none wants the proof, as the priests have performed a magic ritual on an Altar and got direct insights from the gods. Well, except they were in a research facility, not in a church.

[Astargath]

I don't believe these studies at all, times have changed and the problem is always extremist people. Judging by religions is a mistake at this time. Or are we still living in caverns

You are believing the wrong studies. Time changes, but people don't. All you need to do to see this is look qt people of the past to see that they had heads, arms, hands, feet, legs, torsos, etc. just like we have.

People still live in caves in various parts of the world. If there were an abundance of caves right now in parts of California, people would be living there rather than in the tent cities.


All the skeletons and parts of skeletons of prehistoric man that we have, are so few in number that they could fit on one table. Their differences from modern mankind suggest genetic or other deformities in a few people or animals, rather than evolution. Evolution, including the timeline and formally accepted age of the earth, is a complete fable.

Time for you to start learning what is real, rather than what you want to believe.

''don’t know how many hominin fossils there are in the world. There is no tabulation. The pace of discovery now is too fast to track. Each year for the last decade, anthropologists have unearthed hundreds of fossil specimens from extinct hominin species and populations.

By 2012, the Sima de los Huesos hominin assemblage, near Burgos, Spain, numbered more than 6500 specimens from at least 28 individuals. Many more fossils are recovered in every field season. In South Africa, the Rising Star hominin sample today numbers more than 2000 specimens from at least 18 individuals. This deposit of hominin fossils was completely unknown until 2013. From just two caves, that is nearly 9000 fossil hominin specimens.''

https://medium.com/@johnhawks/how-much-evidence-have-scientists-found-for-human-evolution-355801dfd35c

https://anthropologynet.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/fossil-hominid-skulls.jpg

You can clearly see all the differences.

You can clearly see the differences:

http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/477698726-yellow-cab-work-trip-traffic-light-sidewalk.jpg

https://d2v9y0dukr6mq2.cloudfront.net/video/thumbnail/NW0fQmiOgijpqxr6o/nyc-crowd-street-people-new-york-city-late-1940s-1950s-vintage-film-movie-3549_bumdbgtl__F0000.png

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/gettyimages-907601562.jpg

Your B.S. tables are simply a science fiction story. They are a religion that distracts from reality. They are destroying the health of people simply by getting people to believe in falsehood.

Health and religion.

You can go to museums and check the fossils for yourself unless you are saying all of them are fabricated.

You can't seem to get it through your head that it isn't the existence of fossils that is the point. The point is the interpretation of where they came from and why they exist. The story about the fossils is the fiction, not the fossils themselves.

So what do you think the interpretation is lol, it's quite clear to me. We know they are human fossils and we have found many of them, we can also date them.

We know that some are human fossils. We also know that they some of them could be animal fossils... and, indeed, some have proven to be animal in the past. We know that they could be diseased, mutated malformations of modern man. We know our dating system is very contradictory, and is a accepted as it is by arbitrary decision rather than absolute knowledge that it is even close to accurate. Some people simply choose to believe these things for the sake of choice.

The point is, we have a complete science fiction story about the age of the earth and evolution. When it is believed to be truth, it becomes religion.

The age-old Bible religion - and even Islam - have way better truth than science does with the prehistoric man fictional ideas.

''The point is, we have a complete science fiction story about the age of the earth'' How ironic coming from someone who believes in the bible, science fiction heh.

Science is the new religion on the block. It's has only been around in any strength for about 500 years. Its failures are enormous in how the theories have changed over time. But to make it a strong religion, scientist priests have made failure of theories to be a good thing. They call it the process of discovering new truths. There aren't any new truths. Everything that exists now has always existed in the past in one form or another.

This is an excellent point, many who believe in nothing forget they still believe something, as "the model of nothingness" or "the model of science". You can replace model with religion as it is founded on beliefs.

In that world a teacher or scientist is the priest. Most people take the "accepted reality" or "model of the world" for granted because they belief a priest. Almost none wants the proof, as the priests have performed a magic ritual on an Altar and got direct insights from the gods. Well, except they were in a research facility, not in a church.

The difference is that the experiments performed can be performed again, you can do them yourself if you learn enough about the specific thing the experiment was made for, you can also observe and evaluate the evidence for yourself something that you cannot do as a religious person, the church or bible doesn't offer you any evidence or experiments at all so please, stop it.

[Astargath]

All religion when it was conceived was meant to be peaceful and make people aware of their responsibilities towards one another. Sadly people misused it all the time for all kind of reasons, e.g. to obtain control over the population, power, greed etc. Historically speaking the clergy sadly have often condoned this, or even were active in promoting this misuse of religion.

Usually religion requires it's followers to adhere to unproven dogma's, which is OK with me since belief is something that can't be proven, and if it gives you strength and guidance, by all means, follow it.
What I object to is the insistance of some to convert the so called non believers, sometimes by coercion or by force.

Because of this religion has often in the past stood in the way of scientific advancement, because what scientists found didn't fit the dogma. Just think of Galileo Galilei, who was threatened with a ban when he proposed the view that earth was not the centre of the universe.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gal...

Yep, that's us humans for you. We lie, we cheat, we oppress, we seek power over others. Point to any human institution be it economic, scientific, or religious and you simply need to scratch the surface to expose the corruption we introduce. Religious institutions are in no way immune. They are composed of flawed individuals too.

In the Catholic church during the middle ages the corruption got to the point where it was selling permission to sin in the form of indulgences. The corruption was so severe that believers in the church could no longer overlook the hypocrisy and broke away in open rebellion thus the Protestant Reformation.

Galileo certainly was treated very poorly by the Catholic church but he was no saint himself. He refused to marry the mother of his three children making them illegitimate which was a big deal back then. Despite being a wealthy and powerful man, acknowledging illegitimate daughters would have presumably been embarrassing and inconvenient for him. It would also have probably been costly and difficult to find them good husbands. So instead he opted to sent them away at the tender ages of thirteen and twelve respectively to live in a covenant for the rest of their lives. A very harsh fate for a 12 year old when it is imposed not voluntarily chosen. Galileo was human too a good scientist but very human.

