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2641  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Electrical Question Please on: August 11, 2017, 05:33:08 PM
Thanks you all for your input.
QuintLeo and fuzzywarm do you have donation address? so i can drop something in there wont be big.... im a newbie Smiley


 Nope, don't have one - it's more about "pay forward" and the warm fuzzies of being able to teach someone something anyway.

 9-)

2642  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmain drops price of D3 for second batch by $1100. WTF on: August 11, 2017, 05:28:40 PM
This might be why. Drx100 pinidea 8.7k


 Not even competition for the Innosilicon A5 at THAT crazy-high price.

 If Pinidea expects to sell many of those, they need to drop the price WELL under 1 bitcoin.


 I would bet that Bitmain was looking a LOT more at the DM22G as it's actual competition - depending on what that actually ends up selling for.

 That D3 batch this morning was cryptocoin-only per Bitmain's twitter announcement, NO wire transfer option - and I suspect they are likely to move away from the whole wire transfer thing due to issues they've had with "order but no payment" tying up machines that were supposedly SOLD for too long.

2643  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: first bitmain antminer S10 speculation thread (probably) on: August 11, 2017, 05:25:01 PM
Bitmain does not have a high demand for S9, if they are thinking of bringing in an S10, they had better sell at a reasonable price. Miners are not making profit like before, buying an expensive rig is the last thing they want to do.

 They may not have AS HIGH of demand for the S9 as they did in the first 3 months, but they STILL sell out every batch in a day or two when they release one.
 Sure seems like the demand is still high.

2644  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: BITMAIN SITE DOWN WTF?!?! on: August 11, 2017, 05:22:33 PM
Tomorow will be a new sale

 And they were gone fast again.

2645  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: WHAT WILL DASH DIFFICULTY BE NOVEMBER 2017 on: August 11, 2017, 05:18:25 PM

 Is there a link on the actual Pinidea web site to a new miner?


https://shop.pinidea.io/index.php/product/asic-x11-miner-dr-100/

Pinidea.io is their official site. Is legit unfortunately.  8.7k though..

 Yeah that's official enough for me - and they're priced almost as bad as the Innosilicon A5 for a LOT worse performance and efficiency.

 They're going to have to drop the price down under 1 Bitcoin if they expect any sales at THIS point.

 I also have to wonder if ANYTHING is going to be able to achieve ROI except the IBeLink DM11G and possibly the FIRST D3 batch....


2646  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Help - Power Cord getting hot and melting on: August 11, 2017, 05:14:54 PM
Check the Amperage of your socket and your power cord and compare it to the total power consumption of your build. E.g., if the Amperage of the power cord and socket is 16A, they can hold 3.5kW (given the Voltage of your socket is 220 Volts), if their Amperage is 25A, they can withhold 5.5kW, if it's a mere 10A, we're talking about 2.2kW max.

 OP stated 110 volts in their first post.

2647  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Biostar teasing motherboard with 104 USB risers support for mining on: August 10, 2017, 11:31:37 AM
USB PORTS not PCI-E ports - can't viably run GPUs from those slots anyway on a practical basis.

 This is NOT intended for "mining" usage, except perhaps for BURST or one of the "distributed storage" type coins like STORJ.

2648  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: BITMAIN SITE DOWN WTF?!?! on: August 10, 2017, 11:28:00 AM
They were intermittant down starting about 25 mins before "sale time" of the most recent D3 batch, while doing website changes for that sale.
They went full down about 10 mins before, came back up 15-20 mins after the announced time.

 No need to bother with a thread about it at this point.

2649  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Why is Wattman not restoring OC settings after reboot? on: August 10, 2017, 11:24:28 AM
Why do you say you can't use Afterburner with AMD cards?

 Works FINE with mine, where I have AMD cards on Windows systems - and INFINITELY better than that joke called Wattman.

2650  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: WHAT WILL DASH DIFFICULTY BE NOVEMBER 2017 on: August 10, 2017, 11:23:25 AM
I have seen an estimate (that seems believeable based on batch sizes for the L3+ and relative chip counts) that there are about 7000 of the D3 sold so far.