Religion discovered truth and science

"Even we knowers of today, we godless anti-metaphysicians, still take our fire, too, from the flame lit by the thousand-year-old faith, the Christian faith which was also Plato's faith, that God is truth; that truth is divine". ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

''Religion discovered truth and science '' Did it really, did god specifically told people in the bible about the scientific method?

Yes it did or at least that is my belief. The grounding of reality in the divine and the acknowledgement that truth is divine sets us on a quest to seek the truth. Science is nothing more then a formalized and systemic attempt to seek truth. Its prerequisite is the belief and certainty that there is a truth worth seeking.

Friedrich Nietzsche one of the most devastating critics of institutional Christianity that every lived felt this way, as does Jordan Peterson today. Somewhere upthread I posted an eloquent argument by John C. Wright where he makes this case as well. I find the arguments these thinkers put forward persuasive but you will have to make up your own mind.

''The grounding of reality in the divine and the acknowledgement that truth is divine sets us on a quest to seek the truth'' That seems to me like a very conflicting statement. If people did indeed acknowledge that the truth is divine, they wouldn't be looking for it, the bible says that when you get to heaven you will have all your answers, doesn't it? Also a lot of scientists and smart people weren't religious, even at the time that religion and gods were most prominent. They were searching for the truth without the need for religion or gods or acknowledgement of the ''divine''.

[CoinCube]

I'm just saying that if that's the case then god and going to heaven or hell is unfair. No one will be tested the same way, some people die younger for example while others enjoy 40 years more of time where they might find out that god is real or not. If everything is already ''written'' then people are not evil or good, they are simply slaves of C&E and there would be no point to have a hell or a heaven. It is god who made people either evil or good.

I suppose that would depends on the nature of heaven and hell. Perhaps hell is the process whereby that which is not in alignment with Truth and reality is either rectified or broken down and destroyed. There certainly have been many examples of what we would call 'hell on earth'. These usually occur shortly before the human system that spawns the suffering collapses under its own weight.

The vast majority of "unfairness" in the world is the result of human sin, vice, and malice. What little remains after accounting for sin can be usually be attributed to human ignorance and our limited understanding how the mechanics of reality actually function. Medicine for example is the organized attempt to rectify our ignorance in regards to human biology. As we eliminate our ignorance we gain the ability to remove some "unfairness".  

''The grounding of reality in the divine and the acknowledgement that truth is divine sets us on a quest to seek the truth'' That seems to me like a very conflicting statement. If people did indeed acknowledge that the truth is divine, they wouldn't be looking for it, the bible says that when you get to heaven you will have all your answers, doesn't it? Also a lot of scientists and smart people weren't religious, even at the time that religion and gods were most prominent. They were searching for the truth without the need for religion or gods or acknowledgement of the ''divine''.

Seeking to understand or at least approximate and be worthy of the divine is the universal goal of the religious. The existence or lack thereof of an afterlife is tangential.

A lot of scientists in history were religious and many in more recent times were not religious. However, all of these scientist religious or not operated in a culture where Truth was acknowledge to exist and to be a goal worth seeking. Remove that belief and science starts to break down and become increasingly dysfunctional.

[BADecker]

I don't believe these studies at all, times have changed and the problem is always extremist people. Judging by religions is a mistake at this time. Or are we still living in caverns

You are believing the wrong studies. Time changes, but people don't. All you need to do to see this is look qt people of the past to see that they had heads, arms, hands, feet, legs, torsos, etc. just like we have.

People still live in caves in various parts of the world. If there were an abundance of caves right now in parts of California, people would be living there rather than in the tent cities.


All the skeletons and parts of skeletons of prehistoric man that we have, are so few in number that they could fit on one table. Their differences from modern mankind suggest genetic or other deformities in a few people or animals, rather than evolution. Evolution, including the timeline and formally accepted age of the earth, is a complete fable.

Time for you to start learning what is real, rather than what you want to believe.

''don’t know how many hominin fossils there are in the world. There is no tabulation. The pace of discovery now is too fast to track. Each year for the last decade, anthropologists have unearthed hundreds of fossil specimens from extinct hominin species and populations.

By 2012, the Sima de los Huesos hominin assemblage, near Burgos, Spain, numbered more than 6500 specimens from at least 28 individuals. Many more fossils are recovered in every field season. In South Africa, the Rising Star hominin sample today numbers more than 2000 specimens from at least 18 individuals. This deposit of hominin fossils was completely unknown until 2013. From just two caves, that is nearly 9000 fossil hominin specimens.''

https://medium.com/@johnhawks/how-much-evidence-have-scientists-found-for-human-evolution-355801dfd35c

https://anthropologynet.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/fossil-hominid-skulls.jpg

You can clearly see all the differences.

You can clearly see the differences:

http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/477698726-yellow-cab-work-trip-traffic-light-sidewalk.jpg

https://d2v9y0dukr6mq2.cloudfront.net/video/thumbnail/NW0fQmiOgijpqxr6o/nyc-crowd-street-people-new-york-city-late-1940s-1950s-vintage-film-movie-3549_bumdbgtl__F0000.png

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/gettyimages-907601562.jpg

Your B.S. tables are simply a science fiction story. They are a religion that distracts from reality. They are destroying the health of people simply by getting people to believe in falsehood.

Health and religion.

You can go to museums and check the fossils for yourself unless you are saying all of them are fabricated.

You can't seem to get it through your head that it isn't the existence of fossils that is the point. The point is the interpretation of where they came from and why they exist. The story about the fossils is the fiction, not the fossils themselves.

So what do you think the interpretation is lol, it's quite clear to me. We know they are human fossils and we have found many of them, we can also date them.

We know that some are human fossils. We also know that they some of them could be animal fossils... and, indeed, some have proven to be animal in the past. We know that they could be diseased, mutated malformations of modern man. We know our dating system is very contradictory, and is a accepted as it is by arbitrary decision rather than absolute knowledge that it is even close to accurate. Some people simply choose to believe these things for the sake of choice.

The point is, we have a complete science fiction story about the age of the earth and evolution. When it is believed to be truth, it becomes religion.

The age-old Bible religion - and even Islam - have way better truth than science does with the prehistoric man fictional ideas.