 AKA over 100 THash for those ALONE - then add in the IBeLink DM11G units that were sold AND ARE SHIPPING - I'd bet on DASH network hashrate pushing close to 150 TH/s by the end of October when all of the D3 units that have been SOLD so far are shipped and running.

 Is there a link on the actual Pinidea web site to a new miner?
 I've seen rumours a couple times before but the only links I have seen TO DATE were to scam websites.


 Also have to wonder how many A5 units Innosilicon has managed to sell - though with CURRENT D3 pricing I'd bet the A5 sales have pretty much died for the time being.



 ALL ASIC that have been released for "DASH" mine X11 - so they work on ANY X11 coin. The Baikal units also support X13/X15/qubit/2 or 3 other algos so I have a feeling a lot of those miners are going to end up moving OUT of X11 by the end of the year as they probably won't be able to mine X11 coins at a profit any more except on FREE electric.
2651  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: plz report hashrate from old cards on: August 10, 2017, 11:17:13 AM
hi
can you report nowadays your ehter hashrate of the old cards like

280x
280
290
380
7970
gtx 970
etc

 R9 290 with TheStilt bios, bit over 29 Mhash/sec as of when I last had any on ETH mining (late last week) at 1100/1250. To be picky, 3 in the machine at a total of usually 88.something

 I remember my R9 280x cards doing around 14 Mh/s but it's been months since they've been on ETH, they were MUCH better off on ZEC - ballpark 300 sol/s I think, but that was months ago and they've been doing other projects since.

 GTX 9xx series - don't bother, they're better off on almost ANYTHING but ETH, even if they are 3GB or higher VRAM cards so they CAN mine ETH at all.
 Aim them at something like lbry or lyra2rev2 that older NVidia cards are good at - perhaps even Monero (XMR) and possibly ZEC in a pinch.

 HD 7870 was about a 10 Mhash/sec card before the DAG file got too big for it's 2 GB of VRAM. Ballpark 160 sol/sec on ZEC but I don't think I ever got them fully ZEC optimised.


2652  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: How do you start a rig without a power button? on: August 10, 2017, 09:45:18 AM
Power supplies usually have a power switch (commonly right by input power cable socket).
Set your BIOS so that the machine will start on power on then use THAT switch.

 Some motherboards have a power switch ON the motherboard (ASRock 970 Extreme4 as an example) though that doesn't seem to be a common thing.

 I've never had a motherboard die due to using a screwdriver on the power on pins - they're NOT normally a high impedence input connection subject to static issues - but I won't say it's impossible, and you CAN short stuff out that WILL kill the motherboard if the screwdriver slips at a bad point and hits the wrong spot.


 I recommend using a shorting block instead of a screwdriver, if you can't get one of the other options already mentioned to work.




2653  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Bitcoin Price going up = Profitable to mine again? on: August 10, 2017, 09:38:58 AM
Profitability is up some on Bitcoin mining - not to it's all-time high, but better than any time in the last month or so.
It's not been UNPROFITABLE if you have very very low electric cost at ANY point in the last several years, you just had to work the numbers on if upgrading your miners was going to cost more than the return (and even THEN good timing and proper "due dilligence" would have kept you able to achieve 100%+ ROI at any point in the last several years).



 Total network hashrate DOES reflect price changes - eventually - but there's always a lag since it takes time to buy enough miners to match a price jump (especially in these days of S9 dominance when Bitmain CAN'T MAKE ENOUGH of the things to keep up with the demand).

2654  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Launching the Antminer L3+, World's Most Powerful and Efficient Litecoin Miner on: August 10, 2017, 09:34:38 AM
Still listed at 40 LTC and "out of stock" now that their fumblings of the "new D3 batch" website changes have finished up.

 I don't expect them to sell a L5 model for a while - they seem to be having a hard enough time comming up with enough chips to sell all the L3+ models they want to, and it's a LONG way from saturating the market at this point since it blows away the only competiton (the Innosilicon A4) pretty badly on performance (though the A4 DOES seem to win on reliability).