''The point is, we have a complete science fiction story about the age of the earth'' How ironic coming from someone who believes in the bible, science fiction heh.

Science is the new religion on the block. It's has only been around in any strength for about 500 years. Its failures are enormous in how the theories have changed over time. But to make it a strong religion, scientist priests have made failure of theories to be a good thing. They call it the process of discovering new truths. There aren't any new truths. Everything that exists now has always existed in the past in one form or another.

This is an excellent point, many who believe in nothing forget they still believe something, as "the model of nothingness" or "the model of science". You can replace model with religion as it is founded on beliefs.

In that world a teacher or scientist is the priest. Most people take the "accepted reality" or "model of the world" for granted because they belief a priest. Almost none wants the proof, as the priests have performed a magic ritual on an Altar and got direct insights from the gods. Well, except they were in a research facility, not in a church.

The difference is that the experiments performed can be performed again, you can do them yourself if you learn enough about the specific thing the experiment was made for, you can also observe and evaluate the evidence for yourself something that you cannot do as a religious person, the church or bible doesn't offer you any evidence or experiments at all so please, stop it.

How in the world... Never mind.

You can run the numbers for the big bang, and they always come up the same. But there aren't any big bang experiments that can be attached to the supposed real BB with any certainty or accuracy.

Same with black hole theory. Nobody knows if any experiments to create a black hole actually create the outer-space anomaly that we call a black hole, even though the math remains the same.

Same with E=mc². There are scientific operations and math that refute it in the form that it is in as a theory. And we haven't proven it out completely in experimentation.

Same with gravity theory. It doesn't match gravity entirely, and there are parts of it the theory that we don't have a clue about, really.


Now take religion. Take the 10 Commandments, for example. Everybody knows that you are going to have trouble in your life if you murder someone. All you have to do is ask all the people in prison for murder.

And what about dishonoring your parents? Haven't you ever heard of anybody being taken out of the will because he dishonored a parent at the wrong time?

And look at all the people who covet something, and get in trouble because their covetousness of something leads them into a position where they try to swindle it into their own possession.

And that brings up stealing. Look at how many people are in prison or have a troubled life because they were stealing. Consider simple shoplifting stealing and all the trouble it gets kids into.

So, now that you have see a few things of religion that are plain and simple and blatantly out in the open, why won't you believe that the rest of the breaking of the commandments is just as dangerous or more so?... not honoring God above all things, using His name in vain, and not spending time meditating on His word?

Why no experiments in the Bible or the church? Because they both have the answers. There is nothing to experiment about. Some people, however, test out what the Bible says, and it is their experiment when they go against God's Word.

You entirely have things backward as usual.

[BADecker]

I don't believe these studies at all, times have changed and the problem is always extremist people. Judging by religions is a mistake at this time. Or are we still living in caverns

You are believing the wrong studies. Time changes, but people don't. All you need to do to see this is look qt people of the past to see that they had heads, arms, hands, feet, legs, torsos, etc. just like we have.

People still live in caves in various parts of the world. If there were an abundance of caves right now in parts of California, people would be living there rather than in the tent cities.


All the skeletons and parts of skeletons of prehistoric man that we have, are so few in number that they could fit on one table. Their differences from modern mankind suggest genetic or other deformities in a few people or animals, rather than evolution. Evolution, including the timeline and formally accepted age of the earth, is a complete fable.

Time for you to start learning what is real, rather than what you want to believe.

''don’t know how many hominin fossils there are in the world. There is no tabulation. The pace of discovery now is too fast to track. Each year for the last decade, anthropologists have unearthed hundreds of fossil specimens from extinct hominin species and populations.

By 2012, the Sima de los Huesos hominin assemblage, near Burgos, Spain, numbered more than 6500 specimens from at least 28 individuals. Many more fossils are recovered in every field season. In South Africa, the Rising Star hominin sample today numbers more than 2000 specimens from at least 18 individuals. This deposit of hominin fossils was completely unknown until 2013. From just two caves, that is nearly 9000 fossil hominin specimens.''

https://medium.com/@johnhawks/how-much-evidence-have-scientists-found-for-human-evolution-355801dfd35c

https://anthropologynet.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/fossil-hominid-skulls.jpg

You can clearly see all the differences.

You can clearly see the differences:

http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/477698726-yellow-cab-work-trip-traffic-light-sidewalk.jpg

https://d2v9y0dukr6mq2.cloudfront.net/video/thumbnail/NW0fQmiOgijpqxr6o/nyc-crowd-street-people-new-york-city-late-1940s-1950s-vintage-film-movie-3549_bumdbgtl__F0000.png

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/gettyimages-907601562.jpg

Your B.S. tables are simply a science fiction story. They are a religion that distracts from reality. They are destroying the health of people simply by getting people to believe in falsehood.

Health and religion.

You can go to museums and check the fossils for yourself unless you are saying all of them are fabricated.

You can't seem to get it through your head that it isn't the existence of fossils that is the point. The point is the interpretation of where they came from and why they exist. The story about the fossils is the fiction, not the fossils themselves.

So what do you think the interpretation is lol, it's quite clear to me. We know they are human fossils and we have found many of them, we can also date them.

We know that some are human fossils. We also know that they some of them could be animal fossils... and, indeed, some have proven to be animal in the past. We know that they could be diseased, mutated malformations of modern man. We know our dating system is very contradictory, and is a accepted as it is by arbitrary decision rather than absolute knowledge that it is even close to accurate. Some people simply choose to believe these things for the sake of choice.

The point is, we have a complete science fiction story about the age of the earth and evolution. When it is believed to be truth, it becomes religion.

The age-old Bible religion - and even Islam - have way better truth than science does with the prehistoric man fictional ideas.

''The point is, we have a complete science fiction story about the age of the earth'' How ironic coming from someone who believes in the bible, science fiction heh.

Science is the new religion on the block. It's has only been around in any strength for about 500 years. Its failures are enormous in how the theories have changed over time. But to make it a strong religion, scientist priests have made failure of theories to be a good thing. They call it the process of discovering new truths. There aren't any new truths. Everything that exists now has always existed in the past in one form or another.

This is an excellent point, many who believe in nothing forget they still believe something, as "the model of nothingness" or "the model of science". You can replace model with religion as it is founded on beliefs.

In that world a teacher or scientist is the priest. Most people take the "accepted reality" or "model of the world" for granted because they belief a priest. Almost none wants the proof, as the priests have performed a magic ritual on an Altar and got direct insights from the gods. Well, except they were in a research facility, not in a church.

And it becomes even more plain when you study the word religion in detail. For starters, check out the definition of religion at http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t.

[Astargath]

I don't believe these studies at all, times have changed and the problem is always extremist people. Judging by religions is a mistake at this time. Or are we still living in caverns

You are believing the wrong studies. Time changes, but people don't. All you need to do to see this is look qt people of the past to see that they had heads, arms, hands, feet, legs, torsos, etc. just like we have.

People still live in caves in various parts of the world. If there were an abundance of caves right now in parts of California, people would be living there rather than in the tent cities.


All the skeletons and parts of skeletons of prehistoric man that we have, are so few in number that they could fit on one table. Their differences from modern mankind suggest genetic or other deformities in a few people or animals, rather than evolution. Evolution, including the timeline and formally accepted age of the earth, is a complete fable.

Time for you to start learning what is real, rather than what you want to believe.

''don’t know how many hominin fossils there are in the world. There is no tabulation. The pace of discovery now is too fast to track. Each year for the last decade, anthropologists have unearthed hundreds of fossil specimens from extinct hominin species and populations.

By 2012, the Sima de los Huesos hominin assemblage, near Burgos, Spain, numbered more than 6500 specimens from at least 28 individuals. Many more fossils are recovered in every field season. In South Africa, the Rising Star hominin sample today numbers more than 2000 specimens from at least 18 individuals. This deposit of hominin fossils was completely unknown until 2013. From just two caves, that is nearly 9000 fossil hominin specimens.''

https://medium.com/@johnhawks/how-much-evidence-have-scientists-found-for-human-evolution-355801dfd35c

https://anthropologynet.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/fossil-hominid-skulls.jpg

You can clearly see all the differences.

You can clearly see the differences:

http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/477698726-yellow-cab-work-trip-traffic-light-sidewalk.jpg

https://d2v9y0dukr6mq2.cloudfront.net/video/thumbnail/NW0fQmiOgijpqxr6o/nyc-crowd-street-people-new-york-city-late-1940s-1950s-vintage-film-movie-3549_bumdbgtl__F0000.png

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/gettyimages-907601562.jpg

Your B.S. tables are simply a science fiction story. They are a religion that distracts from reality. They are destroying the health of people simply by getting people to believe in falsehood.

Health and religion.

You can go to museums and check the fossils for yourself unless you are saying all of them are fabricated.

You can't seem to get it through your head that it isn't the existence of fossils that is the point. The point is the interpretation of where they came from and why they exist. The story about the fossils is the fiction, not the fossils themselves.

So what do you think the interpretation is lol, it's quite clear to me. We know they are human fossils and we have found many of them, we can also date them.

We know that some are human fossils. We also know that they some of them could be animal fossils... and, indeed, some have proven to be animal in the past. We know that they could be diseased, mutated malformations of modern man. We know our dating system is very contradictory, and is a accepted as it is by arbitrary decision rather than absolute knowledge that it is even close to accurate. Some people simply choose to believe these things for the sake of choice.

The point is, we have a complete science fiction story about the age of the earth and evolution. When it is believed to be truth, it becomes religion.

The age-old Bible religion - and even Islam - have way better truth than science does with the prehistoric man fictional ideas.

''The point is, we have a complete science fiction story about the age of the earth'' How ironic coming from someone who believes in the bible, science fiction heh.

Science is the new religion on the block. It's has only been around in any strength for about 500 years. Its failures are enormous in how the theories have changed over time. But to make it a strong religion, scientist priests have made failure of theories to be a good thing. They call it the process of discovering new truths. There aren't any new truths. Everything that exists now has always existed in the past in one form or another.

This is an excellent point, many who believe in nothing forget they still believe something, as "the model of nothingness" or "the model of science". You can replace model with religion as it is founded on beliefs.

In that world a teacher or scientist is the priest. Most people take the "accepted reality" or "model of the world" for granted because they belief a priest. Almost none wants the proof, as the priests have performed a magic ritual on an Altar and got direct insights from the gods. Well, except they were in a research facility, not in a church.

The difference is that the experiments performed can be performed again, you can do them yourself if you learn enough about the specific thing the experiment was made for, you can also observe and evaluate the evidence for yourself something that you cannot do as a religious person, the church or bible doesn't offer you any evidence or experiments at all so please, stop it.

How in the world... Never mind.

You can run the numbers for the big bang, and they always come up the same. But there aren't any big bang experiments that can be attached to the supposed real BB with any certainty or accuracy.

Same with black hole theory. Nobody knows if any experiments to create a black hole actually create the outer-space anomaly that we call a black hole, even though the math remains the same.

Same with E=mc². There are scientific operations and math that refute it in the form that it is in as a theory. And we haven't proven it out completely in experimentation.

Same with gravity theory. It doesn't match gravity entirely, and there are parts of it the theory that we don't have a clue about, really.


Now take religion. Take the 10 Commandments, for example. Everybody knows that you are going to have trouble in your life if you murder someone. All you have to do is ask all the people in prison for murder.

And what about dishonoring your parents? Haven't you ever heard of anybody being taken out of the will because he dishonored a parent at the wrong time?

And look at all the people who covet something, and get in trouble because their covetousness of something leads them into a position where they try to swindle it into their own possession.

And that brings up stealing. Look at how many people are in prison or have a troubled life because they were stealing. Consider simple shoplifting stealing and all the trouble it gets kids into.

So, now that you have see a few things of religion that are plain and simple and blatantly out in the open, why won't you believe that the rest of the breaking of the commandments is just as dangerous or more so?... not honoring God above all things, using His name in vain, and not spending time meditating on His word?

Why no experiments in the Bible or the church? Because they both have the answers. There is nothing to experiment about. Some people, however, test out what the Bible says, and it is their experiment when they go against God's Word.