 Keep in mind that even if Litecoin current network hashrate DOUBLES (which will take most of a year at the rate Bitmain and Innosilicon have been selling miners since the A4 and L3 came about) it's still going to leave the next OLDER generation (A2, Titan, Alcheminer) highly profitable if your electric rate is low, leaving PLENTY of room for more sales of the newer stuff.


 There's also the point that the L3+ is already on the CURRENT semiconductor tech node, so it CAN'T be significantly upgraded in performance for another couple years ballpark - the A4 seems to have some room for improvement as it doesn't appear to be a fully optimised 14/16nm design, but even then an "upgraded" version isn't going to be able to do a TON better than the L3+ unless Innosilocon goes with a LOT more chips to compensate for running them at lower voltages for better efficiency (reference the Ibelink DM22G vs the DM11G for an EXAMPLE, or the Antminer S9 vs the T9 for a less extreme example).



 Bitmain has traditionally used even number models for BIG RACK MOUNT miners - but they seem to have abandoned that concept in the last couple years, probably because their SMALL miners are pushing the most you can put on a single circuit in one of their bigger markets AND the limits of available power supplies for MOST of their markets.

2655  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Any word on amd vega hash rates? on: August 10, 2017, 09:22:05 AM
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ALL FOUNDRIES THAT CAN MAKE CURRENT MODEL GPUs RUNNING AT 100%
- knowing the possibility of orders and not expanding manufacturing capabilities, is plain stupid. To my opinion, the expectations certainly were lower than reality due to high miners demand, but... no admin will wait with server upgrade until one of the resource will be loaded 100% all the time, same thing with any business, one need to understand capabilities and expand as needed, not wait until bottleneck becomes a serious problem. Business is loosing revenue. Another example if you get sick, you dont wait until you will be walking dead, you start treatment as soon as you know you are sick - right? Just my opinion, a better planning will help to remedy. I dont know details about silicon fabs loads, but i dont think they were prepped well - amd is not the only product they manufacture, so i bet they can allocate resources more efficiently, there musts be something else involved besides manufacturing capabilities... (money?) Time to sleep now...

Modern fabs always run at 100% capacity. They allocate production capacity years in advance and logistics is top-notch. Simply state of the art, no doubt about it.


 They might allocate some production to certain manufacturers for years in advance (AMD and Global Foundries long-term agreement, as modified usually once a year, is a good example of that) but a lot of it is only allocated months in advance.
 Still makes it hard to get additional capacity QUICKLY when you have a suddenly hot product with NO warning it's going to turn crazy-popular ahead of time.

 The big issue for the FOUNDRIES is the massive lead time TO expand their production - and the massive COST on recent production nodes - makes them hesitant to expand based on "speculation" when they don't have fairly firm contracts in hand AHEAD OF TIME to fill a newly-built production line.

 This then hits the manufacturers that USE the foundry if they do have a sudden demand spike.

 Keep in mind the TSMC was ALREADY full up, and NVidia had to go to Samsung to make their GTX 1050/1050ti models BECAUSE TSMC DIDN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY AVAILABLE - and that was BEFORE the big crypto-craze of 2017 hit.

 AMD has the advantage of their "locked in priority access" to a large chunk of the capacity of GF - but they also have Ryzen being made on the same node and selling VERY well, NOT just certain of their GPU models....


 Both AMD and NVidia have to be carefull about "after the crash" too, if they sell TOO MANY right now their sales DIE (probably early next year, possibly a bit longer) when the GPU mining CRASH hits and all of a sudden there are a ton of used cards on sale CHEAP killing their market for quite a while on NEW card sales.



 The renewed rise in ETH price the last few days isn't going to help these calculations, though it certainly helps those that are MINING ETH already it will probably also fuel a renewed "new rig construction" boom just extending the "issue" from the point of view of the GPU chip makers, their allied card makers, and gamers (the LONG TERM and BIGGEST market for mid-to-high-end GPUs) and making the eventual "crash glut" even BIGGER.