You entirely have things backward as usual.

And yet there is no math to show god exists, is it? Yeah, everybody knows that working on the sabbath means death, am I right?  ''For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a day of sabbath rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it is to be put to death.''

''Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation; and they put him in custody because it had not been declared what should be done to him. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, just as the Lord had commanded Moses''

You shall not make idols, ok, god? You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain. Damn, can I do anything in this religion without getting killed? These are the values the bible teaches. They claim to have answers but they have no evidence and you chose to believe them blindly because you can't use your own brain.

[HelperAdvisorsLLP]

There are many healthy people who don't believe in God, so I think there is no connection

[BADecker]

I don't believe these studies at all, times have changed and the problem is always extremist people. Judging by religions is a mistake at this time. Or are we still living in caverns

You are believing the wrong studies. Time changes, but people don't. All you need to do to see this is look qt people of the past to see that they had heads, arms, hands, feet, legs, torsos, etc. just like we have.

People still live in caves in various parts of the world. If there were an abundance of caves right now in parts of California, people would be living there rather than in the tent cities.


All the skeletons and parts of skeletons of prehistoric man that we have, are so few in number that they could fit on one table. Their differences from modern mankind suggest genetic or other deformities in a few people or animals, rather than evolution. Evolution, including the timeline and formally accepted age of the earth, is a complete fable.

Time for you to start learning what is real, rather than what you want to believe.

''don’t know how many hominin fossils there are in the world. There is no tabulation. The pace of discovery now is too fast to track. Each year for the last decade, anthropologists have unearthed hundreds of fossil specimens from extinct hominin species and populations.

By 2012, the Sima de los Huesos hominin assemblage, near Burgos, Spain, numbered more than 6500 specimens from at least 28 individuals. Many more fossils are recovered in every field season. In South Africa, the Rising Star hominin sample today numbers more than 2000 specimens from at least 18 individuals. This deposit of hominin fossils was completely unknown until 2013. From just two caves, that is nearly 9000 fossil hominin specimens.''

https://medium.com/@johnhawks/how-much-evidence-have-scientists-found-for-human-evolution-355801dfd35c

https://anthropologynet.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/fossil-hominid-skulls.jpg

You can clearly see all the differences.

You can clearly see the differences:

http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/477698726-yellow-cab-work-trip-traffic-light-sidewalk.jpg

https://d2v9y0dukr6mq2.cloudfront.net/video/thumbnail/NW0fQmiOgijpqxr6o/nyc-crowd-street-people-new-york-city-late-1940s-1950s-vintage-film-movie-3549_bumdbgtl__F0000.png

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/gettyimages-907601562.jpg

Your B.S. tables are simply a science fiction story. They are a religion that distracts from reality. They are destroying the health of people simply by getting people to believe in falsehood.

Health and religion.

You can go to museums and check the fossils for yourself unless you are saying all of them are fabricated.

You can't seem to get it through your head that it isn't the existence of fossils that is the point. The point is the interpretation of where they came from and why they exist. The story about the fossils is the fiction, not the fossils themselves.

So what do you think the interpretation is lol, it's quite clear to me. We know they are human fossils and we have found many of them, we can also date them.

We know that some are human fossils. We also know that they some of them could be animal fossils... and, indeed, some have proven to be animal in the past. We know that they could be diseased, mutated malformations of modern man. We know our dating system is very contradictory, and is a accepted as it is by arbitrary decision rather than absolute knowledge that it is even close to accurate. Some people simply choose to believe these things for the sake of choice.

The point is, we have a complete science fiction story about the age of the earth and evolution. When it is believed to be truth, it becomes religion.

The age-old Bible religion - and even Islam - have way better truth than science does with the prehistoric man fictional ideas.

''The point is, we have a complete science fiction story about the age of the earth'' How ironic coming from someone who believes in the bible, science fiction heh.

Science is the new religion on the block. It's has only been around in any strength for about 500 years. Its failures are enormous in how the theories have changed over time. But to make it a strong religion, scientist priests have made failure of theories to be a good thing. They call it the process of discovering new truths. There aren't any new truths. Everything that exists now has always existed in the past in one form or another.

This is an excellent point, many who believe in nothing forget they still believe something, as "the model of nothingness" or "the model of science". You can replace model with religion as it is founded on beliefs.

In that world a teacher or scientist is the priest. Most people take the "accepted reality" or "model of the world" for granted because they belief a priest. Almost none wants the proof, as the priests have performed a magic ritual on an Altar and got direct insights from the gods. Well, except they were in a research facility, not in a church.

The difference is that the experiments performed can be performed again, you can do them yourself if you learn enough about the specific thing the experiment was made for, you can also observe and evaluate the evidence for yourself something that you cannot do as a religious person, the church or bible doesn't offer you any evidence or experiments at all so please, stop it.

How in the world... Never mind.

You can run the numbers for the big bang, and they always come up the same. But there aren't any big bang experiments that can be attached to the supposed real BB with any certainty or accuracy.

Same with black hole theory. Nobody knows if any experiments to create a black hole actually create the outer-space anomaly that we call a black hole, even though the math remains the same.

Same with E=mc². There are scientific operations and math that refute it in the form that it is in as a theory. And we haven't proven it out completely in experimentation.

Same with gravity theory. It doesn't match gravity entirely, and there are parts of it the theory that we don't have a clue about, really.


Now take religion. Take the 10 Commandments, for example. Everybody knows that you are going to have trouble in your life if you murder someone. All you have to do is ask all the people in prison for murder.

And what about dishonoring your parents? Haven't you ever heard of anybody being taken out of the will because he dishonored a parent at the wrong time?

And look at all the people who covet something, and get in trouble because their covetousness of something leads them into a position where they try to swindle it into their own possession.

And that brings up stealing. Look at how many people are in prison or have a troubled life because they were stealing. Consider simple shoplifting stealing and all the trouble it gets kids into.

So, now that you have see a few things of religion that are plain and simple and blatantly out in the open, why won't you believe that the rest of the breaking of the commandments is just as dangerous or more so?... not honoring God above all things, using His name in vain, and not spending time meditating on His word?

Why no experiments in the Bible or the church? Because they both have the answers. There is nothing to experiment about. Some people, however, test out what the Bible says, and it is their experiment when they go against God's Word.

You entirely have things backward as usual.

And yet there is no math to show god exists, is it? Yeah, everybody knows that working on the sabbath means death, am I right?  ''For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a day of sabbath rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it is to be put to death.''

''Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation; and they put him in custody because it had not been declared what should be done to him. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, just as the Lord had commanded Moses''

You shall not make idols, ok, god? You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain. Damn, can I do anything in this religion without getting killed? These are the values the bible teaches. They claim to have answers but they have no evidence and you chose to believe them blindly because you can't use your own brain.

Math is a language of man. Man is induced to do every math thing (and everything else) that he does, through cause and effect. God is the director of C&E. All math shows that God exists.

The answers are right where I told you in my post you quoted. But you have to think a little, to understand. Not just blab.

Take murder, for example. Does a murderer get grief in his life? Yes! Does he get the grief even if he never heard of the commandment to not murder? Yes! How much plainer can you get? Religion is full of life examples that are realities. Science theory might have a lot of evidence this way or that, but it is not known to be factual at all, because it can be upgraded. Murder isn't ever upgraded into something that everybody accepts.

When are you going to learn how to think? You use language that suggests that you can think. Do you look like someone who is smart enough to think? When are you going to be able to think? Or are you close to pure troll?

[BADecker]

There are many healthy people who don't believe in God, so I think there is no connection

Everybody believes in God. It's just that some people don't know that they believe in God. Either way, however, that doesn't keep God from giving His gifts. And just think how much healthier a healthy unbeliever might become if he became a believer.

[Astargath]

I don't believe these studies at all, times have changed and the problem is always extremist people. Judging by religions is a mistake at this time. Or are we still living in caverns

You are believing the wrong studies. Time changes, but people don't. All you need to do to see this is look qt people of the past to see that they had heads, arms, hands, feet, legs, torsos, etc. just like we have.

People still live in caves in various parts of the world. If there were an abundance of caves right now in parts of California, people would be living there rather than in the tent cities.


All the skeletons and parts of skeletons of prehistoric man that we have, are so few in number that they could fit on one table. Their differences from modern mankind suggest genetic or other deformities in a few people or animals, rather than evolution. Evolution, including the timeline and formally accepted age of the earth, is a complete fable.

Time for you to start learning what is real, rather than what you want to believe.

''don’t know how many hominin fossils there are in the world. There is no tabulation. The pace of discovery now is too fast to track. Each year for the last decade, anthropologists have unearthed hundreds of fossil specimens from extinct hominin species and populations.

By 2012, the Sima de los Huesos hominin assemblage, near Burgos, Spain, numbered more than 6500 specimens from at least 28 individuals. Many more fossils are recovered in every field season. In South Africa, the Rising Star hominin sample today numbers more than 2000 specimens from at least 18 individuals. This deposit of hominin fossils was completely unknown until 2013. From just two caves, that is nearly 9000 fossil hominin specimens.''

https://medium.com/@johnhawks/how-much-evidence-have-scientists-found-for-human-evolution-355801dfd35c

https://anthropologynet.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/fossil-hominid-skulls.jpg

You can clearly see all the differences.

You can clearly see the differences:

http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/477698726-yellow-cab-work-trip-traffic-light-sidewalk.jpg

https://d2v9y0dukr6mq2.cloudfront.net/video/thumbnail/NW0fQmiOgijpqxr6o/nyc-crowd-street-people-new-york-city-late-1940s-1950s-vintage-film-movie-3549_bumdbgtl__F0000.png

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/gettyimages-907601562.jpg

Your B.S. tables are simply a science fiction story. They are a religion that distracts from reality. They are destroying the health of people simply by getting people to believe in falsehood.

Health and religion.

You can go to museums and check the fossils for yourself unless you are saying all of them are fabricated.

You can't seem to get it through your head that it isn't the existence of fossils that is the point. The point is the interpretation of where they came from and why they exist. The story about the fossils is the fiction, not the fossils themselves.

So what do you think the interpretation is lol, it's quite clear to me. We know they are human fossils and we have found many of them, we can also date them.

We know that some are human fossils. We also know that they some of them could be animal fossils... and, indeed, some have proven to be animal in the past. We know that they could be diseased, mutated malformations of modern man. We know our dating system is very contradictory, and is a accepted as it is by arbitrary decision rather than absolute knowledge that it is even close to accurate. Some people simply choose to believe these things for the sake of choice.

The point is, we have a complete science fiction story about the age of the earth and evolution. When it is believed to be truth, it becomes religion.

The age-old Bible religion - and even Islam - have way better truth than science does with the prehistoric man fictional ideas.

''The point is, we have a complete science fiction story about the age of the earth'' How ironic coming from someone who believes in the bible, science fiction heh.

Science is the new religion on the block. It's has only been around in any strength for about 500 years. Its failures are enormous in how the theories have changed over time. But to make it a strong religion, scientist priests have made failure of theories to be a good thing. They call it the process of discovering new truths. There aren't any new truths. Everything that exists now has always existed in the past in one form or another.

This is an excellent point, many who believe in nothing forget they still believe something, as "the model of nothingness" or "the model of science". You can replace model with religion as it is founded on beliefs.

In that world a teacher or scientist is the priest. Most people take the "accepted reality" or "model of the world" for granted because they belief a priest. Almost none wants the proof, as the priests have performed a magic ritual on an Altar and got direct insights from the gods. Well, except they were in a research facility, not in a church.

The difference is that the experiments performed can be performed again, you can do them yourself if you learn enough about the specific thing the experiment was made for, you can also observe and evaluate the evidence for yourself something that you cannot do as a religious person, the church or bible doesn't offer you any evidence or experiments at all so please, stop it.

How in the world... Never mind.

You can run the numbers for the big bang, and they always come up the same. But there aren't any big bang experiments that can be attached to the supposed real BB with any certainty or accuracy.

Same with black hole theory. Nobody knows if any experiments to create a black hole actually create the outer-space anomaly that we call a black hole, even though the math remains the same.