2656  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmain looks like they're releasing a 15GH/s DASH miner called the AntMiner D3 on: August 10, 2017, 02:02:55 AM
For perspective - Bitmain has sold probably about 20,000 L3 and L3+ units COMBINED - in many batches since they introduced the L3.

 There is NO BLOODY WAY they sold 35 THOUSAND D3 units in a single batch, though 35 HUNDRED seems like a reasonable number.


 With that said, 7000 (ballpark) D3 units sold, PLUS the influx already happening of DM11G units, plus however many A5's get shipped, is going to HAMMER X11 profitability by the end of October.

 For perspective, in mid-July, the TOTAL DASH NETWORK HASHRATE (DASH is easily the majority of all X11 hashrate) was equal to ballpark *400* D3 units - and the DM11G units do NOT appear to have been shipping at that point.....

2657  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Any word on amd vega hash rates? on: August 10, 2017, 01:58:25 AM
AMD having had an experience of card shortages worldwide should of have been prepared for vega release

 AMD stated that one of the reasons they have delayed the release of the RX Vega was to make sure they HAD enough stock to get through the first few days without sellout issues.

 It's not their business model that is causing widespread shortages of the other RX series cards, it's "HUGH UNEXPECTED DEMAND OUT OF NOWHERE" due to the cryptocoin price explosion this spring coupled with ALL FOUNDRIES THAT CAN MAKE CURRENT MODEL GPUs RUNNING AT 100% CAPACITY on production of everything they are tasked to make.

 Keep in mind that it's NOT just AMD having shortages - NVidia has been getting hammered on the GTX 1070 and GTX 1060 as well (and some small indirect effect on the GTX 1080 probably more due to gamers having to "move up" from the unavailable 1070s than to miners buying a lot of THOSE cards).

 The irritating part - the gamers keep blaming "miners" for the entire shortage, even though GAMERS are still probably managing to buy more of the "shortage" card models than miners are.

2658  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Launching the Antminer L3+, World's Most Powerful and Efficient Litecoin Miner on: August 10, 2017, 01:37:59 AM
WTF
SOLD OUT in 15 min?!  Huh

How many pieces of AntMiner L3+ does BitMain makes, anyway? Is that the reason why Bitmain is always out of stock? How could Bitmain went out of stock in 15 minutes? Is Bitmain a joke or something???

 Only Bitmain can answer that question for sure - but ONE BIG MINE putting in a big order could easily wipe out an entire batch.

 I'm still convinced the only reason Bitmain started making Scrypt and X11 miners is that they are finally seeing S9 unit sales slow down noticeably.

 BTW - at this point I'm estimating that the L3+ represents about 75% of all Scrypt hashrate (the A2/Titan/Alcheminer probably still own 12% or so, and I'd guess the A4 has managed to capture 13% or so).

 The "older miner" figure is pretty easy to figure, take the hashrate from before the L3 was announced, figure it's pretty much ALL still there as profitability exploded (and is STILL a ton higher) when Litecoin jumped, and the rest would be the share of the L3+ and A4 combined. Splitting the figures for THOSE two out is much more of a guess.

 If I have that share split figured correctly, Bitmain has sold ballpark 18000 L3+ units (well, perhaps 2000 L3 and 17000 L3+).

 If EVERY SINGLE MINER on Litecoin was a L3+ unit, that would be about 24000 units.

2659  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Electrical Question Please on: August 09, 2017, 08:46:15 PM
Depends on how the 3-phase feed is set up, between Delta Wye or that one wierd semi-Delta type setup nobody puts into new installations any more.

I've not worked directly with 3-phase in decades, so I don't remember exact details any more.

2660  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Any word on amd vega hash rates? on: August 09, 2017, 08:44:16 PM
Apparently there are works on dual vega gpu from ASUS (ARES III) /AMD something similar to R9 295X2 here some more info:

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1155851951182552&id=348409301926825

 AMD already announced a "Nano" version of the VEGA - but I think it was going to be based on the Vega 56 not the Vega 64.
 Would not be hard to do a dual version of that - perhaps that's what ASUS meant in it's announcement?



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