Same with E=mc². There are scientific operations and math that refute it in the form that it is in as a theory. And we haven't proven it out completely in experimentation.

Same with gravity theory. It doesn't match gravity entirely, and there are parts of it the theory that we don't have a clue about, really.


Now take religion. Take the 10 Commandments, for example. Everybody knows that you are going to have trouble in your life if you murder someone. All you have to do is ask all the people in prison for murder.

And what about dishonoring your parents? Haven't you ever heard of anybody being taken out of the will because he dishonored a parent at the wrong time?

And look at all the people who covet something, and get in trouble because their covetousness of something leads them into a position where they try to swindle it into their own possession.

And that brings up stealing. Look at how many people are in prison or have a troubled life because they were stealing. Consider simple shoplifting stealing and all the trouble it gets kids into.

So, now that you have see a few things of religion that are plain and simple and blatantly out in the open, why won't you believe that the rest of the breaking of the commandments is just as dangerous or more so?... not honoring God above all things, using His name in vain, and not spending time meditating on His word?

Why no experiments in the Bible or the church? Because they both have the answers. There is nothing to experiment about. Some people, however, test out what the Bible says, and it is their experiment when they go against God's Word.

You entirely have things backward as usual.

And yet there is no math to show god exists, is it? Yeah, everybody knows that working on the sabbath means death, am I right?  ''For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a day of sabbath rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it is to be put to death.''

''Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation; and they put him in custody because it had not been declared what should be done to him. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, just as the Lord had commanded Moses''

You shall not make idols, ok, god? You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain. Damn, can I do anything in this religion without getting killed? These are the values the bible teaches. They claim to have answers but they have no evidence and you chose to believe them blindly because you can't use your own brain.

Math is a language of man. Man is induced to do every math thing (and everything else) that he does, through cause and effect. God is the director of C&E. All math shows that God exists.

The answers are right where I told you in my post you quoted. But you have to think a little, to understand. Not just blab.

Take murder, for example. Does a murderer get grief in his life? Yes! Does he get the grief even if he never heard of the commandment to not murder? Yes! How much plainer can you get? Religion is full of life examples that are realities. Science theory might have a lot of evidence this way or that, but it is not known to be factual at all, because it can be upgraded. Murder isn't ever upgraded into something that everybody accepts.

When are you going to learn how to think? You use language that suggests that you can think. Do you look like someone who is smart enough to think? When are you going to be able to think? Or are you close to pure troll?

And yet the bible also says ''For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a day of sabbath rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it is to be put to death.'' Quite a contradictory book, it says to not kill but then it says to kill, heh.

[BADecker]

I don't believe these studies at all, times have changed and the problem is always extremist people. Judging by religions is a mistake at this time. Or are we still living in caverns

You are believing the wrong studies. Time changes, but people don't. All you need to do to see this is look qt people of the past to see that they had heads, arms, hands, feet, legs, torsos, etc. just like we have.

People still live in caves in various parts of the world. If there were an abundance of caves right now in parts of California, people would be living there rather than in the tent cities.


All the skeletons and parts of skeletons of prehistoric man that we have, are so few in number that they could fit on one table. Their differences from modern mankind suggest genetic or other deformities in a few people or animals, rather than evolution. Evolution, including the timeline and formally accepted age of the earth, is a complete fable.

Time for you to start learning what is real, rather than what you want to believe.

''don’t know how many hominin fossils there are in the world. There is no tabulation. The pace of discovery now is too fast to track. Each year for the last decade, anthropologists have unearthed hundreds of fossil specimens from extinct hominin species and populations.

By 2012, the Sima de los Huesos hominin assemblage, near Burgos, Spain, numbered more than 6500 specimens from at least 28 individuals. Many more fossils are recovered in every field season. In South Africa, the Rising Star hominin sample today numbers more than 2000 specimens from at least 18 individuals. This deposit of hominin fossils was completely unknown until 2013. From just two caves, that is nearly 9000 fossil hominin specimens.''

https://medium.com/@johnhawks/how-much-evidence-have-scientists-found-for-human-evolution-355801dfd35c

https://anthropologynet.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/fossil-hominid-skulls.jpg

You can clearly see all the differences.

You can clearly see the differences:

http://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/qf/477698726-yellow-cab-work-trip-traffic-light-sidewalk.jpg

https://d2v9y0dukr6mq2.cloudfront.net/video/thumbnail/NW0fQmiOgijpqxr6o/nyc-crowd-street-people-new-york-city-late-1940s-1950s-vintage-film-movie-3549_bumdbgtl__F0000.png

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/gettyimages-907601562.jpg

Your B.S. tables are simply a science fiction story. They are a religion that distracts from reality. They are destroying the health of people simply by getting people to believe in falsehood.

Health and religion.

You can go to museums and check the fossils for yourself unless you are saying all of them are fabricated.

You can't seem to get it through your head that it isn't the existence of fossils that is the point. The point is the interpretation of where they came from and why they exist. The story about the fossils is the fiction, not the fossils themselves.

So what do you think the interpretation is lol, it's quite clear to me. We know they are human fossils and we have found many of them, we can also date them.

We know that some are human fossils. We also know that they some of them could be animal fossils... and, indeed, some have proven to be animal in the past. We know that they could be diseased, mutated malformations of modern man. We know our dating system is very contradictory, and is a accepted as it is by arbitrary decision rather than absolute knowledge that it is even close to accurate. Some people simply choose to believe these things for the sake of choice.

The point is, we have a complete science fiction story about the age of the earth and evolution. When it is believed to be truth, it becomes religion.

The age-old Bible religion - and even Islam - have way better truth than science does with the prehistoric man fictional ideas.

''The point is, we have a complete science fiction story about the age of the earth'' How ironic coming from someone who believes in the bible, science fiction heh.

Science is the new religion on the block. It's has only been around in any strength for about 500 years. Its failures are enormous in how the theories have changed over time. But to make it a strong religion, scientist priests have made failure of theories to be a good thing. They call it the process of discovering new truths. There aren't any new truths. Everything that exists now has always existed in the past in one form or another.

This is an excellent point, many who believe in nothing forget they still believe something, as "the model of nothingness" or "the model of science". You can replace model with religion as it is founded on beliefs.

In that world a teacher or scientist is the priest. Most people take the "accepted reality" or "model of the world" for granted because they belief a priest. Almost none wants the proof, as the priests have performed a magic ritual on an Altar and got direct insights from the gods. Well, except they were in a research facility, not in a church.

The difference is that the experiments performed can be performed again, you can do them yourself if you learn enough about the specific thing the experiment was made for, you can also observe and evaluate the evidence for yourself something that you cannot do as a religious person, the church or bible doesn't offer you any evidence or experiments at all so please, stop it.

How in the world... Never mind.

You can run the numbers for the big bang, and they always come up the same. But there aren't any big bang experiments that can be attached to the supposed real BB with any certainty or accuracy.

Same with black hole theory. Nobody knows if any experiments to create a black hole actually create the outer-space anomaly that we call a black hole, even though the math remains the same.

Same with E=mc². There are scientific operations and math that refute it in the form that it is in as a theory. And we haven't proven it out completely in experimentation.

Same with gravity theory. It doesn't match gravity entirely, and there are parts of it the theory that we don't have a clue about, really.


Now take religion. Take the 10 Commandments, for example. Everybody knows that you are going to have trouble in your life if you murder someone. All you have to do is ask all the people in prison for murder.

And what about dishonoring your parents? Haven't you ever heard of anybody being taken out of the will because he dishonored a parent at the wrong time?

And look at all the people who covet something, and get in trouble because their covetousness of something leads them into a position where they try to swindle it into their own possession.

And that brings up stealing. Look at how many people are in prison or have a troubled life because they were stealing. Consider simple shoplifting stealing and all the trouble it gets kids into.

So, now that you have see a few things of religion that are plain and simple and blatantly out in the open, why won't you believe that the rest of the breaking of the commandments is just as dangerous or more so?... not honoring God above all things, using His name in vain, and not spending time meditating on His word?

Why no experiments in the Bible or the church? Because they both have the answers. There is nothing to experiment about. Some people, however, test out what the Bible says, and it is their experiment when they go against God's Word.

You entirely have things backward as usual.

And yet there is no math to show god exists, is it? Yeah, everybody knows that working on the sabbath means death, am I right?  ''For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a day of sabbath rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it is to be put to death.''

''Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation; and they put him in custody because it had not been declared what should be done to him. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, just as the Lord had commanded Moses''

You shall not make idols, ok, god? You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain. Damn, can I do anything in this religion without getting killed? These are the values the bible teaches. They claim to have answers but they have no evidence and you chose to believe them blindly because you can't use your own brain.

Math is a language of man. Man is induced to do every math thing (and everything else) that he does, through cause and effect. God is the director of C&E. All math shows that God exists.

The answers are right where I told you in my post you quoted. But you have to think a little, to understand. Not just blab.

Take murder, for example. Does a murderer get grief in his life? Yes! Does he get the grief even if he never heard of the commandment to not murder? Yes! How much plainer can you get? Religion is full of life examples that are realities. Science theory might have a lot of evidence this way or that, but it is not known to be factual at all, because it can be upgraded. Murder isn't ever upgraded into something that everybody accepts.

When are you going to learn how to think? You use language that suggests that you can think. Do you look like someone who is smart enough to think? When are you going to be able to think? Or are you close to pure troll?

And yet the bible also says ''For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a day of sabbath rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it is to be put to death.'' Quite a contradictory book, it says to not kill but then it says to kill, heh.

Not contradictory at all. You simply fail to take the time to see what is really going on. The word "kill" is an old translation from the Hebrew. The translation should really be "murder." And, it is relation to the individual. "Put to death" is execution by Government. Big difference.

[BADecker]

And yet the bible also says ''For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a day of sabbath rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it is to be put to death.'' Quite a contradictory book, it says to not kill but then it says to kill, heh.

Besides, the sense of the Bible has way outlasted your foolishness. Even the foolish religion of Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn ʿAbd al-Muṭṭalib ibn Hāshim will way outlast yours.

[Astargath]

And yet the bible also says ''For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a day of sabbath rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it is to be put to death.'' Quite a contradictory book, it says to not kill but then it says to kill, heh.

Besides, the sense of the Bible has way outlasted your foolishness. Even the foolish religion of Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn ʿAbd al-Muṭṭalib ibn Hāshim will way outlast yours.

So you agree that we should be murdering anyone who works on the sabbath, right?

[CoinCube]

So you agree that we should be murdering anyone who works on the sabbath, right?

If your goal is to honestly analyze to then you have to consider the context.

You cited (Numbers 15:32-36) where a man is put to death for working on the sabbath.

From the Biblical timeline we can conclude that this man was likely among the originals who followed Moses out of Egypt. He was thus not only a direct witness to several miracles he heard the voice of God directly at Mt. Sinai.

The problem was that this man was deliberately and flagrantly working in the open on the Sabbath day when God had directly manifested himself and commanded that no work be done on the Sabbath. This was a direct challenge to God's authority.

Apparently, this was the first public offense against the newly revealed law of God. It was, essentially, being tested. Therefore, the severity of the punishment was to demonstrate to all of Israel the necessity of obeying the Law of God.

To further add further context from a Christian tradition we have to consider the following.

Matthew 12:11-12
He said to them, “Which one of you who has a sheep, if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not take hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”

Mark 2:27-28  
And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

Combining all of these threads what is the overall message. I think it is a warning. The simple factual based observation that if we fail to strengthen, maintain, and transmit our faith and cultural roots things will go very badly for us..

How much of our time must be dedicated to ensure we succeed in sustaining ourselves and our foundations? Perhaps one seventh especially with regards to the most difficult portion of our duties successfully passing respect for God to the next generation..

[BADecker]

And yet the bible also says ''For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a day of sabbath rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it is to be put to death.'' Quite a contradictory book, it says to not kill but then it says to kill, heh.

Besides, the sense of the Bible has way outlasted your foolishness. Even the foolish religion of Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn ʿAbd al-Muṭṭalib ibn Hāshim will way outlast yours.

So you agree that we should be murdering anyone who works on the sabbath, right?

So you agree that you are ignorant or a troll or both.